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Excerpt: "It has been 10 long years since 'Shock and Awe' - the opening bombardment of Baghdad - lit up the skies above the Tigris. A decade later, we know far more about the case the Bush administration made to the world to justify its war of choice to overthrow Saddam Hussein."

Valerie Plame and husband Joseph Wilson, July 2003. (photo: Getty Images)
Valerie Plame and husband Joseph Wilson, July 2003. (photo: Getty Images)


Why We Bought Bush's Lies

By Valerie Plame Wilson and Joe Wilson, Guardian UK

02 March 13

 

We knew WMD intelligence was flawed, but there was a larger failure of officials, media and public to halt the neocon juggernaut.

t has been 10 long years since "Shock and Awe" - the opening bombardment of Baghdad - lit up the skies above the Tigris. A decade later, we know far more about the case the Bush administration made to the world to justify its war of choice to overthrow Saddam Hussein. Books like Hubris by David Corn and Michael Isikoff, and British commission and US Senate reports have catalogued the extent to which intelligence was misused to mislead the public.

Yet, even as the intervening period has brought profound change for the United States and its role in the world, have we learned the lessons of that disastrous period? And what were those lessons?

For nearly a year prior to the invasion, President Bush and his administration peppered the airwaves with serious accusations against Saddam Hussein, including claims of aluminum tubes that could be used in centrifuges to enrich uranium, and of Iraqi efforts to purchase uranium yellowcake from Africa. The intelligence supporting the claims was either not believed or was highly disputed by the experts. But that did not stop senior government officials from repeating them incessantly; nor did it prevent the powerful neoconservative ideologues who were the war's most fervent supporters from parroting them with menacingly jingoistic passion.

Who can forget the trademark line, delivered by Condoleezza Rice:

We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.

As a covert CIA operations officer working frantically in the months before the war to find and verify hard intelligence about Iraq's presumed WMD program, Valerie was keenly interested in watching Secretary of State Colin Powell address the United Nations on 6 February 2003. His reputation and service to the United States was stellar, and he was viewed as the lone moderate inside what many others considered to be a hawkish cabinet.

As Valerie watched the speech unfold on TV from CIA headquarters that morning, she experienced what can only be described as "cognitive dissonance". It became clear, as Powell laid out the case for war (with CIA Director George Tenet sitting conspicuously just behind the secretary's right shoulder), that his robust claims about the state of Iraqi WMD simply did not match the intelligence which she had worked on daily for months.

Powell's claim from a discredited defector code-named "Curveball" on Iraq's biological weapons capability was particularly alarming. Valerie knew that "Curveball" had been deemed a "fabricator" by the agency, meaning that none of his intelligence could be believed.

The implications suddenly become obvious: we were watching a kabuki play and the outcome was predetermined. The Bush administration was determined to go to war, however bad the intelligence, and not even Secretary of State Powell was going to stand in the way.

Joe, too, watched Powell's speech, wondering whether the secretary would repeat the statement, first made by President Bush in his state of the union address several days earlier , that "the British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." At the request of the CIA, Joe had investigated that claim in February 2002, as it pertained to Niger and had reported back to the agency that there was no evidence to support the charge. Tellingly, Colin Powell made no mention at the UN of any Iraqi effort to seek uranium, either from Niger or anywhere else in Africa.

Rumors of a Niger-Iraq uranium deal had first surfaced in Rome in 2001, as documents purporting to be related to the sale of 500 metric tonnes of yellowcake (a lightly refined uranium ore) circulated in intelligence circles and among journalists. Those documents were later found to be forgeries, but by the time the charge made its way into the president's speech, it had already been largely discounted by both the State Department and the CIA. The agency's director told the White House three times not to use the claim because the CIA believed it to be false.

The now infamous 16 words made it into the state of the union speech only by agreement between the White House and the CIA to attribute the charge to the British government, which had published such a claim in its "White Paper" on Iraq, in September 2002. Unfortunately, as then Foreign Secretary Jack Straw testified to the House of Commons foreign affairs select committee in June 2003, the British claim had been based on separate intelligence from the forged documents, and that the British had not shared their intelligence with the US government.

In sum, we are left to believe that a significant part of President Bush's case for war was based on intelligence that neither he nor his intelligence officials had even seen. The declassification of several documents in recent years, and a US Senate investigation report published in 2008 conclude that there was far closer collusion between the Bush and Blair administrations than the Straw testimony suggests. Yet, the British government to this day continues to stand behind its "separate intelligence" - which it has yet to make public.

The Powell address to the UN and the Niger-Iraq saga are but two examples of the efforts of the Bush administration to manipulate intelligence to support its political objectives and the lengths to which it went to secure support for its war. As former White House press secretary Scott McClellan put it:

"Bush and his White House were engaging in a carefully orchestrated campaign to shape and manipulate sources of public approval to our advantage."

That it was so successful is an indictment of a corrupt administration. But it is also emblematic of the failure of the checks and balances that are the hallmark of our democracy. As Obama appointees John Kerry and Chuck Hagel can attest, the US Congress was ineffective, to say the least, in the exercise of its oversight responsibilities. (The same applies to the UK Parliament.) The Washington press corps was dilatory in its investigative reporting - valuing access and cozy relationships with senior officials above the search for truth; ultimately, the media served as lapdogs rather than watchdogs.

And the public, still reeling from 911 and whipped up by the fear-mongering since, instinctively trusted its leaders. Given the full force and power of the administration's efforts to sell the war, it is no wonder that nearly 60% of Americans were in favor of the invasion in the early part of 2003.

Not surprisingly, that figure has flipped, with nearly 60% of Americans now saying that the Iraq war was a mistake; more than 70% of the British public agree. We owe it to ourselves and to our partners in the "coalition of the willing" to confront the fact that, when it mattered a decade ago, our Congress, our press, and we as citizens were not vigilant enough in holding our government to account for its statements and actions.

We did not do nearly enough to prevent this tragedy perpetrated on Iraq, on the world, and on ourselves.


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+213 # kyzipster 2013-03-02 10:16
One of the most damning pieces of evidence of treason that came after the war had started was from an interview by a journalist of Dick Armey, Republican House Majority Leader. He stated that Cheney lied to him in private about WMDs and that this conversation persuaded him to support the war. He also claimed that without this conversation, he might have been willing and able to persuade the House to vote against the war.

The Democrats were given the opportunity to pursue justice after it became apparent to the majority of voters that Iraq was a horrific mistake. They failed miserably.

I heard a conservative Constitutional scholar make a case that prosecuting high crimes or pursuing impeachment wasn't even necessary. Congress could easily have censured the President and Vice President. There is plenty of evidence that laws were broken. Refusing to take this action could allow another President to take the same failed course. Hopefully history will judge the facts since Congress couldn't even give us a proper investigation.
 
 
+54 # WestWinds 2013-03-02 14:34
>>>Refusing to take this action could allow another President to take the same failed course.
 
 
+74 # gzuckier 2013-03-02 21:56
Quoting WestWinds:
>>>Refusing to take this action could allow another President to take the same failed course.

And that is precisely why it's going to be swept under the rug. The last thing most politicians and party officials want is to set a precedent of being held accountable for their deeds.
 
 
+19 # Nominae 2013-03-04 05:24
Quoting gzuckier:
........ And that is precisely why it's going to be swept under the rug. The last thing most politicians and party officials want is to set a precedent of being held accountable for their deeds.


Swept under the rug INDEED ! Of course. And equally predictably, LIES upon LIES. Again, of course. But why lies ?

I have a quote here from everyone's favorite Teddy Bear on the subject of governments and lies that I would like to "submit for your consideration", as Rod Serling used to say:

"Of course the people don't want war. But, after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy.

Whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to do the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and for exposing the country to greater danger.

~ Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg Trials.

Sound familiar ? "Smoking Guns", "Mushroom Clouds", "WMD" etc ? "Patriots and non-patriots" ? "You are either with us, or with the terrorists"? "Freedom Fries" ?

At least our "leaders" are studying at the feet of those having, shall we say, "field experience".
 
 
+1 # Pickwicky 2013-03-05 18:46
All of which raises the question: How the hell do you tell the difference between a 'good' country and a 'bad' country?
 
 
0 # tedrey 2013-03-10 10:07
Legitimacy, transparency, and accountability.
 
