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Cole writes: "Corporate television news is repeating this shameful performance with regard to the revelations by Edward Snowden of massive, unconstitutional government surveillance of Americans' electronic communications."

David Gregory's attack on Glenn Greenwald is an example of how the media is acting as a government propaganda machine against Eric Snowden. (photo: Alex Wong/Getty Images)
David Gregory's attack on Glenn Greenwald is an example of how the media is acting as a government propaganda machine against Eric Snowden. (photo: Alex Wong/Getty Images)


Iraq Redux: Top Ten Ways TV Networks Are Screwing Us Again

By Juan Cole, Informed Comment

25 June 13

 

S television news is a danger to the security of the United States. First, it is so oriented to ratings that it cannot afford to do unpopular reports (thus, it ignored al-Qaeda and the Taliban for the most part before 9/11). Second, it is so oriented toward the halls of power inside the Beltway that it is unable to examine government allegations critically. US television news was an unrelieved cheering section for the launching of the illegal and disastrous Iraq War, which will end up costing the taxpayers many trillions of dollars, which seriously wounded 32,000 US military personnel (many of them will need help the rest of their lives), which left over 4000 soldiers, Marines and sailors dead, and which was responsible for the deaths of on the order of 300,000 Iraqis, the wounding of 1.2 million Iraqis, and the displacement from their homes of 4 million Iraqis (out of a then population of 26 million). In 2002 and 2003, Bush administration leakers and ex-generals led the television reporters and anchors by the nose. The corporations were all for the war, and they own the news. Where on-screen talent was unwilling to go along, such as Phil Donohue or Ashley Banfield, they were just fired.

Now, corporate television news is repeating this shameful performance with regard to the revelations by Edward Snowden of massive, unconstitutional government surveillance of Americans' electronic communications. The full failure to do proper journalism was on display on Sunday (when, unfortunately, critical voices such as Rachel Maddow are absent). Here are the propaganda techniques used to stack the deck on Sunday:

  1. Focus on the personality, location, and charges against the leaker instead of the substance of his revelations.

  2. Smear Snowden with ad hominem fallacies. His transit through Moscow was held up as a sign of disloyalty to the United States, as though nowadays American business people and government officials don't transit through Moscow all the time. The US ships significant amounts of military materiel for Afghanistan through Russia. Is that treasonous?

  3. Focus on politicians making empty threats against China and Russia for not being sufficiently obedient to the United States. The US can't do anything to either one that wouldn't hurt the US more than it did them.

  4. Ignore important breaking stories that impugn the government case. For instance, The Guardian broke the story Saturday morning that the NSA PRISM program was small compared to the TEMPORA program of GCHQ, its British counterpart, which Snowden alleged has attached sniffers to the fiber optic cables that stretch from New York to London, and is vacuuming up massive amounts of email and telephone conversations. A Lexis Nexis search in broadcast transcripts for Sunday showed that no US news broadcaster mentioned TEMPORA or GCHQ. This was true even though the NSA has 250 analysts assigned to TEMPORA and even though that program sweeps up and stores exactly the kind of material (telephone calls, emails) that President Obama denied were being collected.

  5. Skew the guest list. Television news interviewed Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI), Rep. Peter King (R-NY), Rep. Ilena Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY), and a gaggle of retired FBI and CIA figures. All of them without exception were cheerleaders for the Iraq War. Glenn Greenwald was virtually the only voice allowed on the other side. He was cut short on CNN and was at a disadvantage on television because he was on the phone from Rio. Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR), Al Gore, Steve Wozniak, Pierre Omidyar, and a whole host of figures supportive of Snowden having told us what is going on were not invited on the air to balance the hard liners interviewed.

  6. Accuse journalists of treason for reporting Snowden's revelations. This was the absolutely shameful tack taken by David Gregory on Meet The Press, when he asked Greenwald, "To the extent that you have aided and abetted Snowden, even in his current movements, why shouldn't you, Mr. Greenwald, be charged with a crime?" The "to the extent" and "aided and abetted" language isn't journalism it is shilling for the most despicable elements in Congress (and that is way over on the despicable scale).

  7. Ignore past government misuse of classified information. Television news has studiedly avoided referring to Dick Cheney's outing of Valerie Plame as a CIA field officer (and therefore outing of all the CIA field officers who used the same dummy corporation as she did as a cover,as well as all local informants known to be connected to that dummy corporation). Television anchors seem to think that the government is always trying to 'protect' us and is on the side of the angels, and sidestep the question of whether secret information can be used for private or shady policy purposes. Plame, by the way, is warning about the intelligence-industrial complex.

  8. Continually allege or allow guests to allege that Snowden could have taken his concerns to the NSA or to Congress internally. None of his predecessors had any luck with that approach. Even sitting senators of the United States of America like Ron Wyden have been muzzled and cannot conduct a public debate on these abuses.

  9. No one on television has discussed how many of the 850,000 analysts with access to secret databases containing your information work for private corporations such as Booz Allen Hamilton. That is, they aren't even government employees. And, how much lobbying do these intelligence contractors do of Congress?

