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A small glimpse of the more than 250,000 secret diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks discloses that Arab leaders are privately urging an air strike on Iran, and that US officials have been instructed to spy on the UN's leadership.

President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, left, with William J. Burns, a State Department official, in Damascus. (photo: Louai Beshara/AFP/Getty)
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+70 # Max 2010-11-28 14:43
Our ineffectual elections have left us, the people of the United States, otherwise powerless at the hands of our so-called leaders. Hiding behind the veil of secrecy for anything important has broken the link between accountability to its citizens and the actions of our leaders. I applaud WikiLeaks for what it has done. This is a political market-correcti on, to use the language of Wall Street.
-1 # rock 2010-12-07 00:33
Max - This just in from CNN [Surprise, Surprise!]

"WikiLeaks has published a secret U.S. diplomatic cable listing places the United States considers vital to its national security"

Do you think maybe there should be a Veil of Secrecy for some things? Maybe you live close to some of these places?

Can there be any doubt that Assange's motives have mostly to do with causing the USA as much harm as possible?
+66 # Koondog 2010-11-28 14:51
The mere fact that there will be blowback against Wikileaks for releasing the truth lets everyone know just how messed up our government truly is. I wonder what kind of sphincter tightening is going on in China, Iran, Italy, Russia, Nigeria and you name it in anticipation of the same dose of medicine. The best disinfectant is sunlight.

I see a Nobel for Julian Assange followed by an arrest. Hope the prize is awarded in Oslo and not Stockholm!
+44 # changw 2010-11-28 14:52
Go Julian!
+22 # Virginia C. Hesel 2010-11-28 15:10
Not what the US and UK envisioned for technology.
+9 # billy bob 2010-11-28 17:04
No. Backscatters and drone missiles are considered more appropriate applications of technology.
+45 # Michele Marie 2010-11-28 15:16
Imagine -- a free press at last. I love it!
-16 # GeorgeS 2010-11-28 15:27
What this and many other articles seem to ignore is that someone had to commit a crime to give these documents (and others) to Wikileaks. Those who gave the documents could end up spending many years, even the rest of their lives in prison.
+24 # Linda Maloney 2010-11-28 16:53
I just finished watching the Daniel Ellsberg documentary, "The Most Dangerous Man in America," and what you write is word for word what was said of him. The judge threw out the charges against Ellsberg, but in today's climate what you say about consequences could well occur. To think that the Watergate era was a safer time for whistleblowers than the Obama era. Shame.
-8 # rock 2010-11-28 18:23
And should.
+9 # Oopsies! 2010-11-28 21:39
You're right this fact IS ignored - the fact that telling the truth is a crime. Manning should be heralded, given a parade and have a national holiday named after him for his bravery and heroism.
-2 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 19:40
Why is he only "telling the truth" about AMERICAN documents? Why aren't there traitors in other countries releasing THEIR countries' documents worldwide?

I'd LOVE to know the truth about North Korea's decision to threaten the Civilized World, or why Iran keeps balking on nuclear negotiation, let alone funding HAMAS? And what is China's real agenda?
+3 # billy bob 2010-11-29 20:50
Actually, if you read the article it points to many embarrassing truths about other contries as well: Russia, Saudi Arabia and the U.K. among them. Maybe there's no info being released about North Korea or China because no one had access to it. Your comment about Iran is interesting in light of the fact that the Saudi royal family has been pressuring us to bomb Iran for several years. I find THAT interesting as well, since all but one of the hijackers on 9-11 were Saudis, coupled with the fact that the above article states that the BIGGEST DONORS TO TERRORIST GROUPS WERE SAUDIS, "The cables names Saudi donors as the biggest financiers of terror groups".

Sometimes it's important to read the article.
-1 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 22:01
I DID read the article, but it's important to note that these cables aren't facts, they're OPINIONS--and only opinions of the American diplomats...Som etimes it's important to read the actual released cables!

Saudi royal family wants Iran out of the picture because they are creating instability in the region, and Saudi Arabia is making OBSCENE money off the status quo!

As to no one having access to info on North Korea or China, doesn't that just mean that we have traitors in OUR ranks, and they don't? Solidarity In Lies, or Honor Among Thieves, to use the old cliches?
-1 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 22:18
Sometimes it's important to actually read the cables!

The cables say that American diplomats BELIEVE Iran is holding out on them (and our strategy for "Getting To Yes", or at least as close as possible given such a cagey enemy), that one diplomat has "suspicions" of corruption in Afghanistan Government, and suspiciously close relations between the Russian Mafia, the Russian Government, and the Italian Government, and criticisms of the UK's failure to secure the perimeter, which MIGHT be responsible for the high death-toll!

But these are only ACCUSATIONS! Just because that person's a diplomat does not automatically make the accusations true, does it? I thought there were a couple articles--and even a poster HERE--against accusations without proof being taken as Gospel?

I've long thought that America was fighting harder, not smarter, for whatever reason, profit or politics, rather than fighting to WIN, but just because I SAY it, doesn't make it automatically true, does it? I have computer simulations to back up what I say, though, the diplomats don't! These aren't FACTS, they're OPINIONS, or unproven hypotheses at best!
-1 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 22:43
I would love to know, though: Would you take my accusations, my simulations, my conspiracy theories seriously, without question, if I was a diplomat, or had written them down in secret documents that were stolen and released without my permission?
-1 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 23:00
Check the links from this article, especially the Isabel Hilton one, where the revelation of this sensitive data has essentially ruined negotiations with China's tantrum-throwin g protege!

I think WikiLeaks and the traitors who leaked this info were simply seeking to aggrandize themselves, no thought to the consequences... Because the consequences weren't for THEM, the consequences would be felt by OTHERS!
But really, all WikiLeaks "revealed" is shit-stirring gossip, more suited to the water-cooler than the Internet!

Wow, Saudi Arabia is scared of a possible nuclear-armed neighbor? Afghanistan's leader is pocketing our money? Russia's overrun with the Russian Mafia? None of this is really news, but the fact that American diplomats would make such un-diplomatic statements is going to haunt us for years to come...They expect a certain level of professionalism , and because WikiLeaks didn't reveal the enemies being unprofessional, it must be just OUR side!
+3 # B. 2010-11-29 12:49
Quoting GeorgeS:
What this and many other articles seem to ignore is that someone had to commit a crime to give these documents (and others) to Wikileaks. Those who gave the documents could end up spending many years, even the rest of their lives in prison.

