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Paul Krugman writes: "It is, of course, a political catastrophe for Democrats, who just a few weeks ago seemed to have Republicans on the run over their plan to dismantle Medicare; now Mr. Obama has thrown all that away. And the damage isn't over: there will be more choke points where Republicans can threaten to create a crisis unless the president surrenders, and they can now act with the confident expectation that he will."

Portrait, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, 06/15/09. (photo: Fred R. Conrad/NYT)
Portrait, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, 06/15/09. (photo: Fred R. Conrad/NYT)

The President Surrenders

By Paul Krugman, The New York Times

01 August 11

A deal to raise the federal debt ceiling is in the works. If it goes through, many commentators will declare that disaster was avoided. But they will be wrong.

For the deal itself, given the available information, is a disaster, and not just for President Obama and his party. It will damage an already depressed economy; it will probably make America's long-run deficit problem worse, not better; and most important, by demonstrating that raw extortion works and carries no political cost, it will take America a long way down the road to banana-republic status.

Start with the economics. We currently have a deeply depressed economy. We will almost certainly continue to have a depressed economy all through next year. And we will probably have a depressed economy through 2013 as well, if not beyond.

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+49 # Cordley 2011-08-01 08:00
Are we surprised? Wasn't that the deal to start with? The Chicago Mob is deeply conservative, they rule with the billy club and we are the clubees. We are being ruled like a conquered province.
+1 # RM 2011-08-04 18:33
We are not surprised. Really more than anything, it was the mass media who mugged or clubed the middle and lower economic classes. The mass media hyped the crisis hysteria from both the republicans and democrats. The mass media did not mention at all the Progressive coalition budget plan which was and is quite rational and practical. The plans offered by Obama and Boehner are neither practical or effective. They don't help; they just make the problems worse. All they do is protect the very rich from paying more taxes -- something the Progressive plan requires and that is why it was never mentioned.

It is the mass media which is to blame. Boehner and Obama just did what they are paid to do (i.e., the work of the banksters and billionaires). Americans had no one to presents reasonable alternatives. The mass media failed -- once again.
+60 # lexx 2011-08-01 08:08
Barak Obama, greatest Republican president since...greates t Republican president ever!
+26 # NanFan 2011-08-01 11:03
I'd listen to you, perhaps, on that one if you knew how to spell the president's first name.

But it is a shame that President Obama did not take on the Republican corruption when he first got into office, as we hoped and believed he would. Now, they're still pulling their tricks, and the president all the time is working for a bi-partisan solution to show that he is trying to do government as it should be worked under its democracy.

Too late. Too little held accountable for egregious acts of corruption. So the Republicans got their big toe in the House power door in 2010, beat their new and ugly "tea-bag party" drums, and cranked up their old and saggy propaganda machine that always works on the dumbest people in America.

And now, President Obama is trying to play his ball game the way he learned was correct, and he's found out, well, that's just not how it's played.

It's smoke-and-mirro rs at both ends of the court, and nothing would have ever been a slam dunk, except if President Obama had shut them all up, told them to "get back to him" AFTER he raised the debt ceiling himself as so many presidents before him have.

A 3-pointer lost...too bad, because America will continue to suffer, on and on and on, no matter how many cheerleaders.

Beer anyone?

+23 # Lee Black 2011-08-01 12:41
Nan, I agree. When Obama put himself forward in the beginning as reasonable and able to compromise (art of politics) he established a pattern that allowed the Republicans to take on every issue as a good poker player would play a bluff.
+2 # Dorian Brown 2011-08-02 15:17
NanFan: Barak is an alternative spelling of President Obama's name so watch your criticism! Beer is the last thing we need at this time. We need a Strong Leader. A Great Leader. Someone who is authentic with leadership skills higher intelligence to do what is necessary to fix our broken government and depressed economy. Hilary Clinton was always the better choice but more peole believed in Obama's "rhetoric" and "hope and change" promises that have brought us to a time in American history that no long ago was unimaginable!
+30 # Wolfchen 2011-08-01 14:53
Obama must be challenged for the 2012 presidential nomination. He is causing great damage to progressive policies and the Democratic Party. California has already begun such an effort. All throughout or country, a coordinated strategy for a viable challenge to Obama must be rigorously pursued now! Senator Sanders…the time to announce your challenge is now. America needs you…and yes, you are electable to be our next President. Let’s not just be angry. Let’s unite and be successful in our efforts to save our nation for self-destructio n. In the meantime, the latest act of Obama treachery must be opposed in Congress.

Please visit this link:
On Saturday, July 30, 2011, the Progressive Caucus of the California Democratic Party passed a resolution that encourages Democratic Party members to seek a primary challenger to President Obama in the 2012 election.
+21 # rtrues54 2011-08-01 16:02
+10 # why not? 2011-08-02 10:04
I like Nader's idea -- not a challenge to split the party, but a challenge to do just what Obama asked us to do, "hold his feet to the fire." Wed need someone to stand up in front of the entire nation in a primary debate and ask him why he surrounded himself from day one with Wall Street good ol' boys who helped cause the '08 crash and took their advice over Mr. Krugman's; why he took the public option off the table before beginning negotiations when it was the only solution to health care that would really save money; why he spent one-eighth of what a real, economy-saving stimulus would have been; why he insisted on this "grand gesture" instead of just getting the debt ceiling raised. We need to ask him these questions in a forum where he can't just smile and say "compromise." We need to know WHY he hasn't been the leader he promised to be and we need to know WHY we should vote him in again. What depredations await the economy if he continues this disastrous course of too little, too late? Me, I would so love a Sanders/Kucinic h ticket, having worked for K in the last election. How different things would have been...
+1 # Chuck Ford 2011-08-04 16:47
I am a liberal D, not a leftist, not a socialist, but I am ready to subscribe to a Democratic Primary. Obama doesn't really seem to be in touch with the vast majority of the people who voted for him. God knows why he thinks he needs to keep moving to "the Center" when the goddam R's keep moving the center to the Right. Krugman in an earlier column was right on point. There is no room for compromise when the "Centrists" are bent on reducing American workers to 3rd World slave status.
+3 # Really 2011-08-02 18:28
What progressive politics are you talking about Wolfchen? Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich? The idea of progressive politics and politics in general is an outmoded and broken structure that we should hasten to put out of our misery. Democrats nor Republicans have any vested interest in the concerns or trials of those outside the halls of "power". So it is time to change the balance of power. If we as a people can initiate and act for the general good of the citizenry instead waiting for these fat cats to step up to the plate we might actually be a witness to some change in this country.
+51 # fredboy 2011-08-01 08:11
What the GOP has shared is it's OK to hurt the nation and through a constant tantrum--that's the new negotiation strategy they learned from Wall Street's 2008 blackmail of former President Bush. That saw that it worked.

Obama's collapse comes as no surprise. He is not a strong President and knows it. And knows everyone knows it. I predict he is biding his time and will step down.

