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Tim Rutten begins: "President Obama pledged a return to constitutionality, but the case of Faisal Shahzad shows how difficult that will be and how ambivalent the Obama administration seems to be."

Accused 'Times Square Bomber' Faisal Shahzad, 05/04/10. (photo: Reuters)
Accused "Times Square Bomber" Faisal Shahzad, 05/04/10. (photo: Reuters) your social media marketing partner


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+6 # Daniel Fletcher 2010-10-10 00:10
Let the race for the negative red numbers begin!

I say we release every single accused terrorist detained by any branch of the government whose detainment involved torture of the suspect or any witness or renditioning of the suspect or any witness to another country for any period of time. All evidence against them is tainted and arguably inadmissable in any court. Given the illegal actions committed against them, pay every last one of them a handsome reparation payment and transport them to any place of their choosing. Justice against these suspects has been made completely impossible and every additional day of their detention is arguably legally unwarranted.

If we can't fight terrorism without becoming terrorists ourselves we have forfeited our right to prosecute terrorism.

It's time we came clean and restored the rule of law. If we will not prosecute the abuse of our own powers we are not fit to prosecute the same abuses committed by others. We need to recommit to justice.
+3 # Peacedragon 2010-10-10 04:27
I can't remember when I was proud to be an American.
+5 # jawbone grouch 2010-10-10 15:11
We already stand judged in the eyes of the world.

Release all of the terorists; deport them to their respective countries; justice was lost with the "non"- torture of Cheney/Bush.

We are saddled with that shame.
Apologize to the world.
And vow never to transgress the Constitution of The United States again.
-1 # forparity 2010-10-11 08:31
More perspective here to start this charade. Clinton admin set the stage for extraordinary rendition and torture of those we captured.

Considering what was going on prior to 9/11, would we not expect the folks in charge when it happened to step it up a bit?

Al Gore's earlier view - Richard Clarke's book (Against All Enemies):

- Snatches, or more properly "extraordinary renditions," were operations to apprehend terrorists abroad, usually without the knowledge of and almost always without public acknowledgement of the host government.. The first time I proposed a snatch, in 1993, the WH Counsel, Lloyd Cutler, demanded a meeting with the President to explain how it violated international law. Clinton had seemed to be siding with Cutler until Al Gore .. Gore laughed and said, "That's a no-brainer. Of course it's a violation of international law, that's why it's a covert action. The guy is a terrorist. Go grab his a--."

Bad Bush - nice Gore?
+2 # Daniel Fletcher 2010-10-11 19:02
Very interesting forparity, but...does the fact that renditions were done before Bush make them right? I think not. Frankly, if prosecuting Bush, et al, meant have to prosecute Clinton and Gore, I'd say "so be it". Nothing that is wrong is ever made right based on who first committed the act, and if renditions are still going on Obama is just as guilty and eligible for prosecution.

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