
Tom Hayden opens his letter to Rep. Peter King: "I am hoping you will reconsider your call to place WikiLeaks on the list of foreign terrorist organizations. I would hope that as chair of the Homeland Security Committee you would take a more responsible approach than many of your Republican and conservative colleagues who are calling for the assassination of Julian Assange."
Rep. Peter King, (R-NY), 09/08/10. (photo: Getty Images)
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First up Joe Lieberman.
Main stream reporters, if there's any left, get of you're @sses and do you're jobs exposing these self appointed kings.
Keep on keeping on, Dave.
Have you seen the latest semi-threats to possible future diplomats and students to not read any WikiLeak info?
The conversations I've had about the lack of citizen interest have been quite clear and succinct, but those were in private. To state it in a public forum is not yet acceptable and folks I know don't want to appear too negative. Out of 300 million people there are only a handful that want to be informed and who desire a cohesive citizenry. It just isn't possible.
So what is the point of my rant? Simply that like minded souls such as you and I, Glen, karenvista, activista, Harold Mencher, genierae, et al need to get serious about getting involved at the grass roots level more and more.
So, here is my challenge: I dare us one and all to DO something to organize. We're practically neighbors Dave. Time to brainstorm. Are you up to the challenge?
The point that I'm trying to make here is that our Supreme Court, with lifetime positions all, and the Citizens United decision, can destroy any efforts made at the grassroots level.
As we have discussed, it might be best to begin on a local level. How about slowly producing information on the level we see here or printing out the PNAC and Patriot Act to leave, say, in the dentist or doctor's office. Participating in community projects, such as community gardens where casual conversation could lead to national concerns. I have been astounded at folks when they have given opinions that are much as we read here - and I live in the buckle on the bible belt of conservatism. These folks were thrilled to have a listener.
How about some suggestions from others!
In the same vein, the PDF file titled "Rebuilding America's Defenses" under the umbrella of the PNAC website is 90 pages long & would be somewhat difficult to leave in various professional offices, let alone read. Ref the following URL:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
It would be better to refer people to the website itself, to very specific areas, like reading the upper-left-hand corner para on page 51 of the document concerning the need for another Pearl Harbor.
The PDF file on the above ref website can be saved as a PDF document on your computer hard drive by simply clicking the floppy disc icon. The 2nd point of interest would be the signatory page.
I have numerous DVDs and even contribute to Pilots for 9/11 Truth. I shall make copies of these sites and DVD you suggest, in leaflet form. A copy of both the PNAC and PA are on file in my home.
However, I've had little success with getting folks to pursue that information much less watch a DVD. Perhaps leaving just a list of these sources with folks and perhaps a small portion of the PNAC and PA, with, as you suggest, the signatures.
Folks do seem to prefer hard copy, often, but younger people tend to go for online and video.
Thanks again.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
I would also suggest that they just general peruse anything and everything that is under the PNAC homepage:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
This would be the best way to tell the American people and the world what the U.S. has planned, and what it has been doing since the false-flag event of 9/11, world hegemony.
I would also suggest that people watch, as a minimum, two documentaries concerning the events of 9/11:
"9/11 Press for Truth"
"911 Ripple Effect - Lies, Propaganda, and a Call for Justice"
The URL sites and the documentaries that I mention in this posting as well as in my last posting should be, as a minimum, the information that the American people need to look at and watch.
Yeah, I know. Maybe the turn out would be miniscule, but maybe not. But I'm willing to work with even a tiny group to start. Word of mouth might result in further opportunities.
I will credit you as a resource should I publish. You've been a real help!
So I'm brand spanking new at all of this but perhaps my naivety will carry me past the mine fields that would drive some away! One can hope. What is certain for myself is that the alternative is doing nothing. I cannot, will not abide by this. Those in power have become so evidently untrustworthy that I've given up on them. I did participate in labor organizing years ago. Maybe what is needed is a voters union! Common discontent could draw huge numbers. What say you?
Yes, any group, whether state, local, or national, could easily be either taken over by major political entities, or squashed outright. Therefore, a bit of local subversion might be in order. One person at a time, one day at a time. Meetings, if possible.
Even if it fails you would have that confidence you seek in knowing you did your darnedest.
Came in to to late to get in on discussion, but have read PNAC and reserched 9-11, and I'm onboard and ex-military. As you, Dave W., and others have pointed out, not enough are. We live in a country of sheep. Our forfathers gave us a republic, told us it was up to us to keep it. We have failed miserably.