Medicare slashes will create the biggest backfire, as they will hurt the medical community more than the patients. Many medical practices (most in several areas of Florida) are highly dependent on continuing Medicare payments. They will be savaged.
+34 # Jorge 2011-08-01 10:08
Fredboy, I agree. I predict Obama will step down when he is challenged in the Dem primaries and loses a few primaries (he is no fighter). He has accomplished his goals.... fit in with the rich elites, become wealthy and set for life. Then he can play golf daily with the Goldman Sachs elites. Boy, he fooled a lot of people, we were desperate for a non-Bush or Cheney and look what happened, a stealth Repug was elected. Sad. Let's start contacting potential Progressives to challenge Obama before Tricky Barry does any more damage to working folks (BO prefers the investor-class elites).
-13 # racp 2011-08-01 12:11
Step down would be the best for the country. At this point he cannot govern. And if not step down, it may be even better to lose agaisnt any republican, and I mean any. As per today, Tea party can force anybody to vote as they please: republicans becasue of fear to a righ wing candidate in their primaries, democrats because Obama leaves them with no choice. The only question is whether the USA can afford 6 years more years of tea party ruling.
+34 # goodsensecynic 2011-08-01 12:24
It's not a hard question. The USA (and the rest of the world) can't afford 6 more years of Tea Party rule.

Environmentally , it would be a genuine catastrophe. Economically, it would be a continuing disaster. Ethically, it would become a cruel joke.

On the other hand, hard as it is, forget the White House and concentrate on restoring the Democratic Party - from the bottom up!
+35 # NanFan 2011-08-01 11:14
I made the same "step-down" prediction as I watched the way he played this one, too.

Sad. I sure did love him for who I thought he COULD be. I thought he COULD be a fighter for democracy and common people.

I feel REALLY badly about Medicare, especially as I and many friends and family are either in "that zone" or getting close. But I feel the worst about Medicaid for those of who are on disability, too old and poor to pay, and/or jobless because of a corrupt system put in place by "the switch-blad shrub," Bush, and his cronies.

I actually feel nauseous...damn ...this should have been a good four-year run, touting the progressive line and making and upholding laws FOR the people, not for corporations.

I hope the Congress has a bad sleep tonight and every night they stay in office. I hope that President Obama can look himself square in the mirror and say, "This ain't my game. Time to go." But I equally hope we do not go the way of Gingrich or Romney or Palin or GOD FORBID, PLEASE NOT, Michelle pray-away-the-g ay Bachmann.

Let's pound the progressive weeds for a solid Democrat to run.

I'm on the phone...

+67 # BradFromSalem 2011-08-01 08:15
In order for President Obama to regain my vote in 2012, he will have to come up fighting for Progressive policies for the remainder of his term.

That is very unlikely to happen. I have given this man more slack than any politician deserves, and then even I gave just a little bit more.

When I was young, wise and naive I never voted for mainstream candidates for President or Governer. The notable exception was my vote for George McGovern.

Obama may have been the perfect man to succeed the winner of the 2000 election. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court decided otherwise. The man who took the oath in January 2001 managed to leave a horrible mess and instead of cleaning it up, Obama wants to sweep it all under the carpet and pretend it never happened.

The mess is still here, the piles of garbage conitinue to pile up. We need an enforcer. Someone that tells the mess makers not only to clean up their mess, but also how to clean it up.
+25 # LML 2011-08-01 09:30
[quote name="LiberalLi bertarian"]In order for President Obama to regain my vote in 2012, he will have to come up fighting for Progressive policies for the remainder of his term. your dreams!!! He is bought and paid for.....
+14 # BradFromSalem 2011-08-01 09:41
The next line is "That is very unlikely to happen"

My point; the dream that you infer I am having has ended.
+28 # Susan27 2011-08-01 12:56
I agree with you on all points...what a disappointment President Obama has been. He needs a lesson in backbone from Bernie Sanders!
+25 # J.Lindsley 2011-08-01 08:16
The Fall Of Empire is well on it's way.

Who will be the most to pay?

Sellabrate this stellar Day

While the politicians amass and PLAY
+25 # billy bob 2011-08-01 09:56
While what's left is in disarray,

The pundits band to shout, "hurray"!

Our leaders, all hypocrits on display,

While voters ponder the next Bastille Day!
+37 # Rita Walpole Ague 2011-08-01 08:22
No big suprise! Have to keep we the sheeple crippled with MSD (manipulation, spin, distraction) do they not, the evil villainiare rulers.

And what better way than to ruin the economy (as, of course, their fortunes increase), and have, their nearly enslaved serfs, distracted with mere survival?

Oh Bomb Ah's caving into the villainaire rulers - it's been going on since his taking office. But, not all we the sheeple are dumb and readily MSD'ed. We get it. It's a coup d'etat, with democracy, the right to vote and have that vote honestly counted, rule of law, basic rights of free speech, etc. etc. etc., in the toilet.

So...who knows what it is that will finally tip the scale and put us into American Revolution II? Maybe the fear coming from this latest karlroved, Kochsucking debacle? Who knows.

American Revolution ll, it's a comin', and it won't be pretty.
+18 # Karlus 2011-08-01 08:31
.... Abraham, Martin, nor John to be found no more.....
+44 # cycleman60 2011-08-01 08:42
If Americans think for one moment the "cuts" to U.S. programs is a compromise, they have to be smoking weed. The fact "Revenue" (discontinuing tax breaks, subsidies for the pay-no-tax corporations, etc. was not part of the package, then Middle America (working class) and impoverished as well as the elderly, will carry this burdeon on their backs. When someone like Dick Chaney can receive over one million dollars in tax breaks, sometbing is horribly wrong. Wake up America.
+15 # SoCal Johnnie 2011-08-01 10:10
Bush tax cuts expire in 2012...
$4 Trillion in revenue to Treasury
+13 # racp 2011-08-01 12:17
Don't hold your breath. The economy is going to be in the tank, and we will have a re-run. "increasing taxes will hurt the economy" topped with "we have a spending problem, we are still on deficit" will lead to another round of cuts on what is left and more tax cuts to "jumpstart" the economy. Which will result in deeper deficit and more reasons to keep cutting spending. I hope that by then, we will still been able to afford internet access to vent our anger/desperati on on forums like this (... it is going to be very hard to find a public library with interent access)... but I will not hold my breath waiting for it.
+4 # Lee Black 2011-08-01 12:48
Bush tax cuts expire in 2012 and the 'debt-crisis' settled. This means the business community has the 'certainty' that has supposedly been holding them back.
+31 # JAYBOD 2011-08-01 08:45
Barack Obama...The first "REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT" the Democrats ever elected!!!
+21 # camus11 2011-08-01 09:43
No, the first was Clinton
-1 # Pickwicky 2011-08-02 12:21
So you think your ravings help the country? I'm beginning to think the writers here are all Republican stooges. You who are advocating write- ins, tossing out Obama, voting for independents, even for crissakes revolution--all those feckless possibilities-- you're helping the Republicans to destroy Obama, the middle and working classes, and the country. You're far better at destroying our cause than the Tea Party. Did you fall for the Republican drivel--are you closet birthers, Islamophoics, racists? Are you able to turn a blind eye to what Obama has accomplished while up against the worst obstructionism in our history? Did you think Obama could act unilaterally, could by kingly fiat change everything you don't like? Did you all fail high school civics? With this kind of division on our side, we don't stand a chance in 2012--and neither does the country. The Republican Party, the rich, and the ruling corporations all heartily thank you.
0 # Pickwicky 2011-08-02 13:30
Did I step on some little Republican toes?
+54 # DesignCreature 2011-08-01 08:46
The president didn't surrender. To surrender one must have fought to begin with.
-1 # universlman 2011-08-03 18:29
right on design - he conceded, or simply threw the match

