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Scheer writes: "On Wednesday, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney claimed 'the most recent changes give the president additional discretion in determining how the law will be implemented, consistent with our values and the rule of law, which are at the heart of our country's strength.' What rubbish, coming from a president who taught constitutional law. The point is not to hock our civil liberty to the discretion of the president, but rather to guarantee our freedoms even if a Dick Cheney or Newt Gingrich should attain the highest office."

President Obama, seen here after delivering a speech at Benjamin Banneker High School in Washington, 09/28/11, has decided to approve the NDAA. (photo: Jason Reed/Reuters)
President Obama, seen here after delivering a speech at Benjamin Banneker High School in Washington, 09/28/11, has decided to approve the NDAA. (photo: Jason Reed/Reuters)

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President Obama agreed to sign the National Defense Authorization Act. That act will, for all intents and purposes, re-write key provisions of the Bill of Rights. This effort was wholly bipartisan. Here are the roll call votes: The Senate passed it 93-7, The House passed it 283-136 (w/14 Not Voting). - JPS/RSN your social media marketing partner


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+35 # Doubter 2011-12-15 12:44
This is a fine article but it should not have been necessary as we should all be (at least) screaming to high heavens over this unspeakable outrage. (it is the last nail in our coffin)

How long before RSN is shut down, or will it be allowed to continue as a safety valve or as a source of dissident names for the government?

Goodbye former USA!
+14 # noitall 2011-12-15 18:04
If RSN continues to have to beg for contributions, it'll be us that shuts it down, not the fascists. EVERYBODY, throw RSN a bone. They do good work.
+20 # MainStreetMentor 2011-12-15 21:39
"This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector."
Plato -

The capitulation is complete.
+9 # Rita Walpole Ague 2011-12-16 07:52
No doubt now, Doubter - the man for whom I worked so hard to get elected - OhBombAh - has finished us off.

My only hope - we the sheeple scream nationwide, with poorgirl/poorbo y taped into place after being made on computer and printed out windowstickers:

+34 # WarrenM 2011-12-15 12:50
It makes me sick to think I voted for this jerk.
+6 # Saberoff 2011-12-15 13:15
I didn't vote for this jerk. I voted for a different jerk (not McCain, either).

Today the Green Party is running Doctor Jill Stein for President of the United States. The new Justice Party (out of California) is running Mayor Rocky Anderson for same.

Shall we demand their voices be heard? And a fair election (be) held?
+23 # futhark 2011-12-15 14:11
I didn't vote for any jerk in 2008. I voted for Cynthia McKinney. Then-Senator Obama's vote for the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 Amendments Act of 2008 (aka FISA) told me that he was really an agent (or lackey) of the "security state" mentality and did not consider violation of the Constitutional rights of American citizens to be sufficient grounds for opposing such legislation.

Barack Obama is the epitome of the Manchurian candidate subservient to the interests of the military-indust rial security state complex. He has ethnic "minority" status and ostensibly belongs to the so-called liberal political party, which perfectly positions him to serve the interests of the plutocrats without attracting undue negative attention from uncritical admirers. Thus he can get away with murdering the Bill of Rights and still retain considerable political support for re-election in 2012.

...Or so he thinks.
+21 # Saberoff 2011-12-15 14:52
Doctor Jill Stein is running for president in 2012 on the Green Party ticket.

Mayor Rocky Anderson is running for president in 2012 on the (new) Justice Party ticket.

Demand they get heard on all debates.

Demand fair elections.
+8 # noitall 2011-12-15 18:02
Add those to the list of demands that are falling on deaf ears.
+3 # Okieangels 2011-12-15 18:47
Darby Richardson (D) is running and is already on the ballot in a few states.
+7 # noitall 2011-12-15 18:03
You didn't have a choice last time either.
+1 # bugbuster 2011-12-15 12:52
Not enough car chases, right?
-1 # bugbuster 2011-12-15 12:53
D'oh. My previous post replied to an article linked from this one, not this article.
+12 # bugbuster 2011-12-15 13:07
It must be that Obama is so dazzled by the trappings and of power and being courted by big shots that he thinks his successors will be all greatness and noble of spirit. Or something. Doesn't it occur to him that this likes of Newt could be in power, especially if Obama keeps slapping his base of supporters in the chops. I contributed my hard-earned cash to his election. Now I'm not so sure I'm even going to vote at all this time around. Like the bumper sticker: "Don't vote! It just encourages them!"
[The car chase reference in my previous post was meant for another article, not this one. My bad.]
+4 # Doubter 2011-12-16 12:18
I'm afraid voting not only encourages them; it LEGITIMIZES them.

