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Excerpt: "Speaking on CNN's State of the Union on Sunday, Cheney said Obama was inconsistent for criticizing the former administration's approach to terrorism while also using 'some of the same techniques the Bush administration did.'"

File photo, Dick Cheney speaking, 03/19/09. (photo: Matthew Cavanaugh/EPA/Corbis)
File photo, Dick Cheney speaking, 03/19/09. (photo: Matthew Cavanaugh/EPA/Corbis)

Cheney Wants an Apology From Obama

By Meghashyam Mali, The Hill

02 October 11


ormer Vice President Dick Cheney applauded the US drone strike that killed American-born al Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki but added that President Obama now owed the Bush administration an apology for claiming they "overreacted to 9/11."

Speaking on CNN's State of the Union on Sunday, Cheney said Obama was inconsistent for criticizing the former administration's approach to terrorism while also using "some of the same techniques the Bush administration did."

"We developed the technique and the technology for it," said Cheney of the drone strike that killed Awlaki.

Cheney took particular issue with the administration's reluctance to describe the fight against al Qaeda as a "war" and Obama's 2009 speech in Cairo where he walked back from many Bush administration policies.

"The thing I'm waiting for is for the administration to go back and correct something they said two years ago when they criticized us for 'overreacting' to the events of 9/11," said Cheney. "They, in effect, said that we had walked away from our ideals, or taken policy contrary to our ideals when we had enhanced interrogation techniques."

"Now they clearly had moved in the direction of taking robust action when they feel it is justified. I say in this case I think it was, but I think they need to go back and reconsider what the president said when he was in Cairo," he added.

"If you've got the president of the United States out there saying we overreacted to 9/11 on our watch, that's not good," said Cheney.

When asked by CNN host Candy Crowley if Cheney expected an apology from the president, the former vice president said, "Well, I would. I think that would be not for me, but I think for the Bush administration, and that he misspoke when he gave that speech in Cairo two years ago."

His daughter Liz Cheney, co-founder of Keep America Safe, a national security advocacy group, agreed and rebuked the president for his earlier criticism of enhanced interrogation techniques.

"I think he did tremendous damage. I think he slandered the nation and I think he owes an apology to the American people. Those are the policies that kept us safe," she said.

"We know now Leon Panetta has said some of the intelligence we gained through that program helped us identify the location of bin Laden. So I think the president owes everybody an apology, frankly."

Cheney praised the strike however and defended the president's decision. "I do think this was a good strike. I think the president ought to have that kind of authority to order that kind of strike, even when it involves an American citizen when there is clear evidence that he's part of al Qaeda, planning, cooperating and supporting attacks against the United States," he said.

Awlaki was an influential leader in al Qaeda. But the Obama administration's decision to authorize the killing of the American-born cleric led to criticism from civil rights advocates who said he should have received a trial in American court.

"I think you've got to go through the process internally, making certain it's reviewed by the appropriate people in the Justice Department, that they take a good, careful look at it. But I think they did all of that in this case. And I think the president has all the authority he needs to order this kind of strike," said Cheney. your social media marketing partner


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+108 # tedrey 2011-10-02 15:58
I really don't care that much whether torturers, terrorists, and mass murderers apologize to one another or not. But they shouldn't be allowed to hold high office or claim to act and speak for us.
+26 # NanFan 2011-10-03 03:17
Did the Bush admin create those drones JUST for them??? So what if Obama used them to get after the al Qaeda? Bravo!

Cheney is an egocentric maniac who needs to be in chains. Apology??? For what? For saying Bush/Cheney "overreacted to 9/11" by GOING INTO IRAQ?? Yes, that was wrong to do and illegal. It was more than an overreaction; it was a crime, an invasion!!! and the murder of innocent people.

Get off the airwaves, Chainmaster. And you mainstream media, start talking to the people who count! Stop giving criminals air time. The rest of the world won't even let these criminals into their countries; we should silence them in ours! And do it now!

