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Excerpt: "Let's just get this out of the way: Times are tough. But most people are smart enough to know that these tough times were long in the making and will be long in the fixing."

Mitt Romney gives keynote address at a Conservative Party dinner in New York. (photo: AP)
Mitt Romney gives keynote address at a Conservative Party dinner in New York. (photo: AP)

We Are Not Stupid

By Charles M. Blow, The New York Times

26 April 12

It’s still about Mitt Romney, and we’re not stupid.

After his primary wins on Tuesday, Mitt Romney delivered a nice speech with some punchy lines, and the pundits jumped and flipped like a troupe from Cirque du Soleil.

But it was all about framing an argument. It was tactical.

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+107 # Barbara K 2012-04-26 10:58
Romney isn't smart enough to run a country. He bought up companies, milked any assets they had and fired the workers (he likes to do that) and sent the jobs out of the country. How un-American can one get? He hides his money in other countries to avoid paying his taxes on it. A tax dodger for president? Nope. We are not that stupid.
-31 # Martintfre 2012-04-26 12:37
//Romney isn't smart enough to run a country.// Neither is Obama,

Actually no one is.

The best you can hope for is some one who makes the rules consistent and fair for all and oppressive to none - and let the intelligence of 330 million Americans do what it does best - not the fatal conceite of a few blessed nobles in white towers or white houses decide for every one else.
+6 # Bruce Gruber 2012-04-27 03:53
Yep, Rush has dumbed dittoheads down to believe that educated, experienced, knowledgeable thinkers are merely obstacles and obstructionists to progress. Joe sixpack has more common sense in his little finger than all them perfessers and smarty pants intellectuals ... Science is for fools and jobs are a reward business gives to drones when they're not worried about having to follow rules from government ... which, heaven knows is the problem .. always has been, always will be - except when it's the solution of last resort. It;s a good thing business interests have bought government. Now it can be run profitably! Hope they give me some of the profit ...
-43 # John Locke 2012-04-26 17:39
Obama has demonstrated his incompetence in this area, he is too focused on taking away all our rights!
+22 # suzyskier 2012-04-26 19:13
Quoting John Locke:
Obama has demonstrated his incompetence in this area, he is too focused on taking away all our rights!

What rights has Obama taken away?? Please name them. I think you are confused, it's the right that wants to take away our "rights" especially women, the poor and on and on and on.
-2 # John Locke 2012-04-27 07:41
suzyskier: apparently you slept through his last 3 years so I will try to educate you! NDAA took away the 1st, 4th 5th and 6th Amendments to the bill of rights...If you have trouble looking up those rights I will help you...The new law that he has now passed makes it a felony to protest, again voiding the First Amendment...thi s is a start for your research!
+6 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-27 09:08
NDAA in theory takes away your rights...and has yet to be challenged...bu t I suspect this SCOTUS would endorse it any least until the 5 righties were tossed into an undisclosed place. If you are so concerned about the lose of 1,4,5,&6...orga nize a march on Washington...
-4 # John Locke 2012-04-27 09:30
Bodiotoo: I will leave that to you, I am busy trying to feed some of the homeless
+2 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-27 13:13
Why do I doubt that? I have taken the time, to visit Occupy sites from Santa Barbara to New England, and even both Washington DC encampments. Quite a mix. Shut off your computer and go join in some of the discussions with real live people...of all ilks except, the 1% of 1%...yep you will even find wealthy people that do care about the rest of America. Taking the vet I drop in on around for his chores this afternoon.
-3 # John Locke 2012-04-27 18:30
You tell me why? Bodiotoo, I see you here more then I am! Why do I doubt you are really involved?
+8 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 12:54
I still have those Rights and Lawyers can prove it...ACLU for one.
I can Protest I do so a lot. I can still March, as long as one keeps walking, always has been that way.
However, I can read and do so I see a lot of laws passing House, your buddies the GOP?TP who are taking away my rights as a Woman. I see the RED States Governors destroying jobs, allowing any imbecile to carry a gun and shoot whenever. I have always had the Right to Bear Arms but I just never had to pretend to be Jesse James or worse some Racial Supremacist.

I know you hate this Black President, that is your choice. But remember Jesus was not White. When you son is having his back watched all different colors, races, faiths are doin it, even different genders some not defined.