I agree and thank god for the courage of these HEROS !
-53 # GotchaSc 2010-11-28 15:33
Are Americans really so dumb that they think we are the only country doing this? The only difference between now and before is that all information can be aggregated and dispatched faster than the speed of light. The people releasing it are criminals - not heroes.
+22 # hasapiko 2010-11-28 17:20
Quoting GotchaSc:
Are Americans really so dumb that they think we are the only country doing this? The only difference between now and before is that all information can be aggregated and dispatched faster than the speed of light. The people releasing it are criminals - not heroes.

I had all the turkey I wanted last Thursday, turkey! The people releasing this information ARE heroes. The kind of activity described in these communications would be considered serious breaches of the law had they been committed by corporate officers, for example. Why should they be condoned for diplomats? We purportedly live in an open society - a democracy. It is high time ALL the activities of ALL government workers be open and transparent. The evidence provided in this leak should be used to promote legislation that mandates that and provides serious punishment for those government officials promoting these disgusting activities.
-14 # rock 2010-11-28 18:27
What many people seem to have lost sight of is that we still live in a dangerous world, where we have real enemies, and not just because we are "mean." There are many reasons for this information to be confidential. The ramifications of these leaks are going to be incredibly damaging to our nation, our diplomats, and our friends in other countries. Can a country survive when its own citizens hate it enough to do this?
+10 # billy bob 2010-11-28 21:45
What I want to know is why you and "gotcha" both hate Americans so much? You claim to worry about the "survival" of OUR country, yet question the patriotism of the majority of OUR COUNTRY'S CITIZENS when we find out something embarassing to OUR paid beurocrats.

We DO live in a dangerous world. That's why it's important to act like an adult, which means QUESTIONING official words from our government when it has a LONG HISTORY of lying to us - not to protect us, but to prevent us from retaliating when it acts undemocraticall y and against our own best interests. If you honestly think every government secret, or even most of them for that matter, are kept from us for "security" reasons, when often these facts are WELL KNOWN REALITIES to whomever we happen to be colonizing at the moment, then I have some ocean front property in Nebraska I'd like to interest you in.

-5 # rock 2010-11-29 09:55
I see that your perspective on this is driven by the notion that we are "colonizing" other countries with whom we have relations. That, of course, is your privilege to think and express, but I think it comes from a flawed view of the world.

There is a great difference between "QUESTIONING," official words from the government, which I of course agree with, and publishing private, candid conversations, which should be respected.

Openness in its place is fine, but would you, for example, really want everybody you meet and interact with to be able to read your mind? Not saying you don't have a fine mind.
+1 # billy bob 2010-11-29 16:05
My opinions are not my "privelege". They are my RIGHT.

Apparently you aren't aware that our government HAS IN FACT ALREADY been wiretapping EVERY SINGLE phone call in this country and email for the past several years. Additionally, if the government accuses you of a crime you no longer have the right to a "private candid conversation" with your lawyer. What about my 4th Amendment rights? Are they currently being "respected"?

So, know I don't like the government snooping into my private affairs.

There's a MAJOR difference though:


-1 # rock 2010-11-29 17:44
You say so, but I don't believe "that our government HAS IN FACT ALREADY been wiretapping EVERY SINGLE phone call in this country and email for the past several years." What is your source for that? Evidently, thank God, they do wiretap phone calls to Somalia and Pakistan, so we fortunately have Mohamed O. Mohamed in federal custody in Oregon now, rather than several hundred dead Americans who wanted to attend a holiday event . . . but, sorry for the digression. Back in the early 1970's, the Supreme Court crafted, out of Whole Cloth, a "right" to privacy. I wonder if that right extends to diplomats and others who are serving our country? Perhaps their civil rights are being denied them by your hero Julian. Would you object if say, all of President Obama's private Emails were published, or George Soros', or Keith Olbermann, or whomever you really respect? I would guess that, with you, it depends entirely on whose ox is being gored, no?
+1 # billy bob 2010-11-29 19:13
Here’s a few:
-2 # rock 2010-12-01 22:52
OK, Billyboob, I looked at these . . . there certainly wasn't anything that proved your assertion that the government has IN FACT ALREADY been wiretapping EVERY SINGLE phone call and email . . . " Here's one excerpt that puts it in perspective:

"The USA Today story says these domestic efforts did not actually listen in on such phone calls; instead, they analyzed traffic patterns."

Makes sense to me. We are in a war, after all.
+1 # billy bob 2010-11-29 20:06
Wow, You're kind of all over the map there.

Do you agree that the government has been involved in warrantless wiretapping? A federal judge not only says they "were", but said that it was illegal. Do you recall that bush jr. gave telecoms "immunity" from future prosecution for this? What did they need "immunity" from if they were only up to "catchin' bad guys"? I have a feeling the warrantless wiretapping isn’t entirely in the past either.

I guess the difference between you and me is that you live in a world where the government is only involved in taking care of all of us (its children). I, on the other hand, live in a world where the government has time and time again proven to me that they don't deserve my blind trust and needs to be kept in check - “under serveillance” if you will.

Once again, comparing Keith Olbermann to our government is a disingenuous argument. Keith Olbermann, whether you like him or not, is a private citizen.

+1 # billy bob 2010-11-29 20:07

I'm not arguing that the state has no right to secrets that truly ARE for the purpose of national security. I'm arguing that VERY FEW of the secrets they keep actually serve that purpose.

In fact, it seems that you've already given up on the "national security" get-out-of-jail -free card in this discussion. You've resorted to the idea that we should feel ashamed of the fact that inappropriate activity that was, in fact, dangerous to our national security, was caught and made public by someone.

As someone else already noted, a CEO that was engaged in activities similar to those outed by wikileaks would be punished by the board of directors or even the law, without regard to how the information was leaked.

+1 # billy bob 2010-11-29 20:08

Apparently, the info leaked was leaked by willing whistleblowers who felt that their superiors were engaging in criminal or at least inappropriate behavior - behavior which may not be in the best interests of this country. Whistleblowers always take a great risk of retaliation. This isn’t just a game to embarrass someone. This is serious business. They knew the risk, but chose to go ahead and do it anyway. If what they release turns out to be, NOT about national security, but rather, as seems to be the ACTUAL case, about securing the reputations of a few high-ranking individuals who’d rather not be held accountable, then I’d say, whether or not this was a crime, it may help to inform the citizens of this country in a way that is becoming necessary.