some of us seeing a pattern here are pissed

his actions do not match his promises - not taking public funding for his campaign as he had pledged was the first time I noticed this behavior - now I see it in every hard decision

once knew a guy who could take a straight deal and make it crooked
+30 # wwway 2011-08-01 08:55
That's what Republicans and teas want...a banana republic. I'm amazed that middle class Americans who have voted Republican the last 30 years wanted such a state. I call them Chickens for Col. Sanders. Unfortunately, we're all chickens now.
+41 # DPM 2011-08-01 09:00
The President must go. Encourage everyone you know to press for a Democratic challenger, in the primaries, or a third party candidate. Be loud and persistent. We can't just lie down and take this abuse!
+12 # Texas Aggie 2011-08-01 09:35
All of a sudden a Nancy Pelosi presidential bid is VERY attractive.
+17 # merygoround 2011-08-01 09:03
I find it ironic that the tea partyers could go to the brink of the abyss because they knew they could count on Pres. Obama's patriotism -- they knew he would not let the country fail. And therein lies the difference between them.
+3 # why not? 2011-08-02 10:12
The problem is that irony is wasted on the GOP -- they don't understand it, they aren't hardwired to understand it, which explains their ease with hypocrisy -- like Steve Wyn saying Obama is killing the economy -- and merely two minutes later, in the same interview, bragging that in the last quarter his corporation had made the highest profits in the company's history. It makes US laugh, albeit bitterly -- but no one on or listening to FOX "gets it."
+5 # Barbara K 2011-08-01 09:04
Without knowing just what is in the Bill, the President did say that the Big 3 are protected in it. Also, I don't believe that many cuts will be made in the future months for this reason: There is going to be a committee to decide on cuts, 6 Dems, 6 Rs. They will never agree on anything to cut, and then if they do make any agreements, nothing will clear the House, or the Senate. For that reason, I think it was a shrewd part of the plan. Still need to see what else is in it. How many cuts do you think they will all agree on? No agreements, no cuts. lol.

However, I am grateful that the headline today does NOT read: "Obama Adm. Failed to Reach a Compromise, World Economy in total Collapse".
+28 # Saberoff 2011-08-01 10:08
I believe you have it wrong about our new Politburo, Barbara. If no agreement is reached, the cuts to social programs are automatic: this, a real stroke of genius from the fabricators of our new constitution. The Politburo does not have to agree (claim, or otherwise own the destruction of the country) but simply remain silent, partying, with no agreement reached, then the cuts are automatic. It’s absolute brilliance on the part of Our New Fascist Government.
+10 # Barbara K 2011-08-01 10:30
In that case, Saberoff, I hope that the deal fails. So far, I am not seeing much support from the House or Senate. I do wish that they would not pass it and that Obama would invoke the 14th Amendment; though the Rs have already said they would Impeach him. We need to back him, as we are still being held hostage by the baggers. Just think how much better it would have been if there were no baggers in there. It would have passed right away as a clean Debt Ceiling Bill. The baggers are to blame for the big problems. It all has to be there way and we need to find a way to take that away from them. Hope they are out of office next election, it's our only hope for sanity in the House.
+19 # racp 2011-08-01 12:28
Barbara, Don't be that grateful, the headline should read: "Obama Adm. Reached Agreement. American economy in road to imminent total Collapse." You are not going to believe it, but he could have gone to default, bring us back on an executive order to rise the debt limit and still have better impact on the economy in the next 2 year. This economy is in terrible need of a new $1 trillon stimulus package (I that doesn't includes tax giveaways for rich people). Where is Obama going to get the votes? Keep your eyes open and count the furloghs, and personal reductions at State and Federal Government levels (get a big notepad)... and while you do that keep tag of private job creation (a personal card size piece of paper will be enough). You can write my words on stone. We need demand, no tax breaks or government spending cuts!
+4 # Wolfchen 2011-08-02 11:50
The Republican members of that Select Committee will be chosen for their willingness to goose-step the radical right policies. Their 6 members will vote as one block. That means that it will only take 1 Blue Dog or weak-kneed Democrat to vote with them. Any Committee recommendations will then go to Congress for an up or down vote. Though Obama promises to eventually exercise his veto power if necessary, don’t count on it. He'll figure out some way to get pigeon-holed (e.g. again bargain away expiration of the Bush tax cuts for Wall Street.
+44 # Larry 2011-08-01 09:04
This was a political staring contest between the White House and conservative fanatics (read: anarchists), and the president blinked. As we all know, placating a bully only encourages more bullying. We had a chance to show the American people that real leadership does not bow to extremism, and we blew it. As Paul Krugman says, expect more of the same.
+49 # Sandy G 2011-08-01 09:05
I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me!
But not to fret, boys and girls: I STILL would not touch the F'n RabidRepublican Party with a ten-foot pole.
+7 # Still_Standing 2011-08-01 09:12
Another day, another Obama betrayal. The English language is insufficient when it comes to providing words to describe just how loathsome and disgusting this pusillanimous charlatan truly is. I've asked my friends and family to please refrain from mentioning his name in my presence because, in my book, it's the filthiest word imaginable.

Thank you, Paul Krugman, for consistently exposing this maggot.
+3 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2011-08-01 14:08
Quoting Still_Standing:
Another day, another Obama betrayal. The English language is insufficient when it comes to providing words to describe just how loathsome and disgusting this pusillanimous charlatan truly is. I've asked my friends and family to please refrain from mentioning his name in my presence because, in my book, it's the filthiest word imaginable.

Thank you, Paul Krugman, for consistently exposing this maggot.