-6 # tomo 2011-10-04 22:53
Obama has followed Cheney in most things. If Cheney dies while Obama is President, I am sure Obama will say some complimentary things to make up for the lack of endorsing Cheney in an unqualified way just now--while Obama is seeking once again to con his former base into re-electing him. Cheney should be patient.
+85 # USA2012??? 2011-10-02 16:15
This entity isn't really Dick Cheney or any other human being: Dick Cheney died of a heart attack years ago. Someone needs to find out who or what this thing is calling itself Dick Cheney.
+25 # Bourbaki 2011-10-02 18:27
Evel does no go away that easily
+15 # CL38 2011-10-02 21:45
You are so right. If he had a heart, he lost it a long time ago.
+12 # pernsey 2011-10-02 22:12
LOL!! He's heartless he will live forever YUCK!!! I cant stand this slimey bugger!
+2 # doneasley 2011-10-03 22:16
It's a fugitive hiding in plain sight. An evil, vile, vicious, despicable thing that sends forth a sickening stench. And what is that thing clinging to it? Oh, that's the thing they call Liz.
+139 # Vardette 2011-10-02 16:21
And Chaney should apologize for starting an illegal war for profit that killed pehaps a million Iraqis and displaced millions more. Chaney should apologize for allowing 911 to happen in the 1st place. Clinton stopped a previous attempt. Cnaney should thank Obama for killing Bin Laden when they failed to do it and have now dragged on expensive wars for profit while flooding the world with arms for a decade that is now bankrupting our nation. Chaney should apologize for outting Valerie Plame which compromised our intelligence around the world as reported on C- Span by CIA agentts. Drone attacks may have killed a few bad guys but has also killed truck loads of innocent men, women and children and casued countless suicides of our soldiers. Chaney should apologize for deregulating the banks and all our protective agencies that has led to our current economic crisis. Chaney should apologize for allowing legal torture and creating the Patriot Act that has destroyed our civil liberties and created a monster spy matrix with no oversight and operates above the law! Now Obama is bringing the troops home which will save lives on both sides and help our economy. Chaney should thank Obama for that.
+27 # Riley1 2011-10-02 20:11
It Is not a question of apology. The whole Bush administration and all the The Neo conservative hawks that were well established in office using discredited intelligence to start a unjustified war for profit in Iraq are responsible for the deaths and injury of millions of our fellow human beings.If you accept that premise look to the main culprits Richard Perle and Donald Wolferwitz members of the a zionist cabal aided and abetted by Cheney and his parrot Bush should all be dragged to a world court and tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity.We do this to other political criminals.Yet we fail in the case against the leaders of the so called free world. However if the American people by some miracle as a whole wake up and have the intelligence to understand what is happening around them there is hope for the country. However sadly only a minority of Americans at the monent have that capacity to understand the issues involved.The Obama administration has country so polarised between right and left that no sensible good governance or policy is possible. Congress is so divided by self interest and mad and bad and dangerous to know lobbists as to be hamstrung.What we have is nation so divided and ruled by fear as to be impotent.The land of the free and the home of the brave is no more . Just words.The America of Eisinhower I so admired and respected is long gone.
-6 # grindermonkey 2011-10-03 08:26
That was Clinton that deregulated the banks and no apology has been forthcoming from that Criminal as well. And at is the America that FDR's New Deal created that is long gone.
+101 # coach777b 2011-10-02 16:37
Let me see, When He'll Freezes Over! Wait for it. After you apologize to the 4000+ Americans who died in your war. What an asshole.
+26 # vitobonespur 2011-10-02 21:10
I still think someone ought to buy him a microwave oven, then tell him if he stands real close while it's running his bank account will double.

This guy must have balls the size of rotten grapefruits. For him, or anyone else from that administration, to suggest they are owed an apology for *anything* is totally beyond the pale.

They should be kissing America's ass in thanks that they've not been made to answer for the incredible mess in which they left our country.
+83 # Writ 2011-10-02 16:43
Cheyney and Bush wants Pres. Obama to apology? After he and Bush destroyed this country and ran it into depression. He and his cronies usurps the rights of citizens, sent jobs to other countries, and started unnecessary wars. Its odd the psychology of guilty people. They know their guilt and something inside them won't let them rest until the truth about them comes out. He is going to talk and talk until 9/11 is reinvestigated and then more of his secrets will be out. Not that most of us don't already suspect them and many now even voicing them. Better to shut up Mr. Cheyney and prepare for your war crimes trial instead.
+59 # rom120 2011-10-02 16:47
While Cheney is correct that Obama has done just about the same things he criticized Bush for, the creep should shut up and disappear. He and Bush should be in front of the International Court for their crimes committed.
The spineless International court however prosecutes only "small, unimportant" rulers instead of the real criminals. The US set a precedence with the Nuernberg trials, (which by International standards, existing laws were a farce, mainly they were post facto). Why not then use the same "laws" on American war criminals? Go figure.
+98 # Wildliberal 2011-10-02 16:51
Cheney owes the world an apology. An unrepentant Cold Warrior with an historic inferiority complex, he is a war criminal, a liar, and a traitor. I hope his batteries quit!
+50 # CL38 2011-10-02 17:08
Cheney and Bush "slandered the nation" by using torture and lies to sell their invasion of Iraq...and Cheney, by benefiting financially from war policies they enforced.

So far, Cheney's been very fortunate not to have been prosecuted. If he continues poking his head out from under that rock he lives under, he may find the tide has turned and that's he's been indicted, along with Bush, as a War Criminal.
+9 # forparity 2011-10-02 17:11
Of course many sense that one of the reasons that the Obama administration has so upped (the numbers are striking) the use of hellfire missile drone attacks on terrorists, is that Obama had a serious resistance to capturing them, and being confronted with what to do with them then.

Even though the administration has kept the old Clinton/Gore policy of extraordinary rendition available to them (a policy Bush/Cheney seldom needed after Gitmo was opened) they seem to prefer killing to capturing and obtaining intelligence.

Now, there is less risk to US soldiers in using the drone policy, unless one considers the flash back anger created in the Islamic villages getting bombarded in the quiet of night.