+2 # billy bob 2010-11-29 20:21

By the way, if someone is engaged in hurting our country, I agree that it may be necessary to bring some of that individual’s behavior into the light of day. You seem to agree with me on that point. The difference, is that you believe it’s ok for the government to eavesdrop on American citizens fishing for that information in case it’s out there somewhere. You don’t seem to think it’s ok for citizens to find out the truth about members of our own government also engaged in activities which are against our collective interests. When the government engages in warrantless fishing expeditions, it is looking for something that it doesn’t already know is there. When a whistleblower speaks up, he/she is speaking up about activities which ARE WELL KNOWN, although not to the public as a whole.

Is that why you brought up the comment about which “ox was being gored”?

-1 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 21:30
That's just it, though: None of the activities they "brought to light" were against America's interests...May be a few "undiplomatic" comments, but who hasn't made some of those?
If they had revealed some actual crimes, some PROOF that Afghanistan was wasting our money, or better yet, that America's Government KNEW where a terrorist leader was, but didn't send a team to take him out, or that we were INTENTIONALLY holding back in the war against terrorists as McCrystal said, exposing THAT would be heroic!
Instead, the whistleblower(s ) breached national law to expose...a bunch of tabloid garbage!
Worse, though, it makes Americans look like untrustworthy gossips, and other countries are already getting all sanctimonious about it.

In sum: Breaking the law to expose REAL CRIMES would be heroic. As is, all he's done is smear AMERICA, without smearing other countries equally!
+1 # billy bob 2010-11-29 22:43
No. What he did was reveal embarassingly inappropriate behavior by government members of several countries. If you'd read the article, you'd realize that.

Speaking of being "sanctimonious" , what do you think of someone who makes variations on the exact same comment several times without reading the article?
-1 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 23:13
Reread the article. You'll see the words, "Allegation", "Suspicion", "Evaluation"
The documents are written by our diplomats. Our diplomats ACCUSED enemy government members of this, that, and the other. Knowing that we think that of them, even if it's true--no, ESPECIALLY if it's true--will make them even LESS forthcoming in future negotiations!

BUT it only exposed what we THINK of them, without any proof, say, THEIR documents that tell what they think of us, and/or PROVE our diplomats' accusations/"observations"!

What we have here is a real-life version of the first part of "Harriet The Spy": A thief has revealed our "diary", what we THINK of all the other countries, but hasn't disseminated THEIR diaries to prove or disprove it, or even "just" to see what they think of us!

They may be upset that our diplomats were encouraged to gather info, but haven't theirs been doing the same? They just haven't had a traitor reveal that they were officially ORDERED to!

As to this proving how we "exploit" lesser countries, they must be using a different definition of "exploit". Saudi Arabia got filthy rich off our "exploitation"!
0 # billy bob 2010-11-29 23:05
You seem to be making an inconsistent argument here.

In some comments you compare disclosing these embarrassing truths to handing hitler the plans for D-Day. These must be INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT STATE SECRETS for that to be true.

Here, however, you claim that, "None of the activities they 'brought to light' were against America's interests...May be a few 'undiplomatic' comments, but who hasn't made some of those?" - If that's the case, then why should anyone be angry? Afterall, we aren't really talking about crimes being committed. We're just talking about a few innocent remarks, right?

I know how to diffuse the situation, right now: We'll just say, "oops! It was just a few comments. EVERYBODY ELSE WAS DOING IT!"

Next, we'll send the American diplomats to their rooms without supper. After that, we'll call the mothers of the other countries involved and make sure they're grounded as well. If they promise to apologize (and clean their room), maybe we can still let them go to the prom.

Problem solved.
-2 # EPGAH 2010-11-30 08:32
America is the unpopular disciplinarian parent, but paradoxically, is trying to soften our punishments so that they'll like us better. This has proven disastrous!
-1 # EPGAH 2010-11-30 08:35
OK, so the ambassadors have figured out that other countries are corrupt. Which do you think is more likely the attitude of the said countries:
1.) "OMG! The ambassadors of America have discovered our evil plans! We'd better give them up and go straight!"
2.) "What are YOU gonna do about it, America?"

Hint: How have countries responded so far to America's rules and punishments?
-1 # EPGAH 2010-11-30 13:45
Instead of comparing it with parenting, Geopolitics is starting to resemble old movies!

Watch "Wizard of Oz" sometime, when the Cowardly Lion challenges Dorothy&co to "Put Up Your Dukes", then gets a half-hearted punch, he whines, "You didn't have to HIT me!"
What did he really expect? But then, Third World countries are pulling the same shit on America, and getting away with it, making America EARN the reputation of being an Easy Mark!

Japan, however, tried to mimic a Monty Python skit, attacking America, then when we lopped off a few of their unnecessary limbs, they wanted to call it a draw!
A DRAW is if we were equals, and would not teach them any lessons. They needed to learn that they had LOST, which is what the nukes were used for.

I don't think any President since has had the steel to be unpopular in order to punish a troublemaker country.
Everytime we try, the lesser countries complain about being "oppressed" and/or that "Violence Inherent In The System"...not verbatim, but the Monty Python concepts are still there!

Do they REALLY expect us to only fight when it's convenient for THEM?
-2 # rock 2010-12-01 22:55
No. I meant that There seems to be a lot of glee over these revelations that we wouldn't be hearing if some big time left winger's private correspondence was being aired.
+11 # billy bob 2010-11-28 21:45

No, WE don't hate America. WE LOVE IT SO much we want to make sure it's represented by a government that can stand the light of day.

The fact is that YOU HATE AMERICA if you deny the right of its citizens to hold THEIR GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE.


+10 # Oopsies! 2010-11-28 22:15
@ rock - what is damaging to our country is lies, deception, corrupt practices and government secrecy at the expense of our integrity. It is not hatred to want to bring the truth into the light of day. In fact, it is necessary to the survival of a true democracy!
+9 # John Lewis 2010-11-28 23:45
Why in the world should we be, as citizens be deprived of information related to the behaviour, often criminal behaviour of our elected politicians? I truly believe that we have the right to know what is going on in our government. Mr Assange is a real hero to enable un to know what is taking place behind our back. Bravo Sir!
-2 # rock 2010-11-29 09:57
It wouldn't be so bad if we were just talking about elected politicians. State Department personnel, however, are not usually elected.