I seriously doubt that you were ever an Obama supporter in the first place. You must be that chameleon republibagger that keeps showing up under different names.
+6 # Still_Standing 2011-08-01 15:43
I voted for Nader in 2008. When I saw Obama vote for the FISA bill, I knew he was a rat. I've been on this board for months saying taking the same position. The difference between you and I, pal, is that I recognize a republican when I see on, and your Mr. Obama is a republican.
0 # Pickwicky 2011-08-02 17:56
Stil Standing--so go ahead, try to bring Obama down. Do the Republican's dirty work for them. You and the Tea Baggers make a great team.
+66 # JCM 2011-08-01 09:12
This is from the Ed Shultz Show, 27 July 2011. "I want to have you hear this audio clip that - from a caller from my radio show today. I think he sums it up pretty well, the income disparity in this country. His name is Dennis. He‘s calling from Kansas City. He‘s the owner of a publishing company.I want your response. Here it is.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am a small business owner. Most years, I make over 250,000 dollars a year. And you know, Republicans keep on saying they can‘t tax the wealthy. They‘re the job creators. Ed, they‘re wrong.
As a small business owner, I am not a job creator. The middle class in this country are the real job creators. Those people making 30,000, 40,000, 50,000 a year. Ed, you know, two thirds of our economy is driven by consumption.
That consumption is not being done by the top two percent. It‘s the vast middle class. People listening have to understand that businesses exist to create a profit. You have to make businesses hire by creating demand for their goods and services.
We have a demand problem in our economy, not a cash problem for businesses. Business owners, wealthy people, they don‘t need more cash." This is a great explanation for real job creation and taxes. The American people need to hear this over and over to reverse the Republican lies. Make this an ad! The Democrats must start to fight back!
+19 # NanFan 2011-08-01 11:24
Good idea to make this an ad.

Send it to the Democratic Party headquarters.

Or make a video yourself with it and send it.

Great idea. Right on, straight talk!

+44 # JCM 2011-08-01 09:14
A democratic talking point - The rich don't make jobs, the American middle class does!
+27 # Bill Clements 2011-08-01 09:39
Rich corporatists continue to make jobs, just not on American soil. Downsizing their American workforce and holding off on capital improvements is paying them a huge dividend. Aside from the moral consequences of such a betrayal (capitalism really does lack morals) and the gutting of the middle class, there doesn't seem to be a downside to their strategy.
+33 # todd williams 2011-08-01 09:25
What we are seeing here is the final downfall of the American Experience. We will now slip into the status of a second rate nation. Our hopes and dreams are being dashed by a handfull of power mad Rethuglicans who harken back to the turn-of-the-cen tury robber baron state. Well folks, they are getting exactly what they want even though many of them don't fully comprehend what they are doing to our once great nation. Vote for whomever you want at this point. I just don't see that it matters anymore. Obama has proven himself not worthy to fight the good fight. He's been emasculated by the Right. This is truely a sad day for me. My party and my president have let me down.
+41 # kbergpe 2011-08-01 09:28
And when the US economy falls further into the abyss, the twisted right will claim"See, we didn't cut enough Government spending". Sick, just sick about the way this turned out.
+6 # humanmancalvin 2011-08-01 09:32
So if the president were not the only intelligent adult in the room & refused all compromise la the GOP, then where would we be? This is the part I don't get: the president bends over backward to govern both sides of the aisle & the Repubs as per usual are never satisfied as their stated goal is to make him look as bad as possible for a potential 2012 takeover. The left ( me) are not satisfied that he bent over in an attempt to be president to all. I'd still vote Obama well over anyone else in contention.
+6 # lotuslover 2011-08-01 09:57
humanmancalvin- -U are right on. The posters here who heap blame on Obama fail to admit that, in most congressional districts, Reps are not the majority. That they keep getting elected is the responsibility of Dems and Independents! Wisconsin's turmoil is the result of Dem and Independent voters voting for right-wing Tea Party wingnuts. As Huxley said, "You pays your money and you takes your choice".
+24 # goodsensecynic 2011-08-01 10:39
The problem is not that he bent over backwards, it's that he just keeps bending over.

You're right, of course, that having President Obama is better than having Sarah-bin-Palin a weak heartbeat from the Oval Office. And you're also right that right-wing Democrats are as dysfunctional in the effort to make sense as Tea Party Wing Nuts.

But - and it's a very big "but" - on the major issues of war and peace, health insurance, Wall Street and the hideously neglected matter of environmental degradation, Mr. Obama has failed to fulfill expectations (not so much promises, since he made very few). And, for anyone on even the mild-mannered left, his performance has been mediocre at best.

The shame is that so many people took this center-right political fixer and attributed to him qualities of statecraft and progressive ideals when he was a self-declared "free market kind of guy all along.

What's needed? Abandon the cult of celebrity and stardom. Get women, multicultural communities, anti-poverty activists, environmentalis ts, consumers and what's left of the once vibrant trade union movement and the bits and shards of the peace movement together and TAKE BACK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

The only hope we can believe in is the hope that we make for ourselves.
+5 # tishado 2011-08-02 04:15
I do not think it is the responsibility of Democrats voting for the right, but for Democrats not being motivated to make it to the polls and ceding the field to the Republicans, who always turn out in greater numbers in off-year elections.
+16 # goodsensecynic 2011-08-01 09:45
Obama's right-wing critics claim he's a "closet Muslim." The fact is that he's a "closet Republican." But that's another story.

Here's my beef! Why walk about America becoming a "banana republic"?

The phrase is like the "N-word." It demeans people and justifies their oppression.

It conjures notions of military dictatorships which depend on the exploitation of the peasantry by international fruit companies and permit corrupt local elites to share in the profits in exchance for the brutal suppression of dissent.

But who created them? It was the United States of America! From the "Monroe Doctrine through CIA "covert actions" as recently as in Honduras in 2010, US multinational enterprises (e.g., the former United Fruit Company), right-wing zealots and members of the far-famed "military-indus trual complex" have carried on an economic, military and propaganda war against the people of Latin America.

Only because oil and Islam are the current rationales for military adventurism have the people of Central and South America been increasingly successful in gaining a measure of liberty and prosperity.

Meanwhile, retaining contemptuous and outdated stereotypes at the heart of the Empire that helped repress countries from Mexico to Chile is not the mark of a progressive, not matter how astute the assessment of Obama.
+16 # BradFromSalem 2011-08-01 10:44

I agree on all but 1 point. I doubt that Obama is a closet Republican. I think he has no guiding ideology. His only compass is to find a solution. He is incapable of telling people that wrong that they are, in fact, wrong. He always thinks there is a preferable middle ground. Under that standard, this agreement is a huge win.

The problem is that ever since Reagan we have drifted further and further right. The middle no longer exists. Obama takes the current situation and stakes out a middle position relative to a middle of the road (read Blue Dog) Dem and a Fox lovin' right winger.

Barak Obama is not the right President for America today. His victories are wins for the Right Wings middle (read Boehner).

What happened to the poorly named People's Budget?
+2 # NanFan 2011-08-01 11:26
Neruda would be proud of you.
+35 # William Fulcher 2011-08-01 09:47
Draft Dennis Kucinich.
+38 # psychomom 2011-08-01 10:12
And Bernie Sanders.
+35 # Dale 2011-08-01 09:48
A total sellout!! If we wanted a Repubican president we whould have voted that way, butthe millions of us who voted for change will not again be deceived by a man with no principles and integrity. To the streets!!

Dale Johnson
+12 # rtrues54 2011-08-01 16:15
Totally Agree, Dale.... TO THE STREETS!!!
-2 # Pickwicky 2011-08-02 12:52
To all who rave about tossing out Obama, voting for write-ins, independents, or not voting at all, and to advocates of revolution, and all other feckless possibilities:

I'm beginning to think you're all Republican stooges, trolls. Did you fall for the Republican drivel? Are you closet birthers, Islamophobics, racists? Did you think Obama could unilaterally change everything you wanted by kingly fiat? Did you all flunk high school Civics? Have you forgotten Obama's many accomplishments in the face of the worst obstructionism in history?