  10. Focus the discussion on the alleged criminality of Snowden's disclosures instead of on the obvious lawlessness of programs such as Tempora, which sweep up vast amounts of personal information on private individuals and store them in data bases. As Noam Chomsky has said, the way to distract the public in a democracy is to allow more and more vigorous debate about a more and more narrow set of issues. By narrowing the debate to "how illegal were Snowden's actions?" instead of allowing the question, "how legal are the NSA's actions," the US mass media give the impression of debating both sides of a controversy while in fact suppressing large numbers of pertinent questions.
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+87 # She Cee 2013-06-25 22:33
Instead of praising whistle-blowers for exposing the wrong doings of the U.S. government, people like Bradley Manning and Ed Snowdon are vilified and threatened with long prison sentences.

So, we ask, what is the government hiding that it doesn't want the public to know? How many crimes is our government committing that it is so fearful of disclosing?

Why is Obama now asking people to spy on their co-workers and their reading material or life difficulties, implying that these things could cause these things to make them into terrorists?

Sounds to me like Nazi Germany where children were encouraged to report their parents and neighbors were encouraged to spy on their neighbors. Mr. Obama, with your glib tongue and lovely promises, are you our Fuhrer?

Our freedoms are fast disappearing under a shroud of secrecy by our government.
 
 
+2 # angry 2013-06-26 05:54
First, at this point the government is doing exactly the correct thing. Condone Snowden and everybody will come out. They have no choice (at the moment!!!).

But critically, why are we voters not seeing this government power play for what it is. We HAVE secrets because the Fat Cats in defense manufacturing (and private contractors) love it, and they share their profits with the politicians that made it all happen.

As Thoreau wrote, "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking the root." Our corrupt political system.
 
 
0 # kumquat 2013-06-28 12:55
angry!!!
The gov't is NOT doing the right thing. They are preparing to disenfranchise humanity again.... or they would not have to hide what they are up to. This is precicely the WORST thing for real democracy loving journalists to do UNLESS they are 100% in collusion with the traitors in gov't. Bloomberg and the rest steals via emminent domain and are selling our nation out from under us and stealing everything that belongs to the citizens NOT to any benfit to the people by selling it for pennies to their fatcat pals... How anyone can say this is necessary displays the very same blindness displayed by our American SHEEPLE!!! You claim to see the gov't power play but you think they have no choice??? You need a LOT harder look at our history and read where the constitution tells us it is our duty as mericans to expose and resist and force teansapartency. .. that was working fine until the 1% started buying up the media, fo the point where almost no MSM carries anything they should if they were REAL constitution-lo ving citizens... but they are all bought and afraid to lose those huge paychecks.....
 
 
+7 # aitengri 2013-06-26 11:28
[quote name="She Cee": Why is Obama now asking people to spy on their co-workers and their reading material or life difficulties, implying that these things could cause these things to make them into terrorists?

Actually, I'd appreciate a reference for this specific statement. If actually embedded in the public record, it surely will be the main "underscore" for this entire national issue. Im not "challenging" She Cee, but seeking hard data.

Thanks
 
 
+2 # Diane_Wilkinson_Trefethen_aka_tref 2013-06-26 16:01
How ironic that this bit of info comes to us from the generally liberal McClatchy News but is being spread by the ultraconservati ve news sites like newsmax.com

Reference:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/20/194513/obamas-crackdown-views-leaks-as.html

Here are some quotes from McClatchy's Washington bureau story:

"It emphasizes leaks of classified material, but catchall definitions of 'insider threat' give agencies latitude to pursue and penalize a range of other conduct.

"Government documents reviewed by McClatchy illustrate how some agencies are using that latitude to pursue unauthorized disclosures of any information, not just classified material. They also show how millions of federal employees and contractors must watch for 'high-risk persons or behaviors' among co-workers and could face penalties, including criminal charges, for failing to report them. Leaks to the media are equated with espionage.

“'Hammer this fact home . . . leaking is tantamount to aiding the enemies of the United States,' says a June 1, 2012, Defense Department strategy for the program that was obtained by McClatchy.

"The Defense Department anti-leak strategy obtained by McClatchy spells out a zero-tolerance policy... Employees must turn themselves and others in for failing to report breaches. ‘Penalize clearly identifiable failures to report security infractions and violations, including any lack of self-reporting, ’ the strategic plan says.”
 
 
+2 # Kimberly999 2013-06-28 08:14
Too bad this wasn't a concern when Cheney pushed Scooter to out Valerie Plame.
 
 
+2 # kumquat 2013-06-28 13:05
Aitengri:
If you want to know about the policy of asking people to spy on each other, all you have to do is go to a search engine and find out..... or you could just listen to the TV and speeches from the GOP... that isif you have missed all the public service anouncements .. if you see somethjing say sonmething.... if you think you hear something say something... I can't remember names (bet the info is on the web tho...) but I have definitely heard some of them talk about teaching these things to young kids who would have no idea that they might get their parents in a lot of trouble..over a misunderstood word or a failure to recognize satire and simple dumping what irks you so you can go have some fun... heaven forbid you make a joke around those MENTALLY AND MORALLY diseased HLS people have NO sense of humor so they are like unfeeling killer robots... sick stuff... we need a lot more whistleblowers and no more secret anything!!!!!!
 
 
+4 # Nick Reynolds 2013-06-26 12:42
Quoting She Cee:

So, we ask, what is the government hiding that it doesn't want the public to know? How many crimes is our government committing that it is so fearful of disclosing?


What all this insanity goes back to, 911, and who really did it. And it wasn't 19 Arabs with box cutters.
 
