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There appears to be a feud brewing between Karl Rove (the old guard GOP) and Sarah Palin (the new guard/Tea Party GOP), and it bears watching.

Sarah Palin and Karl Rove appearing on Fox News, 11/16/10. (images: Fox News)
Sarah Palin and Karl Rove appearing on Fox News, 11/16/10. (images: Fox News) your social media marketing partner


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+14 # Steve Horneffer 2010-11-17 00:18
The teabaggers are disturbing the institutional corruption the Wingers have worked so hard, and successfully, on for the past 30 odd years. No wonder Rove is alarmed.
+26 # John Gulino 2010-11-17 00:22
"Plus the fact that they can bank on the timidity of most men, who are so absolutely spooked by feminism that they are afraid to criticize her" Sarah Palin is a woman, and a mother, and I'm sure she has a uterus and a vagina, but she has absolutely no relationship whatsoever with feminism. Men are afraid to criticize her because any sort of criticism helps to keep her in the public eye, and she can respond to almost any sort of criticism by spouting some sort of absurdity about how she is being picked on by the liberal intellectual elite. And her supporters will believe it.
+12 # kelly 2010-11-18 10:17
Really John! So true. How many men did we see "spooked by feminism" so much that they were afraid to criticize Hilliary, huh? Nobody seems to remember her although I do seem to recall that gender-wise they are similar. The difference: one has the brains to respond, the other has a sound byte and the palm of her hand. Who can criticize while they are laughing so hard.
+17 # David R Velasquez 2010-11-17 00:31
Without the nazis?
+7 # christine craft 2010-11-17 09:51
very must really research the Sound of get the nuance here.
+30 # Eddie K 2010-11-17 00:36
+11 # Anna 2010-11-17 10:47
Quoting Eddie K:

Here's hoping, Eddie, here's hoping...
+6 # Mike K 2010-11-18 14:03
Here's hopeing the self destruct by running headlong into a wall called the lair's paradox before the finish destroying the USA.
+3 # cynibunny 2010-11-19 20:36
Unfortunately, that is our opinion. That is, we liberals, or we educated people, overlook the very real fact that logical contradictions and what used to be termed 'flip-flopping' on issues do not matter if your marketing budget allows for saturation of your message. The right wing is mining the sensationalist (re: Society of the Spectacle) appetite.
+20 # toni 2010-11-17 00:36
Let's pamper Sarah. I'm even thinking of working on her campaign in 2012. In the 2008 election, she was a gift from God.
+4 # Mike Comfort 2010-11-18 23:32
As I believe Mark Twaine once said "better to be thought a fool and keep quiet than to say something and remove all doubt". Please, Sarah, keep talking and comment on as much "stuff" as you can-maybe you can explain why your state has twice the number of birth defects as the national average (which would explain you) and you don't want stricter regulation on the mining industry. ("Think of the Children"). Oh, please, "Caribou Stacey", keep telling us what you think about EVERYTHING! And Incidentally, telling everyone you can see Russia from the rock you were pearched upon is about as meaningful as me saying-at night- "I can see Mars from where I'm sitting". Fascinating! Just keep talking.
+15 # elizabeth Barry 2010-11-17 00:43
Bring it on! There is a crack in everything! That's where the light gets in;
Thanks Leonard Cohen -
-7 # Yuk&DoubleYuk 2010-11-17 00:56
Pistols at dawn, please!
+4 # billy bob 2010-11-17 01:06
If they "need to reload" I'd be glad to provide some ammo. Maybe they can threaten each other's lives and we ALL win!

Here's a new bumper sticker idea I just came up with for anyone interested:

+14 # Regina 2010-11-17 01:23
I refudiate her!
+5 # Cynthia 2010-11-17 01:38
Some days it's just great to be alive, and be an American! :)
+5 # HAL 2010-11-17 01:49
+2 # maddy 2010-11-17 02:34
Rove and Palin are too much alike and both should go ,-if the GOP wishes to gain back the dignity they once acted on many years ago.
+14 # jake 2010-11-17 09:44
'Dignity' is the relevant word, Maddy. Palin is coarse, annoyingly coarse on many levels. I see little dignity in her actions. Yet she appeals to a large percentage of the population. What does that tell you about the folks who support her?
+13 # RealM5 2010-11-17 11:15
What in the world makes you think she appeals to a "large percentage of the population?" Because she says she does or Faux News says she does? Palin has the highest negatives of any Repug since Dick Cheney.
+4 # Jonathan Back 2010-11-17 19:32
Quoting RealM5:
What in the world makes you think she appeals to a "large percentage of the population?" Because she says she does or Faux News says she does? Palin has the highest negatives of any Repug since Dick Cheney.