In 2012, this silly, destructive division in our ranks will prove more effective than the Tea Party to reach Republican goals of destroying Obama, the working and middle classes, and writ large the country.

The Republicans, the rich, and the ruling corporations all heartily thank you.
+16 # camus11 2011-08-01 09:49
In an effort to get a deal at all costs (rather than demand a clean raise of the debt ceiling or invoking the 14th amendment), Obama has not only set bad precedent by giving in to terrorists but he has also likely insured that the economy will stay depressed and in so doing probably arranged for his electoral defeat in 2012. Good riddance to him.
+19 # psychomom 2011-08-01 09:49
McConnell and the rest of the repugnant republicans had it in for Obama from the beginning -- they came right out and said it -- that wanted to see O fail. Well, they've succeeded, with the help from a spineless, whimpering president.
+2 # Steve in LA 2011-08-01 09:52
All of you progressives who cried in 2010 "I didn't get everything I want (although I got over 2/3 of it), so I'm staying home at election time" have gotten what you deserved - by staying home at election time YOU turned the House over to the Republicans, putting the President (and the Country) in a straight-jacket . Now, instead of admitting the consequences of your own acts of abstinence in the 2010 election, you threaten to DO IT AGAIN, abstaining and turning over the Country to the Tea Party. [Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.] Obama struck a very good deal for progessives, given the hand that YOU non-voters in 2010 gave him. All that was given away can be taken back (along with revenue hikes from the rich) in 2013 IF YOU DO NOT ABSTAIN IN 2012 LIKE YOU DID IN 2010.
-3 # Still_Standing 2011-08-01 11:18
We abstained in 2010 because Obama had already betrayed us so many times that we were fed up with his crap. He has nobody but himself to blame for the 2010 desertion by Progressives. As for 2012, I'm voting 3rd Party all the way. I certainly wouldn't vote for this jerk, despite the whines of enablers like yourself.
+1 # Pickwicky 2011-08-02 18:00
Still Standing would rather enable the Republican Party.
+4 # tishado 2011-08-02 04:18
I am not so sure that it was the fault of progressive activists not getting what they wanted and not turning out, but moreso of traditional Democratic voters turning out in lower numbers (being less affluent, they usually make it less often to the polls in non-presidentia l elections), feeling less motivation to turn out in large numbers because the president failed to press for a clear popular agenda that would mobilize voters, and the Republicans were very motivated and turned out in large numbers.
+4 # why not? 2011-08-02 10:20
I agree, Tishado. If Obama had fought hard for a public option, it would have energized the base, and given those of us who were still working for the party a decent talking point, instead of, "Well, I know, he didn't do what he said, but there's still time." Not very inspirational. If he had just made that first fight his best fight, 2010 would have brought a tidal wave of Democratic support. Listening to his moderate Wall-Street-bre d advisers, instead of to real economists like Mr. Krugman, would have been a good start. He did this to himself.
+8 # MainStreetMentor 2011-08-01 09:59
They've applied new paint, new set of tires, and new seat covers ... but the car still has a faulty engine, a defective transmission ... and the brakes will NOT work. There's absolutely NO trade-in value.
+15 # MainStreetMentor 2011-08-01 10:03
Would one of you particpants please pull the knife out of my back that the President stuck there as payment for my vote for him ...?
+12 # SoCal Johnnie 2011-08-01 10:14
History lesson boys and girls...
Gore LOSES Florida to Bush by 45K votes that went to NADER and Bush wins/is appointed…

Under Bush:
Housing market collapse
Labor market collapse
Banking system is dysfunction

Obama elected:
Fair Pay act-Equal pay for equal work
Restored scientific integrity in government
Ended Bush restrictions on embryonic stem cell research
Ended don't ask don't tell
Children's Health care-insured 11 million
Phase out unneeded F-22 fighter
Funding for science research
Save US auto industry
Restarts nuclear nonproliferatio n talks
Sotomayor and Kagan to Supreme Court
Funding for student loans and pell grants
Tax credit for 95%
Hate crimes for sexual orientation made Federal crime
Extended unemployment benefits (had to extend Bush tax cuts to get it passed)
Etc,etc,etc.....So let's think about what you all are saying... Repugs have almost DESTROYED this democratic republic...
Vote Obama and Democratic in 2012 or lose it all....
+14 # BradFromSalem 2011-08-01 11:00
From the Firesign Theater's 'We are all Bozo's on this Bus'

"Mr. President, Where can I find a job?"

Obama has not fixed or fought to fix the items you list as caused by Bush. He has indeed done many good things, but you fail to list what he has not done, like propose a job creation plan. I am not even going to get into the wars.
-4 # Still_Standing 2011-08-01 11:14
Sorry it took a moment to reply to you. I had to puke first. Here's a more complete list of the maggot's "accomplishments":
+10 # Lee Black 2011-08-01 12:55
Good points and don't forget Ohio was stolen in 2004, which allowed Bush to do continue his damaging ways
-3 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2011-08-01 14:31
Quoting NanFan:
Isn't that what the wingnut Tea Party are doing?

Quoting SoCalJohnie:
History lesson boys and girls...
Gore LOSES Florida to Bush by 45K votes that went to NADER and Bush wins/is appointed…
Under Bush:
Housing market collapse
Labor market collapse
Banking system is dysfunction

Obama elected:
Fair Pay act-Equal pay for equal work
Restored scientific integrity in government
Ended Bush restrictions on embryonic stem cell research
Ended don't ask don't tell
Children's Health care-insured 11 million
Phase out unneeded F-22 fighter
Funding for science research
Save US auto industry
Restarts nuclear nonproliferation talks
Sotomayor and Kagan to Supreme Court
Funding for student loans and pell grants
Tax credit for 95%
Hate crimes for sexual orientation made Federal crime
Extended unemployment benefits (had to extend Bush tax cuts to get it passed)
Etc,etc,etc.....So let's think about what you all are saying... Repugs have almost DESTROYED this democratic republic...
Vote Obama and Democratic in 2012 or lose it all....