You might give me a thumbs down for it, but the only time I've voted was in 1976 for Jimmy Carter, and that was just to cancel my Republican grandmother's vote for Gerald
Ford, Republican.
+8 # cadan 2011-12-15 13:15
One point that Scheer makes in the article is that there was far more discussion about this impending disaster online than in the main stream media (MSM).

Of course there are lots of reasons the MSM is so bad, including limited ownership, enormous conflicts-of-in terest, etc etc.

Maybe that's just fatal (and just too bad for us).

But could there be some technological/e conomic fix to choke off the MSM traitors? (For example, no licensing of the airwaves for broadcast? Or perhaps no copyright protection for anything sent over cable [to choke off incentives to grow huge cable networks]?)

There seems to be a problem when there are many listeners but only few speakers since the few speakers can be put under control more easily than if there were many.
+23 # Bruce Gruber 2011-12-15 13:20
With disbelief and sorrow I am shaking my head in wonderment. How can it be that I am so completely at odds with so many of our elected representative? How can they remain oblivious to the simple-mindedne ss of unwarranted fear and hateful, knee-jerk politics that maintain the pretense that there is nothing of 'value' in recognizing MANKIND? ...that, somehow "we" ONLY "are endowed by a creator" with ANYTHING, let alone "Rights"? ... that "our" PROFIT is somehow sacrosanct over any 'others' interests? ... or that imbuing the President with the RIGHT or AUTHORITY to indefinitely imprison WITHOUT TRIAL, REPRESENTATION OR ACCUSATION any American suspected of 'somehow, maybe, sorta' supporting an undefined, undeclared, unproved or, perhaps, even un-admitted "terrorist entity" somehow "preserves and protects" the Constitution, citizenry or principles of the United States of America. Things sure have changed in the half century since I studied history, law and government. Science and technology have lost any sense of universal goals and purpose and public service is decried as synonymous with shiftless waste. Politics, sport and business share similarities steroid-like qualities seeking victory at ANY cost and Vespasian defeat of your opponents. Where the HELL are we going? And WHY??
+16 # LessSaid 2011-12-15 13:42
We have no good choices for president in 2012. I hope this will be challenged in court.
+17 # conniejo 2011-12-15 14:12
It seems clear to me this is unconstitutiona l. I, too, hope for a court challenge, though it certainly won't do any good with five current SCOTUS members dancing to the corporate tune. It feels horrible to me to say it, but I keep hoping at least one of the corporate judges has to be replaced soon because of illness or, if necessary, death. Even if that happened, I no longer feel confident we could count on Obama to appoint someone who would uphold the Constitution rather than corporate greed.
+13 # noitall 2011-12-15 18:01
"I hope this will be challenged in court." Now here is an American with the audacity to hope. That and 10 million people in the street will get us somewhere.
+16 # noitall 2011-12-15 13:49
This should rally the fascists to get their act together and focus on a single candidate in order to get up to this trough. I wish I could say that my representative voted against it but NO, Rick (the prick) Larsen marched lock-step with the rest of the brown (white) shirts. I guess that sets it straight to those, based upon Bama's latest performance, that he is still on THEIR side AND THE NEXT 4 YEARS WILL BE MORE OF THE SAME. Are there any more building blocks to be laid in place to make the USA LESS secure? If trusting THEM is our only hope, we're DOOMED!!!!!!! Any questions about the tar sands pipeline?
0 # DPM 2011-12-15 21:45
+4 # John Locke 2011-12-16 14:46
Obama will sign the pipeline legislation simple listen to his nonsense, when he says he will veto it, he will really sign it into law, you can always tell when he is lying, his lips are moving...
+24 # conniejo 2011-12-15 13:58
This bill is more terrifying than the prospect of another 9/11!!! I've been on the fence, listening to the arguments of those who say we cannot vote for Obama because his actions are those of a conservative who supports corporate interests and those who say it isn't his fault that he hasn't been able to keep his promises because the Republicans thwart him at every turn. No longer. He made a promise to veto this evil bill, and he broke it. Would someone from the group that still trusts him explain to me how he could do this knowing that someone like Gingrich, Nixon, Bush, or worse could be sitting in his chair? The three most important rights we have are freedom of speech, habeas corpus, and the vote. We've now been thrown under the bus on all of them. If we do not take our government and our country away from those currently in power - both the President and Congress (with a few exceptions there) - in the 2012 elections, I fear we may as well burn the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and resign ourselves to Orwell's vision of life in "1984." Write in Elizabeth Warren for president in 2012!!
+11 # Okieangels 2011-12-15 18:53
Someone from the group that still trusts him? Well, they can't explain much from what I've seen, they just fawn and make cow-eyes when you mention him. I guess when the military comes knocking at their door, they'll consider their lives a sacrifice for his greatness.
+18 # cordleycoit 2011-12-15 14:30
Our representatives are nothing but shills and ling con-men. Our President is nothing but a terrified creature of the Chicago Machine.Once one loses the right to peaceful assembly and protest what is left?
+9 # noitall 2011-12-15 17:59
+7 # 2011-12-16 13:59
obama has got to go!
+8 # John Locke 2011-12-15 14:41
I have been saying all along Obama will sign any bill he is told to sign by his handlers, maybe now you can see that for your self... sadly the only way to save our republic is to destroy it first, and the only way to accompish that is to elect a republican and let him tear the country apart, at that point the majority will surely rise up...
+10 # noitall 2011-12-15 17:59
That seems to be the same flawed logic that Obama is following. How about getting out in the street and fighting them? Let them use OUR army against us. Will our military sons and fathers follow lock step like our so-called leaders? or will they join with military leadership that are generally against the throttling of our Bill of Rights. I think that our soldiers are patriotic and believe that this is a country of, by, and FOR the PEOPLE. Not all the cops in the street with us are 'white shirts'. We must believe that, otherwise we are doomed.
+3 # John Locke 2011-12-16 14:15
noitall, I respectfully disagree, in rememberance of Kent State and Jackson State, 1970 just a little over 40 years ago... (6) student killed on the two campases simply for peacefully demonstrating, also look at the history of this country and how we have dealt with peaceful movements, we kill protestors!!!!! look at the police brutality so far against OWS peaceful protest...our military will kill us if they are told too, and be assured they will be told to open fire...
+6 # OligarchyNot 2011-12-16 18:51
Maybe our own soldiers would hesitate to shoot Americans, but I doubt the army run by the company formerly known as Blackwater would have any qualms about shooting us. The majority of the soldiers in the Blackwater army are foreigners, and being the mercenaries they are, hold no allegiance to any country, nor are under the jurisdiction of any country.