I feel sorry for people with so much hate. I see beauty when I wake up, the rest of this bs can be changed. But then you have to put your back straight and do something. Most around here are just too lazy to understand that nothing changes when you sit on your butt.
+10 # robbeygay 2012-04-26 20:01
You are simply wrong John. Takes a 2nd term to make corrections, refer every corrective innings of any change in POres, eliminate hostile Parliaments by war when every shoulder comes to the wheel in charge works best. Jimmy Carter one of the cleaverest never survived to finish his work, why? Because he tried doing the work in term #1 andc forgot the bullpoo politiciking to stay there.
-5 # John Locke 2012-04-27 07:51
robbeygay: I appreciate your comment...Howev er what you believe goes against what really happens...and I don't believe I am wrong here....with his record in term one he has already demonstrated he will give away SS, Medicare and Medicaid...he will continue the status quo of Wall Street and You can expect further bail outs of his financial backers...the way it appears he may not even have a second term! many of his party are so turned off by his lies and policy changes...sayin g he will not sign then signs legislation they will not vote for him...he has been too wishy washy either intentionally or by design... he has lost a large part of his 2008 base over his deception...I was involved with the Democratic party and only one of 17 people will vote for him again...I am not the one person...I will not vote for a puppet and that is both Romney and Obama
+2 # wantrealdemocracy 2012-04-27 09:32
Both of our major political parties serve the very wealthy people of our nation. There is no 'lesser evil' between these two. We have been so abused as a people that we seem to be unable to vote for what it is we really want. Stand up Americans! The game is almost over. Our democracy has been eviscerated. Please vote on the voting record of your member of congress. Do not vote by party. We need some honest moral and ethical people in Congress. There may be one or two there now, but not more than that. We need to toss out the corrupt and start over.
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 12:56
People love to bitch but I see no conservative effort to actually run a Candidate and do the work it takes.
0 # John Locke 2012-04-29 18:02
Thats because you fought us when we tried!
0 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-27 09:05
You dgo about the NDAA...but it is Congress that drafts and sends bills to th ePresident...Ye s, I would have liked him to veto it in th efirm presented and his signing statement is weak...but the Republican controlled House was blackmailing Obama in regard to troop what would you suggest. With holf funding of any and all projects the reublicans endorse to pay the military or just not pay the military and see what kind of rebellion we get?
-4 # John Locke 2012-04-27 09:33
Bodiotoo: No such thing as blackmailing a president...sor ry...he wanted the bill as it was written and he got it and redily signed it... a real leader would have vetoed the bill and sent a message to congress!
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 12:59
anyone can be blackmailed and are. Senate and Congress use their interests within their parties. He who has the strength gets theirs accomplished.
Presidents can be manipulated look at GW, ReaGun. Presidents can take a Fall Look at Nixon even Carter. Black is alive and well in USA, esp in Politics...
Clinton was pretty kewl about it and owned up can't say that for too many...but then he was caught or framed?
0 # ayfkm? 2012-04-27 18:40
Quoting John Locke:
Obama has demonstrated his incompetence in this area, he is too focused on taking away all our rights!

I don't know about "ALL" our rights. But I do know this trend did not start with him, nor will it likely end with him.
When, while ordering your #3 to "go", the clerk still asks if that will be "for here or to go" do you need to realize the hundreds of millions of people in this country who operate just like that clerk. In ALL levels of our operational stratus!

Do you think creating a populace capable of this "one-step-think ing" came about by accident?

Obama hasn't done anything other than what he was designed to do.
-1 # pernsey 2012-04-29 19:23
Someone has been drinking the Fox New Koolaid for to long!
+10 # 666 2012-04-27 05:42
I'm beginning to think Romney is the perfect one to run this country. He can squeeze the remaining assets out of the middle & lower classes, transferring them to big biz via downsizing & privatization. Then when we've shrunk govt enough to fit in a bathtub, we can break up the US into component parts and sell them off to corporate and foreign interests. "How much am I bid for the Great State of Arizona? Land, water & mineral rights, buildings, chattels, & inhabitants?"
Make way for the new feudal lords.
+3 # John Locke 2012-04-27 09:35
666: I like your thinking, it goes along with the current selling of American landmarks to foreign governments, I gave you a thumbs up for that one
0 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-27 13:15
Come visit China's Washington Memorial?

Come visit BPs Lincoln Memorial?

Come visit the Boeing War Memorials?

That works for you...?
-2 # John Locke 2012-04-27 18:34
Bodiotoo: does it work for you?
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 13:00
They have started doing that since ReaGun
+2 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-27 13:35
It will be curious to see where this Secret Service investigation goes...why so many at one time partied so...and was it funded...who organized it and why. Is it a message? Democrats get assinated, Republicans get wounded.
+57 # fredboy 2012-04-26 11:14
Let's be honest: the economic train wreck we still endure was brought on by lax or absent oversight, a wacko Fed, and both parties leaping into Wall Street's pockets. Cable has melted journalism down to the level of chatting heads, with most of the watchdogs euthanized. Thus all we are left with is occasional PBS special investigations, ignored by the lemming public. Sorry.

And now the campaign begins, and "reporters" most eager to get close to (aka please) the candidates simply parrot the politicians, more resembling guppies at feeding time.

And away we go!
+7 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-27 09:10
Capitalism needs reins...and that is the governement's job for the people. Step in a maintain a level palying field. Unfettered capitalism will move all assets to the top and very few.
"If men were angels, we wouldn't need government"
+2 # robbeygay 2012-04-27 17:20
Oversight they hate, whistle blowers they prosecute for treason and now they want to extradite Assange and Australian from UK or Sweden wow! They won't let you see what they do, oversight is equally snowed.
+70 # dyannne 2012-04-26 11:16
Why would anyone want a man to be president FOR ALL OF US if he believes corporations are people? .... unless you're a corporation? Surely, we aren't THAT stupid.
+54 # HowardMH 2012-04-26 12:06
Quoting dyannne:
Why would anyone want a man to be president FOR ALL OF US if he believes corporations are people? .... unless you're a corporation? Surely, we aren't THAT stupid.

dyanne I'm afraid we (most of the people in the US) really are that stupid. It has been two years since the Supreme Court let corporations donate as much money as they want to campaigns -- and How Many Bills have made it through congress to STOP IT? I rent my case Stupid People.