What are your thoughts if these leaks end up with people who have befriended us getting killed?
+4 # moebears 2010-11-29 10:36
Of course friends getting killed as a result of this would be a horrible shame. Just as the many, many, many people who've already been killed as a result of all the secret machinations our govt is involved in.
-2 # rock 2010-11-29 17:46
With all due respect, I submit that FAR, FAR more lives have been saved as a result of "all the secret machinations our govt is involved in" than the many (innocent) people who've already been killed.
+1 # billy bob 2010-11-29 18:11
Could you be more specific as to how you've come to the conclusion that "FAR... more lives have been saved" as a result of our government lying to us?
-2 # rock 2010-12-01 22:34
Oh, how about cracking the Japanese Code in WWII? How about foiling a few terrorist plots? How about our covert efforts during the Cold War? They're not so much "lying," as you like to call it, but "Secret Machinations."
+1 # billy bob 2010-12-04 22:59
Which "covert" efforts of the cold war are you referring to? Are you referring to the many times we actively participated in overthrowing and even executing DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED presidents of other countries? Do you think anyone OUTSIDE THE U.S. was being kept in the dark about these "machinations"?

By the way, "with all due respect"? Don't insult our intelligence.
+2 # billy bob 2010-11-29 18:02
Are you suggesting that whomever outed Valerie Plame as a spy was committing treason?
-2 # rock 2010-12-01 22:35
You mean "What's his name," the Clinton Administration Holdover? Somehow, I don't think Valerie Plame was such a big deal, but that affair makes good leftist talking points.
+1 # billy bob 2010-12-04 22:56
I didn't realize Karl Rove, dubya, and uncle dick cheney were President Clinton holdovers.
+1 # billy bob 2010-11-29 18:13
Are you saying that it's less unacceptable when democratically elected politicians are killed than when unelected bureaucrats are?
+6 # B. 2010-11-29 12:52
Quoting rock:
What many people seem to have lost sight of is that we still live in a dangerous world, where we have real enemies, and not just because we are "mean." There are many reasons for this information to be confidential. The ramifications of these leaks are going to be incredibly damaging to our nation, our diplomats, and our friends in other countries. Can a country survive when its own citizens hate it enough to do this?

Our republic can ONLY survive when it's citizens do this !
+47 # propsguy 2010-11-28 15:34
obviously, governments too stupid to keep their dirty underwear hidden shouldn't be too surprised to be caught. i especially love the statement from the White House saying that this honest disclosure of their secret corrupt behind the scenes machinations puts at risk "promoting democracy and open government." does anyone get the irony of promoting OPEN government with secrets and lies? the ends don't justify the means, guys.
i hope mr assange has a safe place where he can hide out. the things they tried before to get at him didn't succeed. you gotta wonder what they'll try next
+6 # Diana M Wyatt 2010-11-29 06:48
I really can't understand what all the drama is about. No policy secrets were revealed.some of the stuff is un-diplomatic, but none of it ...including Iran's bombing push was unknown generally..and members of the British royal family have been mis-behaving for centuries...Hen ry VIII anyone?
Views about the ineptness or autocratic nature of various Heads of State is ho-hum news.
Is there anyone who is literate with half a brain who is so naive as to be genuinely shocked by the stuff revealed? Get a Life!
-1 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 19:53
Please note, however, that these peoples' opinions doesn't necessarily represent the Opinion of America--and America doesn't even have a united opinion! Otherwise, there'd be no NEED for sites like this one!
If TV stations and ISPs are allowed to disclaim content, why not Governments?
0 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 19:52
It WAS hidden, that's what the outrage is about: These "wires" were over an encrypted, secure telegraph-type system, as opposed to E-Mails, Telephone, or some other system that is exposed to hacking.
Therefore, either sender or receiver of these wires had to be in on the sudden dissemination of this info.
I would expect your response if they had put it on a terminal in a corner somewhere with a connection to the Internet and no firewall, but not PRIVATE communications!
I forget, does E-Mail carry a "Reasonable Expectation Of Privacy"?
+50 # A. Leigh 2010-11-28 15:39
Julian Assange for Man of the Year Award! Free Bradley Manning!

Now, if only there were an equivalent "Politioleak" about how the mega rich buy US congressional representatives , lawmakers, judges,and news commentators.
+20 # hasapiko 2010-11-28 17:22
Quoting A. Leigh:
Now, if only there were an equivalent "Politioleak" about how the mega rich buy US congressional representatives, lawmakers, judges,and news commentators.

Roger that!!
+4 # joyfulsunrise 2010-11-28 18:29
It will happen. Check out the offered and accepted bribes from corporations to lawmakers. SR.150
+4 # Hooligan 2010-11-28 23:31
There is! Go see the movie "Inside Job".
+2 # Hooligan 2010-11-29 00:16
There is! Check out the movie "Inside Story." If you're not angry now, you will be when you see this.
+12 # María Eugenia Sáez M 2010-11-28 15:47
Bah! Nothing new in the US invading and destroying countries at the same time it calls its critics "Hitler"
+9 # Don Emilio 2010-11-28 16:10
I'm sure all Americans are delighted to live in a democracy where elections are decided by an informed electorate. That must be why the administration is overjoyed that this information, which they would have eagerly revealed had they not misplaced it, was recovered and revealed by Wikileaks. No doubt Obama has already made plans to award a Freedom Medal to Julian Assange.

By the way, how's that superpower thingy going for you?
+4 # John Lewis 2010-11-28 23:58
May I just add this little something here that a true demacracy is a government of the people by the people. Well if we live in democracy are we not entitled to know what decisions our politicians have taken on our behalf? Presently it is far from being a true democracy that we live in when the elected people have become a bunch of warmongers who hide all their crime and have the "balls" to tell us they do this for the betterment of humanity. B...S..t.
+1 # heraldmage 2010-11-29 15:44
While for propaganda reasons or maybe simplicity the USA & other governments call themselves democracies in reality there are none.
The USA is actually a representative republic - elect representatives to vote & voice opinion of constituents. Great Britain is a parliamentary monarchy, and Israel & Iran are parliamentary theocracies.
Once computer security is assured we could become a true democracy with the people voting on every bill with elected Congressional representatives acting as spokesman & negotiator for their constituents.
-1 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 21:01
Actually, this Cable Scandal proves that even NON-Internet systems are not truly secure, as long as someone in the system is willing to betray it.
I work as a computer-repair man, and most the attacks now are not REAL virii, or even worms, but "social engineering"--t ricks to falsely entice someone to click on a link and infect THEMSELVES!