 
+42 # tabonsell 2013-03-02 19:50
Having an administration prosecuting people from the previous administration would be a bad precedent to establish because it would only set off a cycle of unwarranted prosecutions. Remember the impeachment of Bill Clinton – unauthorized by guidelines set out in the Federalist Papers – was payback for a near-prosecutio n of Richard Nixon, which was authorized by the Founding Fathers.

The proper course – and one ignored by the present administration – was to gather all the evidence of crimes by the Bush cabal and make that available to the World Court or a foreign jurisdiction if they wanted to prosecute.

We would be free from vicious reprisals by our politicians and bona-fide criminals could still be held accountable.
 
 
+19 # kyzipster 2013-03-02 23:07
That is why censure would have been a good solution, there wasn't even an investigation.
 
 
+8 # universlman 2013-03-03 17:09
[quote name="tabonsell "]gather all the evidence of crimes by the Bush cabal . .

As Congress got it wrong in the first place, why are people daydreaming about them getting it right in the second? Censure would be a hollow gesture anyway and probably not seen as corrective given the divided and dysfunctional style of government we enjoy these days. The checks don’t balance and the majority doesn’t rule here anymore.

Fixing the main problem with our two parties is probably more urgent than trying to repair any of the damage they are causing, including fixing the blame for leading us into another pointless war.
 
 
+9 # kyzipster 2013-03-04 08:00
I personally think an all out investigation for impeachment was in order and would have been good for the country. However, it was interesting to hear a conservative make this case since even the Democrats in Washington seemed to believe that a criminal investigation was not desirable.

I don't think censure would have been a hollow gesture. An investigation would have made the evidence official, there would have been testimony on record, it could have ensured that history is written more accurately and might have have made a future president think twice before taking the same course. As it is, we only have the record as it played out in the media.
 
 
+7 # kbarrand 2013-03-04 10:53
Perhaps the reason for not impeaching Bush was that a successful impeachment would have brought us President Cheney. As bad as Bush was, Cheney would have been much worse.
 
 
+6 # randrjwr 2013-03-05 10:14
Quoting kbarrand:
Perhaps the reason for not impeaching Bush was that a successful impeachment would have brought us President Cheney. As bad as Bush was, Cheney would have been much worse.


Sure he was, and he should have been impeached too, at the same time. Setting a precedent for accountability would be bad (as another writer claims)? The precedent for non-accountabil ity that we have now is much worse.
 
 
0 # Groenhagen 2014-05-26 19:54
Do you also believe the Obama administration should have gathered all the evidence of crimes by the Bill Clinton cabal? After all, as late as January 2001 the Clinton admin said that Saddam had WMD and, thus, was "a clear and present danger at all times."

The policy of "extraordinary rendition" also began on Clinton's watch. In addition, Michael Scheuer, who headed the CIA's bin Laden unit, says that torture took place during the Clinton years.
 
 
+48 # Douglas Jack 2013-03-02 20:49
Isolating Iraq as the only wrong war denies our indoctrination on Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iran as well as another 75 countries in which US, Canadian, NATO & Israeli distelligence agencies are actively arming dissidents. We're typically arming dysfunctional violent psychopaths of our own creation such as Al CIAda because we make a killing off of war. War is our livelihood to the tune of 40% of our economies or 60% in Israel. We're cowards in our daily lives trying to dominate each other in our families, communities & workplaces, refusing to engage each other 'dialectically' ('hearing both sides') https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/both-sides-now-equal-time-recorded-dialogues
What we owe the world in war reparations for all the wars which have been our subsistence for 400 years is one million times any wealth we have been able to steal. While none of us can snap our fingers & heal an insane economic & political system, all of us can live simply in solidarity with the whole world upon which we are inter-dependent .
 
 
+3 # kyzipster 2013-03-02 23:16
That's silly to accuse someone of 'isolating' the Iraq war as the only wrong war. You don't know where I stand on other wars from what I've posted.

We're responding to an article about lies that made the case to invade Iraq, not our long history of war.
 
 
+8 # Douglas Jack 2013-03-03 09:41
Thanks kyzipster, Your point is well taken. Not to say that the level of war making & cowardly aggression in so many countries with such damaging weaponry & economic warfare in our time by our NATO alliance is something else again, never ramped-up to this level before in human history.
 
 
0 # bmiluski 2013-03-04 11:04
Well, you know what they say.....Boys will be boys.
 
 
+3 # Pickwicky 2013-03-05 18:51
Yes, war is our livelihood. But as the German person on the street denied the genocide going on in the camps, Americans deny the US thrives on inventing, manufacturing, selling, and using War Engines.
 
 
+26 # Michael Lee Bugg 2013-03-03 01:35
There are three reasons that I knew before the March 19, 2003 invasion that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, particularly nuclear weapons. First, the inspectors that Clinton kicked out of Iraq in 1996 were certain they had destroyed all of Iraq's significant weapons, and then Clinton ordered a three day bombing campaign of all the sites Saddam had forbidden the inspectors to enter. Then, as if the was not enough, the inspectors that Bush reluctantly agreed to and Saddam welcomed did not find anything anywhere just as Saddam had said. I recall that Bush then publicly changed his justification to the simple demand that Saddam had to leave his own country just because Bush thought he was an "Evildoer"! Second, when some active and retired generals publicly warned that 130,000 troops were not enough to invade and secure Iraq, Rumsfeld told them to "shut up, it will be a cakewalk"! What more did any rational person need to know that our President Ahab was ordering an invasion for multiple reasons, none of which included real WMD or our security?! Third, if Bush & Company truly believed that Saddam had WMD, including nuclear weapons, why would they mass 130,000 of our troops across Iraq's border in Kuwait where they would be sitting ducks? Because they knew there were no WMD and no chance of the political problem of wholesale slaughter of our troops! When a few Congressmen dared to object, Rummy said we had all those troops there ready so we had to invade!
 
 
+1 # TedG 2013-03-03 18:08
Michael,
What you're saying makes good sense as far as it goes. But consider this possibility. What if George W. Bush thought of himself as doing something heroic for the Iraqi people? I think that's actually how he said he understood it. Someone said "your father didn't overthrow Saddam," and he said, "but I'm answering the call of a higher father." He actually believed God told him to overthrow Saddam. If that's true, all those rational considerations- -such as the one you mention at the end about making 130,000 troops vulnerable in Kuwait--become irrelevant. While I don't believe that his primary reason for invading Iraq was WMD's, I think he may have thought there was a good chance we'd find them. The point is, he thought God wanted him to bring regime change there, and the threat of possible WMD's was just a convenient pretext for whipping up public opinion in favor of it.
 
 
+11 # mjc 2013-03-04 08:47
"God" turned out to Dick Cheney, Bush's puppet master.
 
 
+4 # mdhome 2013-03-05 08:09
Given what the US did to Iraq, I can understand why Iran feels the need to have a nuclear bomb to keep US from doing the same to them. We have created a monster of a PR problem as well as 5-6 thousand dead Americans and over 50,000 wounded, some with horrific disabilities that we will be paying for for the next 80 years.
 
 
-68 # indian weaver 2013-03-02 10:25
Enough already. We all know this stuff. Time for civil war, not b.s. ancient snooze newz like this article, a repeat of 100 prior articles.
 
 
+96 # wantrealdemocracy 2013-03-02 10:57
Yes, we know this already but the point to be made is that NOTHING HAS CHANGED. Obama continues all of the Bush policies of bombing the shit out of Arab nations, and he has UPPED the ANTI. Just last Thursday we were informed that the United States is involved in the war in Syria. We knew the CIA was there but now it is out in the open and is anyone complaining? Here we are facing massive cuts in our domestic programs and we are spewing money at the War Gods. It is indeed time for a rebellion of the people of this sorry nation. We need to park ourselves around every federal building in the nation and shut it down! We need to work together to plan a government that will be a democracy and will be a just and equitable government that heeds to voice of the people of this nation. We need to kick every single person now in Congress out and start over---before it is too late and we are all serfs in a barren land.
 
 
+93 # WestWinds 2013-03-02 14:08
I wouldn't kick ALL of them out. There are some good ones like Warren, Merkley, Sanders, Grayson; and we need to get Kucinich back!

We also need to have a good look at these state governors that are being run by ALEC and get them the heck out!
 
 
+59 # AMLLLLL 2013-03-02 15:51
Don't forget Rep. Barbara Lee on that list; the only one to vote against going into Afghanistan.
 
