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George says he prays before every decision: So does Jesus support torture?

George W. Bush admitted that the US waterboarded 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed. (photo: AP)
George W. Bush admitted that the US waterboarded 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed. (photo: AP)v your social media marketing partner


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+18 # Guest 2010-06-03 23:21
Bush still does not face his war crimes!
0 # Guest 2010-06-04 06:19
And why is that...?
+16 # Guest 2010-06-04 07:20
Quoting frank67:
Bush still does not face his war crimes!

All his life whatever crimes and misdemeanors he committed were taken care of his father's lawyers. He has come to fully understand that there are no serious consequences no matter what evil he does. It is the way of privilege in this nation.

Most of America's drugs are bought by rich kids who can afford to pay for them. Those rich kids don't serve much time in federal prisons because they have good lawyers and rich parents who the kind of connections that explain that these poor rich kids just need a little treatment in a nice facility to get them back on the straight and narrow. GW Bush was and still is one of those poor misunderstood rich kids who are oblivious to any concepts of right and wrong.
+2 # Guest 2010-06-05 11:20
There was a story about one such prominent young man whose record of non-service in the National Guard was wiped out as well as the suppression of any record of a year or so spent in an exclusive treatment facility. Several respected journalists paid a very high price for attempting to report this story and were fired.

The problem is deeper and broader than your example. Nothing will change until we have real journalists investigating and reporting their findings and that can't happen until the media monopolies are broken up and independent newspaper and broadcast stations make a comeback. This is where reform is more urgent than the financial, health insurance and drug
monopolies being broken up.

None of our problems can be solved as long as we have an uninformed,igno rant voters. In countries where there is no freedom of speech or press at least have an underground means of communication and know propaganda when they see. That recognition is missing in our nation.
+20 # Guest 2010-06-04 00:10
George Bush prayed to Jesus before commencing with torture? I prayed to Jesus that Bush would be destroyed. We all know whose prayer was answered. I'll never quite understand naturally. If I take Bush at face, then Jesus is evil, but I think Bush is lying and I prayed the wrong prayer myself. I don't think Jesus had anything to do with either outcome. I am satisfied to blame Bush and not Jesus.

As if further proof was needed that Bush is a complete bastard, he speaks up and reestablishes the case.

The world would have been a far better place if Bush and Cheney et al had been removed from it instead of Saddam Hussein. He couldn't possibly have done nearly as much damage to the world and to our country. Even 9/11 itself is a lesser tragedy to the greater one of 8 years of Bush and the legacy of Republican mendacity. And yes, we must not forget the Democratic complicity in all of this horror which continues to this day. When will we ever learn?
-7 # Guest 2010-06-04 23:41
Yes, Daniel, we all understand that you prefer to live in a world with Saddam Hussein and his sons than with George Bush and Dick Cheney. When, indeed, will you ever learn?
+1 # Guest 2010-06-05 11:27
Quoting Rock:
Yes, Daniel, we all understand that you prefer to live in a world with Saddam Hussein and his sons than with George Bush and Dick Cheney. When, indeed, will you ever learn?

You're asking the wrong question. I have learned. So when are YOU ever going to learn? Alot of us understand that you prefer the destruction of our economy, waging wars against countries that can't defend themselves, wars against countries that are no threat to us. We understand that you like the military industrial complex and the corporate rape of America and the rape of people globally. We understand that you like torture even though it can NEVER provide reliable information and the killing of now perhaps approaching 2 million souls all out of hubris, greed and the desire to steal resources that don't belong to us.
Oh yeah, and let us not forget they our fighting to defend our right to free speech and to protect our freedom.
So whose going to protect us and the world...from us?
-1 # Guest 2010-06-07 06:25
Countries that can't defend themselves. Apparently you have never been to the region. I agree with most of what you said, but hey thats politics. I am not a fan of Bush, but blame him for what he did. Not what the media tells you too. 2 useless wars sure, in 2 of the most violent regions in the world. I have served in the military and I have been to the middle east. Shovel your B.S about something you know. Not what you heard on cnn.
-2 # Guest 2010-06-08 19:31
Hmmm...lived in Cairo for 4 and a half years. Sure, that doesn't count much I suppose. Lived in Pakistan for another 3. Does that count? Worked with the Pakistani immigrant community here in the states another 6.