 
0 # kumquat 2013-06-28 13:41
Nick:
his stuff goes back WAY farther than the 9/11 false flag. Some elements of the 1% have been trying to take over the government from the first… Read War Is A Racket by General Smedley Butler. He was an enforcer for American business… and knew all the dirt first hand. When the Scot Browns, Kissingers, Roves, Cheneys and ALWAYS you find Bush family members [doing crooked stuff like aiding germany through both WWs- read Trading With The Enemy to fully understand that mindset] of his day approached him to help stage a military coup and TAKE America from FDR, our elected leader, he went along, gathering enough evidence to go to blow the whittle, hang them AND stop them dead in their tracks.These days there are so many lies being pushed…you have got to read more and more, especially Howard Zinn's history of the US... You want to go as close to all sources as you can get and don't trust recent articles…. unless you can verify the info from several INDEPENDENT sources. Never trust a texas schoolbook… they keep rewriting history so they can use LIES TO TRICK FOLKS INTO BELIEVING WHAT THEY HEAR FROM MEDIA INSTEAD OF USING THEIR BRAINS TO THINK WITH…… Gee, what a novel idea…Go here and take a look at his other books/reviews. They are very carefully researched and you will find it is all true…http://www.amazon.com/Hostage-History-Cyprus-Ottomans-Kissinger/dp/1859841899
Have a good one….
 
 
+75 # Deboldt 2013-06-25 22:36
Do not be fooled by our rulers' statements to the effect that they are protecting us from traitors and other enemies, domestic and foreign. The only goal of the War on Terror and the security measures they say are for our benefit are 1. To ensure our imperial full spectrum dominance abroad and 2. To render our citizens too poor, uninformed, fearful and enslaved to question anything they do.
 
 
+15 # Malcolm 2013-06-26 09:23
Quoting Deboldt:
Do not be fooled by our rulers' statements to the effect that they are protecting us from traitors and other enemies, domestic and foreign. The only goal of the War on Terror and the security measures they say are for our benefit are 1. To ensure our imperial full spectrum dominance abroad and 2. To render our citizens too poor, uninformed, fearful and enslaved to question anything they do.


3. To continued enrichment and empowerment of the pupetteers.
 
 
+59 # DPM 2013-06-25 22:42
"The News" has just become another ratings based "reality show". I haven't, intentionally, listened in years and encourage others to turn it off. Though, it does pay to know your enemy.
 
 
+12 # Joe Bob 2013-06-25 23:31
Knowing the enemy and watching his propaganda nightly are two different things. Most who watch, don't know.
 
 
+8 # indian weaver 2013-06-26 07:50
You will not know your enemy with the corporate news. Like so many of us, we read Truthout, RSN, Al-Jazeera, Salon.com, and Manchester Guardian World News. Other unbiased sources exist as well. Some of them have affiliations with governments such as Al-Jazeera, and R/T, but are still less biased than CNN, ABC, CBS, NBS, NPR and PBS (public broadcasting seems to be headed to bias) & FOX.
 
 
0 # DPM 2013-06-26 12:32
If you know they are the "enemy" and listen, you should have enough sense to see their lies and be able to counter them in others. If you know better and are so weak willed as to fall for that stuff, you aren't bright enough to fight it anyway.
 
 
+1 # kumquat 2013-06-28 13:55
It is a huge mistake not to watch the independent journalists who are not afraid to do what any knowledgible American citizen ought to be doing if they value what we had before the ReaganBush administration laid out their plans for a bloodless, hard to notice total coupe of this nation. There ARE real investigative, REAL patriotic Amer9icans all over the place, but they never get heard... but we hAVE A FINE CROP OF TRUTH TELLERS AND PLOT UNCOVERERS... if you have a TV you shouldn't miss them... the Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schults and Lawrence O'Donnell and Cenk Uygar (sp?).. also the cable channels RT television- Formerly russian TV, Al Jazeera English and they are all fund online and on You tube as well...There's a lot of reliable journalism... You can be informed if you do the work... it's a lot of work though... it's worth it...
 
 
+17 # ligonlaw 2013-06-25 23:10
Many years ago, the news division of major networks operated as a public service. There was a proud tradition of independent thought and a commitment to integrity at the core of print and broadcast journalism. Sadly, the corporate media has become concentrated in the hands of the few. Murdoch's media empire reaches 75 percent of the human race through its papers, magazines, radio and television. Rupert Murdoch could not be a worse choice for such power and control. One of America's oldest and most successful corporations, GE, makes bombs, manages the news, and pays no taxes on its billions in profits. David Gregory will never report on any scandal that arises out of his parent corporation. It is a shame, but it is the world of giant, multinationals in charge of every word that comes out of David Gregory's mouth. If he does not do their bidding, another corporate stooge will take his place.
 
 
+10 # DaveM 2013-06-25 23:14
When the trains beginning running to the camps, the news will tell you to simply turn up the volume if the noise interferes with your "freedom".

Haven't you people seen this before, even if only in old movies? Americans are dying, more are going to die, the very idea of America is on life support. Have they come for your neighbors yet? Have they come for you?
 
 
+11 # Malcolm 2013-06-26 09:32
Quoting DaveM:
When the trains beginning running to the camps, the news will tell you to simply turn up the volume if the noise interferes with your "freedom".

Haven't you people seen this before, even if only in old movies? Americans are dying, more are going to die, the very idea of America is on life support. Have they come for your neighbors yet? Have they come for you?


I keep hearing suckers claiming, "if you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to fear"

I wonder if the Nazis got people to believe that?
 