Hey, maybe a "heroic" journalist would reveal how everyone voted! Then we could see if people still thought loss of privacy in an offline system was funny or not!
0 # rock 2010-12-01 22:37
Yeah! You hit a home run there!
+2 # Corry 2010-11-28 16:10
This will probably be in the paper tomorrow
+36 # JSully 2010-11-28 16:21
Finally...Someo ne with a conscience... and guts to go with it: Julian Assange
+3 # Takhoma 2010-11-28 16:24
Why does any government make "available" any "sensitive" conversations? And you're surprised when it becomes public? What arrogance!
+10 # Timaloha 2010-11-28 16:39
They didn't make it available. It was secret information. Which was then stolen and made public. That's the whole point.
+24 # Rafael Martínez Aleq 2010-11-28 16:35
Since the MSM is owned by Corporations, we no longer have free press as granted by the the constitution. Lo and behold there come to our salvation WilkiLeaks.
-30 # Annette Smith 2010-11-28 16:44
I don't see the "heroism" here at all. What does this man think he will accomplish? wwIII?
+2 # Foxtrottango 2010-11-28 20:19
For once, I like to think it could be more of a French Revolution when the heads came off!

But than, the world is too civilized to do that even to war criminals like GWBush, Dickie boy Cheney, Herr Karl Rove, and even Condi Rice.
0 # Mulekist 2010-11-28 22:06
Only that the TRUTH will OUT and that is enough for me.

Quoting Annette Smith:
I don't see the "heroism" here at all. What does this man think he will accomplish? wwIII?
0 # rock 2010-11-29 10:00
"I don't see the "heroism" here at all. What does this man think he will accomplish? wwIII?"

I think you are right. That seems to be the kind of mindset we are dealing with. Kind of a reverse Dr. Strangelove maybe?
-1 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 20:08
I think outing our diplomats is going to make the Government want to skip the diplomacy part, since enemy countries seem to want to lie to us and stall, then express surprise when we attack them.

Or do you truly believe that all other countries EXCEPT America approach the negotiating table with good intentions and bargain in good faith?

If so, why did North Korea accept food from America in exchange for NOT developing a nuke--then turn around and develop a nuke anyways?

Did everyone in North Korea have their fingers crossed during that "deal"?
+29 # Archie1954 2010-11-28 16:47
When will people understand that it's not the telling of the tale that causes problems but the subject matter of the tale? If the US wasn't involved in undiplomatic activities it wouldn't have to worry about this kind of disclosure.
0 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 21:17
Are you saying no other country, past, present, or future, has ever behaved this way? Maybe Iran would benefit from disclosure of how they use HAMAS to smuggle weapons and stir up trouble in neighboring countries? Or Afghanistan--or any other country that receives American money while whining about our influence--migh t benefit from an audit to see if the money was being pocketed, rather than used to upgrade the nation?
I think the problem isn't that America got outed, it's that ONLY America got outed, which is making other countries smug and sanctimonious, even though their countries do the same or worse!

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, even if THEIR "glass" hasn't turned "transparent" yet!
-1 # billy bob 2010-11-29 22:37
I think the problem is people who comment on articles without reading them.
+13 # Deirdre 2010-11-28 16:55
Most countries seem to have their spies, official or unofficial, based in their embassies/consu lates, with other of their spies floating around incognito, nothing new there. But why is it just the US targeted? What I'd like to read now are leaks from the governments of China, Russia, France, Germany, Japan, Italy, and EU headquarters (especially), chemical and drugs companies and drugs testing organisations, cosmetic companies, food companies, the IMF and . . . O well, dream on. To make sure leaks never happen in this way again I foresee censorship of the internet within the power of one possible owner of it. Who will that be I wonder?
+33 # billy bob 2010-11-28 17:02
I think living in a republic means that private citizens KEEP their privacy whereas the government has no secrets to hide.

A plutocracy or a tyranny is just the opposite.

When we complain that we don't want the government groping us or looking at our nude bodies in public we are asked why we care, "if we have nothing to hide".

Now, the shoe is on the other foot. The problem is that the very government that is seeking new ways to humiliate and intimidate its own electorate, doesn't want the very people who "elect" it to know what it's up to.

Why should it care what wikileaks is posting, "if it has nothing to hide"?
-1 # rock 2010-12-01 22:40
"I think living in a republic means that private citizens KEEP their privacy whereas the government has no secrets to hide."

Sure, Billy, that would be nice in dreamland.
+12 # Just An Observer 2010-11-28 17:09
Nothing to see here folks, move along...LOL! Seriously, all that has happened is some names and places get ID'ed but the story of people behaving the way they do at high levels of power remains the same. I did like the Russia as a mafia state thing and figure Japan with their Yakuza working hand in hand with the LDP for decades as well as US mobs working with the gov't (remember Iran-Contra and many other stories?) are also the same kind of syndicate-polit ical establishment cooperation that's gone on for a very long time.

Nice to read the Arab leaders are antsy over Iran's nuclear ambitions. Will Cairo and Riyahd be targets now? What about some executive action against Saudis backing "terrorist" organizations? As Reagan once said, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter so expect Saudi supporters to contribute, just as they have done for DECADES.

The song remains the same. All we now know is some words for the chorus that we didn't know for sure before.
-1 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 21:20
I too, liked reading that about the other countries worrying about one of their neighbors becoming too powerful...But why were we ONLY reading American opinions, but not Iran's side of the story?
And what do you want to bet that Iran, North Korea, and the other countries with nuclear ambitions would have some variant of, "All we have to do is keep the Americans busy until we have the power to threaten them...Nukes will deter any punishment!"?
+6 # Heartbeatt 2010-11-28 17:15
Oh, I do enjoy this. For many of the aforementioned reasons. I want everything out in the open and believe that is the way to promote democracy and respect. It is also satisfying that a great number of people deeply understand the cleansing process aspect.