As for the inability to defend themselves, my apologies. They can and I suppose you are content that if we and our allies can't kill enough of them off, they will succeed at doing that to themselves.

I don't see anyone winning there. Do YOU? I'll revise my statement to say that we attack countries that we can't defeat but countries that can't win as long as we intend to immorally occupy them.

There. Good enough?
0 # Guest 2010-06-10 06:43
Cairo is in Afica not the middle east. Pakistan I will give you although a more stable and more friendly to the U.S. No I agree with you on that but to make Bush out to be this big bad big brother running around hurting the innocents. Bush and the U.S has killed less Iraqians then Saddam did. Does that excuse invading Iraq no, but Big Business runs every president even Obama.
+21 # Guest 2010-06-04 01:37
This IMBECILE should and MUST answer for his War crimes. He achieved nothing and put our service men an women in grave danger. How DARE he brag about his torture and lack of ethics and/or morals? THIS is a Christian? No wonder the Muslims hate us.
+9 # Guest 2010-06-04 02:35
I'm speechless. I hope Laura does divorce him, as the cover of a tabloid declared she was doing. She is too good and too smart for him.
-20 # Guest 2010-06-04 03:26
If more lives had been lost, people would have criticized Bush for not doing enough. The West cannot have it both ways. There is a fight against terrorists, who do not follow Geneva Convention/Rule s of War. They mock the US' timid approach to warfare - refusing to torture, refusing to fight the enemy if civilians are in harm's way. Sadly, if this Western attitude is not changed, terrorists will continue to flourish.

As for arguments that torture/other so-called violations of the Rules of War only demean the perpetrator, recall that WWII saw a multitude of "crimes" against POWs, civilians, etc. While not condoning these acts, the soldiers who committed them did so in the heat of battle, when their very lives were at stake. Yet, the majority of them came home, resumed their lives, became law-abiding, productive family men and members of society. They did not become dehumanized or monsters.

They simply did what they felt they had to do, at that time.
+15 # Guest 2010-06-04 04:15
I did research about the one time leader of Germany in the 30's, and he thought himself to be religious, one of God's choosen, and also prayed,---- and He and Bush were similiar in many ways. Torture, the spread of hate and discrinination against a nationality of people, and we had our Reichstag,--9/1 1.
+15 # Guest 2010-06-04 05:08
I suspect he's hearing those pesky voices, again, from alcohol-induced brain damage.
+12 # Guest 2010-06-04 06:16
BuSh----> A Name..? ...or... An Abbreviation..?

You decide... :)

Do you think G.W. was feelin' early on during his tragic, dark Presidency that he might actually be the Messiah and this was HIS Second Coming..?

And so, in his crowded mind.., Instead of looking at his personal ambitions in Iraq as--'War Mongering for an ego stroke'... or 'I wanna be a War Guy like Dad'.., perhaps he was thinking--- 'I'm the Smiter'... as if he actually felt he was doing Biblical 'Wet' Work for his 'Other Father'..?
But then, later on, during a spare moment in between pretzels and smirking, he tilted his head for a limited reality saw that BS piled up in his Presidency and this led him change his self involved Messianic view from 'I'm the smiter' to-- 'I'm the Decider' and then cut loose with it at a press conference as he realized he was not Smiting, but rather, just wrecking everything he came into contact with physically, mentally and spiritually because He DECIDED To..?
+16 # Guest 2010-06-04 06:18
Who will hold this man responsible?

As a lifelong Democrat, I cannot begin to express my outrage at Nancy Pelosi for declaring that "impeachment is off the table."

Why? The Repubs impeached a Democrat over sexual misdeeds. And the Democrats won't consider impeachment for a war criminal?
-8 # Guest 2010-06-04 12:14
"The Republicans impeached a Democrat over sexual misdeeds . . . " Do you actually believe this canard after reciting it so many times? Did you manage to forget that he lied under oath? I believe it's called perjury, and that was one of the "high crimes and misdemeanors" he was impeached for.
+3 # Guest 2010-06-05 11:35
Quoting Rock:
"The Republicans impeached a Democrat over sexual misdeeds . . . " Do you actually believe this canard after reciting it so many times? Did you manage to forget that he lied under oath? I believe it's called perjury, and that was one of the "high crimes and misdemeanors" he was impeached for.