 
-3 # E-Mon 2013-03-03 03:02
Don't forget Ron Paul.
 
 
+6 # Cassandra2012 2013-03-04 18:22
Quoting E-Mon:
Don't forget Ron Paul.


You mean the guy who is all for less government, except when it comes to legislating women's bodies? That Ron Paul?
 
 
+71 # tedrey 2013-03-02 11:25
No, no, no. Plan for whatever civil war you think necessary, but never stop hammering on the facts. People have to understand before they will act. People forget and get distracted, or enter the citienry. If we stop pushing on any front, we go backwards.
 
 
+108 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2013-03-02 12:03
On the contrary, the neocons are trying to re-write the Iraq war history, just like they're attempting to do to the history of the Vietnam War. Online political comment boards are rife with comments from rightwingers about how "the Dems were just as eager to go to war," never admitting it was BECAUSE they were purposefully fed lies and distortions, and the truth was kept from them.

We should NEVER — EVER — stop reminding the rightwing just how wrong they were, how wrong they are and how wrong they are continuing to be. We've been hearing their predictions of doom and gloom about social progress. We keep hearing their lies about science. We keep hearing their lies about what will happen if we don't invade Iran. But history proves they've never been correct, yet they never learn because they insist on re-writing history to suit their ideology. The world needs to be reminded — over and over — that the rightwing has never been right.
 
 
+34 # unocelestial 2013-03-02 13:59
I means nothing to you that 4500 young soldiers we killed do to his liar war?
 
 
+8 # Ray Kondrasuk 2013-03-02 23:31
More than 6000 coalition deaths, military and contractors, due to his illegal war.
 
 
+11 # mim 2013-03-03 22:03
And let's not forget the civilian deaths.
 
 
+43 # WestWinds 2013-03-02 14:15
I don't know about "civil war" but it is certainly time for some serious civil disobedience and sitting down on the chocks. My suggestion is to look up your local chapter of Occupy and get trained up for the loggerhead that is surely on the way; we need to know what to do and how to properly handle those who will be sent in to seem like Occupiers but who will actually only be there to make sure that Occupiers are cast as "Terrorists" which will give officials the toe-hold they are looking for to destroy our mechanism of message (since they are pointedly not paying attention to We the People,) and to gain some kind of "moral high ground" with which to continue to lie, cheat, steal and murder.
 
 
+34 # goodsensecynic 2013-03-02 14:38
Actually "we" don't know this already, unless "we" are a pretty small proportion of the public and totally unfit to contemplate, never mind carry out, a "civil war."

What's worse, many of those who don't believe that the Iraq War II was justified don't believe anything the government says (no matter what the topic is and who sits in the Oval Office, and many others don't think they need to believe it because they don't care about the details as long as they have someone to hate.

Constant repetition (especially by the likes of Valerie and Joe) might one day penetrate the extraordinarily thick skulls of most Americans (who still can't find Iraq on a map!). And it might worry those who are deathly afraid of Iran, North Korea, Venezuela and possibly Quebec.

We don't need such people to become expert or even compentent in questions of foreign policy. It would be enough if they could turn their heads away from NASCAR and "The Biggest Loser" to grasp the fact - not that they're being deceived again, but that they've been deceived all along and the process continues.

Only when a small murmur of discontent is heard from a marginally informed electorate will Congress (and the President) change their collective mind, and then not by much ... but as Max Weber said: Politics is like drilling into a hard board with a soft drill. It's worth the effort, disappointment is likely, but "civil war"? The US tried it oncer and got 100 years of segregation.
 
 
+8 # Michael Lee Bugg 2013-03-03 11:37
Indianweaver, maybe all the people who read RSN may know this, but most Americans, especially those under 30, don't know this. Just like most of history it bears repeating so that we "never forget"! Besides, idiot right-wingers think Benghazi is some kind of national tragedy that has been swept under the rug when it is no comparison to 9-11 or the unjustified invasion of Iraq!
 
 
-58 # moafu@yahoo.com 2013-03-02 11:03
The Authors write:
"two examples of the efforts of the Bush administration to manipulate intelligence to support its political objectives".

If you eliminate the word "Bush" and insert "Obama" for the Benghazi and Fast & Furious issues......you say the same thing !!
Shameful on both sides !

Someday.....one one the public will react....read "The Revolt of the Masses" by Gasset. It's a strong caution.

Heaven Help us.
 
 
+28 # unocelestial 2013-03-02 14:01
4500 of our soldiers killed in IRAQ and 3000 killed 9/11/2001, where he was warned.
 
 
+22 # gzuckier 2013-03-02 21:59
and I hear a few Iraqis were possibly injured as well.
 
 
+16 # geraldom 2013-03-02 23:42
Quoting gzuckier:
and I hear a few Iraqis were possibly injured as well.


and based on a scientific survey by the John Hopkins Institute in 2007 while the war in Iraq was still going hot and strong, they came up with approximately 1400 thousand innocent Iraqis, men, women, and children dead as a result of an illegal invasion of their country by the U.S. under George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Now imagine the Iraq war continuing on into 2011, 4 years more, and try to figure out how many more innocent Iraqis, men, women, and children, must have died on top of the earlier 1400 thousand figure.

Innocent Iraqis continue to die today as a result of infighting between the Shia and the Suni, not to mention the number of Iraqis dying as a result of the massive amount of Depleted Uranium (DU) used by the U.S. to saturate the Iraqi countryside via the use of massive bombing raids as well as all of the miscarriages, stillborn and deformed births caused by the use of these DU weapons.

In Vietnam we poisoned the country with agent orange as a going away gift which is still affecting the Vietnamese population even today with a large number of birth defects and stillborn babies. In both Iraq and Afghanistan, in place of agent orange, we used DU instead and DU has a half-life of billions of years.

Both the Iraqis and Afghans have a lot to look forward to, don't they, even if the U.S. were to leave them completely alone?
 
 
-14 # WestWinds 2013-03-02 14:36
#moafu@yahoo.com:
You had a plus 2 vote count. I clicked on it to give you a 3 and the counter registered a NEGATIVE TWENTY!!!
 
 
+10 # dyannne 2013-03-02 15:13
Counter *always* works for me. YOU LIE.
 
 
+14 # kalpal 2013-03-02 16:25
i suspect that MOAFU is an acolyte of GW Bush. Lies, lies and more lies are the tools needed to achieve losses of American lives in Iraq and elsewhere.
 
 
+3 # bmiluski 2013-03-04 11:09
Maybe there's a "delay" and it just caught up when you happen to click. The counter always works for me.
 
 
+20 # kalpal 2013-03-02 16:23
So Bush's lies and their cost in American lives, blood and treasure are offset by your fanatical hatred of Obama?
 
 
+13 # gzuckier 2013-03-02 21:54
Uh, not that Benghazi or Fast&Furious are anything to be proud of, but I don't see how they are examples of the Obama administration' s efforts to "manipulate intelligence to support its political objectives".
 
 
+6 # Michael Lee Bugg 2013-03-03 12:08
Moafu, even if you are right that Obama is hiding criminal negligence regarding 'Fast & Furious' or Benghazi, which you are NOT, these two mistakes in no way compare to Bush's willful criminal negligence prior to 9-11 or his baldfaced lies he and his ASSociates told to get us into the unjustified and costly invasion and occupation of Iraq - which only proved Usama bin Laden's point about our treatment of Islamic people!
 
 
+1 # Pickwicky 2013-03-05 18:56
moaf--please remember that getting your news from Fox or talk radio is what helped Republicans lose the election.
 
 
+55 # mjc 2013-03-02 11:10
There is probably NO political or governmental leader that could really defend their lack of action or interest in reality, Democrat or Republican, following 2001. The experience of 9/11 weighed heavily on everyone. There were some analysts, mostly reporters, who put question up about how 9/11 happened but the mainstream media dealt with those questions as if they were intemperate, anti-Bush/Chene y statements and not worthy of too much investigation. Like many here I lived through those days and even without the lies and false demonstrations of the Bush administration the events leading up to 9/11 were very compelling, such that it became impossible to believe our government on just about any subject. But not having any political influence or responsibilitie s made pounding on the doors of a Congressman or Senator with the message the only viable response. Today, Colin Powell sounds more like a liberal than he did in 2001 and Condoleezza Rice a moderate Republican. But still not sure if they or any of the other members of the Bush administration would admit openly that our war in Iraq was a war of choice, not necessity, or that the conduct of the war and the outcome anything but a success. Valerie Plame Wilson and Joe Wilson were trashed by the media when they attempted to show the lies. Glad they are speaking out and easing some of the pain we as Americans felt about the Bush administration and the two wars of choice.
 