 
+11 # Caliban 2013-06-25 23:29
Regarding item # 7: it was Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff Scooter Libby who was tried and convicted in 2007 for outing Valerie Plame. The modest 30 month jail time part of his sentence was commuted by President Bush.
 
 
+3 # FDRva 2013-06-25 23:31
True enough.

What a pity, though, that so many RSN contributors ratified the Corporate Media's choice for President.

I would have admired promotion of a non-Wall Street Dem candidate by RSN.

Unfortunately, since they lacked even a Don Quixote progressive alternative, most Dem voters went with the 'Il Duce' incumbent.

None of Obama's fascist tendencies merited much attention from Progressive quarters--befor e November.

(Oops, shouldn't have said that since the President claims the right to assassinate even American citizens on American soil.)

I won't drone on, since we all now know the NSA is listening.
 
 
0 # Malcolm 2013-06-26 09:36
Quoting FDRva:
True enough.

What a pity, though, that so many RSN contributors ratified the Corporate Media's choice for President.

I would have admired promotion of a non-Wall Street Dem candidate by RSN.

Unfortunately, since they lacked even a Don Quixote progressive alternative, most Dem voters went with the 'Il Duce' incumbent.

None of Obama's fascist tendencies merited much attention from Progressive quarters--before November.

(Oops, shouldn't have said that since the President claims the right to assassinate even American citizens on American soil.)

I won't drone on, since we all now know the NSA is listening.


I hope you didn't get as much scorn from YOUR friends as I did, for NOT supporting obombya. Got real ugly it did.
 
 
-1 # Nominae 2013-06-27 01:04
Quoting Malcolm:


I hope you didn't get as much scorn from YOUR friends as I did, for NOT supporting obombya. Got real ugly it did.


Not that I bothered choosing one evil over the other, Malcolm, but just a quick note: if you received ANY "scorn", indeed ANY static from your "friends" over your right to think for yourself, and to stand up with the courage of your OWN convictions, then you did not "lose" ANY *REAL* FRIENDS !

All you "lost" was were acquaintances who wanted to USE YOU as yet another warm body in their Echo Chamber Choir reinforcing all of THEIR beliefs. That, in exchange for PRETENDING to care about you as an autonomous human being.

If they *now* seek to PUNISH YOU for "abandoning" the CHOIR, this gaggle of geese is not worth giving the time of day. This abandonment, or even "strain" is PROOF that they were simply USING YOU. They cared not one flat damn about YOU as PERSON, or they would have supported your right to follow your mind, and admired the fact that you were willing to stand up to be counted, whether your self-examinatio n led you to mimic THEIR thoughts or NOT !

I would rather live out the rest of my life in TOTAL isolation than to Hang with PHONY Bullsh*t CONDITIONAL "friends".

These kinds of people should creep you out right up along side of used cars salesmen and IRS lawyers.

Phony ba*tards CANNOT be counted among REAL friends.
Ever ! Carefully watched acquaintances, maybe, but not actual Friends.
 
 
0 # Malcolm 2013-06-27 10:34
I appreciate your comment, NOMINAE, but man, you really should mellow out!

My friends, like me, like you,feels strongly about many things. I cannot expect them to agree with me on everything. If i did, I wouldcertainly would live in isolation.

Isn't it better to accept that there are different views on most issues, that we all reach different levels of understanding at different rates, and isn't it better to keep your friends-even those with opposing views-because we can all learn from each other?

Honestly, what has bugged me the most is the dad-gum Democratic Party of Josephine County, Oregon.

Several of us have resigned our offices there, because the nearly unanimous votes kept going against taking ANY stand on such things as the Iraq invasion, among others. They've totally lost my respect, as they obviously care more about getting "their" DEMOCRAT candidates elected than they care about taking a moral stand.
 
 
0 # kumquat 2013-06-28 14:23
Malcolm:
At this point we are trying to break the GOP/KOCH/SCOTUS /MONOPOLY,STRAN GLEHOLD ON OUR constitution, rights and liberties.. and need to get the hard core GOP out of office so we can start doing things that will help us AND WANTS TO WORK WITH COLLEAGUES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISLE TO FIX WHAT WEALTH HAS DONE TO US, NEARLY BREAKING UP THE USA...I don't know why can't control the keys better.. all the extra caps are about how badly I can see...desperate ly need new glasses.. many pardons...
 
 
0 # kumquat 2013-06-28 14:15
I got really vicious abuse and threats from several of my LIFELONG friends because I was against the war and all the lies we could tell the admin was telling were so easy to disprove... It is very good to have real life friends in different countries because they let you know what is being hidden from Americans....si nce Iraq was no threat on any level I knew what we would do because we have done it to so many countries already.
 
 
+14 # Billsy 2013-06-25 23:33
Outstanding points and a reminder of why TV news hasn't really mattered (to those truly desiring to be well-informed) since the mid 1970s. Most network newspeople are so enthralled and indebted to power elites for the crumbs of access they toss their way, they are much to fearful to expose them to meaningful scrutiny or assertively challenge their authority. Nor do they expose lies & hypocrisy where it is so easily revealed. For that one has to go to Jon Stewart's outstanding "Daily Show" on comedy central, a comedy program for crissake. "Meet the Press" is little more than inside the beltway mental masturbation. This is an article to share widely with your friends & family.

Encourage friends to tune in to Amy Goodman's "Democracy Now" to see everything they're missing on network & cable news.
 