My concern is that now the President can say anyone who smokes marijuana or uses any other street drug is supporting terrorism and use this new power of indefinite, unrepresented, detention to imprison drug-using Americans. They may use this for purely political reasons, such as in order to throw an election.

I now have no doubt that we are in the middle of a slow coup to overthrow a government of, by and for the People. Apparently, once elected, many politicians (most, but not all of them) change their allegiance from the Constitution to their party; then they become totally corrupted by lobbyists money and they start voting with their pocketbook (driven by the relentless demand of their parties to collect donations) instead of their democratic ideals , morals or independence of thought or opinion. I have to believe that this is either a concerted effort to overthrow our form of government or that we've elected people who are total buffoons (or both).

Our representatives have screwed us so badly that now they're afraid of us, as they should be.
+18 # John Locke 2011-12-15 14:50
Yes OWS scared the 1% and this bill is intended to quell our free speach and assembly rights. The banks control the government and Obama will declare any attempt to interfere with commerce, such as shutting down the ports a terrorists activity and the protestors will simply be arrested and vanish...
+18 # walt 2011-12-15 15:50
Although originally I was a loyal supporter, I have been often disappointed in Obama's willingness to concede to the Republican opposition that seems to control his administration.

The final "straw," however, is this failure to veto the Defense Authorization Bill that allows for the use of military against American civilians. This is an outrage and should have been opposed under all circumstances. It's shocking to think that we citizens could easily become the victims of our own military.

Added to this is his continued use of violence via drone attacks around the world that are making the US less safe and the object of scorn from other countries.