Besides, most people working for our governments and embassies are so accustomed to the daily cloak and dagger number, thus are cynical, so I wonder why there is such a fuss. I doubt whether any proof of harm to individuals or countries will ever emerge. It's just the same old tired plot that thinks we can't cope with truth.
0 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 21:22
You're right, actually: But it's not just OUR Governments and embassies! Iran doesn't want things in the open, as evidenced by repeated rejection of nuclear inspectors. China and North Korea seem to have a Hidden Agenda too...Why is only America being called on it?
+1 # billy bob 2010-11-29 22:35

step 2. make comments based on the ARTICLE ITSELF rather than guesses about what might be contained in it.
+22 # R Perman 2010-11-28 17:39
I learned different things about WWII. My American father was a pilot flying war material. My mother a German civilian who survived the air raids of Berlin, the firebombing of Dresden, and the Russian occupation. Stories from both reveal ugly realities. If the horror of WWII could be boiled down to a single element it would be that civilians of all lands were lied to about the actions of their militaries, and that they did not act dynamically to seek the truth. Assange is a very courageous person and am grateful.
0 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 21:24
Yes, but WikiLeaks is doing a one-sided "dissemination" . Imagine some "heroic" third party taking it upon himself to end the war by handing Goering the plans for D-Day, WITHOUT handing something equally damaging to Roosevelt or Churchill?
That WOULD, technically, be "Ending The War", but it would be picking the winner!
+1 # billy bob 2010-11-29 22:52
Are you saying that public knowledge of American diplomats behaving unprofessionall y poses a national security risk? Do you think 3rd world countries we bomb are just sitting around waiting for wikileaks to reveal information that you, yourself, claim is meaningless?
-2 # EPGAH 2010-11-30 13:38
No, I think they're going to hit us, then whimper if we hit back, or even if we call them names, because we hurt their FEELINGS!
They cannot or will not draw any causal relationship between what they did and what happened to them.
Take the firebombing of Dresden. German factories were pumping out munitions, tanks, and even airplanes. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were War Factory towns also, legitimate military targets. The people who worked there may have been TECHNICALLY "civilians", but if they thought those were being used for peaceful purposes, they were in far greater denial than Americans, then or now!
0 # EPGAH 2010-11-30 13:41
Now, though, America apologizes everytime we punish a country for breaking the rules. America has even apologized for PAST punishments, like the nuking of Japan! How can we expect them to shape up if we APOLOGIZE for punishing them?
0 # rock 2010-12-01 22:41
Read the article.
+6 # Don D 2010-11-28 17:54
1)If the claim is true that this leak involves highly sensitive secrets, incl. tactical plans that could harm our troops in the Persian Gulf, the person who leaked the information is guilty of treason and should be appropriately punished, perhaps hanged; however, the reason that I begin my comments with the word "if" is that I find a certain inconsistency between the common interpretation that this is a "bombshell," and the fact that the documents were only marked "Secret." "Secret" is actually a very low level, below "Top Secret," for example, and as the article states, available to millions. Why, if so sensitive, was this material designated merely "Secret"?

2)It is the business of the press to ferret out secrets, and that of our government and military to keep them from doing so. This adversary relationship usually works well, and is necessary to retain freedom of the press.
-1 # Saure 2010-11-28 17:55
3 billion people on Earth in 1910 and @ 7 billion today. Which resource will we run out of first? Also, solve aging and find a means to another earth-type planet in another solar system. So why are these ? running around saying all this and ignoring the important issues mentioned above? Do we not get a chance to grow up and find another place to expand in the universe or are we condemned by those that are further ahead of us in the universe(s)?
+1 # GeraldT 2010-11-28 19:00
You got it, Saure! I'm in line for the very first Soylent Green franchise, so I'll be set for life in a couple years.
-8 # Tucker 2010-11-28 18:54
Wiki leaks is simply a new propaganda organ disguised as some sort of "independent" press outlet. Yeah. Bomb iran. Thats a good policy direction....yo u people are so gullible.
+1 # thomaf 2010-11-29 00:08
Yeah, Tucker, Wikileaks is simply a propaganda organ, of course no one seriously considers bombing Iran, no body bombs other nations. Damn, we're gullible and naive.
+3 # Dschmidt 2010-11-28 18:56
Do you think that, in a nasty and dangerous world secrecy has a valid place? Can we function in this nasty world without the ability to exchange information and thoughts when we are at war without complete "transparency?" Do you think our enemies are ready to be similarly "transparent?"
-1 # rock 2010-12-01 22:43
Many very naive people seem to think so.
+4 # Kurika 2010-11-28 19:07
Wikileaks should release ONLY some of the stuff, wait for the damage control team to try to talk themselves out of the mess and then, once they have lied through their teeth, release MORE stuff that will prove that the damage control were all lies!
+2 # billy bob 2010-11-28 21:48
Maybe that's what they're doing.
+1 # Dick Huopana 2010-11-28 19:17
Saure, if there is life on another planet it surely is far more intelligent than Earth's human species. Indeed, during my 82-year lifetime the Earth's human species has proven its intelligence and character so flawed that it shouldn't be allowed to perpetuate its existence by similarly
contaminating other planets and risking pollution of the entire universe. Therefore, by copy of this posted comment, I urge our outer-space superiors to protect the health of the universe by keeping us earthlings confined to here on Earth until we inevitably cause ourselves to become extinct. Trust me, the way things are currently going, extinction won't take long.
0 # Foxtrottango 2010-11-28 20:23
This government has made Human beings as the only species on planet earth that merit extinction.

Mother Nature will indeed have the last laugh!
0 # Patricia Chang 2010-11-28 23:24
+3 # billy bob 2010-11-28 23:30
The government is not really the best representation of the human species. I still haven't given up hope on our entire species. I just think there should be some justice.
-1 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 21:07
I agree, but I think the abuses of China, any of the terrorist countries, or any African nation, for that matter, would FAR outweigh American "abuses".

Read this month's National Geographic. Disgusting pictures, but I think sometimes people NEED to be disgusted to remind them why something is bad. A girl in Afghanistan got her nose chopped off for disobeying her husband, and another one got locked in a room because she refused to accept her 70-year-old husband...She was TWELVE!
Why aren't THOSE abuses being brushed across the Internet?

Or why hasn't he put up truths about terrorist leaders that might save American lives?

Instead, we get tabloid garbage: One diplomat notices that Iran keeps stalling, another points out that Afghanistan is corrupt, and still another points out that Russia is in the pocket of their own Mafia? What's "heroic" about any of that?
+2 # billy bob 2010-11-29 22:31
Do you think the abuses of women and children in Afghanistan have anything to do with why we're there? Do you think any of those abuses have been, in any way, alleviated by our military presence?
0 # shugie 2010-11-30 20:12
Quoting billy bob:
Do you think the abuses of women and children in Afghanistan have anything to do with why we're there? Do you think any of those abuses have been, in any way, alleviated by our military presence?