As Forest said, "Stupid Is as Stupid Does" and we got a whole lot of stupid out there just letting this crap happen. We (most of the people in the US) must be pretty stupid. We let the 400 richest people in the US completely dictate what the government does so they (those richest 400) can continue to make BILLIONS while the rest of us Stupid People let them get away with it. As Forest said, "Stupid Is as Stupid Does"
+25 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-26 13:36
Unfortunately, Congress doesn't care...and the Republicans have enough power to keep the SCOTUS ruling from being over turned by admendment.
Only mass, and I mean mass marches on Congress itself would result in any actions: and then the question will be does the governemnt attack its citizens for peaceful assembly and redress or stand behind "We The People"!
+14 # John Locke 2012-04-26 17:42
Bodiotoo: To answer your question...this government would not hesitate for even a moment to attack its own people! Remember Kent and Jackson State...they killed unarmed students merely because they were protesting!
+3 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-27 09:15
I recall May Day, Chicago, Kent State...and it was government killings of citizens that energized the middle class parents to sit up. We are not Syria, and if mass killings of unarmed started here as there...I believe a lot of people would inderstand the 2nd admendment and the 2nd civil war would be between the People and Washington. "The tree of Liberty must be periodically fed the blood of patriots"...I for one would hope we could regain our governement via the ballot box. The citizens ruling makes that an unhill slope.
+3 # John Locke 2012-04-27 09:39
Bodiotoo: It is not the citizens United ruling that makes our struggle an uphill is the ignorance of the American voter who tunes out with their 6 pack and ball games...then when the election comes along they vote for the best looking candidate...not the most qualified!
+3 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 13:10
The ones who vote against that remark do not understand that the mentality of the above do not care unless someone gets in 'their face', do not vote 'they cannot change anything' and will not help to do anything for anybody but ease thumb me down. But I meet people like this daily. My County is still in dark ages and wants to be there. Newspaper that is very loose interpretation is obits, sports, local twp/boro, police log. That is all folks. I get some articles on animals and people..letters to editor. this mentality is around many is like a disease.
Most people never left here except maybe to go to Hershey Park or other. Until Casinos opened, they never left. 60 mile radius. Hated blacks..there wasn't any around same with other cultures and this day, no different. As you move outward you feel the weight lift but it is temporary.
If I had a tape recorder, the conversation is same...same lies told over and over.
Personally, I believe GOP is using me words to the letter.
-1 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-27 13:45
Yes...most Americans are stated with thier indivdual lot...thier slice of the "dream"...the con! I informed my employer weeks out that I would be unavailable on May Day 1970...told I had to work...I replied, then you will me go...they didn't but I was on the Green in New Haven that day...authories so frightended that when I got to my home town 25 miles aeay that night I was batoned by a local officer for simply having long hair...most Americans are living with blinders on.
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 13:03
We have gotten lazy since. People get all riled up, get placated, then we go to sleep. Only we have been sleeping way too long. Beeper was pulled out...
-1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 13:02
I believe with GOP in force it would not even need a protest to prove a power show.
Just evil people.
-6 # John Locke 2012-04-26 17:40
dyannne: I disagree most of us are that Stupid!
-1 # John Locke 2012-04-27 07:52
dyannne: I disagree, we are!
-1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 13:01
Too many do not even understand the concept of that statement so too many are Stupid
+43 # Liberalthinker 2012-04-26 11:22
Romney is smart enough to be a billionaire ,have an attractive likable wife with health issues (sympathy votes ),but he is sorely lacking in a true don't like his stance today ? Wait 'til tomorrow...what ever it takes to WIN and have power to implement Karl Rove's ideas. Do you wonder why Mr. Romney is described as UNLIKABLE ?We really AREN'T "THAT STUPID" y'all.
+30 # AndreM5 2012-04-26 12:26
He is NOT a billionaire, but he was raised as a multi-millionai re. Certainly he will be the richest corporatist ever to be nominated for POTUS and possibly the most out of touch with the lower classes.
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 13:14
Richer than the Bush's He might well be a billionaire as many of his assets are hidden and off shore. If his wife was ill, than more the disgrace of how he treats others and his hypocritical attitude on healthcare. I would not agree with likeable...she can be pretty offensive. as does...most have others doing it for them. Anyone can buy beauty. Skin is not important, what lies underneath is, always will be...pretty shallow life
+10 # BradFromSalem 2012-04-26 18:47
A Corporate Raider such as Romney would have to act as he does in order to sell his company as the perfect partner. In that role, where Romney can say whatever he needs to say in order make the takeover as profitable to Bain as possible.

That ain't what a President does. The POTUS is responsible for enforcing the laws fairly witn regard to Business. He is not looking out for Number 1 he is looking out for everyone. And in that regard, Community Organizer trumps Corporate Raider as a qualification.

Sorry Mitt.
+11 # bugbuster 2012-04-26 11:26
I'm trying to find the silver lining, thin as it may be. I have to get through my day.