I offer no opinion on what is preferred - and would offer that to some weighted extent, this was partially just the way the battle had been morphing towards for some time, as the technology became more and more readily available. I would, however, offer that the pain and suffering from the more innocent children and women bystanders seriously injured in these attacks make the suffering endured by the 3 loan terrorists who were water boarded by the Bush administration pale in comparison.
+19 # GeeRob 2011-10-02 19:36
Cheney/Bush used depleted uranium in Basra and Fallujah. Even death is kinder than d.u. and it has a half life of over 4 billion years.
I am not dismissing the suffering of innocents by drone attacks. But if you want to claim Cheney/Bush "just waterboarded" then you should read up on the absolute horror of depleted uranium.
Cheney is a monster and Bush was his puppet.
+13 # CL38 2011-10-02 22:03
Don't let Bush so easily off the hook. He is every bit as responsible as Cheney.

"Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President", was written by a psychiatrist, Justin Frank. He astutely analyzes Bush who was among many other things, a sadist.
-6 # forparity 2011-10-03 00:37
They say the military uses it. They were using it during the Clinton years - perhaps before. I do suppose that an administration could make a stand and order up putting an end to it. But Bush and Cheney didn't come in and start ordering that the military just suddenly start using depleted uranium.

How do you make up such nonsense?
+9 # GeeRob 2011-10-03 09:40
"They say"? No, parity, They Do. Depleted Uranium was first used in the Gulf War of 1991. Guess who was Secretary of Defense? None other than your crush, Dick Cheney.
The largest volume of DU to ever be fired has been in Iraq.
+1 # forparity 2011-10-03 13:02
Gee - I wasn't questioning it's use. I do believe it was used prior to the Gulf War (but I'd bet that was the first big use of it.) I have no idea what role Cheney played in the long process of it being developed (for penetrating purposes - you understand), but certainly he didn't put an end to the use of it. Neither did the Clinton during his 8 years.
+43 # Susan W 2011-10-02 17:15
When you have Dick Cheney praising anything you do you better believe that something is drastically wrong with your policies.
+31 # GeeRob 2011-10-02 17:17
Quid pro quo, Dick. Disconnect your battery pack for an hour and you get the apology.
-40 # forparity 2011-10-02 19:47
Why is it the left is so quick with the wishes for death and suffering for their political opposites?

Cheney would never be so callused as to say the same for you.
+21 # KittatinyHawk 2011-10-02 21:42
He and Bush et al have been intentionally killing people for decades
+3 # Phlippinout 2011-10-02 21:44
LOL, right!
+15 # vitobonespur 2011-10-02 22:05
So lies about WMD's, the connection of Saddam to Bin Laden, Iraq's nuclear capabilities do not count as threats, I assume. OK. And the Left are the only ones wishing for death and suffering. Except for one or two statements, like Rush Limbaugh hoping that the President "fails" which, of course, would be wishing undue hardships on the entire country. Or how aboout:

"I tell people don't kill all the liberals, leave enough around so we can have two on every campus; living fossils, so we will never forget what these people stood for."
--Rush Limbaugh

Re: President Clinton: "Get rid of him, impeach him, censure him, assassinate him." --Rep. James Hansen, R-Utah (11-1-98)

And what about right-wingers who have shot down doctors who provided abortions? And the Tea Party nimrods who bring guns to Presidential appearances?

You may want to re-think your statement. See if you can find an instance in which a Liberal assassinated a Conservative.
-9 # forparity 2011-10-03 00:52
Former President Clinton, July 22, 2003:

Bill Clinton -" I think the main thing I want to say to you is, people can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationaliz e Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks......... of biological and chemical weapons. ...... And what I think -- again, I would say the most important thing is we should focus on what's the best way to build Iraq as a democracy? [..]

We should be pulling for America on this. We should be pulling for the people of Iraq. We can have honest disagreements about where we go from here, and we have space now to discuss that in what I hope will be a nonpartisan and open way."

End excerpt.

Senator Carl Levin, Democrat - on Intelligence committee:

'Hardball with Chris Matthews' Nov. 7, 2005
Senator Carl Levin (D) of Michigan, a member of the Intelligence Committee

"- look there was plenty of evidence that Saddam had nuclear weapons, by the way. That is not in dispute. There is plenty of evidence of that."

Nov. 2005. Go figure.
-15 # forparity 2011-10-03 01:03
"And the Tea Party nimrods who bring guns to Presidential appearances? "

Slow down on the drugs OK? Anyone showing up with a gun at a Presidential appearance is in jail - as they should be.

Besides, Obama has really upped the fence them out which Bush had elevated from the Clinton years before.

There's a lot of loud voices out there. Just heard Rosanne call for beheading Republicans - nice.

Most everyone you see around Obama when he is out is bused in - locals are kept away - except for extremely orchestrated events.
+9 # reiverpacific 2011-10-03 11:11
Slow down on the drugs OK? Anyone showing up with a gun at a Presidential appearance is in jail - as they should be.

Besides, Obama has really upped the fence them out which Bush had elevated from the Clinton years before.

There's a lot of loud voices out there. Just heard Rosanne call for beheading Republicans - nice
Most everyone you see around Obama when he is out is bused in - locals are kept away - except for extremely orchestrated events.