Then came a new Network disguised as Entertainment called "Fox Unmitigated Corrupt Kooky Exploitive Demonic Unreliable Pedant" or you make your own acronym.

Remove all paid cable systems from your house or office and FOX will implode. Most folks don't know that part of your cable fee goes to Rupert Murdoch.
-21 # Hammy 2010-11-17 13:34
She's following in Obama's footsteps in terms of lacking dignity. He's on one channel and she's on the other. Maybe they should play a game of one-on-one basketball instead of having an election for the 2010 presidency.
+9 # AML 2010-11-17 19:20
Actually, no she does not appeal to any sort of majority of the population. Her approval rating is in the 20% range.

Entertaining, why that's another category. She's as entertaining as a train wreck.
+1 # Elis 2010-11-21 13:48
I tells me that the 40% or so who are supported her have IQ's how Minus 35.
+16 # christine craft 2010-11-17 09:53
Karl Rove is phenominally intelligent.... and evil..Sarah Palin is not phenominally intelligent.
+6 # Foxtrottango 2010-11-17 10:44
Good one, Christine.

But you should have gone further, like Sarah Palin is phenomenally stupid! But hey, thats me! I detest the sorry kraut, Karl Rove and dislike Sarah Palin even less!

Back in the old days, people tar and feathered and than hanged guys like Rove and put gals like Sarah on the stage, the next one leaving town!
+2 # cynibunny 2010-11-19 20:39
Rove, Luntz and Beck have come up with the most ingenious anchor symbols: propaganda ideas that capture the public's imagination and reset the far end of the 'extreme' in 'extreme right wing'. "Anchor Baby" is a work of genius! We know it when we hear it, and we think, "Do they have any morals?" Well, they don't and Goebbels would be proud!
+2 # Dave Taub 2010-11-20 23:46
When did the Republicans ever act with dignity?
+14 # askcherlock 2010-11-17 02:55
Though I did watch the first episode for my own edification about Sarah Palin, I will probably not watch another. Lots of pretty scenery but little substance. Just like Sarah Palin.
+17 # Ralph Averill 2010-11-17 02:57
The rise in popularity of Sarah Palin as a presidential candidate is a testament to the moral bankruptcy and cowardice of the Republican Party establishment. I bet they wish they had let McCain have his pal Joe "Schmuck" Lieberman as a running mate in '08.
+19 # brenda 2010-11-17 03:59
Palin, winning the 2012 presidential election? God forbid, that nut would probably create another world war. Better she stayed home and played hockey mom. But, George W Bush won it for two terms. If he could pull it off, so could she with unlimited Republican funds from corporations. But you can bet there will be a "Cheney" as the VP in order to call the Republican approved shots.
+13 # AML 2010-11-17 19:23
I would never call what Bush did a win, in either election. He was appointed in the first, and Deiboldened in the second.
+22 # Cristabella 2010-11-17 05:42
What I cannot understand is that while I am not wild about Rove ... Palin is scary. This woman treats the highest office like it is a beauty pageant or a reality show. She has NO concept of history and some of what she says seems like she flunked 9th grade civics. This may be fine if one wants to govern a state with the population of New Orleans or Tidewater VA...but this sort of lack of knowledge is dangerous when dealing with the likes of Kim Jong Il or some cockamamie dictator in Iran or Pakistan. She has not demonstrated to me how she would get this country working or back on its feet again...just "Igot mine, Im gonna get yours and too bad" and trust Marco will be NO time before she will be as entrenched as some of the older pols.
+24 # rm 2010-11-17 05:43
The morons who watch Fox will believe that this is real democracy at work. All of this keeps Palin, Rove, and the psychopathic neo-cons in the news and on people's minds when they should be talking about the catastrophes around the world caused by the Bush/Obama imperial wars. Politics in the US works just like TV wrestling. The more Sarah and Karl parade around on the TV and brag or belittle each other, the more the Fox morons and the rest of America love it. Sarah will be president in 2012. That's where all this is heading. She's following Reagan's model to a "T." Reagan was the king of all buffoons -- and today he is worshipped by moronic amerikkkans as some kind of god.
+10 # Watching 2010-11-17 06:41
Karl Rove and Sarah Palin - what a pair! Seems that the Republican party is bent on destroying itself from within.
+8 # bjw 2010-11-17 12:04
Not really. Karl made Sarah and gave her the stage. He can get her off whenever he wants to. Sarah is not immune to his tactics. She is useful as a powerful distraction. Now, the two elder daughters are an additional distraction taking up vast media space in politics and entertainment.
+1 # Rich Blair 2010-11-20 22:39
Actually, it occurs to me that it wouldn't be too much of a surprise to see a Palin Rove ticket. See, it's all like wrestling: the bloviatition, the shifting alliances....
+5 # Jonathan Back 2010-11-17 19:39
Quoting Watching:
Karl Rove and Sarah Palin - what a pair! Seems that the Republican party is bent on destroying itself from within.