 
0 # kumquat 2013-06-28 14:07
What she does is well done, but there is an awful lot she won't touch. Amy steers away from anything that will get her funding cut off.. she does not do the most important informing, just foreign far from here stuff... if you want really hard hitting, truth to power information there are a lot of places to go...and you can find a LOT on youtube or bing or on the TV! RT tv, Al Jazeera English, Chris Hayes,.. there are good sources....the young turks on youtube....
 
 
+4 # curmudgeon 2013-06-25 23:47
Amerika, Amerika, über alles

Says it all

 
 
0 # kumquat 2013-06-28 14:09
That is not US citizens!!! That is our crooked politicians, banks, etc.... doing exactly whatever we DON"T want as quickly and sneakilly as possible....
 
 
+6 # FDRva 2013-06-25 23:56
Whoa--is this the same David Gregory--who at an important point in the 2008 Democratic race--pimped for the Obama campaign--by accusing Hillary Clinton of 'pimping out' her daughter Chelsea to make a few campaign appearances. Hmm.

Maybe your kind of journalism is the world's oldest profession, David...
 
 
0 # kumquat 2013-06-28 14:36
I guess you didn't see the following blurb under his picture at the beginning of this item. Here it is...

"David Gregory's attack on Glenn Greenwald is an example of how the media is acting as a government propaganda machine against Eric Snowden. (photo: Alex Wong/Getty Images)"
 
 
+14 # Milarepa 2013-06-26 01:20
Indeed, SheCee, under Hitler, Germany was a cesspool of informers and internal spying. After the war came the East German Stasi. Now the US has taken the same road to hell. Historically, there have always been courageous individuals like Manning, Assange, Snowden, Ellsberg et al. Many have not fared well. It's truly embarrassing to have a US Secretary of State berate Russia for 'harboring a fugitive'. Manning has been tortured for years. Tough as he is he has survived. The same treatment would be given to Assange or Snowden if they were caught. It's disgusting, truly gut-wrenchingly disgusting. What kind of bums are these Harvard suits and so-called constitutional lawyers, like Obama? A shabby bunch of nobodies!!! Don't get me going on this ... If Putin gives Snowden safe passage, more power to him, I don't care how ugly Putin is or how nasty. Official US has descended to the level of screeching fighting cocks, not an ounce of intelligence or discernment left.
 
 
+11 # James Klimaski 2013-06-26 03:21
Who is David Gregory? What is this Meet the Press show? Has it ever had any relevance? I thought it was just part of the Government's public relations arm. The first time Mr. Gregory puts on a guest that challenges the conventional wisdom, it will be his last show. I find Sunday morning with a cup of coffee reading the Washington Post Comics on the front porch to be much more enlightening.
 
 
+2 # Malcolm 2013-06-26 10:00
Quoting James Klimaski:
Who is David Gregory? What is this Meet the Press show? Has it ever had any relevance? I thought it was just part of the Government's public relations arm. The first time Mr. Gregory puts on a guest that challenges the conventional wisdom, it will be his last show. I find Sunday morning with a cup of coffee reading the Washington Post Comics on the front porch to be much more enlightening.


My boon toob broke in 1973, so I don't 'do" Tv. I confess that I sometimes watch meet the press nonlinear, however.

I think its a really good source of info and ideas, for the most part. David Gregory's attack on Greenwald/ Snowden, on the other hand, seriously impacts my confidence in the program. Dammit.
 
 
+11 # Artemis 2013-06-26 03:29
There are many more basic questions that should be asked, including: What is this "war on terror"? Isn't it just an invention that the general public accepts without asking whether there was any sense to it in the first place? A term made up madmen who are eager to wage war on countries that have done nothing to harm America or American citizens?
Most other countries look on the term with a sense of bafflement and even disgust.
 
 
0 # Malcolm 2013-06-26 10:02
There never has been a war on Terror. But if obambya continues with his Bush Heavy reign of terror around the world why, maybe an actual war on terror will really exist.
 
 
0 # kumquat 2013-06-28 14:58
What we have done to Iraq is a prime example of terrorism.. I like to call it imperial wars of aggression, pillage and rape. Meanwhile on the home front, we are re~learning what a war profiteer is and how many people they will remorselessly kill just to puta few more ducats in their pockets.. and how they impoverish citizens so they can build more toys of destruction to play with....ughhhhh
 
 
0 # kumquat 2013-06-28 14:53
Artemis... That is not really true... many of us have been asking that and a growing pile of questions since VIETNAM.... the GOV"T Is REFUSING TO ANSWER and pours lies over us with their pet media, corrupt politicians and international money to buy elections with. Maybe it hasn't happened to people you personally know yet... but people are getting jailed for insanely stupid reasons....... There's a teen in jail with HLS demanding a ten year sentence for threatening the safety of America. What really happened.. he was playing computer games with their fancy threats and pretentious flowery language... part of the fun of the game... went asomething like this...when the other player threatened his men he said.. arggg. Then I'll go shoot up some little kids and eat them...muahahah a... LOL...just kiddin.... anyone who has spent time listening to kids play vid games will be familiar with such back and forth chatter... Some lady saw the game and got angry and reported him... ONE person says something and you can go to jail for 1o years??? This does not even resemble the america I grew up in. Anyone my age is scared by what's going on... and any younger folks with brains are out there fighting for us now that the geezers are too creaky to stand in the street and be pepper sprayed...
 