Excellent quote and presentation of the truth, SoCal Johnnie. I think the "Hurricane Murdoch" and "News Corp." tsunami will wipe out these degenerates.... VERY SOON!!
+2 # Still_Standing 2011-08-01 15:46
You Obamabots are all the same, spewing the same half-truths. Here's a FAR more complete list of Bambam's treachery. I posted it before, but you appear to have missed it:
+1 # Chuck Ford 2011-08-04 16:55
I have had it! I will not support any Dem who runs on the platform of "I'm a better option than the 'alternative'". If I'm gonna get a Republican by Any Name I might as well vote for the real item. When the R's finish running this country into the ground, maybe Americans will rise up and do what they need to do to take this country back.
+9 # racp 2011-08-01 16:01
Ok, but let's contextualize. Everything you mentioned was obtained, I would say, with majority in the house and almost filibuster proof majority in the Senate (notice that I don’t say control of both houses because that is not true due to how Republicans acted). Forget about passing anything in congress but dismantling of SS, Medicare and Medicaid in 2011 and 2012. In addition, those achievements were at the cost of not raising revenues and slashing here or there spending. Unemployment still hovering at 9-10% and the economy is too weak to bring it down. The stimulus package was way too small and already expired with no chance to pass another. Health care reform is going down the tube with recent spending cuts, Stem cell research and funding for science research/ who cares? Funding already slashed for any research, tax credits? Funding for students loans a Pell grants, slashed. Extended unemployment benefits, at the cost of keeping millionaires tax cuts. Everything the Republicans gave Obama was at the cost of increased deficits, because they know what they are doing: that’s the way to force the shrinking/elimi nation of Medicare, Medicaid and SS. Sooner than later the option of Medicare for all will be gone. You said “Repugs have almost DESTROYED this democratic republic,” I would say “are destroying” with the cover that Obama is providing.
+6 # shemama 2011-08-01 10:28
The problem is the paradigm. You can't take down the master's house with the master's tools. People were in love with the idea of Obama the new savior. If you didn't see this coming and you voted for him, you contributed to what is going on now. Male domination is what is at the core, and has been for 5000 years. Wake up folks. Nothing will change this hierarchical, male dominated, sexist, racist mess. It will need to completely fall/fail, and only then will change be possible. Women weren't even allowed to vote until 75 years ago. The black man got the vote before women did. And women are the backbone of the world. Everything has been built on the backs of women. You want change? Focus on empowering girls and women.
0 # NanFan 2011-08-01 11:30
Isn't that what the wingnut Tea Party are doing?
+3 # Dorian Brown 2011-08-02 16:13
ARE YOU KIDDING NanFan? The Tea Party in no way promote the female gender.

The Tea Party wingnuts in no way support women. Nor do they bring anything positive to the female gender. Palin, Bachman and the others are an insult to our gender. They encourage women to be submissive to men while simultaneously promoting bigotry, guns, and hatred of others. They demonstrate their ignorance every time they speak or go on national television. Then the media calls them on it and they shrill "Gender inequality. I'm a feminist! I'm being criticized because I'm a woman!"

+8 # goodsensecynic 2011-08-01 12:37
I am not about to quibble with you about the ultimate source of wickedness and evil - perhaps it's patriarchy, perhaps it's capitalism, perhaps it's racism and it might even be superstition and religion. More likely, though, it's all of the above and a but more too.

My own predilection is to go with Engels' "Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State," but I'm more attracted to Anthropology than Current Affairs.

Here's my quibble: Male domination for 5000 years? Really? Now, I'm as willing as anyone to seek out matriarchies in recorded history and pre-history, but I find remarkably few. So, let's push that number back at least several millennia to the first surplus societies and the first division of labour (and rewards).

Not that it matters much as a practical issue, but there are implications. So, empower girls and women by all means - the more and the faster the better! But be careful if empowerment means "only" equal representation in business and government that plays the same games by the same rules.

Abolish all discrimination by class, race and gender - but don't be satisfied with a "rat race" that treats all the rats equally. Stop the race! Share the cheese!
+2 # sonrisa 2011-08-02 17:32
yeah, look at how the Dems screwed Hillary in 2008. She WON the damn primaries. Should of run against McCin in the General Election. Instead the Dems forced this Daley Machine troll on us. And now we;re suffedring the consequences. I will NEVER vote Democratic again. Alternate parties (I hate to use 3rd cuz there's so many of them) only from now on.
+23 # Brit Satchwell 2011-08-01 10:32
The only solace in being the corporate state's krill is that we are not yet plankton, but the downward spiral continues. Will Democrats shed their moderate Republican robes in time to save the country? Of course, that presupposes that there are backbones under the robes (sigh). All of the opinion polls and the economic facts point to the need for a new national party. The sane adults in the room need to be fighting, not surrendering at this point. Let what chips that remain fall where they will.
+15 # Cabbagehead 2011-08-01 10:34
Well, what happened? Take a long view:GOP goading failed to maneuver O into using two available presidential avenues that would have inevitably triggered House impeachment moves, so he could be seen as evading and fleeing a contest or being prudent. Confusion reigns as some blogs say "Deal" and others "No Deal." The issue of paper money reigns supreme in the temple of capitalism, while education, climate and social programs (retirements, medical) are depressed and the serial wars that brought on the trillions of waste are extended in several countries where dark-skinned populations are targets. War profits trump race and reason.
+9 # ABen 2011-08-01 10:43
I agree with SoCalJohnie. Liberals and Progressives must avoid making the perfect the enemy of the good. If we need to see the effect of just staying home and complaining, we need to look no further than what is happening in Wis and Ohio. While I like having the voices of Sanders and Kucinich in Congress, the reality is that neither could get elected President. As for Clinton, what didn't Camus11 like about the Clinton era--the peace or the prosperity.
+2 # Wolfchen 2011-08-02 12:27
What not to like about Clinton era?
How about creating NAFTA without controls that would have uplifted standards in all the countries that are members, rather than lowering the standards overall (e.g. environmental controls, right to unionize etc.)?
-1 # Chuck Ford 2011-08-04 17:04
Clinton advanced the Great Sellout to Corporations and the Rich exponentially. Even the Great Saint Reagan can't top him in that area. I thought Hillary would be more of the same and supported Obama from the get-go. WhadidIged? More of the Same.
+2 # Wolfchen 2011-08-02 12:30
Oh yes, and then there is Clinton' being complicit in the demise of Glass-Steagle that has greatly contributed to the current disasters.
+2 # Dorian Brown 2011-08-02 16:23
Right On! The Clinton era was a time of peace and prosperity and unlike Obama, Bill Clinton knew how to lead and how to negotiate. If Hilary Clinton had won the Presidency, we would not be in the deep trouble we are now economically, inter-nationall y and domestically. Our government is broken. People have lost their trust in politicians on both sides.
+25 # kkartha 2011-08-01 10:49
They would rather chop all the benefits to the elderly, spending for eduction & infreastructure of our country than cutting our bloated WAR BUDGETS!
WMD Lobby at work for the distruction of AMerikka & mankind in general..
+16 # MainStreetMentor 2011-08-01 11:53
Congress continues to focus on sending an ambulance to the bottom of the cliff, instead of placing a much needed barricade at the top. But so enamored have our legislators become with the owners of the ambulances, they’re pushing victims off the cliff … the latest being dependent citizens of Social Security and Medicare. It’s obvious: Saving citizens is less desirous than the call of gluttonous Greed.
+15 # michelle 2011-08-01 12:19
If we aren't in the streets, we have surrendered too.
+4 # KittatinyHawk 2011-08-01 12:25
I want to see the bill not the rehetoric.
What I read on two others istes, Medicare and SS was not mentioned..mili tary was.
So I am wonering why these short blurbs if they are not the truth and so far in a week there has been much counter information so I guess better Media is still needed.
+12 # Joseph L. Goldman 2011-08-01 12:36
Time to get to work. Put 24 million back to full time work. It's worth $1.2 Trillion to the economy, annually, $300 Billion revenue annually to the deficit/pay off the National Debt. That's the track to get back on. Let the Bush tax cuts finally die their natural death. Get back to replacing, updating and maintaining, where possible, our neglected infrastructure. Our returning veterans and new work force out of school can all work on maintaining, upgrading, refurbishing/we atherizing, rebuilding and restoring our national resources. Use the WPA, CCC, PWA until small, private companies bid to improve the efficiency and take over the individual projects, probably in a couple of years. Now's the time for the silent majority to bring our country back from the destructive neocons and their progeny.
+10 # MainStreetMentor 2011-08-01 12:47
It appears, according to every periodical I read and the disenchantments voiced within blogs and all the visual media: Americans are distrustful of, and angry with, our political system. Could it be we need, as a nation, to be actively involved in the creating of a major third political party, with donations from corporations prohibited as contributors to that Party’s coffers? Is it possible, without “mega-bucks” to put forth candidates on the national stage by 2020 that might have a chance of turning our country around – provided our current batch doesn’t bury America between now and then?
+10 # Jorge 2011-08-01 13:40
Let's use 2012. 2020 is too late, the U.S. will have lost its Middle Class and resemble a feudal system or plantation economy/culture . An internet movement (e.g. can help organize/public ize the non-corporate candidates.
+8 # Carla Clark 2011-08-01 12:53
I, also, agree w/SoCalJohnie. We got in this mess because of a large percentage of uninformed and unmotivated citizens who either don't vote or are deceived by the conservative media. This was exacerbated by frustrated Liberals and Progressives either not voting or backing candidates with no chance of winning, which gave us Reagan the first time (which marked the first big slide downhill) and 2 terms of GW Bush. As bad as things are now, they would be worse if the 'Publicans win in 2012. Rather than do anything to enable them, let's all please focus on opening people's eyes and getting out the vote. We, as a nation, did this to ourselves, & if we Liberals and Progressives divide ourselves, we'll have done what remains of the conquering for the 'Publicans.
+1 # racp 2011-08-02 06:37
Quoting Carla Clark:
I, also, agree w/SoCalJohnie. As bad as things are now, they would be worse if the 'Publicans win in 2012. .