Gosh mate, you must live in a cave sponsored by FOX studios.
I recall trying to get within FOUR blocks of Bush/Cheney visits to Portland, Oregon TWICE, encountering barricades at all sides and the Darth Vader riot-gear hard cases in phalanxes t'other sides of said barricades.
Obama seems pretty accessible at most public events as much as a president can be (especially given the amounts of racist threats directed at him and the gun-toting menace of the right).
So again you are hoisting y'r own tunnel-vision accusations based on the sins of the predecessors, who specialized in stage-,managed "public appearances" as do the current crop of Obama-Bashers and wannabe presidents, onto the other side of the equation.
Please use facts, not fabrications or you'll learn nothing!
-5 # forparity 2011-10-03 13:08
Sorry - as I said - or at least attempted to -- the security got upped during the Bush era - and is more stringent now.

I remember a stop by Obama up in Montana (??). A crowd of well wishers - supporters had gathered at the small airport. They were kept way back. As they waited to see the President, a convoy of buses pulled up - SEIU union workers bussed in. That's the cheering crowd the president waved to - as he entered the high priced affair where they dined on imported Kobe beef and lobster --- not Montana's famous grass fed organic beef.

It's the in-your-face crap that stands out.
+4 # reiverpacific 2011-10-03 10:14
Quoting forparity:
Why is it the left is so quick with the wishes for death and suffering for their political opposites?

Cheney would never be so callused as to say the same for you.

Not true!
I'm anti-death penalty and I agree that you can't be such and want one particular person to die, no matter how much the may appear to deserve it. I'd just like to see him do hard time for his crimes.
To put this in perspective, I remember Gore Vidal, in a recent interview on "Democracy Now" state "I'm against the the Death penalty but not for this crowd!".
But you are right in as much as they all should have PUBLIC due process served upon them, especially this coward in a suit who had SEVEN deferrals to prevent him serving in Vietnam but has no problem sending others to die for a lie!
By the way "callused" is a skin condition brought about by much use of that area of skin (like from hard and/or repetitive work) -hardly applicable to Cheney. I think you mean "Callous", which means unfeeling and inhumane, which most certainly does.
The very fact that he is still claiming justification for his crimes and support of torture, collateral damage and the calculated destruction of one of the cradles of civilization and the death or disabling of hundreds of thousands, make "callous" seem like a nursery story!
Wrong again pal!
+1 # MEBrowning 2011-10-04 16:25
No? He doesn't wish to kill people; he just has the military do it for him.
+23 # LetJusticeRoll 2011-10-02 17:23
If I were Obama, I would worry about being praised by Dick Cheney for drone strikes and assassinations. Unfortunately, Cheney is right - Obama has adopted some of the same policies and strategies as the Bush administration. They're wrong no matter which leader does them. Yes, Cheney and Bush were even worse, but it's easier for Obama supporters to overlook his misdeeds.
+16 # bvinson 2011-10-02 18:20
Yes, Cheney and bush are worse, and guess what? They've gotten by with any number of war crimes. Damned demons.
+37 # Fight Back 2011-10-02 17:37
There is no way in this world for Cheney to receive his just reward for all the evil he has perpetrated, not even if he spent every remaining instant of his life doing profound penance. He has no sense of shame, usually a symptom of sociopaths.
+35 # danrussell26 2011-10-02 17:37
Cheney can suck an egg! He has zero/zilch/nada /no moral authority to demand anything remotely related to an apology. He belongs in prison.
+45 # Rizerd 2011-10-02 17:41
When are Cheney and Bush going to apologize for taking us in to unending war and maiming and killing thousands?
-14 # forparity 2011-10-03 00:56
Probably as soon as LBJ apologizes for Vietnam and millions and millions more.

Or Bill Clinton for looking the other way as the Taliban seized control of Afghanistan in a horrible genocide.

Or Bill Clinton, who as he as promising Rwanda, "never again," was turning his back on the historic civil war and genocides next door already going on in the DR Congo - where upwards of 3 million would died by the end of 2000.

And on and on and on.

The 2000's saw much less war and death than the 1990's.

And now Obama is a killing machine.

And few care.
+9 # GeeRob 2011-10-03 10:50
Let's narrow the field of war and death to American involvement.
The 2000's saw much more war and death than the 1990's.
Cheney/Bush hold the top honors as killing machines; 2 UNFUNDED WARS while cutting taxes and sending our youth to Iraq with flimsy armor. And even then, Bush made sure the wealthy didn't have to pay for it.
"You go to war with the army you have..."
And you defend them.
-11 # forparity 2011-10-03 11:14
OK - leaving out the US knowledge of what was to be going on in Rwanda and later, the DR Congo (2 1/2 -3 million by end of 2000), and Afghanistan -- turning our back on these millions who were to die -- and not leading (world leader - supposedly) awareness in the world. OK.

One might ponder what the outcome of not coming to the aid of Afghanistan during the mid-90's crisis has actually cost the world in terms of lives lost. Would taking out the Taliban then -early on - accomplished more than forcing Bin Laden to set up shop elsewhere? Might he have met his fate earlier - or might he have become more powerful stationed in Somalia or Yemen . . or?