1. For an act that wasn't anyone's business, except Hilary, in the first place, I'm sure glad he had the good sense to lie about it publicly. Oh yeah. That's perjury.
2. Rule number 2: When asked something that's none of your business you are entitled to lie and I don't give a rip who is asking.
3. You dare to suggest that this trivial, that's right, trivial event even remotely compares to the crimes of the Bush Administration?

-1 # Guest 2010-06-07 09:01
It's really too bad that you get away with your many diatribes, evidently because you fit RSN's political template and it would embarrass them to see your falsehoods refuted on this site. Since you approve of others lying as long as they agree with you, it is obvious that you permit yourself to exercise the same privilege. What IS pathetic here is that you don't admit the seriousness of the charges against Bill Clinton - that he used his position of power to take advantage of women {not a crime as long as he is a progressive I guess) - and that he lied under oath to a Grand Jury which was looking into this particular relationship as evidence of a pattern. Not of interest to anyone but Hillary? I guess only if the politics of the perpetrator trump his other misdeeds.
0 # Guest 2010-06-08 19:37
Gee, you accord me more influence than I have. But oh well.

Meanwhile, Bill Clinton using his position of power to take advantage of women? Was anyone raped? Really? Actually? Are we talking consensual behavior here? Do you really think that ALL Presidents are NOT preyed upon by women like Monica?

Oh please. Spare me such silliness. I don't condone his behavior...I simply insist that it is trivial in comparison to trivial in comparison that to even compare the two is utterly juvenile and ludicrous on the face of it.
+11 # Guest 2010-06-04 06:51
There are so many other people with world would be better without and Saddham was not as bad as either the president of Zimbabwe or the President of North Korea, yet no one is encouraging, at least openly, the US to get rid of them. Why Saddham? Three letter word - oil, oil, oil. And in that he also failed. How the American public could have put the fate of the American economy in the hands of a man who failed at every business venture he tried, I don´t understand, and a man who never saw combat, whose closest supporters never saw combat and who, like the people he decried during Vietnam, somehow managed in his own cowardly way not to get called up is still looked upon by some as a hero. God bless America!
+10 # Guest 2010-06-04 07:18
Bush is like a Vaudeville act i.e. still doing the same tired routine that hasn't played for 10 years, he's spews the same tired rhetoric to defend the un-defendable ad nauseum at every forum as he will have to do for the rest of his life
+2 # Guest 2010-06-04 15:29
Exactly my sentiments. I have the impression Bush's head is made out of wood when I see his photos, like a puppet. Same tired old schtick from the horror movie of his endless 2-term administration.
+11 # Guest 2010-06-04 07:24
Perhap what is true is America loves it's criminals. They are lifted up to "ggod guys". Just look at US History, Jesse James, Billy the Kid, Capone, the Bush Clan, etc.,.

Republicans are the hooligans of today and most of uneducated America loves it?

Take a glance of Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, the TEA Party, the KKK, Neo-Nazis, corporate crooks, pedophile Republicans, ex-family values hypocrites, etc.,.

The list goes on.....and they are on the verge of getting elected.

The US has hit scum bottom!
+7 # Guest 2010-06-04 09:59
Only the people that worship those nut jobs and believe the bought out press. It is corporate elites who easily dupe the dumb xenophobe Republicans just telling them the untruths they want to here. Immoral to the last they want to define Christianity as some sort of right wing canon. They will never wake up. They almost to the last serve the forces of EVIL as they act like sheep and question no authority except those non-Republican.
+5 # Guest 2010-06-04 07:57
So what. Pontius Pilate didn't regret using torture either.
+1 # Guest 2010-06-05 15:18
Absolutely ! I mean where would christianity be if Jesus had gotten 20 to life with time off for good behaviour ???
+7 # Guest 2010-06-04 08:16
Truth be told, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed got what he deserved -- and so did America. America deserved W, the man who represents everything America pretends not to be -- a land where any rich, well-connected ignoramus can grow up to become President, a man who embodied the worser angels of our nature.

Rightwingnuts wrung their tongues about Obama's calls for empathy; from torture to Katrina, it's all too clear they prefer a President who, like them, has none.
+3 # Guest 2010-06-04 09:39
He clearly does not pray to Jesus but the anti-Christ who he shares a lot with. Chistians did not vote for Bush ever anyone, only people that wanted to kill. False Christians that will go you no where when it is all said and done. I have 100% faith.
+7 # Guest 2010-06-04 10:55
False confessions: According to a NY Times article today a man has been released from prison and has won a 9.9 million lawsuit against the city for unlawful imprisonment.