Only if Obama wins control of the house and a fillibuster proof senate. And that will probably result in no move forward or backward in a social agenda. Anything else will result in the Republicans calling the shots, dismantling the safety net and a Democrat President taking the blame for it. Today, I am believing that if Republicans really want to advance their agenda and leave personal interests aside, they will aim to mantain the status quo, control of the house, 40+ sentators and Obama in the White House. Think about it, this is still a 2 party system, who will pay for taking this country back more than 80 years? President or Congress? You hear left and right that Obama has control of the senate... in your dreams! The senate was a cementery were almost every bill went to die becasue Republican fillibuster everything in sight.
+3 # NuBN247 2011-08-01 12:57
To one and all, let's see if I have this right. If President Obama held fast and the economy crashed he will be blamed. If he compromises, he will be blamed. If he uses the 14th Amendment he will be impeached, and blamed for his own impeachment. But in saving Medicare, Medicaid and Pell Grants from the vicious cuts Republicans wanted and preventing the nation from free falling into a depression as the Republicans wanted President Obama gets ... oh, right, he gets blamed for compromising! Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, but those who manufactured a crisis out of whole cloth and were willing to bankrupt the nation for the sake of their billionaire masters are considered victors. Absolutely amazing!
+19 # BradFromSalem 2011-08-01 14:18

You have a point.

Here is our point.

We are sick and tired of settling. We are sick and tired of seeing our savings stolen away from us while the theives go free. We are sick and tired of saying we avoided a catastrophe. We are sick and tired of sticking our fingers in the dike and being blamed for the leaks. We are sick and tired of hearing that there are no jobs and less and less free public education.

We are sick and tired of settling. President Obama had the high ground, he could have gone in for the kill. The people were behind him and he mooned us.

If this compromise is looked at in a vacuum then its not too bad. Nature abhors a vacuum and so do most people. The whole is way, way worse than the sum of its parts.

Thats why we are pissed, and I didn't even mention the wars.
+9 # racp 2011-08-01 16:42
With his action, Obama is setting himself for failure and becoming a competitor for Hoover's place a USA president. Under his sight, the economy will go in a double dip, the dismantling of the safety net will be started, and the playbook for hijacking the country with a minority is being written.
He cannot even defend his legacy. What a Pyrrhic victory! Passing a water-down health care reform to see the country full speed toward the end of Medicare and SS as we know it.
Obama surrendered all his artillery. If he cannot deal with impeachment for defending the poor and the middle class, when will he stand up against insanity? Do you want to make SS disappear, here is how you do it under Obama (2012-2016). 1) Wait until the next made up debt ceiling crisis and let the economy reflect the full effect of today’s debt ceiling compromise. 2) With an economy in a double dip recesion, claim that we cannot afford the level of spending and, since discretionary spending has been cut since 2011, there is nothing left to cut there. 3) Remember everybody that in a recession tax cuts are off the table. 3) Acknowledge that you are willing to compromise and accept half of the cuts in Medicare and Half in Social Security. 4) Let Obama convince everybody that is the best option considering that the alternative is the collapse of the world economy.
Good night and Good luck.
+12 # Broger 2011-08-01 13:17
I voted for Nader twice because he had the wisdom to understand that all the DC insiders are playing the same game. They'll always push the fear button by rigging close elections via polls so there's very little margin for any other candidate to run without being called a spoiler and derided into infamy. I recommend everyone see the documentary: Ralph Nader-An Unreasonable Man. In a way I was very glad he wasn't elected. He would not be alive today. Have we yet been told the official truth about JFK? How much of it is still classified almost 50 years later? How about the media cooperation flooding of TV so called news with the Dean scream and the fake polls after it to make it seem legitimate. We're being totally duped people. They have Republicans vs Democrats just like in a football game. Both teams have the same owners.
+2 # ABen 2011-08-01 15:17
Broger; if you voted for Nader in 2000, how did you feel about 8 years of the Shrub? With the exception of Fixed Noise, the media is in the business of infotainment--t hey have to make money. But to reduce the political dynamic of public discourse to the absurd level that both parties are the same is simply ludicrous. Perhaps the paradigm of how we fund elections in the U.S. needs to change. If you want pull the fangs of big corporate money out of the electoral process, push for public funding of elections and a 6 month limit on campaigning.
-7 # bobby t. 2011-08-01 13:58
ok folks. no brainer. the next ticket for the democratic party:
obama/clinton. that was the deal that got her to stop her campaign in 2008. all smiles for her new candidate after that . bill was all over him until that deal was made. i would bet on it. any takers? and before you bet me, understand that i made a lot of money on the government option health care deal. no way he gets it. that is why he capitulated early ladies and gentlemen. the health care deal. he needed a victory and he got, crap, but something for a lot of people and it was a start. but i bet he couldn't swing a single payer or public option and i won a lot of cash. obama/clinton 2012. it is an easy call.....
+2 # sonrisa 2011-08-02 17:40
nope should be Clinton & whoever she picks for her running mate, That's how it should of been in 2008
-6 # bobby t. 2011-08-01 14:04
the education of a liberal:
watch movies: lord of war, catch 22, and no end in sight. and know that the bible caused all our problems.
slavery. (the word of god said slavery ok. see abraham and hagar. that gave us the civil war, and racial problems since.)
gay issues: an abomination in the bible
and tons more.
they still rape and kill women in the middle east for adultery. or stone them which comes from the old testament.
so yeah, liberals scare the crap out of rednecks. don't let the facts confuse you, and the door not hit you in the butt on the way out.
+17 # maddave 2011-08-01 14:20
Cry "Treason". . , but when both parties, both houses of Congress & the President are all in the pockets of Corporate America, to whom do We-The-People call?

