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David Corn: "Obama won't be attending Cancun, nor will the heads of state of the other major players. We can hope that the thousands of delegates who are there trying to achieve some measure of progress - however insufficient - do find time to hit the beach, while the beach is still there."

Obama addresses world leaders at the Copenhagen Climate Conference, 12/18/09. (photo: AP)
Obama addresses world leaders at the Copenhagen Climate Conference, 12/18/09. (photo: AP)

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-13 # Bryce Johnson 2010-12-03 12:36
Maybe Obama has done something David Corn obviously has not: pay attention to the plethora of qualified scientific opinion that has recently surfaced that indicates that carbon dioxide cannot possibly have a controlling effect on world temperature
 
 
+4 # RealM5 2010-12-03 13:21
Oh yeah, I read those peer-reviewed articles in the scientific literature. It was the Journal of Irreproducible Results, I think.
 
 
-2 # for parity 2010-12-03 18:25
Corn might have been watching David Letterman talk to his mom the other night:

Nov 24th Late Show:

DAVID LETTERMAN: How are things in Indianapolis?

DOROTHY LETTERMAN: Things are very nice. It's been unseasonably warm.

DAVID LETTERMAN: How warm. How warm has it been? Like 20 degrees warmer than it should be?

DOROTHY LETTERMAN: About, yes, and it's very windy.

DAVID LETTERMAN: Yeah, well, that's that climate change. It's the global warming. You know that, mom? Do you believe in the climate change, in the global warming?

DOROTHY LETTERMAN: Not really. [audience laughter as David Letterman’s facial expressions show his disapproval]

Yes Dave, large cities, generate a lot of heat, absorb a lot of solar energy and warm as they grow.

I drew a circle around Indianapolis (40-60 miles or so) and looked up the temperature record from NASA's GISS site:

South-it's getting cooler: Shoals Highway 50 Bridge

West-no warming trend: Greencastle 1se

East-it's getting cooler: Cambridge City

North-it's looking cooler: Delphi 3nne
 
 
+5 # Dan Fletcher 2010-12-04 02:07
Quoting Bryce Johnson:
Maybe Obama has done something David Corn obviously has not: pay attention to the plethora of qualified scientific opinion that has recently surfaced that indicates that carbon dioxide cannot possibly have a controlling effect on world temperature

So tell us, what stupid nimrod fed you that line of bull? I'll match my plethora of qualified scientific opinion holders with yours any day. Let me guess: your list of scientists must include veterenarians, cosmotologists, phrenologists, phlebotomists and accupuncturists with a smattering of alchemists...al l qualified to venture an opinion.
 
 
-7 # Christopher Marlowe 2010-12-03 13:12
I know everyone who read ReaderSupported news has an open mind and isn't a Robot that does what the MainStream Media (MSM) dictates. Fox News watchers stare blankly at the screen and do what O'Reilly suggests, but RSNews readers Weigh the evidence with reason and without bias. We don't just snap to attention when Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow speak.

I studied environmental law and the Clean Air Act. I voted for Al Gore, and I saw his movie TWICE. I believed in global warming.

And then I found out about Goldman Sachs and Al Gore standing to make billions of dollars from trading carbon credits; Then I saw all of the evidence released from the East Anglia emails: not only was there evidence of evasion, but also a computer code that showed how past warming periods would be minimized and current periods accentuated into a "hockey stick" pattern. Professor Phil Jones even admitted that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – and that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming. (Daily Mail UK 2/14/10)

So when David Corn talks about Beaches, I think: "Hasn't this beach read any of the CRU emails?"
 
 
+6 # Larry Spencer 2010-12-03 15:03
I consider myself an independent on this matter. I'm not paid by the anti-forces nor do I have grants to study climate change. But, I have been studying the area for about half of my career (43 years) and am presently teaching a course on global climate change. There is no way that CO2 can be implicated in initiating climate change. Those changes are due to celestial mechanics and solar pulses. However, CO2 is a greenhouse gas and a facilitator of climate change. If the responders to the website would read the primary scientific literature, they would realize that we are now experiencing and will experience even more dramatic climatic changes. Folks in the past could and did survive dramatic changes. Luckily there were fewer of them and there were more places to bury the unsuccessful survivors. The last decade has statistically been the warmest in the last 100 years. The hockey stick is real. Go study principal component analysis if you want confirmation.
 
 
-6 # for parity 2010-12-03 18:14
Gee, you were doing so well - until you got to the silly hockey stick. It's a fraud. Yes, it's not only been getting warming for the past 100 years - it's been getting warmer for about the last 300-400 years; ever since the end of the Little Ice Age. Before that it was getting cooler for a few hundred years, and next - sometime soon?? - it will get colder for hundreds of years, if the historic repeated mini climate change cycles continue as that have rather repeatedly since the end of the last Great Ice Age - some 10-12,000 yrs ago.