 
+6 # fdawei 2013-06-26 03:44
This is another repugnant government that performs acts that are so heinous they would qualify to be heard and tried at the International Court in the Hague.

Shame on the American government, their commander in chief (a former Constitutional Lawyer) and his minions, including mainstream media, who support his fascist attacks on the citizens of the world.
 
 
0 # kumquat 2013-06-28 15:10
fdawei:

That was established practice before this President ate his first birthday cake....
You talk as if this wasn't carefully created and potected by a few previous ultra rightwing administrations . THIS INCARNATION OF THE RICH TRYING TO PERMANENTLY steal America from it's people!!! This isn't new at all and it ain't democratic or progressive in any way....
We just thought we had overcome backwards ignorance based on racial and religious hatreds.... done by the right to the left. None of these crazy shooters were liberal, progressive or anything but rightwing conservatives who are also crazy as hell.
 
 
+7 # marniedove 2013-06-26 05:19
Do you suppose there's any connection with David Gregory being Liz Cheney's neighbor?
 
 
+5 # walt 2013-06-26 06:38
A clear case of the corporate powers of the world running the show once again.

The real concern needs to be that it is the corporate world, not government, that is collecting data and using it to their advantage. Last time I checked, corporations were in the business of making profit. Yes, and at our expense!
 
 
+7 # fredboy 2013-06-26 07:22
The TV networks are now simply government and Wall Street conduits. Sam Donaldson must be barking about this--I miss his ass-kicking approach to the president.
 
 
+3 # Nominae 2013-06-27 01:22
Quoting fredboy:
The TV networks are now simply government and Wall Street conduits. Sam Donaldson must be barking about this--I miss his ass-kicking approach to the president.


The "elites" mothball people like Sam anymore. Remember the way the pansies at the Bush White House couldn't even stand up to HELEN THOMAS ? They BANNED her from the White House Press corps. Talk about CHICKENSH*T ! Right in FRONT of the world ! Scared of a little old lady.

And well they MIGHT have been. Helen Thomas has PUBLICLY taken Presidents MUCH BRIGHTER than W "out behind the proverbial woodshed" on National Television more than ONCE.
Clinton was savvy enough to just give Helen the FIRST question, take his "medicine", so he could shuck and jive AFTER that with impunity.

Bush/Chaney knew better than to so much as TRY to "take Thomas on". She would have CREAMED them !

HOWEVER, it was also a HOWLINGLY clear message to any OTHER reporter who DID want to "play along" on the White House Press Corps. If they will can a National Treasure like Helen Thomas, how long do you think YOU will last if you don't "sing along" ?

Thugs. Thugs with no PRETENSE at "class". Thugs who confuse viciousness and barbarity with "STRENGTH" ! And then that smooth and urbane Obama comes along to do even WORSE than the Thugs, but all the while speaking in the soft voice, and petting the public with the Velvet Glove. It WORKS, people, which is why the puppet masters KEPT him in place in 2008.
 
 
0 # Malcolm 2013-06-27 10:31
I appreciate your comment, NOMINAE, but man, you really should mellow out!

My friends, like me, like you,feels strongly about many things. I cannot expect them to agree with me on everything. If i did, I wouldcertainly would live in isolation.

Isn't it better to accept that there are different views on most issues, that we all reach different levels of understanding at different rates, and isn't it better to keep your friends-even those with opposing views-because we can all learn from each other?

Honestly, what has bugged me the most is the dad-gum Democratic Party of Josephine County, Oregon.

Several of us have resigned our offices there, because the VAST majority of votes went against taking ANY stand on such things as the Iraq invasion, among others. They've totally lost my respect, as they obviously care more about getting "their" DEMOCRAT candidates elected than they care about taking a moral stand.
 
 
+1 # Depressionborn 2013-06-26 07:33
Ignorance is bliss?

Just since Jan. 1, 2013, ABC, CBS and NBC morning and evening news programs have aired 92 stories about “climate change” or “global warming.” Not a single one of those stories mentioned the “warming plateau” reported even by The New York Times on June 10. The Times wrote, “The rise in the surface temperature of earth has been markedly slower over the last 15 years than in the 20 years before that. And that lull in warming has occurred even as greenhouse gases have accumulated in the atmosphere at a record pace.”
 
 
-7 # Malcolm 2013-06-26 10:06
Quoting Depressionborn:
Ignorance is bliss?

Just since Jan. 1, 2013, ABC, CBS and NBC morning and evening news programs have aired 92 stories about “climate change” or “global warming.” Not a single one of those stories mentioned the “warming plateau” reported even by The New York Times on June 10. The Times wrote, “The rise in the surface temperature of earth has been markedly slower over the last 15 years than in the 20 years before that. And that lull in warming has occurred even as greenhouse gases have accumulated in the atmosphere at a record pace.”


Seems like climate change is mass hysteria., furled by Al Gorecet al.
 
 
+1 # Depressionborn 2013-06-26 15:11
Yes Malcolm, thanks, But:

The hysteria is not going away. It began with a phony warming, now it's "climate change", that will morph into cooling. Soros and Media Matters will say so.
All to scare us into more taxing and big finance "carbon credit" profits.
 
 
0 # Malcolm 2013-06-27 10:32
Quoting Depressionborn:
Yes Malcolm, thanks, But:

The hysteria is not going away. It began with a phony warming, now it's "climate change", that will morph into cooling. Soros and Media Matters will say so.
All to scare us into more taxing and big finance "carbon credit" profits.