Obama is not the man of peace that I believed in in 2008.
+4 # RLF 2011-12-16 05:58
Obama is a Harvard Plutocrat or wanna be.
+2 # 2011-12-16 14:10
Obama is as self-serving, power-seeking and hypocritical as Gingrich--the main difference between the two is people expected more from a 'liberal" who ran on a ticket promoting "human rights".
Romney is looking more decent than either of them.
+6 # John Locke 2011-12-16 14:19
Walt, No one makes it to the white house without selling his soul to wall street... and Obama is no exception, we were all duped by this fool. We wanted a knight in shining armour to rise up against the evil that had seized our government, and we bought into his hitler type of mesmerism, now its time for all of us to awaken to the facts...we have been had once again...
+4 # universlman 2011-12-15 15:58
singin' by by miss american pie
+12 # DaveM 2011-12-15 16:53
When Mikhail Gorbachev came to power, my father wondered out loud, "wouldn't it be strange if the Soviet Union became like us and we became like them?" I'm glad he did not live to see his prophecy come true. Chances are it would have killed him.
+6 # John Locke 2011-12-16 14:23
Dave, many of us attempted to warn society about the Fed banking system in the late 60's and early 70's , and we were laughed at...if america had any intellect, that was the time to stop the takeover...but sadly america lacks an electorate with true intellect...
+7 # mjc 2011-12-15 17:04
Obama seems to assume that the level of competence among the Republican candidates for president mean he can continue to maintain his authoritarian control of the White House and our government. Where is he coming from if not from the bottom of the pile of candidates this season? We who think we are independents or liberals or left of center are supposed to have no choice. That attitude which I think is quite evident makes me furious with him. Living in New York I probably will be able to pass on the presidential selection in 2012 but this man only hurts any credentials he might have as a centrist, much less a liberal.
+5 # 2011-12-16 14:15
MJC: You sound like a JFK!Obama is the worst POTUS we have ever elected and he has to GO!He will do anything to get
re-elected and he has proven he cares nothing about the people or human rights.
+19 # Paul Scott 2011-12-15 17:13
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Marshal Law is already in the streets it’s just the cops that are being used, but in time the U.S. military will replace the cops; and the war for independence and all the other wars will have been for naught.
+9 # John Locke 2011-12-15 18:54
They will be fought again! maybe not right away, but at some future time! People are not meant to be slaves, but it takes a complete breakdown of government and dictatorial control before they rise up and through off their chains...
+1 # tomo 2011-12-19 22:44
Can I say, Paul, I hope you are wrong even if I think you are right? There we were hanging far out over the cliff, struggling desperately to regain balance. Just when it seemed all was lost, a smiling stranger emerged from nowhere and cast a saving rope 'round the body politic. In the eleventh hour, we were saved! But that looks now like the enchantment that comes of watching too many Westerns. It's looking increasingly probable that this time around WE ARE THE INDIANS!
+13 # colvictoria 2011-12-15 18:55
Where is @Billy Bob 's comment? So Billy Bob will you still vote for Obama the big bad liar this coming election?
I say why don't we all sit at home and NOT VOTE for anyone REP or DEM. Whoever gets any votes and wins will have to deal with the millions of us on the streets. They will have to build tons of FEMA camps to detain all of us. It's going to get bad really bad when the dollar collapses and the gov't can't print anymore worthless dollars and we cannot buy oil like before. Only then will people wake up to the fact that capitalism is a bankrupt system. I think Obama knows what is about to transpire in America and he wants to make sure that the law is in place to detain the "troublemakers" the 99% who are fed up with this so called DEMOCRACY!
I'm tired of people saying we have to elect the lesser of two evils. This whole system is corrupt to the core and those of you who are going to vote for Obama are going to be duped again. How much more abuse can we take? how many more of our civil rights will be stripped away? Does anybody wonder what all these troops will do when they come back from wars abroad? Fighting the war that is about to explode all across this country when we have 50% unemployment. They will be patrolling our neighborhoods when Martial Law is declared. There goes the REPUBLIC!
+3 # John Locke 2011-12-16 14:26
Very Perceptive, and an accurate assessment of will come...
+3 # mjc 2011-12-17 09:25
There have been posters on HuffPo who firmly believe that detention may be forthcoming very soon. Some buildings...nea r California are completely brand new and EMPTY and in other states as well. But the one thing I cannot see is Obama at the head of any eruption of people. I am not sure either...being a liberal rather than a revolutionary.. .that violent overthrow of any institution works toward democracy. I probably won't vote the top of the ticket in 2012, but I didn't in 2008; however, I live in New York and know that even voting a write-in has no effect, plus I'm not guaranteeing one of the Republican freaks the presidency either.
+17 # Aussieken 2011-12-15 19:10
I'm gobsmacked! I just cannot believe that America has come to this. "O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave." I think it is time for Americans to prove that. Forget about trying to convert the rest of the world to democracy and grab your democracy back from the people that have so let you down. Please- not only for your sake but for the rest of the world.Otherwise we all may be kissing our asses goodbye.
+18 # Carolyn 2011-12-15 19:51
How we cheered when Obama the orator promised us change. Was it "change you can believe in"< "Change you can count on" ? Just so they cheered Hitler when he first came into power.
+2 # futhark 2011-12-16 00:05
Scholar that Obama is supposed to be, he should have corrected the grammar in his slogan to "Change in which we can believe."