The cultural vein of misogyny in Afghanistan is reinforced by the similar domination ethos that our military brings to that country. Patriarchal control of women globally has many faces, and our own patriarchal policies in this country (have you looked at how many more women leaders there are in Nordic countries?) and our methods violence are a simple reinforcement for the hate crimes against women in ANY country we invade and try to control. When the men in Afghanistan feel as though they are powerless against invading peoples, they naturally take their hatred and frustration out on those who are already subjugated--wom en. And so the cycle of domination perpetuates. The best thing that could ever happen in Afghanistan will not begin with the U.S. but rather with the WOMEN in Afghanistan (and all other misogynist countries) when they succeed in overthrowing patriarchy and the domination ethos which it espouses. continued...
0 # shugie 2010-11-30 20:22
...Currently our country, from the outside, looks and behaves like a teenage boy. Secrecy and lies are the direct symptom of patriarchal, domination tactics (similar to how a college fraternity operates). The "hero" is the woman and man who does not fear the repercussions of truth speaking.
Let us not suffer from tunnel vision, take a step back, and reinvision a world where our leaders are in equal part women who have los ovarios to overthrow traditional methods of the secrecy and domination that a patriarchal system espouses. Let us all not fear speaking truth and let us applaud those who make any attempt for truth telling/reveali ng regardless of the outcome or how difficult the process may become. Thanks for the comments Billy Bob.
+3 # billy bob 2010-11-29 22:33
Also, I'm an American citizen. I don't live in Rwanda. I don't have a lot of control over foreign governments. I DO, however, want to be informed of the actions of MY OWN government.
0 # EPGAH 2010-11-30 00:21
I want to be informed of the actions of my Government too, but I don't want the whole WORLD to be informed of MY Government's actions UNLESS we were also kept apprised of THEIR actions and thoughts. Since there is no way to only tell one group of people, then ALL Governments and their documents should be shown to the public.
If we were playing poker, and my cards were all on the table, but yours were almost part of your lapel, you'd have significant advantage.
+1 # Jerry 2010-11-28 19:26
If anyone wants to really get a sense of how governments treat each other I recommend reading: "Legacy of Ashes, The history of the CIA" by Tim Weiner.
-1 # DurangoKid 2010-11-28 20:01
Anything that throws a stick in the spokes of the neo-liberal juggernaut. Thanks, JA!
+3 # Dale E. Wilson 2010-11-28 20:12
This will surely send the rats scurrying and the spin doctors spinning. This sort of thing should be required reading throughout the world.
If i wasn't an athiest i'd say GOD BLESS JULIAN ASSANGE.
Long Live Wikileaks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
0 # thomaf 2010-11-29 00:15
Right on, Dale. I do believe our next comic book super hero will be a whistle blower, and people will become braver and more enlightened to the benefits of revealing the dark horrors of "secrets". "Organize, Educate, Emancipate"
0 # Oopsies! 2010-11-28 21:16
"As on previous occasions the Guardian is redacting information likely to cause reprisals against vulnerable individuals"
Oh, so we'll have to read Le Monde then?
+8 # BeaDeeBunker 2010-11-28 21:19
If the W. H. is so concerned about the damage to our 'national security' with the outing of these 'secret' documents, then why aren't Cherney and Bush in prison for outing the CIA operative Valerie Plame? Doubtless this caused the 'death' of countless 'clandestine' agents.
Oh, and remember, Ms. Plame was only dealing with issues concerning nuclear materials and weapons, and the proliferation of such items! Duh, and double duh, and a good Homer Simpson doh, to boot!!!
0 # Joseph C. Stockett 2010-11-28 22:08
Ever since the USA framed me on illegal gun possession charges in 2003 I have been praying that these filthy American government officials would have the light of truth beamed on their wicked and foul enterprises. I am laughing myself ecstatic over this exposure of American perfidy in foreign policy. They are nothing but immoral cowards afraid of having their ruinous conduct exposed. You, Mr. America, are nothing but a paper tiger lacking in guts, principles, morality, or integrity. Your own wickedness rebukes you.
0 # thomaf 2010-11-29 00:37
Well, Joseph, you're missing an important point; we are they, and they are us. The deceit and lies go on in all nations. The U.S. deserves to be outed, but, don't get too sanctimonious, the poo where you come from stinks just as badly. This Master-Slavery relationship between Governments and Citizenry hasn't proven successful.
-2 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 20:00
Maybe the US "deserves" to be outed...But why are any of these other countries "deserving" of secrecy?
0 # billy bob 2010-11-29 22:28
Read the article and you'll see that other countries are discussed just as much, if not more, than the U.S.
-1 # terry 2010-11-30 13:52
'framed' hahahaha, not a guilty person in prison either, just ask any of them. Oh, as far as principles and morality, the Middle East comes to mind, along with China, Russia, Japan, most of Europe, so we're not alone Joe.
+2 # Hector Lopez 2010-11-28 23:13
How about some leaks about Latin America, Puerto Rico is included?. Why Puerto Rico is denied its independence? Independence for Puerto Rico now!!
+7 # Patricia Chang 2010-11-28 23:23
And the traitors in Washington-both sides of the aisle- want to take away MY Social Security benefits, so that a deeply corrupt Afghanistan government can carry off 52 million dollars?!!! Our government has betrayed the American people by these actions. They are literally selling us down the river. Their lies, their duplicity, their arrogance is overwhelming. Our healthcare system; our educational system; our environment; our ECONOMY is suffering so that these arrogant liars can continue to wreak havoc around the world. We desperately need a DECENT, SENSIBLE THIRD PARTY, devoid of hatemongers and racists, to clean house. The stench from Washington is unbearable.
+2 # Susan 2010-11-28 23:26
So far as I can tell, none of the revelations are bombshells; everything that was disclosed is mostly in line with my expectations. I still congratulate Julian Assange & Wikkileaks for providing the necessary counter-balance for censorship of the media and the layers of secrecy that keep our government from being accountable. I think that the best possible outcome of these disclosures is that some of the sheep might wake up. Restore our civil rights!
+1 # Hooligan 2010-11-28 23:36
There is! Go see the movie "Inside Story",if you're not angry now you will be after you see this.
+4 # Bea Dee Bunker 2010-11-28 23:42
Nothing really seems to matter, one-way or the other. The strings attached to the puppet are made of some high strength material. Those who are pulling the strings seem untouchable.
The senior citizen who held up the big sign at a Tea Party rally which said, "Keep the government's hands off my Medicare;" how does the revealing of this material affect him and his kind? It doesn't.
How does the revealing of all this material affect the people who waited on line for 12 hours on 'Black Friday' to buy a new iPhone at a bargain price? It doesn't.
The Roman Empire fell because people got 'stupid;' they ate off pewter plates (lead poisoning) and couldn't think straight.
The American Empire is falling because we are swallowing whole, what the corporate media feeds us as fast food. We still seem to believe that we are a 'democracy.' We are in name only; we are a plutocracy. Don't know what a plutocracy is? Look it up, kiddies...we've been stepping in it for a while now. Our bargain footwear is covered in it. And, they were such pretty shoes once.
Sad so sad.
0 # Paul 2010-11-28 23:56
When the clever folk are revealed they can always depend upon the ignorant, to speak in favor of killing the messanger; in fact they put a great deal of trust in this fact, history being the teacher