And that is a Good Thing!
+4 # Whatever 2010-11-17 07:09
These are the unkindest cuts of all. Poor Sarah. But, if you play in traffic, you're gonna bend a few fenders.
+12 # jan Sultan 2010-11-17 07:17
I would love to see Palin run for President. She is all that the party needs to show its true colors, and ugly underwear.
+4 # Jonathan Back 2010-11-17 19:41
Quoting jan Sultan:
I would love to see Palin run for President. She is all that the party needs to show its true colors, and ugly underwear.

Does "ugly" mean "NO"????
+7 # Bruce Gruber 2010-11-17 07:38
A truly great debate - which style of manipulation can fool the largest number of people the greatest amount of the time.
+24 # fredboy 2010-11-17 07:57
Palin, a creature "discovered" by the media, was featured both last week and this week on the big three major network evening news shows. Now Bristol and a guy calling himself the Situation from MTV's superb youth ethics show Jersey Shore are in a CNN-touted PSA about safe sex. What's next, Charlie Manson selling homeowners insurance?

What we'd best be most fed up with is the media's demise from serious news to creature creation and promotion. That's what this is all about.

Close the journalism schools, turn off the tube, and let's start over. This nation can't afford such nonsense.
+6 # Austin Loomis 2010-11-17 10:08
Quoting fredboy:
Close the journalism schools, turn off the tube, and let's start over. This nation can't afford such nonsense.

I hadn't thought about the J-schools as a part of the problem equal to television, but you're probably right. Anything a journalist needs to know about making eir point, ey can learn in any competently taught English class; anything ey needs to know about factual reporting, ey already knows if ey can just forget about the he-said-she-sai d bullshit.

But the important thing, I think we both agree, is that television must be destroyed. At the very least, the all-news channels have, as Cromwell said to and of the Rump Parliament, "sat too long for any good [they] have been doing lately... [Let them d]epart, I say; and let us have done with [them]."
+3 # Diane 2010-11-17 08:47
+13 # Todd Williams 2010-11-17 09:37
Right on, fredboy! As a J-school grad and former newspaper and magazine feature writer, I am appalled at the level of simplicity to which our media has sunk. Palin is a media-created persona and Rove is the consummate propagandist who is upset that he didn't originate the Sarah sideshow. The really sad thing is, however, the way the gullible American public has been sucked in and are being manipulated by these two people. And the media has played a major role in this deception. Shame on us for accepting this crap.
+10 # DaveW. 2010-11-17 09:46
I posted a few days ago concerning an article from The Nation, about the 2014 withdrawal timetable from Afghanistan. There was a total of three responses. Mention Sarah Palin and little fingers go flying across keyboards. Twenty four and counting including my own. Our President has extended hell for three more years than he promised when running for office but a vast majority of so-called progressives would rather comment on an ambitious idiot and a man ( and I use the word sarcastically) who has neither morals or modesty. We do get the government we deserve.
+6 # Thomas7D 2010-11-17 10:11
Love it!!! Let the "old school" and the "TP's" fight it out and take each other down...
But, there's one problem - with their greed, lack of morality and suspect mentality - they wouldn't care if they took the rest of us down with them.
Which, by the way, won't be that hard to do if the D's don't start standing up for d I mean BIG TIME!