Sec Madeline Albright said that sanctions in Iraq during the Clinton years had caused the death of 1/2 million children - and that the cost was a necessary one (or "worth it" (?)). Of course the 4,5 or 6 named military campaigns in Iraq by Clinton took quite a toll in lives, as well (not as many as Bush's war - granted).

The flimsy armor was not Bush's fault . You do have the equipment you have - on day one of anything. You might recall that the US military had been left to scrap during the 90's (Clinton used all the cruise missiles - budget cuts) and Gore was proposing to spend more coming in than was Bush.

It is what it is.

Still - Yes, a heck of a bad plan.
+3 # GeeRob 2011-10-03 14:16
Day one was in its planning stage with the birth of PNAC in 1997. By the time GWB was inaugurated, the plan was well in motion. We would have invaded Iraq within a year except that Americans had to be "groomed."
18-eighteen!-members of PNAC were in the Bush Administration. Gary Schmitt, a former director for PNAC, stated upon their dissolution in 2007, "We did not have anyone sitting on Bush's shoulder."
Biggest lie I've ever heard.
-9 # forparity 2011-10-03 17:25
You might find this an interesting read.

Oh, there were many pondering such as this, in Salon:

Why President Gore might have gone into Iraq after 9/11, too . -- Americans don't think the world would be much different if he'd been president on 9/11 -- and they may be right
+1 # GeeRob 2011-10-03 19:15
I appreciate your civility, except when you accused me of nonsense.
As for Gore, we'll never know.
Couldn't, wouldn't, shouldn't?
-6 # forparity 2011-10-04 09:09
Gee Rob - I posted a comment which offered a bit of context to the op-ed at hand. Cheney has a darn good point. Obama, the left, the national media, took him to the woodshed over his actions and views following 9/11.

Seems to many now - that only after Obama became President (perhaps it began during the transition as the Bush transition team (an historic effort here) brought them up to date.), he realized that it couldn't be done his way.

Now - he's deeply involved in policies here - that this same left would have taken Cheney to the lumber mill over.

Read Jonah Goldberg's column today - a very honest appraisal of the issue.

Your rebuttal to me - ignored the entire challenging question in front of us - leaning to bring up some entirely different and unrelated matter to that at hand. Nonsense was there.

But I can change gears - did Pres Obama order end the use of DU entirely the day he came in? If not, then he would be just as guilty as you claim the Bush/Cheney folks were. See - you suggest that Cheney just up and says - "hey, why don't we create some new projectiles that not only are more effective - but that will leave a legacy of horror behind."

It doesn't work that way. Are all of them a bit calloused - and usually not being visionary as new advancements are introduced and put into service? Yep.
+3 # Todd Williams 2011-10-03 14:39
Forparity, stop taking acid NOW!
-3 # forparity 2011-10-03 17:23
Quite decades ago - please don't give me flashbacks!
+11 # Dick Huopana 2011-10-03 10:12
An apology from both Cheney and Bush for being draft-dodgers during the Vietnam War is also long overdue.
+6 # Dick Huopana 2011-10-03 11:35
The Vietnam Memorial Wall displays 58272 names of American casualties. Of those, 3415 were Texans who patriotically chose not to be draft-dodgers.
+9 # edensasp 2011-10-02 17:43
LOL... If only that technology had been implemented in the manner of which it was used successfully by the Obama administration, but then, The Bush administration wouldn't have been able to bring the only weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq and implement it into American policy, fear and injustice through dictatorial edict.
+35 # in deo veritas 2011-10-02 17:46
This war criminal wants an apology? People in hell wanting ice water and that is his ultimate destination-the sooner the better.
+21 # eaglew 2011-10-02 18:05
Evil is still evil and you will someday have to face your maker and explain yourself.
+24 # corey 2011-10-02 18:11
+21 # hwatt 2011-10-02 18:11
There is nothing in the world that makes what Dick Cheney or his daughter or CNN relevant to any on-going discourse regarding strategy, the economy or social issues. Really simply the ravings of someone who should be convicted of war crimes and his personal echo chamber. yet, for some incomprehensibl e reason, media sources of all shapes and assorted flavors repeat his drivel as though it has merit. This is how we got sold the WMDs and the invasion of Iraq.
The man is a proven liar who enriched his vested interests at the expense of this nation's liberty and good standing in the world.
There is nothing Cheney says that can be taken as anything other than spin and "shock and awe" bs. He had his chance to make good on Bin Ladin and he chose to go after Saddam. Enough already.
+25 # sfrider 2011-10-02 18:12
Delusions of grandeur complicated by senile dementia.
+21 # bvinson 2011-10-02 18:16
Dick Cheney is the last subhuman on earth to demand an apology from anybody, bar none. Considering his part in 9/11, which he's successfully gotten by with like all the wealthy do, how dare he open his contemptuous mouth at all. If he were smart, he would lay low and amuse himself with his millions. I have never in all my life seen a more evil face (note photo) than his. He should be on death row with his track record, but no, they did in Troy David instead, an innocent man.
-5 # amye 2011-10-02 18:30
Cheney is as sick as ever! And Obama is not looking good at all for re-election!
+14 # BobbyLip 2011-10-02 18:33
Well, Darth Cheney would think that the president has all the authority he needs to order murder, reviewed or not, wouldn't he? Murderous psychopaths always believe their actions, no matter how heinous, are justified. Wouldn't Hitler and Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot et al have been perfectly satisfied with the legality of their acts?
+25 # 2011-10-02 18:36
Cheney should be in jail, period.
+18 # anntares 2011-10-02 18:42
Read "Black Banners" by Ali Soufan, interrogator who got the information in humane, intelligent ways from terrorists that Cheney claims water-boarding elicited. Fact is, the flow of truthful information stopped when the water-boarding started. In his book, Soufan explains how he and his team got truth from terrorists by showing America's decent integrity, understanding the terrorist's world well enough to ask strategic questions, and knowing how to ask a seemingly harmless question then match the answer up with other information. Smart ... and without giving up those American values that the Bush administration trashed while waging a war against terrorists they said hate our values. Soufan now heads up a security consulting group. Hope our govt hires the Soufan Group to train new US interrogators.
+8 # SamWilliams3 2011-10-02 18:44
I thought Cheney and co. lost interest in bin Laden when capture appeared imminent - to invade a country with oil resources, instead? And wasn't Awlaki an exemplar of American values for the government during much of Cheney's reign? If Obama used Cheney-initiate d techniques to assassinate bin Laden and Awlaki, both should apologize - or stand trial.