Good call. let me add: "Amerikanische Staatsbürger geworfen unter den Bus"

I had to use a translation program, so-in case it's wrong, i was trying to say "American Citizens get thrown under the bus"

"unter", nicht "über"Quoting Depressionborn:
Yes Malcolm, thanks, But:

The hysteria is not going away. It began with a phony warming, now it's "climate change", that will morph into cooling. Soros and Media Matters will say so.
All to scare us into more taxing and big finance "carbon credit" profits.


You are absolutely correct. Fortunately for these scammers, We the Sheople will believe any lie, if it gets repeated enough.
 
 
+1 # kumquat 2013-06-28 15:18
The details are not the issue.. the reality of what is happening is...The ice is still melting at a frightening rate and the sea is still rising and you need to do better research because climate has been changing all over the world for years.. Island people with the water up past their knees are finally starting to be rescued and taken to drier place... Forget the details which you won't need to rememeber anyhow.. and stick to what you SEE happening right in your face.
 
 
+5 # Maturus 2013-06-26 07:38
Whether modern journalists know of Kipling's Elephant Child, I know not, but they obviously lack the integrity to live up to its ideal even if, in mitigation, they blame their network masters. There is an unhealthy obsession in this country with 'solving' events rather than reporting them in their entirety and then commenting on them. Much of this 'solving' makes use of information, obtained under 'right to know', which is presented in a prurient and ghoulish manner even though its disclosure is to the detriment of justice on all levels.
As regards not mentioning the TEMPORA program, it is simply another example of something that is happening in that little place called 'TheRestOfTheWo rld' which rarely gets mentioned on US television. A child falling in a puddle in Shickshinny,PA will make the 'news' but widespread flooding in India with 600+ known dead will never be mentioned.
Since WW2 the US has had the opportunity to lead the world but doesn't seem to know what leadership means. It does not mean to dominate through fear; fear simply gives rise to resentment and resistance and we know where that has led. Choosing what some other country/people/ religion should do is not leadership, it is domination. The USA cannot build prestige for itself as prestige is given freely by others in recognition of something better than what they have already. The challenge for the US is to show the world that it does have something better, not simply bigger.
 
 
+5 # oakes721 2013-06-26 08:05
"On the sex o'clock evening noose: Updating our continuing snow job on Edward Snowden's un-American spying... Moron G.W. Bush comments at eleven..."
 
 
+8 # Skeeziks 2013-06-26 08:37
Sorry forefathers. You tried, but we are really screwing over your ideals...and ourselves.
 
 
+5 # HowardMH 2013-06-26 08:49
Obama the Wimp has prosecuted more whistle blowers than ALL previous administrations put together.

Just try to go though legal channels in this administration to identify wrong doing and you will be prosecuted.

He is a Wimp and everything he does demonstrates that he is running scared of Wall Street and Big Corporations. The Main Stream Media just continues to suck up to him because they don’t have what it takes to be real journalists and report the real truth.
 
 
-3 # Malcolm 2013-06-26 10:08
Quoting HowardMH:
Obama the Wimp has prosecuted more whistle blowers than ALL previous administrations put together.

Just try to go though legal channels in this administration to identify wrong doing and you will be prosecuted.

He is a Wimp and everything he does demonstrates that he is running scared of Wall Street and Big Corporations. The Main Stream Media just continues to suck up to him because they don’t have what it takes to be real journalists and report the real truth.


Way more than just a wimp. Most wimps don't start murdering innocent people
 
 
+3 # tswhiskers 2013-06-26 08:56
I am SO grateful for MSNBC. There is no better new outlet on TV, incl. PBS. The 3 evening news programs on MSNBC cover almost everything that matters at the moment; their coverage of politics is esp. honest. PBS is hampered by it's insistence on "even-handed" coverage to the point that altho we get both sides of the issue, one wonders if we always get the truth of it. The media have been biased like this at least since the Bush II Admin. Clearly corporate ownership of media is not good for democracy, but I doubt anyone in the media really cares. At the national level I suspect everyone is paid so well that reporters are afraid to complain about the control exercised over them. Money is always the best way to squelch honest outrage or protest. I always point to Dan Rather, with his multi-million dollar paycheck at CBS, who towed the company line carefully until he was fired as the perfect example of today's finest journalists. Now that he is independent of the networks he's as honest a reporter as one could ask for; but that paycheck kept him hobbled to reporting what his owners wanted for years. That alone, is, I think, is the reason for our mediocre news coverage today.
 
 
+6 # 6thextinction 2013-06-26 11:02
You'll find more truth on Comedy Central's Daily Show with Jon Stewart and The Colbert Report than MSNBC. Get news online and watch those, and you'll realize you can get rid of your TV. Trust me, you won't miss it after about 2 weeks, and wish you'd done it decades ago in about 2 months.
 
 
0 # Feral Dogz 2013-06-27 09:35
Quoting 6thextinction:
You'll find more truth on Comedy Central's Daily Show with Jon Stewart and The Colbert Report than MSNBC. Get news online and watch those, and you'll realize you can get rid of your TV. Trust me, you won't miss it after about 2 weeks, and wish you'd done it decades ago in about 2 months.