Romney's party is certainly not good for the country, but their candidate could have infinitely worse: a shameless Inquisitionaire religious zealot or a simply batsh*t crazy reckless narcissist crackpot. I don't hear anybody calling Romney a Taliban or a lunatic. I'm going to settle for that today as the good news.
+42 # grouchy 2012-04-26 11:33
Most people realize that we will take a long time to get out of something that took us a long time to get into? I think this is giving middle America a bit more credit than they are due--but we will certainly find out for sure when they come out and vote this next election! Never understimate the stupidity of Americans--they have been voting for Republicans for many years.
-3 # John Locke 2012-04-27 08:01
grouchy: and democrat also! so what does that mean? It means voters are caught up in a psuedo two party scam both controlled by the same money! vote republican Wall Street Democrat Wall Street wins...but well lets try the other Wall Street controlled party this time...maybe he has a kinder face and won't screw us as bad as the last president! Clinton screwed us badly... but you don't recognize that because he is "a kind person" hog wash...he was a wall street stooge just like Obama is today...
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 13:19
Clinton was working his own street. He did good, balanced a budget, let Gore do the goody things to placate the field But when he signed the George Daddy Warbuck NAFTA I knew he had something up his sleeve.
He owned no home, had come up thru the homes taxpayers provided with office...nice work for them all.

His Foundation is good, but it was set up to keep him properous in years to come. Not to mention blackmail from Hillary
+2 # robbeygay 2012-04-27 18:01
Good God John where have you been, Single Party? Check news of Bo Xi Lai first. I think you have a leaning to GOP Side, Clinton fixed what Bush #1 messed with war mnachine labor creations. Obi it trying to fix what Bush #2 screwed with War machine profit creation, Now you want Bush #3 as VPotus and the R assasinated Bush #3 then what. Give Obi wan Kanobi worse than the 3 B's?
-1 # John Locke 2012-04-27 23:33
robbeygay: what are you smoking, you must be talking about someone else! Under Clinton in 2000 when Clinton was president... we were already going into a recession! that is a fact you can't hide! Why do you have to hide the failing of your hero's...Clinto n did a lot to harm has Obama...under Clinbton it was FREE TRADE...Remembe r--- and the repeal of Glass Seagal, remember If he hadn't repealed it we would not have had the crash and the depression we are now in! Think man and attack less you will find you are wrong!

Thumbs down does not mean I am means people can't or won't face the truth....But the first thing to solving any problem is to admit there is a problem!!!
-1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 13:16
Too many years. Funny how against Communism we have been but never seem to really rally for other Candidates for high office.
+2 # John Locke 2012-04-27 18:42
KittatinyHawk: its funny that we mobilized against communism, but not against Fascism!

and here we are in the midst of a fascist takeover of America!
0 # robbeygay 2012-04-27 17:54
I don't think many realise how close to 1927 they are, but the Romney's sure do they know to grab as much as you can before the dodo, strip assets move it offshore, anything but USD, even gold has lost the klaustre through casino trading pushed that far beyond intrinsic value for electronics conytacts and decoration you can't eat.
+52 # Dumbledorf 2012-04-26 11:50
Mitt Romney is a disgrace to intelligence.

He is an affront to reason and an insult to understanding.

He will help himself, but not this country.

Enough said.
+18 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-26 13:39
Agreed...if he had a shred of Patriotism and a "PLAN" he helped the country get on track. should have asked for a meeting with President Obama in the first few weeks of 2009 and helped get the country on track. Egotist out of touch with the 99.%...
-1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 13:23
His hyupocrisy with an 'ill' wife, is that he is the founder of the so called obamacare everyone criticizes with couple differences He wants no Public Opt, and he didnot make the line that all prior illnesses were not to be used against anyone applying for...for all who do not like the is is worth millions if you actually were affected by your life, your family. If it goes, children will die, parents will die, pregnant women for the hypocrites will die. So thanks for not supporting a health care that could be made better.

Mitt the Nit is without a Bit of concern.
+28 # hutlee 2012-04-26 11:56
What is it with these GOPer voters who love these empty suits with name recognition as their candidates? Did you not learn from GWB that empty suits are not exactly qualified to run the country? However, if you actually want to see the continuing decline in America, then by all means vote for the guy most likely to do just that - Mitzy.
+26 # corallady 2012-04-26 11:56
If you haven't read "What's the Matter with Kansas?" get hold of a copy and read it. It's all about voting on single-issue social concerns and forgetting about fiscal concerns--and in the process voting against one's own best interests while the politicians who have benefited walk away laughing at the fools who voted so unintelligently . It's an unforgettable book, and it applies again and again. You will not soon forget it.
+1 # suzyskier 2012-04-26 19:20
Quoting corallady:
If you haven't read "What's the Matter with Kansas?" get hold of a copy and read it. It's all about voting on single-issue social concerns and forgetting about fiscal concerns--and in the process voting against one's own best interests while the politicians who have benefited walk away laughing at the fools who voted so unintelligently. It's an unforgettable book, and it applies again and again. You will not soon forget it.

Thanks for the book title, I am almost afraid to read it, will it depress me?? I'll look for it anyway.
+20 # HowardMH 2012-04-26 12:00
As Forest said, "Stupid Is as Stupid Does" and we got a whole lot of stupid out there just letting this crap happen. We (most of the people in the US) must be pretty stupid. We let the 400 richest people in the US completely dictate what the government does so they (those richest 400) can continue to make BILLIONS while the rest of us Stupid People let them get away with it. As Forest said, "Stupid Is as Stupid Does"
+29 # giraffee2012 2012-04-26 12:03
Until we get the R(oberts) A(liota) T(homas) S(calia) = spells RATS out of the U.C. Supreme Court there will be more Willard ("Mitt") Romneys running the GOP/TP.

Democrats have to get the Hispanic population in their communities registered. Many of these citizens are not registered and yet their rights are going to be trampled on (again) by the RATS - Call your local Dem Headquarters to help get people registered.