However, even though I'm not from Missouri, I'd like to see a bit more of that change that was promised in 2008. Slogans and other campaign promises need to be honored if a politician expects to retain support from the voting public.
+4 # John Locke 2011-12-16 14:31
We did get change we can believe in...we should have known, history has already shown us that the Democrats are able to pull off what Republicans only dream about, our political system does not work, it never has and has been fraught with corruption since the founding of this country. true democracy can only work if our elected officials have morals, and sadly they don't
+7 # J. Glenn Evans 2011-12-16 03:31
The American people are a bunch of damn fools if we let them trash our Constitution. We must change those in office and rescind the offensive laws that have trashed our Constitution.
J. Glenn Evans
+2 # carioca 2011-12-16 07:00
Christopher Hitchens died today.

I wonder what he would have said.
+4 # carioca 2011-12-16 07:45
Hitch was an asshole at times, but a much needed asshole. Especially when he took on much ballyhooed assholes such as The Pope, Mother Teresa, or that asshole preacher from Virginia, Jerry Falwell.
0 # 2011-12-16 14:20
Carioca; What;s wrong with Mother Theresa? She did a lot more for the US and cared a lot more about human beings than Obama. He is all about the politics of Self-aggrandize ment and using any means for the ebd.
+11 # MainStreetMentor 2011-12-16 09:10
The signing of the NDAA is the final nail in the constructed doorway to dictatorship. The spineless man with the ability to deliver inspirational, but hollow, words has placed the lethal dagger in the back of Democracy with a fountain pen. The fundamental and human rights that Revolutionary War paid for has been ground asunder. The architects of the doorway, the Karl Roves, the Koch Brothers, Ronald Reagans, George W. Bushes, Dick Cheneys and all those who support, or voted for them are the traitors of democracy and the assassins of America. President Obama was merely the puppet-hand which guided the knife.

The demise of Democracy took many years, beginning with the miscreant presidency of Ronald Reagan, but the erosion has been steady and constant, and there’s been no one to thwart that departure.

The capitulation is complete. Greed and avarice have won, and their march to completely eradicate our form of governance remains a runaway, downhill freight train.
+7 # John Locke 2011-12-16 14:39
Sadly you are right, Obama and a wanton congress afraid of what true democracy in the exercise of a basic right to protest could accomplish, and in order to protect that all important one percent, have placed the final nail in the coffin of America... it is only a matter of time before we see the soldiers manning posts in our neighborhoods.. . and civilian deaths simply for demanding non existant civil rights... keep in mind that this is occuring all across the world... and is part of what George HW Bush and kissinger referred to as the New World Order, its now here!!!
+4 # Buddha 2011-12-16 13:28
This has moved up my timetable on getting a blue-water capable cruising sailboat. Every authoritarian regime ultimately needs to close its borders as its own people try to flee their oppression. Anybody see the movie "The Godfather II"? When people eventually wake up and realize the Police State is finally here, it will be like that scene in the movie where the wealthy Cubans, at hearing Castro's forces would be in the capital within a day or two, all flooded to the marina to get on their boats to flee. As someone who has been to Occupy marches, and oppossed the 1%'s hold on the levers of political power, I expect I'll be one of the first thrown into a hole and never seen again unless I get the heck out of here first...
0 # KittatinyHawk 2011-12-16 19:00
Funny I just read todays statements and the people have changed their opinions again.
+1 # tomo 2011-12-19 22:33
Obama is steering you (and me) over the cliff. To re-nominate him would be nothing less than to position your foot on top of his and push the pedal to the metal.

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