 
+129 # Working Class 2013-03-02 11:15
Two words, "War Crimes". The Bush Administration mudered perhaps hundreds of thousands of the people. Where is the outrage?
 
 
+79 # reiverpacific 2013-03-02 11:26
With the greatest and much-due respect Ms Plame, you should never speak for other people as in "Why WE bought Bush's lies" (unless speaking for only yourself and your beleaguered husband).
I personally, never bought Dimwit's strutting, clueless, puppet-of-Chene y/Rumsfeld, warmongering posturing for a second and I'm no Beltway insider.
Anybody who couldn't see through that crowd belongs in the redneck comedy club hall of shame.
 
 
+31 # glyde 2013-03-02 12:12
The "we" is our country as a whole.
 
 
+41 # Texas Aggie 2013-03-02 12:35
Unfortunately the redneck comedy club hall of shame is full to bursting with the majority of the American citizens. When Ms. Plame says "We," she means the majority of Americans. While many people didn't think it was a justified war, many more people did.
 
 
+30 # gzuckier 2013-03-02 21:52
Gosh no, if you quiz a Republican these days, none of them ever voted for Bush. In fact, they're starting to believe that Bush never was president, just one day Reagan was president and it was morning in America, and the next day they woke up and a Kenyan Muslim was in the White House and the socialist takeover was in place and the rest of the world was openly celebrating our decline.

Has anyone ever met a Republican who said "Gee, I was so wrong, I had a role in wrecking this country, I had better rethink my basic axioms"?
 
 
+2 # mim 2013-03-03 22:21
I've never met them, but I believe you can count Arianna Huffington, David Brock, and Jim Derych, author of "Confessions of a Former Dittohead."

I also have a liberal friend who was a Goldwaterite as a teenager, if that counts.
 
 
0 # mim 2013-03-03 22:27
I've never met them, but I believe you can count Arianna Huffington, David Brock, and Jim Derych, author of "Confessions of a Former Dittohead."

I also have a liberal friend who was a Goldwaterite as a teenager, if that counts.

One thing you have to give the right-wingers credit for: they accept converts from the other side.
 
 
+3 # bmiluski 2013-03-04 11:19
I think that's what infuriates me the most. The fact that not one single republican has ever apologized for what he/she had done to this country by voting for gwbush. Now they've begun blaming President Obama for the financial crisis and the decline of jobs in the private sector. WE CANNOT LET THEM DO THAT.
 
 
0 # Pickwicky 2013-03-05 19:02
gzuckier: Thanks for the laugh--very amusing sarcasm. Well done.
 
 
+5 # easter planet 2013-03-02 23:15
Exactly right - anyone who didn't see Dubya's worda as complete lies AS THEY CAME OUT OF HIS mouth was either stupid or a patriot. I will go one step further- watch again that first Dubya speech after the attack - what I SEE is someone experiencing the happiest day of his life, and trying his best to keep a serious face and not break out in a big grin. I saw that IMMEDIATELY as he was speaking, not ten years later...
 
 
-1 # mim 2013-03-03 22:37
"Stupid or a patriot" - So you think patriotism - real patriotism - is a bad thing? Tell that to Woody Guthrie ("This Land Is Your Land"), Phil Ochs ("Power and Glory"), Oscar Brand ("Something to Sing About"), Abel Meeropol ("The House I Live In"), or John Latouche ("Ballad for Americans").
 
 
+4 # bmiluski 2013-03-04 11:21
All you have to do is look at his face, in that school room, when he was being told that planes had crashed into the Twin Towers.
 
 
0 # Cassandra2012 2013-03-04 18:29
And that 'stunned deer' look he maintained for much of the time after 9/11!
 
 
0 # Pickwicky 2013-03-05 19:03
Aw, heck--I thought that "stunned deer" look was a put on, so no one would think he wet the bed.
 
 
0 # mim 2013-03-03 22:52
That's also a pet peeve of mine. Unless "we" includes the speaker, it's patronizing false solidarity, as if to say, "I know better than the rest of you guys, but I'll include myself among you just so you don't think I'm on my high horse, which, of course, I am."
 
 
+68 # tbcrawford 2013-03-02 11:32
It is always good to be reminded how easily the American public can be deceived. I believe Iran is the current target for our attempts to control the Middle East and access to oil. Our own horrific record in Iran does much to explain their animosity to US incursions in their area.
 
 
+121 # wendellwilliams 2013-03-02 11:33
We already know all of this.

The big question is why don't people talk about the real reason Bush invaded Iraq.

It clearly was to control all of the oil in the Middle East.

Now, if you sent your son off to die in Iraq thinking it was patriotic and found out later that you had been lied to by Bush and Cheney, wouldn't you want to see them in jail??

Where in hell is the OUTRAGE???

Wendell H. Williams
Former Democratic Nominee
U.S. Congress (ca.10)
 
 
+50 # jon 2013-03-02 12:32
"Now, if you sent your son off to die in Iraq thinking it was patriotic and found out later that you had been lied to by Bush and Cheney, wouldn't you want to see them in jail??
Where in hell is the OUTRAGE???"

It seems that most of the sad people that find themselves in those shoes will go along with the lie, rather than admit that they have been seriously "had".
 
 
+49 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2013-03-02 13:41
The reason people don't talk about the oil is that everyone already knows it — and knew it from the very beginning.

The biggest discussion at this point in time should be the complicity of the American press corps in the lies leading up to the war and the lack of any substantial prosecution for public leaders misleading the american public — because it's happening again with Iran.
 
 
+26 # goodsensecynic 2013-03-02 16:09
Yes, OIL was a big, big part of it; but, although I don't often take Freudian analysis seriously, I can't quite get it out of my head that George W. Bush (addict, C-student, Vietnam-era draft side-stepper, the only oilman in Texas who couldn't find any oil, holder of the Texas record for most authorized executions as Governor, and the baseball owner whose main contribution to the Texas Rangers was to trade away Sammy Sosa before anyone could even spell S-T-E-R-O-I-D) got all sweaty about killing alleged Iraqi "terrrists" because he had residual "daddy issues," and finally found a way to make a bigger splash (so to speak) than Bush 41 by decimating a country that only had WMD because the USA gave them to it way back when when Saddam Hussein was working closely with the CIA and following orders regarding Iran about the time that another trusted CIA asset named Osama bin-Laden had helped toss the dreaded Russians out of Kabul in order to establish the Taliban in the first place.

Complicated? Somewhat ... but understandable once "we" get wind of some of the facts? You betcha!
 
 
+2 # Cassandra2012 2013-03-04 18:31
Yes, and really didn't anyone who notice that the only bldg. the first small wave of troops protected was the oil ministry bldg., remember?
NOT the Baghdad museum!
 
 
+17 # goodsensecynic 2013-03-02 15:57
I have it on good authority that, somewhere in the bowels and entrails of the Pentagon, the State Dept., the Dept. of Defense or some other sewer of the War Bureaucracy, there is (or was) a faceless functionary to whom the "Bush-Cheney" junta owes an astonishing debt of gratitude.

It seems that the original code name for the Attack on Iraq was to be "Operation Iraqi Liberation," but this subterranean creature noted a problem and persuaded the higher powers to change it to "Operation Iraqi Freedom".

Had the slip been undetected, the result would have been:

Operation OIL!

Maybe that would have given "we" the people a clue ... or maybe not.
 
 
+14 # USADUDE 2013-03-02 19:03
goodsensecynic in fact "Operation Iraqi Liberation" was the original name of the invasion. I remember watching CNN and I was in shock and awe at how transparent that name was "OIL". It wasn't until a few days later that the name was changed. What's in a name, indeed.

One other reason we invaded Iraq, was that Osama Bin Laden and all Wahhabi Muslims were enraged that an army of infidels were guarding the holy lands of Mecca and Medina. We had to get our troops out of Saudi and fast. So we moved them north, for even more oil. Notice all these years later there are no USA troops in Saudi.coinseden ce? I think not.
 
 
+7 # gzuckier 2013-03-02 21:49
Sadly, no. Most people, if they sent their son off to die in Iraq thinking it was patriotic and found out later that they had been lied to by Bush and Cheney, wouldn't be able to face the sheer horror, and it would be unthinkable to them. Happens a lot.
 