BTW I know and am related to some GOP/TP who have university degrees but "buy" the stupid illogical rhetoric of Republicans.

Vote - yes you - get out and drag all who "might" vote with you to the polls.
0 # robbeygay 2012-04-27 18:12
Yes if you get more workers voting you might find Dems win more often, till now GOP-TP have majority time in office as too many only vote when things are real bad, to fix, not to pre-empt before the damage is corporsately done. I said before Australian Compulsory preferential voting system wotrks best, but you don't want to learn from the baby colonials. You older colonials want God's hand in power, the very rich decor JC dashed in the temples. While Aussie $ just keeps rising $1.2 USD to $1 aud was 80 cents in your good Dem days.
-8 # shraeve 2012-04-26 12:05
The article was generally accurate, but it was wrong on two points.

The article said this was a mess not of Obama's making. Not entirely true. As a US senator he basically took charge of a meeting that was discussing the proposed TARP. President Bush simply left the room, saying, "I lost control of this meeting". Senator McCain was clueless. Obama was as responsible as anyone for that $700 billion gift to the greedy, reckless capitalists who got us into this mess. Obama asked hardly anything of them in return.

The article said that Romney was going to run on economic issues, but that they were a Trojan Horse for social issues. When the Republicans are trying to woo social conservatives, it is the social issues like abortion and gay marriage that comprise the Trojan Horse hiding the brutal economic changes that will hurt those mostly moderate income social conservatives.
+10 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-26 13:43
TARP should have been 1.4Trillion and the loans should have gone directly to those who for no fault of there own were having Mortgage problems...I am not talking about the "House flippers" or the clowns that sucked thier equity dry buying toys to play with. Nominal interest rates across the board not tons of cash to the too big to fail,, whom continue to fail the nation!
+3 # BradFromSalem 2012-04-26 18:54

I would rather give money to the house flippers and the individuals that used their equity as an ATM, than to the bankers that stole the life savings of millions of people. I would prefer to just do an across the board write down of the debt of individuals than deal with the cost, delays and more opportunities for shysters to cheat people.
+34 # Elroys 2012-04-26 12:06
I am afraid that I must wholeheartedly disagree with Charles' basic premise. Knowing that at least 45% of Americans are going to vote for Mitt Romney in November, I'd have to say that there are an enormous number of people who have chosen ignorance over wisdom, belief over knowledge, darkness instead of light, and who have been dumbed down by people and forces representing business as usual.

Why anyone would vote for Romney - or any of those other clowns running for the Repub. nomination is just a sign of corruption and ignorance.

Why would anyone vote for a self-declared "tea party" candidate, a candidate referring to himself as a "severe conservative". This is truly madness. These folks represent the worst of America.

Sorry, Charles - I wish you were right. I so wish the climate deniers were right - but they are not. ElliotH
+16 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-26 13:45
Some vote Because:
1. They think they can make lots of $$$ like Bain.
2. They are racist (denying all the way to the voting booth)
3. Brainwashed to be "Lfe Long Republicans" and have never learned to actually look at both sides of an issue
...any way that a starters list.
+16 # Texas Aggie 2012-04-26 13:49
Why would anyone vote for Romney? The one survey I saw said that the vast majority of those who plan to vote for Romney said that they were actually voting against the "black guy." What does that tell you?
+1 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-27 09:18
It tells me they are racist...but my Tea Party friends sure get upset if I make that comment to them.
-29 # seeuingoa 2012-04-26 12:15
"why would anyone want a man to be president FOR ALL OF US if he believes
corporations are people?"

Why would anyone want a man to be
president FOR ALL OF US if he believes
that Americans are so stupid, that they
will vote for him for a second term
despite all his lies, treasons and

Do I need to mention:

Nobel´s peace prize,
Taxcut for the rich,
Treatment of Bradley Manning,
Tar sand pipe line

and you can continue yourself!
+11 # Texas Aggie 2012-04-26 13:55
Let's look at those things you mention.

Guantanamo couldn't be shut down because the repubs in Congress voted to cut all funds to shut it down and refused to let the inmates be transferred to the mainland. It seems the repubs feared their super powers that would enable them to break out of jails and destroy whole cities with a single blow.

What's with the Nobel Peace Prize that has your knickers in a twist?

The tax cuts for the rich were done by Bush a long time ago.

Bradley Manning was deliberately badly mistreated by our "brave soldiers."

He cut the permission for the Pipeline for the moment.

NDAA should never have even gotten to his desk so blame for that one has to be shared.
+3 # John Locke 2012-04-27 08:10
Texas Aggie: Lets correct your false claims: You can close Guantanamo simply by withholding funds, as for transferring the inmates to American prisons an executive order could do that nicely!
Tax Cuts for the "rich" were extended by Obama! He authorized the XL Pipeline do you not read! It has been stated in articles right here, Native Americans were arrested trying to block the construction trucks!
Obama is the one that required the indefinite detention clause be incorporated in the bill and that HE have the power to make the decisions regarding who the government kidnaps...
There is already too much false claims and propaganda here ...lets try and be more think?
+5 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-27 09:21
Guantanamo could be closed today. One prison ship in the Indian Ocean could handle the whole lot of them until a cessation of miltary action...and we all know military actions will never end while Corporations and Washington seek empire.
-1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 13:37
Guantanamo should have been cleaned up by now but it is government...
Pipeline was not okayed, there has been no public hearings in any states so you did not read, that some states that took it for granted are still waiting for money, as they allowed illegal work done....without any permits given, any public court. He has bowed to someithing in Oklahoma but that is a far cry from the Canada Tar Pit. That crap is still not goin to be a comin.
0 # John Locke 2012-04-27 18:45
KittatinyHawk: Don't hold your breath, its a done deal, or have you forgot that obama authorized the pipeline to begin!
-1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 13:34
Nobel Prize had been reviewd before the continuance of Wars. Peace has to do with several factors not necessarily war. But I thought it was premature. Carter had deserved his.