I have expressed dismay over the condition of the U.S. numerous times, but have also expressed concern that the little republic we once were is now too huge to carry on as intended. In the sixties I wrote a paper for graduate school on government revision. In the sixties, mind you. Things are much worse now, with little possibility of countering the powers against us.
if you stay in afghanistan, you will suffer defeat and ruin.
do yourself a favor and get out while u can
Thanks to all that diplomatic gossip, war with Iran is closer and North Korea may become more paranoidly insane, adding China to it’s list of villains.
Salon and Talking Point knows better,
www.www.salon.com/technology/dan_gillmor/2010/11/29/wikileaks_a_few_questions
www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/11/beyond_manning.php
Also see,
http://www.phillyimc.org/en/wilkileaks-not-heroic
Hopefully they can find a way to prevent you and the NY Times and our system of laws from being destroyed with excess punishment.
Some think it's all an Israeli plot to destroy Iran and get Ayad Allawi not Maliki to head Iraq, and to get someone less friendly with Iran than Karzai the head of Iran. But I think
Julian Assange like Rush Limbaugh think publicity is success.
Thank you Mr. Hayden.
I'm not a shill for the NSA or the CIA, but I am a realist and I do pay attention and think things through before I grab my 45 or my computer keyboard. The problem with Wikileaks is it's self-arrogated authority which is at least as egregious as the plots hatched over at the Department of State. Write about that why don't you?
.. I appreciate having the low-lifes and dirty-dealing - dirty-leg lying politicians statements and quips laid out for the sun to shine on!
... I am fed up with the decades of lies, schemes, and scams all done with the money of the working people, who are scratching for a living, trying to keep a roof over their heads.. some living in storm drains or under bridges..while the politicos live like potentates and princes ON OUR MONEY... while they lie and lie and lie.....
.. I have "given the situation a LOT of thought" and I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE: "The self-arrogated authority" of Wikileaks is very welcome!!!!
I fear the US drifting toward executing at will. Will stoning & whipping be that far behind? I think Salon and Talking Points make that less likely, not your complaints,
www.salon.com/technology/dan_gillmor/2010/11/29/wikileaks_a_few_questions
www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/11/beyond_manning.php
Also see, www.phillyimc.org/en/wilkileaks-not-heroic
Some say it’s Israel trying to replace Maliki with Allawi & Karzai with someone not sympathetic to Iran. But I think Julian Assanage like Rush Limbaugh confuses publicity with success. Whatever is involved, thank to Wilkileaks we can all hate each other more.
I hope Talking Points &Salon speak out against Rep. King's overreaction, Hayden could be fanning the flames
I fear the US drifting toward executing at will. Will stoning & whipping be that far behind? I think Salon and Talking Points make that less likely, not your complaints,
www.salon.com/technology/dan_gillmor/2010/11/29/wikileaks_a_few_questions
www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/11/beyond_manning.php
Also see, www.phillyimc.org/en/wilkileaks-not-heroic
Some say it’s Israel trying to replace Maliki with Allawi & Karzai with someone not sympathetic to Iran. But I think Julian Assanage like Rush Limbaugh confuses publicity with success. Whatever is involved, thank to Wilkileaks we can all hate each other more.
I hope Talking Points &Salon speak out against Rep. King's overreaction, Hayden could be fanning the flames
If king does get wikileaks put on the terrorist list, I will immediately send a contribuion. If everyone who believes in open government and accountable government also aids them, they can't put half the country in jail. Then, who will be the greatest terrorist organization on earth?
Tom Hayden intended this for us as well as King, so we would know what to do. We need to send copies to the WH about such foolishness. We know it's entirely possible.
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So here ya go - do we make a stand against some very powerful entities or do we retreat and await the endgame.
Individuals must decide. Once the door gets bashed down with armed teams pouring through it, I suspect citizens will lose hope.
I understand vacillating between both sides of national issues and possible dangers. Yes, we might lose in the end, but making a stand just might not mean a physical action in defense of hearth and home.
What has anyone heard of the NAFTA Highway or the concentration camps being built - those were of great concern a year and more ago. Even if individuals do not understand or believe these things were "on the table", it certainly raises a level of the paranoia of WHAT IF.
I'm not convinced that losing everything, or even a little is worth it in the grand scheme and agenda of the U.S. government. Intellectually I am greatly offended by our government and the immorality displayed. Spiritually I don't belong in that patriotic group that clings to country or the need for unbridled chauvinism or the need to sacrifice to fight them.