 
+2 # Douglas Jack 2013-03-02 22:51
The invasion is more about facilitating the Zionist vision of a supposed 'Greater Israel'. They calculate that oil will pay for this ancient war, spread supposedly 'depleted' (actually enriched) uranium for the pleasure of disdain & revenge throughout Islamic nations wherever war gives them the excuse. 40% of US, Canada, NATO economy is based in armaments, munitions & security. Israel is 60%. We're simply afraid of truth. Afraid to engage each other in equal-time, recorded & published debate. Such nations of murderous cowards. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/both-sides-now-equal-time-recorded-dialogues
 
 
+3 # Rita Walpole Ague 2013-03-03 09:00
Well, wendellwilliams , there were those of us who were outraged, in 2003, about our being conned into more war for oil. Hells, bells, we who protested here in Colorado Springs (one of two cities in the world - the other being Athens, Greece, where peaceful protestors, including small kids, were tear gassed) got tortured (foreshadowing of things to come and get worse and worse, 'til today's POLICE STATE AIN'T GREAT m.o. is our fate).

U.S.= Land of the DUMB, and home of the NAIVE.
 
 
+4 # Nominae 2013-03-04 04:28
Quoting wendellwilliams:
....
Now, if you sent your son off to die in Iraq thinking it was patriotic and found out later that you had been lied to by Bush and Cheney, wouldn't you want to see them in jail??

Where in hell is the OUTRAGE???


The last time any parent KNEW why their sons/daughters were going off to ANY war was WWII.

We fought that Vietnam nightmare both over there and at home. Day after day, year upon year, decade follows decade, and yes ...... people begin to suffer "outrage fatigue".

Mostly because, since the people's outrage DID help to end the Vietnam War, the people's outrage has not been ALLOWED to have any OTHER effect whatsoever, ever since.

Now we have 40,000 people showing up to scream at an empty and deaf White House over environmental destruction by Oil Companies while the President makes HIS position clear by being OUT OF TOWN playing golf with a MAJOR OIL EXECUTIVE.

"Outrage" has been pretty effectively castrated. It is now fully impotent. "FREE SPEECH ZONES"? And people BUY that swill ?

Does no one remember that the ENTIRE LAND AREA within the boundaries of the United STATES is a "free speech zone", as guaranteed by the First Amendment ? No, they just submit to being herded into a fenced area where they can use bullhorns to scream at a concrete wall.

Ask the marvelous members of OWS whether or not "outrage" is still an effective strategy. They have long since graduated to more effective activities.
 
 
+41 # tswhiskers 2013-03-02 12:11
I was young when we got into the war in Vietnam. After years of riots, anti-government protesting and years of seeing politicians apparently helpless to stop the war(sorry, "police action"), I learned a very big lesson about war, namely that it is FAR easier to get into one than it is to get out of one. If I, a mere citizen, could understand this, why couldn't any politician, regardless of party, see it? Again, as in Vietnam, the problem was HUBRIS, i.e. the arrogant pride of politicians so ego-driven they couldn't even think to look at the ramifications of starting a war. Hubris will probably get us into future wars also. Since we don't have an adult Congress at this time, I fail to see how we could possibly prevent such stupid and wasteful wars. We are in bad shape and the economy is just 1 ring of the onion. Above all, right we desperately need working, responsible governments at all levels. Again, let me say WE THE PEOPLE are responsible for putting so many conservative wingnuts in govt. and we are bearing the pain of our stupidity. WE need to wise up and return to electing center right or left politicians to state and federal governments.
 
 
-102 # MidWest 2013-03-02 12:58
Joe Wilson is a documented liar, per his once anonymous editorial on "yellow cake." For him to decry anyone else as a liar reflects the sociopath that he is.
 
 
+33 # dyannne 2013-03-02 15:18
With all due respect, sir, are a dolt.
 
 
-37 # MidWest 2013-03-02 17:42
So he didn't lie in that editorial??? By the way, how do you call someone a dolt, "with all due respect"? Sarcasm? But do look into his editorial, what he said he did would violate the time space continuum. But that really doesn't matter to a committed Leftist; only the Kool-Aid does. (With all due respect)
 
 
+7 # Douglas Jack 2013-03-03 13:09
Midwest, Because Ambassador Joe Wilson publicly documents every step of his actions & thinking, for folks like yourself to pass whatever judgement pleases you, is rare. Joe & Valerie had the fortitude to standup to a death machine and be counted. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/9-right-to-bare-arms

It seems from your own fearful statements on these comment sections, that you have chosen a far less open, visible & brave path. Its far easier to criticize those who're taking constructive leadership in our world than to get down & contribute to a better world. When you are ready, your effort will be welcome.
 
 
+4 # bmiluski 2013-03-04 11:28
Factcheck.com

None of the new information suggests Iraq ever nailed down a deal to buy uranium, and the Senate report makes clear that US intelligence analysts have come to doubt whether Iraq was even trying to buy the stuff.
 
 
+44 # geraldom 2013-03-02 13:21
What I don't understand is why both Valerie Plame Wilson, a fmr CIA agent, & Joe Wilson, people who are supposed to be intelligent & who were royally screwed over & lied to (and about) by the Bush admin, will not properly investigate the events of 9/11 based on the massive physical, photographic & video evidence taken that day by the average citizen & news organizations, along with the testimony given by unbiased expert witnesses, & I mean witnesses that have absolutely no political connection to the Bush admin. Very little if any of the actual evidence supported the official BS story put out by the Bush admin.

Usually, in a court of law, if a witness is caught even lying once about the case at hand, that witness can no longer be trusted in any of their testimony, & Bush & Cheney were caught in so many lies, it's not funny. No govt agency, including the FBI, has ever shown the video of a 757 impacting the Pentagon & the debris on the ground in front of the Pentagon doesn't even come close to adding up to a 757.

The reason that I even bring this up is because virtually every thing that has occurred, both nationally & domestically, since the events of 9/11 that has hurt & damaged our country & our economy, & has caused the vast slaughter (genocide) of both innocent Afghans & Iraqis, including our plans to attack Iran and our expansion of violence into Africa, is all been justified by the events of 9/11 which was a false-flag event.
 
 
+48 # roger paul 2013-03-02 13:35
Ms Plame did a service for the country that took real guts, there is nothing wrong in pointing out this situation to the public again. Now the question is how do we get the perps to trial for crimes against humanity?
 
 
+65 # fredboy 2013-03-02 13:41
Bush showed Americans and the world how dumb and gullible most of us are. Set us back 50 years, and made us vulnerable forever.

In doing so, he and his regime also fractured our social fabric, dividing us through hatred and fear and resentment.

His administration will go down as the worst and most corrupt in our history.

And I'm still wondering who stole all that cash we airlifted into Bagdad during the first weeks of "shock and awe."
 
 
+4 # geraldom 2013-03-03 13:43
Quoting fredboy:
Bush showed Americans and the world how dumb and gullible most of us are. Set us back 50 years, and made us vulnerable forever.

In doing so, he and his regime also fractured our social fabric, dividing us through hatred and fear and resentment.

His administration will go down as the worst and most corrupt in our history.

And I'm still wondering who stole all that cash we airlifted into Bagdad during the first weeks of "shock and awe."


I would refer you to a documentary entitled "Iraq's Missing Billions." It's possible to view this documentary online. Enjoy!
 
 
+26 # corals33 2013-03-02 14:03
Iraq was not and is not a war, it is a premeditated invasion spearheaded by Britain and America.It was as obvious as the controlled demolition and the BBC reporting a building falling before it did.
It was as obvious as the contents in those buildings that contained enough evidence to jail half of the money hyenas in both Britain and the U.S.AS obvious as the share dealing that went on and as obvious as Mr Colon Powell's lies.Why are we still on this subject.Nothing will ever happen just like the Kennedys and MLK.
 
 
-17 # oakhill1863 2013-03-02 14:15
yeah, bush is a liar.

like gore didn't say just before the invasion not to do it so that the wmds wouldn't fall into the hands of terrorists when iraq became a failed state.

and, anyway, this type of lying--even if it were lies--has now been approved in every way and officially by our president, our former secretary of state, and the media. as we learned in benghazi, if you have re-election at stake, lie. for goodness sake, lie. after all, "what does it matter any more, what does it matter any more?"

if YOU think bush lied and is the liar of liars, go here and read, and then you will have the names of all his co-conspirators.

keevan d. morgan, esq., chicago
 
 
+2 # bmiluski 2013-03-04 11:31
ESQ......so you're a lawyer. Well that explains it.
 