Our political situation today is not completely different from that of Germany's Weimar Republic which produced Hitler & Nazi fascism. Our finances are not far behind. History suggests that if Congress & the President cannot get our festering banking, debt & deficit problems under control constitutionall y. then the currently whispered talk of a different, "more effective" style of government will be heard out loud. . . and that unpredictable ball bounces without conscience - both left & right.

So far we have no strong unifying voice or egregious incident to rally about, but just as surely as "all bleeding stops - eventually", in times of great discontent the faces & voices of rabble-rousers, convincing charlatans & snake-oil peddlers, inevitably emerge from the muck to sell their attractive, easy-palliative s-for-complex-p roblems to a troubled/desper ate audience. .

For those who say "it can't happen here": History is replete with the chronicles of governments felled by internal greed, corruption. arrogance & ego . . , but Beloved, trust me! There is always room for one more.
+13 # dusty2 2011-08-01 16:45
Compromise is not when one side gives everything and the other side gives nothing, that is yellow belly cowardice.

First of all one never negotiates things that have already been won: Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. These have been the law since the '30s for SS and since '65 for the medical programs. I have negotiated union contracts and I know of what I speak. We never put on the table things we had already achieved --- why would one give up things one already has to placate the other side?
+8 # dusty2 2011-08-01 16:47
On the other hand what could one expect from someone who attended Harvard on other people's money to become a lawyer out to protect the rich folks position of power and wealth.
+8 # angelfish 2011-08-01 20:35
All you have achieved, Mr.President, is to once AGAIN, capitulate to the K.N.F.P (Koch/Norquist Fascist Party) and REINFORCE and GALVANIZE the Lunatics in their ROGUE Cabal of Idiot Freshmen in the House! Your "hope" for Compromise has not, nor will it EVER, come to fruition since the only one who has compromised is YOU, and IN compromising, you have COMPROMISED the American People! The "bi-partisan" Commission is a JOKE! There is NO Compromise in their lexicon. Their "Triggers" will go off like a head-shot to the brain when they fail to reach "fair and equitable" agreements on ANYTHING! So, Barry, all you've done has totally destroyed ANY faith, hope or confidence in you to do ANYTHING for Americans! How's THAT working for you? Are you Happy now? You COULD have saved yourself the embarrassment of Capitulating to the THUGs if you had invoked section 4 of the 14th Amendment! ANOTHER opportunity lost in your PIG-HEADED desire for a "compromise" that will NEVER come! I used to think you were SMART, sadly, we ALL know you are NOT! You make Neville Chamberlain look like a War-Monger!
+2 # sonrisa 2011-08-02 17:42
he makes Chamberlain look like a master negotiator
+6 # Paul Scott 2011-08-01 22:51
What a glorious day republicans saved the nation from default!!! What happened?
The Reagan and Bush II tax breaks to the wealthy having been passed on into the national debt, for like of revenues, will be paid for by the working people. Why? Reagan signed onto all those loopholes, for the wealthy, to create jobs. The continuing and deeper tax breaks that will be given to the wealthy at the next round of negotiations, to create even more jobs, will be paid for by Social Security and Medicare recipients.

Meanwhile, Wall Street, you remember the ones that Bush/Cheney and friends handed all that tarp money to, to keep the nation from defaulting; will rake billions of interest money for their portion of the national debt. And all is well in the land of OZ.
+6 # Lenore Rapalski rapa 2011-08-01 23:18
Every time I purchase something only to find it was made somewhere else, I ask myself, 'why couldn't this be made in America'? This runs the gamut from towels to drugs to foodstuffs. Many things are made just across our border in Canada which puzzles me. Except I know the answer, Made in America would cost the corporations more in health care and certainly decrease their profits. Corporate America is the main cost of our financial disasters.
Unfortunately, buying outsourced materials means that Americans are self-destructin g their own job possibilities and buying themselves out of potential jobs. Buy American if you can find products that are made here.
0 # Liam 2011-08-02 07:49
Sadly, we're now paying the price for Obama's inexperience in national politics. I bet Hilary wouldn't have caved, hell, she'd have kicked some butt.
0 # Dorian Brown 2011-08-02 16:35
+2 # Compromised insanity 2011-08-02 14:55
I dont like whats happening in my country so much to the point where its failure would have little affect on my emotional state. Obama, compromising with insanity is Insanity you moron! You would have compromised with hitler if given the chance! I dont know if anyone else sees this but i can see in your eyes lately that you have been defeated. Your eyes dont lie. It looks like you have lost your freedom or something. I am democratic but you have lost me quickly. You do not yet realize that you are losing everyone! I have come to the conclusion that your eyes show you have betrayed your own base of support. You look like a parent who cant afford a needed surgery for your child. Desperate and weak. Im sorry i have lost all faith in this once great nation. Civil war is upon us but not before the depression hits. There will be gangs composed of angry college students with combined iq higher than that of the fbi,america- have fun dealing with that. Its very soon.
+1 # Viejo 2011-08-04 17:40
Dems: If we are going to eliminate the Big Greedy Bastards that run the country and take our government back we first have to take our party back and we can't do that by supporting 3rd party people. In the 50 years I have been playing politics I have seen the evolution of the open party concept to that of "we can't afford a devisive primary". I agree that a hard fought primary didn't get us the right guy in 2008 but now, more than ever, the base knows what we need to have and primaries are the only way we can clean house from top to bottom. We need people who would rather be heroes than get re-elected. I thought we had one too but we have got to show politicians that if you mess with the people we will take you down: in two years, six, or whatever. You won't survive the next primary. Its a hard long slog and I don't expect to live to see the end but its the only real solution. We cannot go home and cry and abandon the system to the Big Greedy Bastards. Now is the time to pay attention and engage - in the streets - and everywhere else we can exert pressure. Don't quit. Don't give up. Make the next primary election the next opportunity for working folks.
0 # drush 2011-08-07 14:00
LAU TZU opposite
If Obama isn't tricking us.
Then he is demonstrating how to strengthen the enemy and unite there force maximally.
Are spectators of our own demise?

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