The story of Christ's crucifixion is a great example; sure it can be and is denied, but denial of a truth has never and will never change one fact.
+2 # billy bob 2010-11-29 00:21
I think it's interesting that the same country that bin laden is from and was the home to all but one of the 9-11 hijackers wants us to bomb Iran.

They probably wanted us to bomb Afghanistan and Iraq as well. I always found it interesting that the ONLY civilian airplane in the ENTIRE U.S. that was allowed to fly the day after the attacks was one that was flying all over the country picking up the rest of the bin laden family (with a military escort), to help them escape the U.S. before the American public got ugly.

Does anyone else find these facts a bit at odds with all we've been sold by the MSM for the past 9 years?
0 # Otto Schiff 2010-11-29 00:38
Reading all the comments, I have to conclude that the release of all these secret items is either a good idea or a not so good idea.
We will have to await the consequences.
0 # Denny Werk 2010-11-29 11:39
In the meantime, we should 'drain the swamp' in Wishington(sorr y: Washington)to make sure the next cycle isn't repeated. What else is necessary?
0 # Denny Werk 2010-11-29 11:42
In the meantime we should drain the swamp in Wishington(sorr y:Washington) to assure the cycle won't repeat itself. What else should be done? Comment.
0 # Babe 2010-11-29 02:08
After reading the whole dang thing above, I didn't read one dang word about "What happened to the 7 billion dollars that disappeared in Iraq?" I didn't read anything in that bit of sampling above, that wasn't anything that anyone didn't already suspect. So what's all the harranging about? Now, if they found the 7 bil. burried in a treasure trove in Cheney's back yard--whoa! That would be something to talk about!
0 # aljoschu 2010-11-29 07:44
"Such disclosures put at risk our diplomats, intelligence professionals, and people around the world who come to the US for assistance in promoting democracy and open government. By releasing stolen and classified documents, WikiLeaks has put at risk not only the cause of human rights but also the lives and work of these individuals."
- What hypocrites in the White House! - Look at the Valerie Plames' case.
The White House and Pentagon have systematically excluded the American people and its friends and allies from what is actually going on on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan. They have lied and betrayed all of us regarding their true objectives for the attack of Iraq. They have implemented so-called embedded journalism to manipulate the public. They conducted a propaganda warfare only paralleled by totalitarian systems of the past.
Now there is WikiLeaks truely "promoting democracy and open government". What a satire. Somehow, again and again, through sometimes murky and nebulous ways, justice prevails. Isn't it great! - Thanks Julian Assange - a true Don Quixote of modern times.
0 # Bea Dee Bunker 2010-11-29 19:44
"Look at the Valerie Plames' case."
Check out my second comment regarding Valerie Plame.
-1 # Chuck, Texas 2010-11-29 07:44
I'm not too keen on the disclosure of classified information at this scale While it's entertaining to many, I think it undermines peace. The international political process to preserve peace is 'messy' but I already knew that.
-1 # EPGAH 2010-11-29 21:35
Yes, the process to enforce peace is messy, but other countries make messes too, so why aren't their "secret machinations" being outed? Why ONLY America?
-1 # billy bob 2010-11-29 22:26
The revelations of this leak don't appear to have as much to do with "enforcing peace" as diplomatic gossip and spying.

The article itself, if you had read it, outs the "secret machinations" of Russia, Saudi Arabia, and the U.K. as well.
-1 # terry 2010-11-29 09:20
Although most of my comments are edited out and never printed, I'll say again, all you people want to feel warm and cuddly praising one another for your feelings and opinions, all the while dismissing opinions of those who feel differently. It will remain a truism, 'LIBERALS WON'T TOLERATE DISCUSSION'.
+2 # billy bob 2010-11-29 17:58

We're HAVING a discussion right in front of you. You're invited to join. Other conservatives have already commented - some of them have commented several times. What's the problem?
-1 # terry 2010-11-30 13:45
Cut it out Billy Bob, you guys go back and forth congratulating yourselves for being astute and foreright, all the while undermining the USA. What truly bothers me is that you expect so very much of America, but chafe at a mention of 'justice' for all those that would harm us. Guantanamo, civilian trials, 1st amendment rights, welfare, housing, education, loan assistance, the list is way to vast for me to continue Billy Bob
+1 # terry 2010-11-30 13:47
BTW, yes, conservatives sometimes do try to join your discussion, and you can mostly tell who they are, the ones with the RED NUMBERS for thumbs down.
+2 # billy bob 2010-12-16 01:33
Are we supposed to go along with what you say? I'm sorry. I thought "argument" meant we were allowed to disagree. I guess you're right. The liberals won't play by your rules.
0 # Kurika 2010-11-29 13:31
Wikileaks should release ONLY some of the stuff, wait for the damage control team to try to talk themselves out of the mess and then, once they have lied through their teeth, release MORE stuff that will prove that the damage control were all lies!
-1 # terry 2010-11-30 13:49
My answer to all of you liberals is to stick with what got you where you are,

IT'S BUSH'S FAULT, (throw in a Cheney now and again too)
0 # gr8macaw 2011-04-26 20:40
What do we have left?

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