 
+33 # chizables 2013-03-02 14:28
I am just an ordinary person who reads a lot, especially current news. I heard Bush, Cheney, Powell and Rice all speak about Iraq, and I knew they were lying. I KNEW for sure they were lying - based on all I had read. I had NO doubt.

So, if I knew, how could the media NOT have known? If I knew, how could the Democrats NOT have known? I blame the Democrats for the war. If they weren't so worried about being perceived as weak, they could have stopped this atrocity. But, as always, worried about their next elections, they voted for the war.

Spineless cowards. I don't know how they sleep at night - including former Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
 
 
+11 # geraldom 2013-03-02 17:53
Quoting chizables:
I am just an ordinary person who reads a lot, especially current news. I heard Bush, Cheney, Powell and Rice all speak about Iraq, and I knew they were lying. I KNEW for sure they were lying - based on all I had read. I had NO doubt.

So, if I knew, how could the media NOT have known? If I knew, how could the Democrats NOT have known? I blame the Democrats for the war. If they weren't so worried about being perceived as weak, they could have stopped this atrocity. But, as always, worried about their next elections, they voted for the war.

Spineless cowards. I don't know how they sleep at night - including former Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.


And they're suppose to be the opposition political party, the political party that is suppose to be there to protect us from the Republicans. If anything should frighten you to death, that lone fact should be it.

You also have to remember that the Democratic Party, specifically the Senate Democrats, allowed Bush to place well over 300+ extremist judges onto the federal bench, including two on SCOTUS, to virtually saturate the federal bench with very bad judges. And, let's not forget that the Democrats voted to support the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act and the updated FISA Bill under Bush, just to mention a few, and they have, along with the Republicans, voted to extend and enhance these very same Bills under the Obama administration.
 
 
0 # Cassandra2012 2013-03-04 18:41
Yes, and no. You forget, that to go against that war was to risk being labeled and excoriated as 'unpatriotic' after 9/11. And since Democrats were always being vilified by the Repugs as 'weak' and not 'hawkish' enough, the dems did the expedient/safe thing.
 
 
+2 # geraldom 2013-03-05 18:37
Quoting Cassandra2012:
Yes, and no. You forget, that to go against that war was to risk being labeled and excoriated as 'unpatriotic' after 9/11. And since Democrats were always being vilified by the Repugs as 'weak' and not 'hawkish' enough, the dems did the expedient/safe thing.


Which showed how truly weak they really were & still are. If the Dems were more like Sen. Paul Wellstone who had been assassinated by the Bush admin along with his whole family back in Sept of 2002, they would have done what the Senate Repubs have been doing & continue to do against Obama's federal court nominees, but for the right reasons, blocked all of G.W. Bush's judge nominees for the federal bench.

They would have also voted against the Patriot Act, the Mil Commissions Act, and the current version of the FISA Bill, and they would have voted against any extensions to these heinous Bills.

And, to add insult to injury, the Congressional Dems supported Obama's current version of the NDAA which allows Obama (and any future pres) to be prosecutor, judge, jury, & executioner, all in one, not just for non-U.S. citizens, but for U.S. citizens as well. When asked by a Repub Senator if drone attacks could be used here in the U.S. to murder U.S. citizens without any due process, John Brennan, a fmr Bush admin crony & Obama's choice for CIA Chief, refused to answer the question. Not even one of the Senate Dems bothered to ask John Brennan that question.
 
 
+14 # gzuckier 2013-03-02 21:44
Amen, amen, a-effin-men. Not just the Democrats, but the entire media establishment, including the "liberal press" as the Republicans put it, like the Washington Post and the NYTimes. What exactly do the reporters for these papers do, if I can smell the lies in my spare time?
 
 
+3 # bmiluski 2013-03-04 11:37
Since over 90% of our countries media outlets are owned by rupert murdock is it no surprise that had the media known about the lying, there was very little they could do. Having said that, I am still very ashamed of them and I applauded the people who booed and threw water on the media during gwbush's second inauguration parade.
 
 
+14 # RCW 2013-03-02 15:03
How the trial of the Cheney, Bush war criminals be initiated? There is indeed the outrage, but how is it to be energized?
 
 
+17 # Bella 2013-03-02 16:40
Begin with Plame & Wilson's treasonous abuse by the Bush administration, followed by a class action suit, crimes against America. I would bet the Occupy Wall St gang might want to join in, as well.
 
 
+5 # charsjcca 2013-03-02 17:35
True. But first the black budget must be revealed in its totality so that we have transparency. This charade has been going on for decades, continued by every administration.
 
 
+7 # oakhill1863 2013-03-02 15:42
if this site is going to slice out all link references in comments, then why have a comments section. sure, we it may be ok to cut out a link to the latest medical sensation or fake bank, but not to source material. my comment makes no sense without the link i gave to the great number of democrats, including clinton, gore, biden, and kerry, who asserted that saddam had wmds and demanded action against him.

if my posts don't make sense when i am non-sensical, that is one thing. when they make no sense because a blog will not allow a link to source material, then it's the blog that is non-sensical--o r at least we both are.

keevan d. morgan, esq., chicago
 
 
+7 # chizables 2013-03-02 19:34
Hey, keevan, they let Walt put a link in his comment. See below. Maybe you are doing something different than he. Don't give up - I would like to see the link to which you are referring.
 
 
+20 # Vegan_Girl 2013-03-02 16:14
We should start by applying public pressure to free Bradley Manning, and generally, protect and celebrate whistle-blowers . We need the truth for a functioning democracy.
 
 
0 # isafakir 2013-03-02 16:21
unfortunately obama and biden and holder are as guilty or guiltier in their contempt for the law and their obstructıon of justıce by refusıng lıterally to defend the constıtutıon and laws of the country and abettıng bush cheney rıce rumsfeld treason.
 
 
+12 # speedboy 2013-03-02 16:26
I have echoed your thoughts many times, Chizables, and the same holds true for Viet Nam and Afghanistan---t hey were never a threat to the USA. History will keep repeating as long as we keep voting for bloviating opportunists, who are concerned merely with holding office, rather than electing decent and honorable candidates, who will do what is best for all---not what is best for re-election!
 
 
+23 # Bella 2013-03-02 16:26
Valerie outed as a CIA operative by Cheney &Bush = Treason
Unprovoked war = Murder+Tragedy+ Tarnished US Reputation...
Halliburton (Cheney & Bush) & US oil companies profiting = Greed+ +
Cheney's Vendetta of Joseph Wilson = 1st Amendment Violation..
The list of deadly sins goes on...So the subject should not be why we bought Bush's lies, but why NO ACCOUNTABILITY? ! How about Valerie & her spouse sue Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Congress & WE THE PEOPLE join in a class action suit???
 
 
+12 # Sensible1 2013-03-02 16:35
No one will acknowledge that it was the United States who became the great deceiver, and responsible for hundreds of thousands of innocent deaths; not Saddam Hussein, a terrible dictator. In fact, Saddam, as it turns out, was telling the truth. What was done, was to lay a blanket of mistrust over our country's leadership, and gives credence with purpose to all of the world's conspiracy theorists, that, yes, the U. S. is capable of more evil wrongdoing that was ever thought possible.
 
 
+20 # Jaycie 2013-03-02 17:14
There will NEVER be enough articles, enough discussion, enough publicity until these war criminals are held responsible for their actions. As it is, Dick Cneney ticks along with his replacement "heart", and he and all the other guilty are out there enjoying life while more than 4500 are dead (many thousands more if you count innocent Iraquis) and thousands of the maimed are left struggling to try and piece their lives back together. This is as obscene as it gets, and we should never give up until the guilty are brought to justive!
 
 
+13 # walt 2013-03-02 17:28
Isn't it time Americans demanded the facts about the lies told to invade Iraq?

http://signon.org/sign/investigation-into-the.fb23?source=c.fb&r_by=34999
 
 
+6 # charsjcca 2013-03-02 17:33
Just think. You had Daniel Ellsberg's work to benefit from. No excuses.
 