The detective “….deliberately fabricated witness statements and police reports, withheld material, exculpatory evidence from prosecutors and intentionally failed to conduct an adequate investigation,” as well as beat Mr. Gibbs to elicit a false confession.

So here is a big problem with beating or torturing: false confessions. The real murderer(s) was not caught. Perhaps the real murderer went on to commit other crimes.

In the world of terrorism, false confessions or evidence make the world less safe.
+4 # Guest 2010-06-05 01:48
What Bush does not seem to understand is that most of the world and under the Geneva convention--wat erboarding is a crime. Not a local or national crime but an International crime. And here he is admitting to it. So anyone can now send a letter with a copy of his confession to the International world court and ask that he be charged with a war crime. I bet that no one will.
+2 # Guest 2010-06-05 08:15
Ted Bundy never felt remorse either.
0 # Guest 2010-06-05 14:15
Actually, he did. Just saying.
-2 # Guest 2010-06-05 23:41
Quoting Rock:
Actually, he did. Just saying.

Actually he didn't. I was part of an investigation for one of his crimes and studied him closely until the end. The remorse expressed was just another attempt at charm, which, like a true sociopath he was so good at, and you can be sure he never lost a minutes sleep at night over anything he ever did. He wasn't capable of remorse as no true sociopath ever is.
-1 # Guest 2010-06-07 09:04
I don't know anyone who disputes the seriousness of his crimes, but for you to assert that his expression of regret was false doesn't pass the smell test.
+1 # Guest 2010-06-08 19:40
So you say. Your entitled to your opinion. So which investigators have you opined this with?
+2 # Guest 2010-06-06 07:02
Imagine, Ted Bundy having more morals than GWB or Dick Cheney!
+5 # Guest 2010-06-05 08:34
To Rock and everyone else who believes that Bush/Cheney did not lie is ways far more heinous that the CLinton lie about Lewinski - wake up! Cheney/Bush lied us into a war that has ruined the economy, ruined the lives of many Americans, ruined the lives and country of countless thousands of Iraqi, ruined the US standing in the world, and probably ruined the future for all our children and grandchildren. Clinton lied - and nobody died.
Admit it - Bush should be tried for his high crimes & misdemeanors..
+3 # Guest 2010-06-05 08:58
I don't believe he actually prays. Who does he pray to? Not a just God. Mr Bush is about as evil as it gets. I think he grew up a spoiled brat and now he's in league with the biggest bullies in the world, the U.S.A. You believe him when he says he prays?!
Our military industrial complex has taken over and unless we can change that then the ultra-wealthy will keep making money starting wars. Any excuse is good enough as we saw with 9-11.
Why does anybody think that the government wouldn't allow an independent investigation of 9-11. A whole year went by cleaning up the site to make sure that nothing incriminating was found. And all during that time people who suspected, and there's plenty to suspect, that the US was involved in the planning of the 9-11 debacle, Bushies blocked every attempt to find out what went on. They simply wanted to make sure they had a reason to attack a country that was in their way of gaining access to guess what?
+4 # Guest 2010-06-05 11:52
So George Bush doesn't regret invading Iraq.Any regrets about 100,000 Iraqi deaths, 1 million displaced persons; 4,000 American military dead? I'd say George Bush is responsible for more deaths than Sadam!
0 # Guest 2010-06-05 23:43
Quoting Ronald A. Meringer:
So George Bush doesn't regret invading Iraq.Any regrets about 100,000 Iraqi deaths, 1 million displaced persons; 4,000 American military dead? I'd say George Bush is responsible for more deaths than Sadam!

I agree, although your Iraqi death count is a good 900,000 or more off. This would be a low estimate by the way, but your conclusion is correct.
+1 # Guest 2010-06-06 07:00
It seem they hanged the wrong person or persons, didn't they?
+2 # Guest 2010-06-06 22:00
Torture is wrong, no matter what exuse there is for it, like saving American lives. Wouldn't it be just as evil if Islam terrorists used torture to save Arab lives? Bush is a war criminal, quite simply.

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