As I said once before, we are free agents in the world, no matter our responsibilitie s to family and friends. We are not responsible for having been born in the U.S. We do not have to participate in any of the nastiness. On the other hand, said nastiness could be visited upon our community and homes. That just might make the most difference in a greater decision to act, as you said in your last sentence.
http://sandrahanksbenoiton.wordpress.com/2010/12/02/julian-assange-in-red-and-green/
Many in government have made enormous profits from the endless war. They are too stupid to realize that they have undermined the very foundation of the Republic for which they may have once stood. They are tainted and immoral people and trying to deal with them otherwise is a waste of time.
The American people need to know the truth, the real truth and not the spin being spewed forth by both of the major parties. The taint has spread to all levels of government and is now cloaked in patriot sentiments that serve only to further bury the truth and reality of who these peoople are and what they stand for. And I can assure you it is not for the good of their country or the people who are most greviously affected by their immoral actions.
Justice Hugo L. Black
peace
Patrick Henry
John F. Kennedy
Is WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange a Hero? Glenn Greenwald Debates Steven Aftergood of Secrecy News
I think Glenn Greeenwald convincingly presents the case for Wikileaks release of recent documents and says that Wikileaks are not responsible for changing the world - we are.
Keep your eyes on the prize! And the prize is humanity! For the human race belong to all of us! As Bertrand Russell says: “Remember your humanity and forget the rest.” Because if you do not, only darkness lies ahead. But YOU, our new generation, have seen the DAWN of a new order and the order belong to the human race — not to George Bush, not to Tony Blair, or any one of these so-called ‘gods’ — you know, these ‘new gods’ — now it belong to you all! I am over 70, and I am saying, you keep the faith, brother!""
World Teacher Maitreya in guise as reported in Share International magazine April 2003
I will not purchase anything from you while you maintain your stance toward Wikileaks which is censorship and inconsistent with our Constitutional principles and a form of state terrorism Reverse your decision to shut down WikileaksIt will show your committment to free speach and the fundamentals of a democracy judith lockard
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There is little danger that Secretary Clinton will die of embarrassment.
I ask that Congress, either house or senate, have a hearing and publicize who are the good and who are the bad. AND, that several actions be taken:
1. Less secrecy on such matters.
2. Dammit, punish the bad side.
Julian, unfortunately for all of us, the bad side is in complete control of not only the U.S. government, but many other world governments as well, and it's only probably going to get much worse.
Without an 'informed populace' there is no democracy. Soon we will have only corporate 'news' media and, like China, not be able to access internet sites.
I seem to have spent my long life fighting the secret government and Corporate propoganda. All the good creative projects are ridiculed or ignored. There is a huge dedicated underground making positive changes, and smart enough to stay invisible. This experiment in Democracy has failed. The new murderous aristocracy rules. Back to square 1.
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Bas, it won't matter if the people in the world actually wake up to the truth of it all because the people in power, the people who actually make the decisions that we all have to live on a daily basis, will do exactly what they want anyway, regardless, because they can get away with it. They have their police and their military so brainwashed, so well trained, both physically and mentally, and they have the people of their countries so fractured and divided, that the common folk of all nations do not really have any chance to force change.
One good example, besides the United States, is Canada, the U.S.'s neighbor to the north. Stephen Harper, the Prime Minister of Canada, has, for all intents and purposes, become a virtual dictator, and the Canadians don't seem to have the power or the wherewithal to get rid of him and put someone decent in his place.
The Bushies and the rest of the SOBs have been planning the takeover of the US, as well as other countries, for 100 years. They have everything so tied up and if we try to fight them they will find us and eradicate us. (Googles TerraFirma will be put to good use.) Blackwater is all over the US and probably the rest of the world. If people in this country rise up we will be met by Blackwater AND Kent state will look like a picnic.
I'm sorry to sound so pessimistic, but look around you and you will find nothing that says these people care for nothing buy money and power and will do ANYTHING to get it.
Read Baker's book.
A coward dies a thousands deaths, but the hero dies but once. What we are facing is a Cabal (cartel, syndicate, 'conspiratorial organization' [cover your ears, virgins]), more-or-less in de facto control of Europe & America since Napoleonic times. Now, some 2 centuries later, they've got nearly all the bases (elected reps. and other 'public servants') covered [anything money can buy], and are- apparently (one should add)- attempting to make that traditional background of 'de facto' dominance official, above board 'de jure'.
Obviously, anyone with at least half a brain should not submit to it... a would-be official global regime where "anarchy" is the worst word imaginable in the vocabulary, and 'Muslim', 'China', and (to a lesser extent) black Africa the worst imaginable people & places in the world- these 3 being, of course, the 3 main regions and peoples of the world that are not completely under the thumb of the 'independent central bank' and global currency-based globo-cabal.
Wise up. 'They' just keep making their intentions louder & clearer, day after day.
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