 
+14 # billhabedank 2013-03-02 17:57
Before the Iraq invasion there were hundreds of thousands of Americans on the streets protesting (including me) the lies that were leading us to war.
We are still being lied to and the lies are even more offensive because of who is telling the lies now when we expected real change.
If you are so outraged, why are you people not still in the streets protesting these lies? I am but it is lonely out there. Numbers definitely matter.
 
 
+4 # Activista 2013-03-02 19:14
Why We Bought Bush's Lies .. the same reason we are buying Obama/Clinton Lies about IRAN.
USA-Israeli PROPAGANDA MACHINE -
The big question is why don't people talk about the real reason Obama is destroying Syria - about war on Iran - and Israel role in ALL wars in the Middle East.
 
 
-1 # gzuckier 2013-03-02 21:39
Yeah, that's the ticket. Obama is destorying Syria because of Israel. Same reason Iraq and Iran were brutally at each other's throats for decades; because of Israel.
 
 
+1 # Activista 2013-03-03 01:03
War on Syria is proxy war against Iran. AIPAC Clinton was replaced by AIPAC Kerry. Iraq Iran war was well fueled by USA - Israel - US AWACS were flying for Hussein ..
Israel and the Iran-Contra Scandal: How Neocons Messed Up the ...
www.globalresearch.ca/israel...iran-contra-scandal.../5323076Feb 15, 2013 – Special Report: Newly available documents reveal how Ronald Reagan's neocon aides cleared the way for Israeli arm sales to Iran in 1981, ...
 
 
+4 # Glen 2013-03-03 07:50
gzuckier, Iraq and Iran were "at each other's throats" due to the encouragement of the U.S./Israel, not to mention the U.S. supplying money and arms to Iraq in those attacks. And remember the Iran/Contra business? Highly illegal and U.S. all the way.

Never kid yourself about how much influence Israel has on the U.S. government or how many working in federal and local governments who have dual citizenship with Israel. Easy to research.
 
 
+1 # gzuckier 2013-03-02 21:41
Yeah, but you do have to admit; President Bush did not receive a blow job, therefore there was really no harm.
 
 
0 # JPS07 2013-03-03 10:37
Quoting gzuckier:
Yeah, but you do have to admit; President Bush did not receive a blow job, therefore there was really no harm.

Are you sure about that?
 
 
+2 # Glen 2013-03-03 17:29
gzuckier, how do you KNOW Bush did not receive that blowjob. Somebody had to reward him for being a brain dead pawn of Karl Rove, et al.
 
 
+2 # Nominae 2013-03-04 04:46
Quoting Glen:
gzuckier, how do you KNOW Bush did not receive that blowjob. Somebody had to reward him for being a brain dead pawn of Karl Rove, et al.


Not really. The "Dub" came pre-brain dead. No reward required, except the "carrot" to "outdo" his Daddy.
 
 
+3 # bfkron 2013-03-02 20:09
Don't worry. bush, cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, and every one of those lying bastards will spend eternity rotting in hell and then they will get their just rewards. Can't wait for that to happen!
 
 
+2 # tm7devils 2013-03-02 23:26
But if there is no hell (which there isn't) , then justice is never served...
...and that pisses me off!
 
 
+1 # Pickwicky 2013-03-05 19:11
Got it right, tm7devils. That's why the rotters must be punished here and now.
 
 
+6 # ganymede 2013-03-02 22:30
I think it's about high time that Bush was yanked into a court of law and made to explain his actions in needlessly destroying a country and killing hundreds of thousands of mostly innocent people for a few barrels of oil. We are a warmongering people but Iraq was the most blatant act of crime that we've committed since Vietnam. We will never be a free and whole people until we get over all our criminal activities. I don't want to get Obama off the hook, but he is basically trying to repair the damage caused by Bush. We must start a movement to pressure Obama to bring to justice Bush, Cheney and the whole cabal of neo-cons who lied us into this disastrous war.
 
 
+2 # tm7devils 2013-03-02 23:22
I look at it all this way:
If a repug member of congress has his lips moving - it's a lie; if a citizen is a repug - he/she is an ignorant dupe. Both are a danger to democracy.
Personally, I believe Bushy's entire executive branch should be tried for treason - at the same time Manning is released.
 
 
+2 # Nominae 2013-03-04 04:53
Quoting tm7devils:
I look at it all this way:
If a repug member of congress has his lips moving - it's a lie; if a citizen is a repug - he/she is an ignorant dupe. Both are a danger to democracy.
Personally, I believe Bushy's entire executive branch should be tried for treason - at the same time Manning is released.


Well, that would let Cheney off the hook. Recall the way he famously, if incredulously, claimed that the "Office of the Vice President had NO CONNECTION to the EXECUTIVE BRANCH" ? That's when he was trying to cover Scooter Libby's a$$. Talk about living in a world of FORCED fantasy !

Crazy as it WAS, it DID save Cheney's behind, even as he still threw "faithful" Scooter under the bus !
 
 
+3 # bmiluski 2013-03-04 11:39
Hardly thrown under the bus. He's probably living a very, very, very, comfortable life on his own private island. Paid for by bush/cheney deep pockets.
 
 
+1 # Nominae 2013-03-04 21:38
Quoting bmiluski:
Hardly thrown under the bus. He's probably living a very, very, very, comfortable life on his own private island. Paid for by bush/cheney deep pockets.


GOOD POINT ! Yeah, when we are talking high profile execs from Halliburton who also happen to be Vice Presidents, just for the vacation, the idea of being "thrown under the bus" really DOES become kind of a "relative" point, doesn't it ? Thanks for the good catch !
 
 
+4 # lockerh 2013-03-02 23:23
We had all we needed to disbelieve GWB; his statement to George Tenet at Christmas 2002, "This isn't good enough to convince Joe Public," to which Tenet famously replied, "It's a slam dunk."

The real story here was not Tenet's reply, but GWB's statement, "This isn't good enough to convince Joe Public." That means that GWB was NOT interested in truth but was only interested in persuading Joe Public that war with Iraq was justified. And even GWB knew that what Tenet had presented was bunk, "not good enough to persuade Joe Public."

Bunk. His own words belie his own disbelief in this so-called "intelligence" provided by Tenet.

Bunk, bunk, bunk. "Not good enough to convince Joe Public." Bunk.

All posturing to the contrary ... bunk. And thousands died and millions were displaced from their homes. All on bunk.
 
 
+4 # mrbadexample 2013-03-03 00:21
conspiracy theorist that I am, I wonder why this lead was never pursued:

The forged Niger letter was printed on official letterhead--the real stuff. It was apparently stolen from their embassy in Rome. The letter also contained information that was incorrect (got people's names and titles wrong, for example). Mohamed ElBaradei of the IAEA told the UN security council the letter was a forgery. Who planted the letter? Whoever created and circulated the forged letter had to be part of a major intelligence operation. But whoever it was seems to have deliberately sabotaged it.
 
 
+1 # Activista 2013-03-03 13:23
"Who planted the letter? Whoever created and circulated the forged letter had to be part of a major intelligence operation."
.. take a guess ... what Middle East "intelligence operation" country "forged" the documents, excels in terrorism - and it was NOT CIA.
 
 
+4 # aljoschu 2013-03-03 06:50
"For nearly a year prior to the invasion, President Bush and his administration peppered the airwaves with serious accusations against Saddam Hussein, including claims of aluminum tubes that could be used in centrifuges to enrich uranium, and of Iraqi efforts to purchase uranium yellowcake from Africa."

And now, under the Obama administration, the same is happening in regard to Iran. Together with president Netanjahu in Israel, the White House and the Pentagon are peppering the western public about the imminent nuclear threat arising in Iran. With what obscure intentions?

Only the world outside is not inclined to believe the lies and manipulations any longer. Iran is certainly not a free and democratic country. But to call Israel the "single democracy in the middle east" is plain cynicism. And to call the USA, with their antiquated two party system (the two of which are almost indistinguishab le twins), the mainstay of democracy in the world is bordering on propaganda.

"We did not do nearly enough to prevent this tragedy perpetrated on Iraq, on the world, and on ourselves."

Very true. And you are not doing enough to avoid a similar, imminent tragedy in Iran, either. As long as the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice ilk is running free within the US, you, dear Americans, are not doing enough to avoid similar tragedies.

A heartfelt thank you to you, Mr and Mrs Wilson, for yor honesty and courage.
 
