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The Capital Times: "Americans have fought and died in pursuit of noble and necessary causes. It is right to celebrate their memory. But is right, as well, to recognize that not all wars are noble and necessary. And when a war is not justified, it is time to honor the troops by bringing them home."

US soldiers bow their heads in a moment of silence, 05/30/11. (photo: Allen J. Schaben/LAT)
US soldiers bow their heads in a moment of silence, 05/30/11. (photo: Allen J. Schaben/LAT)

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+15 # rm 2011-05-30 09:48
The editorial says, "The best way to “support the troops” who have been placed in harm’s way in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya is to bring them home."

Of course this is true. But the phrase "in harm's way" is simply stupid beyond belief. It is rather the peoples of poor nations like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Syria and many others who are "in harm's way." US troops are the "harm" in the world. How can someone who kills from a long distance with missiles, cannons, sniper rifles, drones be "in harm's way."

We all need to stop using the propaganda phrases of the military industrial complex. It muddies thought and conceded the frame or the context of the discussion to the war makers. It is hard to persuade anyone to bring the troops home when you admit that there is "harm" out there in places like Afghanistan. "Harm" easily translates to terror, and the US has pledged to fight until all terror in the world is eliminated. We need to shift the frame of discourse. The presence of US troops in Afghanistan, Libya (special ops, air force, and missiles), and other places is creating the "harm." If they were brought home, the harm/terror would diminish tremendously.

Be careful about language. All journalists must know this.
+15 # fredboy 2011-05-30 09:49
We are engaged in three "wars of whim" resulting in great profits for those supplying the mayhem. Yet we have wrapped each "war" in the flag, so most fall in line and salute. In prior years we called such thinking folly; today we know it is likely ruinous. Bear in mind also that we are now locked in to a commitment to endless conflict, both domestic and on the killing fields. This our "united" foundation is fractured and the weeds of destruction have found secure footing. Now sit back and for a moment envision the United States 40 years from now. And continue to sit on your behind and let what you envision happen...
+1 # Dave W. 2011-05-30 23:11
fredboy, Calvin Coolidge once famously said, "the business of America is business." That was after Morgan, Baruch, Rockefeller, Hill, and other megalomaniacs discover war indeed was a profitable affair if you were in an advantageous position. We muddled in the affairs of many South and Central American countries in the 20's and 30's, turned the Philippines into a U.S. owned territory and then finally discovered in WW11 that war was extremely profitable to those who had no concern for the human carnage involved. Despite momentary outbreaks of peace we've never really looked back. Now, the war on terror, a shadowy, clandestine affair that has no discernible ending will keep this "empire" perdurably engaged in conflict for as long as the profits roll in. We will bring the troops home. Mentally and physically scarred, torn limb from limb and hidden in flag draped coffins which the elite will exalt before retiring to the country club for another round of martini's. God Bless America.
+1 # boudreaux 2011-05-31 10:25
+11 # jlohman 2011-05-30 10:03
If we’ve learned anything in the last year it’s that, if left alone, countries like Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, and Libya will solve their own problems. The same way America did over two centuries ago… with rebellion and civil war.

We just need to get out of the way… bring our troops home … and station them on the border with Mexico. (Now there’s a country that needs help.)

jack Lohman
+8 # rm 2011-05-30 10:51
I agree with you that we should leave nations alone to determine their own policical futures. This is the meaning of "self-determina tion" -- a political principle most Americans used to believe in.

But in the cases of Libya and Syria (but also Egypt, too) the uprisings were not genuinely democratic. They were started and run by US covert operations. In Libya especially, the US has armed and controlled the rebels from the start. See the excellent article here --
+12 # mtnview 2011-05-30 10:54
Jack, I live in Mexico. This country is doing very well, thanks. The GDP her is 5% and growing, there is a rising educated middle class, there is opportunity for entrepreneurs. And there is oil. The only problem Mexico really has is the gun runners and drug users of the US. If anyone needs to build a wall, it should be Mexico. Ask yourself why there is such an effort by the US media to only report the bad news, to make it seem that the entire country of Mexico is under seige, which is simply not true. Its to keep US dollars in the US, to pressure Mexico into sharing more of its oil reserves (already at 60%) with the US. Mexico is on the way up, the US is on the way down. STop believing what the media reports about Mexico. There is more random death and violence in Chicago, LA, or New Jersey on a given day than there is in Mexico in a week.
+3 # Dave W. 2011-05-30 15:17
mtnview, Fascinating and enlightening. Is the U.S. based violence reported in the Mexican media? It IS frightening to hear of decapitations and mass murders. But your analogy makes sense. We are SO manipulated here in U.S. as to what info media dishes out. It seems the legalization of marijuana in U.S. would certainly help combat drug lords in Mexico. Perhaps that's the way U.S. officials want it. I'll do some research. Thanks!
0 # KittatinyHawk 2011-06-01 11:14
It is US Drug Policy and Politicians kids and their immunities that keep the Powders flowing into USA. Guns would not be surprised if NRA and GOP aren't sponsoring that to keep their image of guns alive.