Tx cuts were ReaGun and even before that to placate the campaign/lobby mentality. Like jobs for them also...their kids.

I believe he has walked a fine line. With cooperation from both, I said both partys, I believe he would be more respected.

He can veto...seems that hand works when it wants to with these it blackmail, empty promises, hope. Time he just does what they do, nothing. Bring the bills, let them sit, except for Seniors, Health, can wait esp military. Then perhaps a different tone would be heard. Been done before. A good Negotiator would do it and let them in a corner for a long time
+1 # John Locke 2012-04-27 18:49
KittatinyHawk: There in is one of the failings of Obama, the ability to negotiate...tha t is a skill he lacks...when you negotiate you have several Items on the table that are not important and some that give away ONLY those that are not important and retain the important ones...Obama already put SS, Medicare and Medicaid on the table to be compromised...t hat is not negotiating that is a cop out to seniors!
+11 # grindermonkey 2012-04-26 18:11
I recall most of these stupid things being passed to President Obama by the Master of Stupidity, George W. Bush.
+2 # suzyskier 2012-04-26 19:27
Quoting seeuingoa:
"why would anyone want a man to be president FOR ALL OF US if he believes
corporations are people?"

Why would anyone want a man to be
president FOR ALL OF US if he believes
that Americans are so stupid, that they
will vote for him for a second term
despite all his lies, treasons and

Do I need to mention:

Nobel´s peace prize,
Taxcut for the rich,
Treatment of Bradley Manning,
Tar sand pipe line

and you can continue yourself!

You really need to stop watching Fox news and reading only right wing rags! Treason, lies and violations?? Such blanket statements with no examples i.e. You are blaming Obama for tax cuts for the rich?? Tar sand pipe line? I can't tell where you stand on anything?
-2 # John Locke 2012-04-27 08:12
suzyskier: It appears you haven't been reading the articles right here where Obama has been outed...the quote is correct, where have you been hiding!
+17 # LessSaid 2012-04-26 12:24
We may not be stupid, but the media sure seems to be very stupid.
-36 # Martintfre 2012-04-26 12:27
//But most people are smart enough to know that these tough times were long in the making and will be long in the fixing//

Especially when you keep doing and double down the very tings that got us in trouble in the first places

- Over spending Barak took a $400 billion deficit into a $1,400 billion deficit, bailing out low friends in high places - Barak and the Democrats lead the bail out charge from the senate then the presidency.
More un-winnable undefined wars -.. Hey remember in 2008 when Momar Kadafi gave Barak glowing reviews - how is that hope and change working for ya Momar .. Momar..hello Momar ... we will try back later.
+13 # ABen 2012-04-26 14:51
Quoting Martintfre:
//But most people are smart enough to know that these tough times were long in the making and will be long in the fixing//

Especially when you keep doing and double down the very tings that got us in trouble in the first places

Given the factual history of the last three decades, I can only assume you are referring to the strange phenomena of electing Republicans and thinking that will be good for the economy. TARP was initiated by Bush (and Paulson) to try to stop the implosion caused by his disastrous economic policies. Before Obama took office, we were losing 600,000-750,000 jobs per month and the economy was contracting at an annual rate of 8%. We have now had 28 straight months of economic growth, but it will take a while to fill in the hole that left by Bush. Obama has been trying to get the U.S. out of the wars Bush got us into--Libya was not a war. Acquaint yourself with facts and pull your head out of the sand, unless you like it there.
-1 # John Locke 2012-04-27 08:24
ABen it appears that you are the one with a head in the sand...Clinton set this disaster up and he was president before Bush...the economy was failing in 2000... that was while Clinton was still in the white house and president...fro m early 2000 on the economy began to slide toward the commode and got worse until 9-11 when it collapsed completely... try doing some reading...and as for your 28 strait months of economic growth...WHERE has it been... we are still shedding jobs and seeing businesses fail. the Unemployment rate is NOT 8.2% only a fool would buy into that. Can you see the level of foreclosures dropping, I don't… I see them rising...I could go on for pages but I have given you enough to show you have no idea what you are talking about!
0 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-27 09:26
Ups and downs was not 9/11, but the decision of the Bush/Cheney leadership to go to WAR...not go after the guilty. Untold innocents abraod were killed, and without taking into consideration cost, Bush & Co. started us down this hole...for whatever their personal reasons were/are: They lied us into war. We are not "shedding Jobs", Corporations are moving them overseas for MORE PROFIT.
-1 # John Locke 2012-04-27 09:47
Excuse me Bodiotoo, tell all those recently unemployed that we are not shedding has already been acknowledged right here on RSN that we are...we are seeing the work force declining... that is a fact.. a declining work force means a worsening economy b not a burgeoning one...
-2 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-27 13:27
Lose your job, "...pick yourself, brush yourself off and start all over again."
I haved owned business and been lucky enough to succeed but when asked what would do if I lost everything?...