Right now, I'm going to lean to listen to the numerous scientists who have walked out on the IPCC recently, and the wise words of super intelligent, folks like the eminent progressive thinker and physicist Freeman Dyson, who says that climate models are pure bunk.

Meanwhile, winter is rolling in with a vengence. Seems to be leaning that way, the past few years - has the cycle begun?
 
 
+2 # Ken Hall 2010-12-03 20:01
Celestial mechanics and solar pulses. That's so simple that even I can understand it now.
 
 
-2 # Dickinseattle 2010-12-03 19:44
All good progressive (not liberal) comments. Sun spot cycles seem to be the best short term indicators, but solar and Earth orbit cycles, along with related solar wind issues effecting cloud forming cosmic ray impacts, seem to be the far more likely candidates for short and long term climate changes. Of course, it is the killer cooling cycles we have to worry about not the warming ones. As for Corn, isn't he the one that called the election thefts by Republicans of the previous Presidential races "conspiracy theories"?
 
 
+3 # Ken Hall 2010-12-04 00:27
Can you provide links for these new theories of global warming (orbit cycles and solar wind)? They sound pretty kooky to me but I'll keep an open mind until I've consulted the literature.
 
 
0 # brianf 2010-12-05 16:55
I can guarantee you that IF the links are ever provided, they will be full of distortions, mistakes, and/or lies. I've looked into claims like this many, many times, and every single time there were huge flaws, and usually deliberate distortions.

The effect of sunspot activity is very small compared to CO2. Some of the warmest years of the past 130 years had virtually no sunspot activity at all. The world would be cooling right now if the orbital cycles were the only cause of global temperature change.
 
 
+6 # Ice Breaker 2010-12-04 00:19
I've hauled scientists to the North Pole who have been going to sea in the Arctic longer than I've been alive. They all say the same thing. The loss of ice and the warming in their lifetimes is frightening.

So just drive your SUV's, wallow in denial, and don't change a thing you're doing if it means putting down the remote and spitting out the cheeze doodles.

But if you live within a hundred feet of sea level, and are under 80 years old, you might consider moving inland a bit.

Ice Breaker
 
 
+5 # genierae 2010-12-04 09:57
Ice Breaker: The problem with these deniers continuing their harmful behavior is that they are dragging us along with them. We who are awake, are being held hostage by those who are asleep, and we even have to endure their smirks.
 
 
+3 # lisa d. 2010-12-04 13:28
Quoting Ice Breaker:
I've hauled scientists to the North Pole who have been going to sea in the Arctic longer than I've been alive. They all say the same thing. The loss of ice and the warming in their lifetimes is frightening.

So just drive your SUV's, wallow in denial, and don't change a thing you're doing if it means putting down the remote and spitting out the cheeze doodles.

But if you live within a hundred feet of sea level, and are under 80 years old, you might consider moving inland a bit.

Ice Breaker


that's what gets me, Ice Breaker ... doesn't anyone believe in "erring on the side of caution" even if it means a bit of a lifestyle change?
 
 
+5 # heinz 2010-12-04 02:17
Worldwide, glaciers are melting severely and some have disappeared. Some islands in the Pacific had to be evequated due to rising sea levels. Aren't these undeniable indications of global warming?
 
 
+1 # brianf 2010-12-05 17:11
Yes, and there are many more indications. Anyone who has been reading the latest scientific studies (not the propaganda funded by the fossil fuel companies and right-wing groups, but real, peer-reviewed papers) knows that the majority indicate that the situation is worse than the 2007 IPCC report said, in some areas much worse. There are many indications the current levels of CO2 are enough to make temperatures rise much more than previously thought.

We are in a crisis situation right now, with very little time before huge catastrophes become unavoidable. But few people are willing to admit this, and fewer are willing to do what needs to be done to prevent the catastrophes. That is denial.

A president's primary duty is to protect his country from threats. By not making our greatest threat his primary concern, Obama is falling far short. He also is in a state of denial, not denying global warming itself, but denying how urgent and dangerous the situation is.

We can't wish or hope our way out of this. We have to face reality, whether we like it or not, and make the difficult changes reality demands.
 
 
+2 # tomo 2010-12-04 20:42
It shouldn't surprise anyone that Obama is not going to Cancun. And judging from the comments above, it doesn't surprise anyone. I think I saw Obama mentioned twice only--with the second mention being a quote of the first; and this, in spite of his name being the first word of Corn's headline. Maybe it's yesterday's news: Obama turns out to be a Trojan horse. On almost any issue you can name, he is playing on same side as the people he complained about in his campaign. He is one of the most adroit con-men (right up there with Benedict Arnold) we have seen in American history.

You may say then: "Why is it that Republicans are opposing him so vociferously?" That's an easy one: they never have been very intelligent.
 

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