I thought a royal edict of "off with his head" was a Lewis Carroll parody of regal excess - not SOP for the president of the US. Most people assume bin Laden was responsible for 9/11. Cheney said so and who could doubt him? But there has been no trial, no proof offered - at least not to the public. The same goes for Awlaki. I guess the 6th Amendment has become a little quaint. It is easier to simply kill anyone The Royal President (or RVP) doesn't like.

No apologies appear to be coming from any part of the US government, past or present for these matters.
+9 # MainStreetMentor 2011-10-02 18:45
I think way back during the aftermath of Hurrican Katrina, the citizen who spoke to Dick Cheney got it right then ... and the same comments from that citizen still apply today:http://ww atch?v=p3SemYQH -8o
+16 # futhark 2011-10-02 18:59
Obama, while probably guilty as charged by Cheney, should demand that Dick Cheney and his ventriloquist dummy "W." should apologize for setting the pattern of behavior that Obama has followed. Cheney is in no moral position to preach to Obama about Obama's errors, multitudinous as they have been.

Richard Bruce Cheney needs to crawl up Pennsylvania Avenue in sackcloth and ashes and beg the world's forgiveness for his many high crimes and misdemeanors. His conceited, snarling mug is an abomination to every liberty-loving American hoping there is still any truth and justice in the "American Way".
+23 # Bill Clements 2011-10-02 18:59
OMG, is this man serious? What do you call an illegal preemptive strike on a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11 or the "War on Terror?" What do you call 4,794 U.S. military personnel deaths, 2,745 International Occupation Force Troops deaths, and 1,455,590 Iraqi deaths? And yes, Dick, we actually DID walk away from our ideals when we began employing "enhanced interrogation techniques" like waterboarding.

And lets get something straight, Dick: you and your cadre are the ones who have done tremendous damage to the nation. We are not a safer nation today because of policies like water boarding. We're a nation degraded by such policies.
-11 # forparity 2011-10-03 00:59
Gore talked of doing it before 9/11.
+4 # Bill Clements 2011-10-03 07:39
Waterboarding? Please substantiate.
-3 # forparity 2011-10-03 19:07
No sending in ground troops and putting an end to the Saddam regime of horror.

Gore (while stating that it was against international law) pushed Clinton to authorize the US policy of Extraordinary Rendition, however. And that was long before 9/11. Certainly many of them being sent to Turkey or Egypt probably saw worse than waterboarding - ya think?
-4 # forparity 2011-10-03 12:43
1,455,590 Iraqi deaths?

Let's see - from start of the war (March 20th) to the end of the Bush term, would be 2100 days.

1,455,590 divided by 2100 days ='s 693 deaths per day - each and every day for 2100 days.

I suspect that in the early days, US forces may have wiped out an Iraqi military camp and got that many.

And I do remember a number of horrific suicide and truck bombings (and that awful day on the bridge) when al Qaeda terrorists - and/or some of the other nuts - targeted civilian targets and on a few occasions 150-250 civilians did die.

The old saying goes, "Blood leads," with the press. We do know that following the surge with the death toll rapidly decreasing over the months - the press pulled out of Iraq - was the other way when the violence was dramatically on the increase - the reports of violence lead in every news outlet.

I still don't remember seeing a single one that suggested that 693 had died in one day -- not to mention 2100 straight days.

Let me pose a Q to you. Which was worse - Clinton/Gore setting up the US program of extraordinary rendition in the mid-90's (and doing more before 9/11 than after) or waterboarding 3 known serious mass murderers/terrorists?