Depending on government is very different than waiting to be taken care by government.

Do you want government to replace the jobs being shipped over seas. Your solution ...please! The right screams no to any thought of a CCC type program...Rohmn ey wants welfare mpothers to work for wifes can work hard at raising thier kids as they supervise thier thi s, do am exhausted by having to tell "maria" to change the babies diapers!...Peop le against education, training programs in the industrial arts...even talking about not teaching kids to write...Jeffers on saw a real need for an educated electorate...bu t rather than educating with facts, I see a serious dummy down of the youth.

Amuse them with gadgets.
+1 # John Locke 2012-04-27 18:55
Bodiotoo "Lose your job, "...pick yourself, brush yourself off and start all over again."
Sounds good, but in reality today it is not realistic for the 25 million who are really unemployed...Yo u have to be able to (i) find a job and or (ii) have the ability to borrow money to start a business...but look around how many small business are really making it today and how many are folding?
-1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 13:55
Well, I questioned RSN because they are good at some blurbs but when you look at facts since the Diane Sawyer Made in America, Jobs that were leaving have not. Not all from the greatest heartfelt reasons but they have not.
Made in USA, and other Sites actually have listing of Companies in American, some with expansion. They also show other small businesses opening with hopes to expand. I think these facts are saying something. I buy American 90%. I buy locally to help community so online is not good thing unless it is someone I have dealt with for years and is American Made.

You see Mr Locke cannot have it both ways...I put my money where my mouth is.
I am going to go back into business for myself. NAFTA has proven they cannot make good things like Mom and Pop. Walmart cannot uphold inventory or where to get things like the mom/pop or small business they put out of business.

RSN is good at looking at some story, some not more than a paragraph...but they do not do research behind the story to show that perhaps the writer is a bit right sided. Amerca has not closed shop yet Mr Locke, with people being poisoned, realizing they are being used and their communities...t hings will change. But not as quick as you want..well where were you when it started going down hill? I know I have been protesting, marching, going to States, Federal Government for 45 years, have you?
-1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 13:46
daddy started it then Cheney got W to start it again by bombing the USA
+11 # Rita Walpole Ague 2012-04-26 12:28
In my humble opinion, step #1 needed to UNDO THE COUP (and yes indeed, it has been a longtime coming):

Each state and the Feds pass an Election Fraud is Treason bill, ackowledging Vote Death by Diebold, mass disenfranchisem ent and voter intimidateion, etc. evil etc..

In this coming election, the Bushwhacking and Kochsucking villainaire 1% rulers still reign supreme (does that bring to mind a certain Supreme Court?). And, tragic and then some, the 1%ers win with either Obama or Romney elected. True, bigger loss with Romney.

Should we perhaps support the merging of the labor movement, environmental movement, and peace and justice movement, and give our all to not bought out and/or scared off politicians, but real McCoy, 99% people servers?
+15 # seeuingoa 2012-04-26 12:36
What a pity that I cannot become
president of America!

My program would be simple:


and then we take it from there,
supported by the cleverest of
the 99%´ers.

When pressed a little more (!)
my two main issues would be

ALL soldiers out of ALL foreign countries
and total reconstruction of American

And besides that:

No corruption,
No money in politics,
No guns,
No death penalty,
Universal healthcare.

WOW! man! what a president I would be!
+6 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-26 13:50
A bit tongue in cheek...My list would be:

Coruption penalty: No Paid Public Service for 10 years...but plenty of Community Service time.

Politic Money in campaigns limited to ONE DOLLAR per registered voter in your district...

Guns, I stand by the 2nd admendment why it was passed...figure that out...with reasonable restrictions on how you can legally obtain...traini ng, i.d, etc.
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-27 13:57
Amen to the guns. If you are afraid of training to use one, and waiting for criminal background do not get a gun
-2 # John Locke 2012-04-27 08:27
I could not support your candidacy I will not give up my right to own a gun, Otherwise I would vote for you!
+4 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-27 09:28
Where did I say you had to give up your gun? Or more correctly "your right to own a gun"...whitch implies you do not have one, just retain the right to bear arms.
+1 # John Locke 2012-04-27 09:48
Bodiotoo not you it was seeuingoa
+1 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-27 13:30
Understood it when I re-read it...I like the list minus the gun restriction, but I think seeuingoa was hinting at a perfect world where governments would be trusted to look out for all the fact beyond, look out for all humanity without being over bearing and dictorial.
+1 # seeuingoa 2012-04-27 16:59
Quoting John Locke:
I could not support your candidacy I will not give up my right to own a gun, Otherwise I would vote for you!

And why would you own a gun?
Who do you want to kill?

(I don´t talk about hunting rifles
of course)

Let´s have some peace and love,
kisses are better than bullets.
-1 # John Locke 2012-04-27 23:38
Have you tried kissing Bush? I think you might change your mind and prefer a gun!
-35 # Joeconserve 2012-04-26 12:40
First off, any newsaper that prints the word groupiings of Maureen Dowd places all its other "writers" in question. I didn't need to read the full article of Mr. Blow's as his first sentence tells us his agenda is not an objective one.