Know this, "bi-partisanshi p" and "compromise" to an "R" means losing.
+5 # rblee 2010-11-17 10:35
I beg to differ with Ms. Stanley. That would be "like the Sound of Music"--WITH the Nazis. Perhaps there will be a Night of the Long Knives.
+10 # SOF 2010-11-17 11:13
Yes we get the government we deserve. We were warned from the beginning that Democracy requires an informed populace. But where were the voices when networks abandoned their foreign desks? News from the wire services -no investigation. All news from corporate media is suspect as they dare not cross their sponsors. And now PBS is in more trouble than ever. Still the only decent daily news, and award-winning reporting on issues. Bush's people seem to have breached the CPB (the firewall to prevent gov propaganda or censorship). Soon we will have only corporate media and that is not conducive to getting issues or investigative reporting or truth on complicated issues. The political debates are a joke -no longer the League of Women Voters or real debates. We let this happen without a wimper.
+9 # DaveW. 2010-11-17 13:04
SOF I'm whimpering. People would rather feed the enormous ego of this media created charlatan than take the action necessary to restore whatever fragments of decency are left in our debauched nation. Well, I'm sure we'll be kept up to date on who Bristol Palin is shagging, Jessica Simpson is tossing the old pigskin around with, and the latest "Constitutional Lessons" of "Professor Beck." The "real" debate in the country is "how can I hate the rich when I want so goddamned bad to join them."
+8 # NJNick 2010-11-17 11:29
Has anyone noticed a pattern regarding the relationship between these two? Several times Mr Rove has voiced an opinion of disapproval in regards to Ms. Palins actions and within 24 hours he then offers up an apology. I'd like to know WHO disciplines Mr Rove. The fight between the GOP old guard and the Tea Party newcomers is the real deal and the Democrats continue to fail to take advantage of the situation. I predict the GOP battle will progress when the inexperienced Tea Party Reps begin the new session and the old guard realizes just how much damage the newcomers will bring to the Party. Dems need to take advantage of this split.
+10 # Realist 2010-11-17 13:21
If everyone turned off their TV sets for a few weeks, our civilization might be saved. As it is, people get misinformation, propaganda, and stupid shows. I gave up TV two years ago, read books, magazines, truthout and RSN. Our country and our society would be much better off without TV.
+6 # rob 2010-11-17 13:49
It's all a big show, folks. It's meant to bring society further to the right, pretending that the Republicans are actually center, and compared to the Tea bagger creeps, they probably are.
+10 # B. 2010-11-17 13:56
If we could only get Chaney to invite both of them "Bird Hunting", what a country!
+5 # Wayne Gardner 2010-11-17 16:45
+8 # Hillarion 2010-11-18 06:13
Sarah is so shallow intellectually that if she were a wading pool, you could step gently into it and not get your toenails wet.
+6 # WTF? 2010-11-18 12:10
Deep as a coat of paint
+4 # WTF? 2010-11-18 07:23
After the loss of G.I.Joe (MIller) in the Alaska senate race, I thought Sarah Palin had the shelf life of a banana but I may have been wrong. Even though her support for the obvious (Iowa's Branstatter) to the mentally impaired/unstab le (Angle and O'Donnell especially), Sarah seemed like a mixed bag until this week when the assets and expenditures for "SARAHPAC" were made known.

Evidently, Sarah Palin is waging a sophisticated behind the scenes run up to the Republican primaries. She is soon to name a campaign chief and place strategic public information ads.

Is this really a good thing for Obama? I think so, but then, the American voter is a strange fish. For my part, I can't rid myself of images of "pit bulls with lipstick" and battling "mama grizzlies".
+8 # Peter Piper 2010-11-18 09:33
Sarah Palin, by her own admission, is a "Pit Bull with lipstick".

How quaint.

Here are some headlines (from 2007-2010) found on Google:

Pit bulls kill 10-year-old boy in Texas

Greenville, SC - Pit Bulls Maul Children, Injure Dog, Kill Cat

Concord, MA - Pack of pit bulls kill Concord toddler inside family garage

Oakland, CA - Three pit bulls kill Oakland toddler, 2

Apple Valley, CA Pit bull kills boy in backyard attack

Philadelphia - Mom's Pit Bull Kills Daughter

Las Vegas - Pit bulls kill 4-month-old girl

Pit bull kills 7-year-old Minneapolis boy at home

No matter whether you blame the dogs or blame the owners for these horrific attacks, the fact is that Pit Bulls kill kids on a regular basis. And Sarah Palin compares herself to them.