Not surprising that Bush upped it following 9/11 considering what we were willing to do prior.
-2 # forparity 2011-10-04 17:18
I know that darn simple math just gets to people.

Yes, I wish that Bush could have done this in some better manner. But hey, the world didn't care about the couple million who'd died at the hands of Saddam, and the untold hundreds of thousands who'd been tortured, etc.

There was no

In the absence of humanity in the world, someone is going to come along and decide enough is enough and just do it there way.

There is no high ground here.
+13 # jwb110 2011-10-02 19:06
Cheney is a nut case. This is like allowing some guy who thinks he's a sofa to have press coverage.
He's a footnote. Stop giving news space!
+13 # Bill Clements 2011-10-02 19:13
BTW, what a stellar daughter you've turned out there, Dick. You should be proud.
+15 # reiverpacific 2011-10-02 19:53
The sadly plain fact emerging from all this is that he-who-scowls-f rom-on-high is still being allowed, even gladly invited by the corporate media, to air his delusional bile with his hubris glands in full pumping order, to rub the populace's face in the fact that he is actually strutting around at liberty, although his travel options are becoming increasingly limited by more enlightened nations, along with the rest of his auo-da-fe cabal.
As log as the mainstream media gives he and his ilk a stage and sounding board, they will use it as a bully-pulpit to abuse and maintain power over the ignorant and deluded and anybody else who will give them even a modicum of credibility, which is still far too many for comfort and the rest of the world's peace of mind.
And you can throw Oliver North into that general pit of rats too, although he is certainly not a coward like the rest of 'em, just a warmonger and manipulator, keeping a lower profile these days.
We can't wait for history to be judge -we need to go after and make examples of these insults to all reason and humanity AND cowards right now!
And to think that Troy Davis was lynched for nothing!!
As Bob Dylan ended 'The lonesome Death of Poor Hattie Carol': -"Take the rag away from y'r face, for now is the time for y'r tears"!
+18 # Gootarama 2011-10-02 19:55
My brief hope is that Dick Cheney takes a vacation in Spain (or anywhere overseas) so they can arrest him for crimes against humanity and ship him to the Hague; and the International Criminal Court will try him like Miloseveck.
-3 # Glen 2011-10-03 06:27
Of course, Gootarama, Milosevic did not live long enough in prison to thoroughly testify. Neither did one of his associates. Those deaths were never investigated other than to say Milosevic had a "heart attack".

So - your comments are more astute than many would know.
+4 # Glen 2011-10-03 09:39
Guess the thumbs down didn't understand the sentiment of my comments. Cheney would probably not live long enough in prison to testify, knowing the hatred of the world for the man.
+10 # Rick Levy 2011-10-02 20:47
Dick Cheney should apologize for being born.
+12 # antineocon 2011-10-02 20:55
+17 # JanisL 2011-10-02 21:36
This sociopathic mass murderer and George W. are long overdue for prosecution for their well-known crimes. "dick" you are in no position to even be making public comments, and shame on the MSM for giving such a POS any coverage! So you needed your pathetic daughter to prop you up huh? That's sad. And no, we taxpayers don't want ANY of the millions wasted keeping your sorry self alive! Pay for your own pump with the millions you scammed via Halliburton. Why don't you plan a nice vacash in Europe??
+4 # KittatinyHawk 2011-10-02 22:03
Ignore this White Trash, he like the GOP/TP really should have an island for themselves where they can torture and do whatever they want to each other!

Watch out another Jersey nut job is going to announce he should roll on into the GOP Campaign. He like Perry should not be taken seriously. He has not finished a term but he has his idols who want to rid the State of him by shoving him on us. Good people in Jersey will tell you not to take him seriously. I certainly do not want him ruining our Country.

Thought of some investments while watching the wives of Perry and such come out from the holes...Peroxid e. There is just so much that your skin and brain should have to be impaled with. But with the amount of roots I see daily, Peroxide, and hair stripping agent is definitely not going out of business.
Ms Perry never campaigned for her husband running for Governor, now why is that?

RL I believe in spay and neutering program, would have alleviated much pain for the USA for decades.
+9 # pernsey 2011-10-02 22:10
YUCK!!! Just seeing this scumbags name (Cheney) makes me want to go take a shower. I cant believe hes asking for an apology?? But then again he got the guy he shot in the face to apologize so...YUCK!!!!
+12 # Paul Scott 2011-10-02 22:16
Dick Cheney's position, on national security, has changed about as much as his fortune from military contracts.

In 1989 after getting the DOD job from Bush 1.

"I had other priorities in the 60's than military service."

Only the ignorant could think this is an American hero?
+8 # pernsey 2011-10-02 22:18
Cheney makes my sking crawl!!! YUCK!!!!!
+10 # tonenotvolume 2011-10-02 22:24
Hey Dick, hold your breath for that apology. Oh, but that's impossible for a media sucking, egomaniacal big bag of wind. You only live for the attention it gets you.
+12 # purple haze 2011-10-02 22:25
No one owes this asshole an apology. He should be down on his knees begging God to forgive him for the thousands of lives he is responsible for taking. All those he let die so he could fatten his wallet. DICK CHANEY, YOU ARE A DISGUSTING, VULGAR, MURDEROUS PIG.
+2 # pernsey 2011-10-03 12:49
Quoting purple haze:
No one owes this asshole an apology. He should be down on his knees begging God to forgive him for the thousands of lives he is responsible for taking. All those he let die so he could fatten his wallet. DICK CHANEY, YOU ARE A DISGUSTING, VULGAR, MURDEROUS PIG.