Mitt Romney will present his plans to the American people while Mr. Obama will seek to appear on the Jay Leno or the Letterman shows.
+14 # Texas Aggie 2012-04-26 14:00
Mitt Romney has repeatedly, despite many questions by the press, refused to present anything that looks like a plan. He won't even release his tax returns. Do you really think he will release his plans before the election? If so, I need to talk with you about some undeveloped vacation land I have to sell about a mile south of Galveston within sight of the beach (if you look north).
-13 # Joeconserve 2012-04-26 14:46
Say, are you the one who is trying to sell that bridge up in the New York area, too...after buying it several times? Hm...

Be patient. Romney will give you what you need to understand his plan. If he doesn't, then ask him directly rather than speculating based on a some agenda.
+2 # John Locke 2012-04-27 08:29
Joeconserve no it was me with the bridge for sale!
+12 # ABen 2012-04-26 14:55
Romney will release his plans as soon as Karl Rove and the Koch brother tell him what they are.
0 # John Locke 2012-04-27 08:30
Actually he and Obama are in closed meetings to develop the joint strategy to sock it to us after the election...
+1 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-27 09:32
Mitt Romney doesn't have a plan for is all about his ego and raping the little guy.
Welfare mothers needs to work even if they have babies, but Mrs. hard raising her 5 that with or without the nannies, the cooks, the gardeners, the maids, housekeepers multipul dwellings and staff...OUT OF TOUCH! NO PLAN for the common American.
+4 # corals33 2012-04-26 12:45
say what you will there will be a republican or democrat running and ruining america for the next four years and beyond so business as usual will be the order of the day.
+9 # lneidhold 2012-04-26 13:35
It is time the Dems enlisted the aide of George Lakoff. The GOP has traditionally used the Rove playbook as a bible in terms of framing their arguments, regardless of the amount of truth contained therein. Lakoff explains it so clearly in "Don't Think of an Elephant". It is time to revisit the findings and discussions of the Rockridge Institute before this country elects Romney and becomes the Rockridge from the Mel Brooks movie "Blazing Saddles" (reference "The Ballad of Rockridge").
+17 # moby doug 2012-04-26 13:43
Romney is a venture capitalist speculator....f rom the same gang of unregulated Wall Street swindlers who blew apart the economy with the bust of 2008. Electing him President is like asking for a repeat of that disaster.
+10 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-26 13:55
If the Rep and Norquist can ask and get pledges against taxes, why not pursue candidates that pledge to both raise taxes as needed(especial ly on the 1% as they can afford it), end wars, work towards health care for all,

i.e Pledges to address the problems and avoid the political theater we are continally subjected to.
+5 # stonecutter 2012-04-26 14:57
This whole prolonged agony is nothing less than a battle for the hearts and minds, and souls, of Americans. Norquist has stated publicly that it really doesn't matter which GOP stooge is president, since Congress is firmly in the vice grip of reactionary forces intent on turning back the clock, the lynchpin of a strategy initiated decades ago to devolve the New Deal legacy and return the country to the core ideology and mechanisms of 19th century Social Darwinism. before TR came along to challenge the vulture capitalists of his time.

Reagan happily obliged these shadowy forces, Gingrich rallied the troops with his Contract for America, Clinton was a not-so-unwittin g tool, Dubya their profoundly useful idiot, and now we've got Willard: put him in a waistcoat and mutton chops and he could step back into the shoes of an 1880's robber baron in an old Errol Flynn western, ready to hit the ground running. He even sounds like the evil one-dimensional creepy plutocrat character in one of those B&W melodramas. Mythological entertainment for morons in an era when less than 6% of our population graduated from any college. Almost 80 years later, it seems to me the number of informed, intelligent, critically discerning citizens has been diminished by an order of magnitude roughly equal to Sarah Palin's vocabulary or the credibility of FOX News.
+4 # seeuingoa 2012-04-26 15:01
I just told my wife that there
was 4 thumbs up for her to be
first lady, and for our two cats to be first pets!

Can´t wait until tomorrow to see
further progress in out situation!
0 # seeuingoa 2012-04-26 15:13

and if you ask me what I will
do about Congress;

One word: Supermaxprison
0 # Bodiotoo 2012-04-27 13:31
Using the NDAA act? Just lock the doors (and the secret tunnels to Congress)?
+8 # Pondering and Pandering 2012-04-26 15:58
We need to see Mitt Romney condemn publicly, his own party, on a host of issues and offer moderate alternatives and stick to those through November before we give him any credit or support. He cannot do those things. He would lose too much from the Republican base. And he cannot maintain a position when pushed strongly on it from either right or left. Theodore Roosevelt said William McKinley had the backbone of a chocolate eclair in 1898. He was wrong. I say and millions know that Mitt Romney is as spineless as a jellyfish and we all will continue to be proven right about that judgment of the man.
+4 # lcarrier 2012-04-26 17:45
If the American electorate is stupid enough to elect an air-headed pawn for the super rich, then they'll deserve what they get. Meanwhile, I'll be in Paris, saying, "You stupid bastards. You gave up your freedom for some preconceived notions that will serve to keep you in thrall to the 1%. I hope that you'll suffer accordingly."
+6 # oakes721 2012-04-26 18:57
An idiot never appears more ridiculous than when he tries to look intelligent.
-1 # cubberly 2012-04-28 10:42
Romney, it appears, is completely like Charles Hurwitz, the pirate that bought PalCo, a lumber company in Northern California, sacked it of all its assets, transferred all profits to his own holding company, and left everyone jobless. He did the same thing to Kaiser Aluminum and Simplicity Patterns.

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