There are some areas no different than ours that needs to Police itself and does by getting rich.
If DEA and other Ops did their job, got powders out of USA we would not need to worry about overspending by threatening other people. Our Borders should not look like Israel. As far as I remember Mexico was here before USA as we know it.

Economy of Mexico did well because our government took our jobs away, our Unions away and sold us out. Now many of these Companies want to come back so we will see Entrepreneurial how well this works. We are the best work force in the world, cheap, more doesnot make best!
0 # boudreaux 2011-05-31 10:28
Where you been, we did not leave those countries alone, we got in their business too.
+11 # Blast Dorrough 2011-05-30 11:23
General Smedley Butler, one of four war heroes to twice wear the Congressional Medal of Honor, revealed the real reason for American wars. On August 21, 1931 General Butler gave a speech at an American Legion convention in Connecticut and exposed the evil of Corporatecraft holding a corruptive and greedy spell over our constitutional Republic:

"I spent 33 years . . .being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism. . . .
I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1916. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City [Bank] boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the rape of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. . . .
In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested....I had...a swell racket. I was rewarded with honours, medals, promotions....I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate a racket in three cities. The Marines operated on three continents." -- Cited from "The Corporation" by Joel Bakan at page 93.
+5 # Rara Avis 2011-05-30 11:27
The nation is permanetly at war. It is endless. Since 2001 we have been fighting.

Our leaders must tell us plainly and especialy President Obama, why we must continue the fight in these places?

As an infomred citizen I do not know or could not tell a foreigner why we remain in Agfhanistan for the simple reason I do not know myself. I don't think many of our leaders do either. The camps that supported the attack on 911 are gone. The people who did that are dead, dying in the actual terrorist acts of that day. Osama Bin Laden is dead.

A hundred thousand troops are not needed to continue to search for those who remain. I do not know why we are fighting three endless wars. I love our young people who are the troops.

But until I get a direct specific answer as to why, I refuseto support any of these wars and I want our people home to defned us right here.
+4 # Saberoff 2011-05-30 17:41
Oil Pipeline.
0 # boudreaux 2011-05-31 10:36
+5 # futhark 2011-05-30 14:47
Nobody wins political office in the United States of America without kow-towing to the myths about "honoring the troops", "supporting those in harm's way", and other American imperialist slogans and policies. Their campaigns are supported and expedited by the military-indust rial complex, which profits immensely from the continuance of aggressive mayhem against "terrorism".

Read Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four if you want an explanation of why and how their game is played.

Until people start to wake up to the extent to which their credulousness has been exploited and abused for the profit of those who torture and kill, the wars will continue unabated.
+1 # RICHARDKANEpa 2011-05-30 23:00
Lincon's birthday and Armistice Day disappeared into President's day and Memorial Day.

Armistice Day was a time of cheering far bigger than the recent cheering that the war against terror was over.

After World War II when the Germans cheered US GI's packed their bags and started home. Orders only changed after the fact. Today the problem is that far more people need to cheer the war against terror is over.

The new Charles Manson's Helter Skelter world can hurt us no more. Though I wish bin Laden was alive the way Manson is.

See, A Miracle Almost Happened a world at peace.
+1 # boudreaux 2011-05-31 06:20
So many people say read this or read that but we don't have to read anything to know in our guts that Bin Laden is dead and now we have no reason to be there. Our job is done there and we need to bring our troops home and start to rebuild our country. we are in a war of our own over losing Social Security and so many other things unless we bring em home and lets create those jobs that we need in this country. We need our infrastructures rebuilt and our water and sewer systems taken care of. There are jobs that can be created here that can make this country beautiful again and stronger than it ever has been before but we have to bring them home in order to do this and not continue to let them die over there...
0 # KittatinyHawk 2011-06-01 11:16
We will always have an enemy as long as the Puppet Masters have the strings

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