I agree with you!!
+12 # maddave 2011-10-02 22:45
Cheney, Bush, Rumsfelt and the whole kit & kaboodle are lucky that Obama did not see fit to brand them as war criminals and prosecute them as such . . . for even BEING in Iraq. THAT is much more of an "apology" than any of them deserve, As for Cheney, himself, much smarter persons than I have recognizing the consumate evil that seem to surround the man.
+6 # 2011-10-02 23:49
I was really wondering what this word chutzpah means. Looks like Cheney has it defined and likes to play at it.Has he ever heard of hubris?
+1 # tm7devils 2011-10-03 00:33
where are the John Hinckley's when you need them...???
+4 # tm7devils 2011-10-03 00:56
I come upon the scene of a horrendous accident...
- Cheney is a victim in need of CPR...
- Nobody in the area knows CPR but me...
- I stand there thinking - I HAVE HIT THE LOTTERY!!! I watch the gleam of life fade from his eyes...
- I wake up, with a smile on my face, knowing...I can't be convicted for a dream.
+1 # GrittedTeeth 2011-10-03 05:03
He is a Dick, but Obama should apologize anyway (to the people, not to Bush or other Dicks) for his hypocrisy as Candidate Obama letting down everybody that supported him. I cannot decide which is worse - Bush and his egregious administration or Obama and his betrayal.
+5 # grannym 2011-10-03 07:43
That lying, cheating bastard Cheney is the one who should apologize to the American people for all his perfidies, beginning, with the way he lied George and himself into office and then held the reins as the lie was repeated four years later, having lied us into wars we should never have begun. tm7devils has it right - here's to a slow, agonizing and unaided end to the master of lies and deceits.
+8 # Jane Gilgun 2011-10-03 08:36
Some old people should retire. Cheney's had his time. He has been one of the most destructive politicians the world has ever seen. Just go away, Mr. Cheney.

Just when you think no one could say anything more ridiculous than what they've already said, we've got this man who refuses to shut up to top himself.
+4 # humanmancalvin 2011-10-03 09:05
Hubris...cajone s of steel...BrassBa lls...
Cheney is the epitome of these things.
-5 # forparity 2011-10-03 09:34
And now - Obama has his own internal "secret memo."

The Atlantic: in Secret - killing American Citizens

And the WH tested the message with reporters? And, no WaPost or NYTimes headlined stories appeared (thinking of NSA groundbreaking front page stories -- and no Richard Wilson came out opining about what may be going on?)

Protected by his media - to a great extent. But - it's been so bad, so foul, that bit by bit, breaks are appearing in the national media.

It's about time - two years and 3 months after Helen Thomas screeched about this White House:

"Nixon didn’t try to do that. They couldn’t control [the media]. They didn’t try that. What the hell do they think we are, puppets? They’re supposed to stay out of our business. They are our public servants. We pay them. ... I’m not saying there has never been managed news before, but this is carried to fare-thee-well- -for the town halls, for the press conferences. It’s blatant. They don’t give a damn if you know it or not. They ought to be hanging their heads in shame."

National media didn't report that, either.
+6 # claudesteiner 2011-10-03 10:46
I have to admit that this heartless man is clever in calling attention to himself. Equating Obamas venal sins to his and GW's horrendous misdeeds seems to make sense at first but only for a second.

How sad for him, his daughter and the rest of us....
+8 # angelfish 2011-10-03 11:02
I hope Cheney doesn't hold his hand on his A** waiting for an apology from President Obama, it's liable to take root and GROW there! What a Pompous Boor! He is an avowed murderer and terrorist and should be transported to the Hague along with the "shrub" (Thank You, Mollie Ivins!) to answer for their crimes against this Country and Humanity itself!
+4 # pernsey 2011-10-03 12:54
That guy he shot in the face apologized to who knows what this SOB can make happen? Its like looking Darth Vader in the eye, may the farce be with you! I hope Obama doesnt apologize!!
+4 # activdot 2011-10-03 14:03
Cheney wants an apology. Gee whiz. Guess Cheney's just jealous because Pres. Obama got Osama ben Laden and a mess of other al Qaeda terrorists.
Cheney is the one who should apologize for all the tragic mistakes he and his boss made--Iraq--ren dition--lots of lies--not enough regulation--did n't realize a deep recession was brewing. Oy vay!
+2 # Todd Williams 2011-10-03 14:37
Two words: Cuck Fhenney!
0 # Tremblechin 2011-10-05 14:31
If Dick "Head" Cheney is trying to get his semi-beautiful daughter into politics, he really ought to rethink his misguided strategy. Obama succeeded where Cheney failed -and Cheney thinks that HE deserves the credit. What a bozo!!

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