Remember the '60s? That's when I and a few others realized that TV was nothing more than a non-stop advertizement for materialism and endless war. Capitalism is a disease that depends upon the cooperation of it's victims and TV is the medium that recruits and maintains a steady supply of victims. For a better future, kill your TV.
 
 
0 # kumquat 2013-06-28 15:44
Play of The Week, Omnibus, Hallmark Playhouse, Playhouse 90, Your Show of Shows, Ernie Kivaks, Steve Allen, George and Gracie, Sgt Bilko, Walter Cronkite ... so many GREAT shows and real theater too... You may be too young to know what early TV was like... I'd love to have it back.... and the 60's? Weren't you glued to every episode of SNL like the rest of us??? My point is that early TV was about producing quality for the masses. Back then no one minded if you got your basics.. reading writing and arithmetic, etc... Now they are afraid of letting us read and think.. that always scares the skin off them...
 
 
0 # kumquat 2013-06-28 15:34
Not 100% true anymore ... there are now several honest news sources... on cable and online.. Al Jazzeera English, The Young Turks, All In with Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz,... if you truly want them you can find them... I am not giving up Sherlock Holmes, Downton Abbey and Doc Martin just because you can't find the news you want.... I say you can, but only if you want to.. You sound like you are done w/ the boobtube . we'll both be happy... but you can find a lot of good news from the combative left on there.
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+6 # Michael_K 2013-06-26 10:01
David Gregory? Oh yeah.. the monkey-faced newsreader who perpetrated some facsimile of dancing with Karl Rove! That idiot! But the point is well taken. Let's not have newsreaders masquerade as journalists, it's embarrassing for them and annoying to everyone else.
 
 
+3 # jwb110 2013-06-26 10:06
There is no truth in news and no news in truth.
 
 
+2 # David Starr 2013-06-26 13:42
Cole says it all correctly. However, this isn't a new phenomenon with the U.S. media.

"Yellow journalism," among other tactics, has had an ideological ebb and flow within the media over the years. Now, we have more than a flow. We have a "tidal wave."
 
 
+1 # jayjay 2013-06-26 15:20
Well,well,well, looks like we are now under the thumb of an administration that gives a secret court the right to make secret interpretations of secret rules. Talk about the Drone Ranger's transparency claims! And the lily-livered members of the Senate "Intelligence" Committee, (with Wyden excepted) fawn over these fascist methods claiming they really are in place to "protect us." Yeah, protect us from the truth.
 
 
0 # kumquat 2013-06-28 15:50
jayjay..

you are naive if you think this hasn't been going on under every administrations since WWII. If Kennedy had gone along w/ the 1% he would not have been assassinated, but he was trying to the right thing, trying to help the people..... THAT seriously bothered the war profiteers who wanted to keep raking that cash in. He was the last pres not to be beholden to rich right wing wealth.
 
 
+1 # MsAnnaNOLA 2013-06-26 17:06
And censoring Russ Tice the first NSA whistle blower.

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/21/msnbc-censors-nsa-whistleblower-russ-tice-minutes-before-interview/

You must read Sibels blog she is rooting out the truth where ever it takes her.
 
 
+1 # Nominae 2013-06-27 01:27
Quoting MsAnnaNOLA:
And censoring Russ Tice the first NSA whistle blower.

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/21/msnbc-censors-nsa-whistleblower-russ-tice-minutes-before-interview/

You must read Sibels blog she is rooting out the truth where ever it takes her.


Just so it doesn't take her to Highland Drive in L.A. at four o'clock in the morning !
 
 
0 # kumquat 2013-06-28 15:55
This is why we need whistleblowers. .. anything so dangerous no one can know about it is CRIMINAL, vile, dangerous to all living things or will hurt us worse than we can possibly imagine!!! WE kill a lot of truth tellers....land of the free my FAT *(^&$#%^*...
 
 
+4 # rockieball 2013-06-27 08:28
It comes as no surprise to me. After all the major news are owned an operated by Conservative Corporations, Murdoch, Disney Corp. Plus the worlds biggest arms dealer GE. The media has ignored responsible reporting ever since Reagan (That AH again) deregulated the airwaves and we ended up wit the likes of Fox and people like Rush, Beck, Savage.
They went to great length to paint the occupy people as law breakers, while holding up the Banks and Wall Street as responsible people trying to help the economy as they funnel money into their own pockets.
 
 
+3 # Buddha 2013-06-27 09:28
The first step towards an Oligarchic Police State is to control sources of media.
 
 
+2 # Innocent Victim 2013-06-27 19:27
Just rid yourself of your TV(s). There are better sources of news on the net, RSN, for one. Others, independent sources of news, analysis, and commentary are available. TV entertainment is moribund. The TV "news" is propaganda. Toss it out! Cut their ratings. Cut their income!
 
 
0 # Oracle 2013-06-28 16:32
You want proof that you live in a democratic society that provides you with a Bill of Rights and free speech? Go back and read the roll call of remarks on this page!
The vitriolic remarks, name calling, lack of historical knowledge, stupidity is all here. The idea that you are being personally persecuted by the "government" and by journalists represents the height of absurdity. As for Meet the Press and David Gregory, he is a respected journalist entitled to question other journalists about their work. As a journalist I resent the outlandish statements expressed by people who have the slightest idea of journalism and what it is supposed to do. Separate fact from fiction and goofy assertions and gossip. That's our job and that's what we do.
Sorry if it offends your sensibilities. If you are so rankled by your country and government, you have options.
 

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