 
+5 # alanvance 2013-03-03 09:10
The assertion that "we - all of us -were fooled" is worthless. More than 100-thousand Americans who were not fooled affirmed their disbelief in the elite claims by demonstrating in October 2002 in Washington. I was there, and by telephone I was told that a St. Louis radio station was asserting that a mere "handful" - fewer than 100 - demonstrators were present; that is, that America believed the tale of WMD and was solidly behind going to war. Clearly, the mass media entertained no doubts, asked to questions, and suppressed such doubt as did exist. When we hang the war criminals for Iraq 2003, save some rope for those servile news directors who bend and twist the news in the great American hinterland.
 
 
+2 # Activista 2013-03-03 13:25
But 80% of the Americans were applauding "fireworks" over Baghdad - check the polls ..
 
 
0 # NONAME 2013-03-03 09:24
Just how , Pray tell , were we , the blamed citizens, supposed to stop the insane Bush Cabal, from doing anything. Even if we instinctively knew what they were doing was wrong ? The power doesn't look like it,s in the hands of the people !
 
 
+1 # Douglas Jack 2013-03-04 22:03
NONAME "the hands of the people!" All power comes through the money flowing through our fingers & labours we are hired to do everday. Solidarity with all people of the earth through non-spending of money & time except for life essentials towards food, shelter, clothing, warmth & health. This means an effective labour & consumer boycott of all exploitive, un-ecological & military linked corporations & banks. Live simply & reinvest in participatory multi-stakehold er (Founder, Worker, Supplier & Consumer) corporations which have best practices in ecological business. Learn about your indigenous ancestors & the laws & customs of First Nations here, the only sovereignty. There is a critical mass building. You just need to join. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy/participatory-accounting
 
 
+5 # stllrckn 2013-03-03 09:36
Obama is no better than Bush. Thanks to Obama, wiretapping without a warrant is now legal, you can be arrested for protesting near a building where someone is being protected by the Secret Service, and you can be thrown into a military prison indefinitely with no legal representation if you are SUSPECTED of being a terrorist.
 
 
+3 # ABen 2013-03-03 12:25
stllrckn; if you actually think that the Obama admin is as corrupt and disingenuous as the Bush W admin, you need to start drinking filtered water. BTW, the Patriot Act (warrantless wiretaps, etc) was enacted under W not Obama. While the current admin has many ethical lapses to answer for, it doesn't compare with the thuggish, un-American behavior of the neo-con wrecking crew.
 
 
+1 # Activista 2013-03-03 13:27
Obama administration (NEO-NEO-CONS) completed neo-cons goals and more ... Libya, Syria, Africa, Iran ... and marching ON.
 
 
0 # bmiluski 2013-03-04 11:42
How are we completing the neo-con goals in Libya (we never invaded), Syria (we never even supplied weapons), Africa (where exactly have we landed in Africa) and Iran, who have openly declared that they want to bomb Israel which would be the first step toward a Third WW.
You really need to stop watching FOX.
 
 
-8 # tom10032 2013-03-03 13:35
The misinformation arrives from all points of the compass. The left wind is poorly funded and scattershot and given to wacko conspiracy theories like the hysterical . ravings about DU ammo and "controlled demolition" on 9/11, not to mention "chemtrails" and other such claptrap.
The right wind is well-funded and focused on pushing a unified core agenda, the Holy Cause of those who Franklin Roosevelt called "Economic Royalists". Both are effective theater, making a false equivalency easy to assert. Which is just theater, and which is sub-rosa statecraft? We report, YOU decide!
 
 
+6 # intheEPZ 2013-03-04 08:39
[quote name="tom10032" ] The left wind is poorly funded and scattershot and given to wacko conspiracy theories like the hysterical . ravings about DU ammo and "controlled demolition" on 9/11, "
wacko conspiracy theories? How about 19 guys who couldn't pass flight school (or were still in their homelands) hijack 4 jets with box cutters and precision-acrob atically fly them into buildings causing the FIRST PANCAKE COLLAPSE IN HISTORY of a skyscraper on fire, including a bldg not hit and not on fire that collapsed before it collapsed on British TV. Depleted Uranium conspiracy theory? You need to study physics and and the radiological effects of inhaled or ingested alpha particles on your body. Please do a little more study and thinking.
 
 
+2 # vgirl1 2013-03-03 13:41
America bought into it because too much of our media are more engaged in punidiotry than in true investigative reporting. All one has to do is think of the two most recent egregiously false cases that the media helped the right wing propagate over the past month.
1)the supposed Hagel involvement with a non-existent Hamas organization
2)the supposed threat from the White House against Bob Woodward.
Both of these charges / stories proved blatantly inaccurate and over the top, but the media rushed to participate in both of them without bothering to question or verify either of them, such that in the end so much of the media looked complicit,fooli sh and more untrustworthy.
 
 
+4 # PABLO DIABLO 2013-03-03 21:51
Some of us didn't fall for it and WE PROTESTED.
 
 
+2 # tomo 2013-03-03 22:15
In heartfelt sympathy with Valerie and Joseph, let me say it will not do to characterize Colin Powell's speech to the U.N. as a "mistake." It was rather a dramatic instance of a man failing his rendezvous with destiny. No apology is possible. It had to be, as it seems it has proven to be, the catastrophic end to a once promising career.
 
 
+3 # intheEPZ 2013-03-04 08:32
Many in the Bush-Cheney admin. are WAR CRIMINALS. And Sec'y of State Kerry was TOTALY COMPLICIT. He spoke to his constituents in MA after his blank check vote supporting the war and parroted many Bushisms, like "we need to drain the swamps of the terrorists" and "Saddam Hussein kicked out the weapons inspectors (he didn't, they were pulled out by our own gov't after contaminating their impartiality with a spying operation). When we pointed that out, and the fact that UNSCOM destroyed 95% of Saddam's toys after the first gulf war, and the other 5% were expired, impotent, beyond their shelf life (per Scott Ritter and the then-current inspectors), he questioned the inspectors' integrity. We questioned his critical thinking skills. He said we called him a liar in public and that wasn't polite. We said "you brought up the word liar, not us."
A beautiful Freudian moment. He knew, and we knew, and he knew we knew he was in it up to his eyeballs. This man is not fit for Sec'y of State. His heart is with his corporate masters. He personally profited in the millions of dollars from stock in war profiteering companies, per Democracy Now a few years back. I would ask him again, had I the chance, "how can we trust you?" He knows he was either lying or incompetent then, and is a fraud now. A person with real integrity would admit this, and step down. God help us. If the past is any indication, they have many more wars in store for us.
 
 
+2 # jjj 2013-03-05 08:14
War is hell. And that particular hell is our primary export. (Look at the RSN article about two young Afghan boys being killed by a US helicopter.) We rage about genocide and violent oppression perpetrated by other governments and dictators but we don't change our own murderous behavior.
 
 
+2 # FlowerPower 2013-03-05 12:23
Let's face it Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and crew STAMPEDED America (and the world) into war as if they were cattle and indeed, some Americans behaved exactly like sheep. The American media helped fan the foolish panic. The Iraq war was the biggest foreign policy and economic blunder in American history. Thanks cowboys.
 
 
0 # Pickwicky 2013-03-05 19:12
And may those cowboys choke on their beans.
 
 
0 # cherylpetro 2013-03-06 04:05
"Was a mistake!" Killing over a million people, and leaving them with multiple cancers and birth defects, from all that "shock and awe" is now called a "mistake!" Bush purposely LIED and promoted that LIE to our Congress, and the American people! Bush/Cheney are essentially mass murderers who walk free; and yet there are some people who rot in prison for much much smaller offenses, like possession of pot!
 
 
0 # Pickwicky 2013-03-06 15:14
Cheryl--"leavin g them with multiple cancers and birth defects." What are you referring to? The weapons we used? Or what? I'm unaware of our use of such weapons that would cause cancer and birth defects--do you believe we used nuclear weapons?
 
 
0 # Groenhagen 2014-05-26 19:50
This is a very curious piece by the Wilsons. They claim here that the Bush administration didn't have the intelligence to make the claim that Iraq had WMD. They also claim that they both knew that when Colin Powell spoke before the UN on February 6, 2003.

If that is the case, why did Wilson write the following ON THE VERY SAME DAY in the Los Angeles Times: “There is now no incentive for Hussein to comply with the inspectors or to refrain from using weapons of mass destruction to defend himself if the United States comes after him. And he will use them; we should be under no illusion about that”?

The Wilsons are phonies, folks.

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