+7 # Tea Time 2010-11-18 10:49
The pit bull thing was obviously just for shock value, but, what reall troubles me is the apparent prefence of many people for violence in place of debate. I don't think that the "second amendment remedy" rant is limited to the loose cannons on the right.
+3 # Mike K 2010-11-18 14:07
Don't Insult Pit Bulls by compairing them to Sarah Palin, Look them up on wikipedia and you'll see that to even mention them in the same breath as Palin is to insult them horribly.
+6 # Old Man 2010-11-18 12:09
This is very relevant to modern life and the easy accomodation that has developed between elected government and entertainment. It has to do with what most people today know nothing about: Sacrifice. There is something about being in a B-17 on it's way to a target city and that moment when the fighter escort has to turn back because of low fuel- that shot through me like a lightning bolt and now brings tears to my eyes. This is what makes people respect the system and keep those who want to game it out of play.
+1 # Rich Blair 2010-11-20 22:58
Thank you "old Man" for what you did. My father in law, who knows, may have been your navigator if you were 15th airforce. Yes, I agree, tv news is too much entertainment and not enough journalism. This has been the wreck of American political discourse.It was not always so, give me npr any day. Or cbc.

Thank you again: I flew in a b-17 a few years ago, and it was a peak experience, yes, but nothing like yours. Nobody shooting at me....
+5 # mary m 2010-11-18 12:12
Fox knows how to play with their candidates. Haven't we learn it yet? As others said, better not to mention her, so as not to give more exposure... I wonder how many women like her has time to be moms?
+10 # Robert Mann 2010-11-18 13:50
I am astonished by the deference shown to Sarah Palin on CNN. She is ignorant. She is ill-informed. She is a demogogue. She is small-minded and spiteful. But CNN went so far to suggest that her malaprop "refudiate" (delivered earnestly) was a PUN. A pun requires wit, which is something she does not possess.
+5 # WTF? 2010-11-18 15:26
This all began when the networks (ABC, CBS, NBC)created the "News/Entertain ment
Department after the retirement of Walter Cronkite. Glen Beck said it plainly, "anybody who takes me seriously is an idiot". Obviously, the thrust of the 24 hour news cycle is "eyeballs on the screen" and not high reporting standards. In other words, nothing is real if it's not entertaining. Sarah Palin, despite her atrocious ignorance and pettyness, is entertaining as hell.
+5 # Tony 2010-11-18 22:16
We keep forgetting that Ms. Palin continues to make a huge pile of money for keeping herself in the spot light. A woman with weird charisma but no political or governing skill whatsoever. But Still she rakes it in, rather cynically in my opinion, doing talk shows, book launches, "speeches", and other ridiculous media appearances. Still she gets paid with no real intention of serving the public good.
+4 # Donny D. 2010-11-18 23:43
I can't help but wonder if this show isn't in part a vehicle for shunting money to Palin to be used at least in part for political purpores. $1 million per episode sounds like an awful lot even for someone as greedy as Palin.
+4 # Homer Peters 2010-11-19 08:50
On Thursday there was a short video piece on one of the big cable channels about Palin. Showed her in her upstairs loft on the PC in her running shorts... very nice legs, and if they get her to cut that short skirt shorter and maybe get those hooters "enhanced" the good ol' boys will go running to the voting booths.
-11 # marlene stobbart 2010-11-19 09:54
Palin is a refreshing change from all the old posturing politicians. She is gutsy and bright, unafraid to speak her mind.
Palin over Karl Rove - anyday of the week and you will find other women who think the same. Then there are those people - jealous or intimitaded by her but, personally, she would do well as President. But, women are always at the back of the bus - whether it be Clinton or Palin. .
+3 # John Oakes 2010-11-20 17:17
Everyone loves a fight. Recent requests to boycott Fox Fraudcasting are now being met by fight fans who will boost their ratings. Their "Foxy Facts" and staged news events are aimed at profits and boosting ratings.
+3 # gabriel Lori 2010-11-20 17:58
Poor Karl Rove,he is mad that he has to share the spotlight with a woman!! He cant believe it that their is another person who spins out lies and deciet to promote a self destruct right wing agenda!!! I would love to see an argument and a revolt against both of them...for bringing us to this disaster of political policys--laisez -farre my friends!!! Thats it!!

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