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Excerpt: "For the young people among you, a special word: You'll be facing problems that have never arisen in the 200,000 years of human history - hard, demanding problems. It's a burden that you can't ignore. And we'll all - you, in particular, and all the rest of us - will have to be in there struggling hard to save the human species from a pretty grim fate."

Noam Chomsky. (photo: Graeme Robertson)
Noam Chomsky. (photo: Graeme Robertson)


Noam Chomsky: With Trump Election, We Are Now Facing Threats to the Survival of the Human Species

By Democracy Now!

03 January 17

 

n December 5, over 2,300 people packed into the historic Riverside Church here in Manhattan to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Democracy Now! Speakers included Noam Chomsky, world-renowned political dissident, linguist, author, institute professor emeritus at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "We now face are the most severe that have ever arisen in human history. They are literal threats to survival: nuclear war, environmental catastrophe. These are very urgent concerns," Chomsky said. "They cannot be delayed. They became more urgent on November 8th, for the reasons you know and that I mentioned. They have to be faced directly, and soon, if the human experiment is not to prove to be a disastrous failure."


TRANSCRIPT

AMY GOODMAN: On December 5th, over 2,300 people packed into the historic Riverside Church here in Manhattan to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Democracy Now! Democracy Now! first went on the air on the eve of the 1996 New Hampshire primary. The date was February 19th, 1996. The show began as a radio show on nine radio stations. Today, over 5,000 episodes later, Democracy Now! news hour airs on over 1,400 public television and radio stations across the globe. Among those who spoke at the celebration of Democracy Now! was Noam Chomsky, the world-renowned political dissident, linguist and author. He’s professor emeritus at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and author of more than 100 books.

NOAM CHOMSKY: For the young people among you, a special word: You’ll be facing problems that have never arisen in the 200,000 years of human history—hard, demanding problems. It’s a burden that you can’t ignore. And we’ll all—you, in particular, and all the rest of us—will have to be in there struggling hard to save the human species from a pretty grim fate.

Well, my wife and I happened to be in Europe on November 8th, that fateful day, in fact, in Barcelona, where we watched the results come in. Now, that had special personal resonance for me. The first article I wrote, or at least that I can remember, was in February 1939 at the—it was about the fall of Barcelona to Franco’s fascist forces. And the article, which I’m sure it was not very memorable, was about the apparently inexorable spread of fascism over Europe and maybe the whole world. I’m old enough to have been able to listen to Hitler’s speeches, the Nuremberg rallies, not understanding the words, but the tone and the reaction of the crowd was enough to leave indelible memories. And watching those results come in did arouse some pretty unpleasant memories, along with what is happening in Europe now, which, in many ways, is pretty frightening, as well.

Well, the reaction to November 8th in Europe was disbelief, shock, horror. It was captured pretty eloquently in the—on the front cover of the major German weekly, Der Spiegel. It depicted a caricature of Donald Trump presented as a meteor hurtling towards Earth, mouth open, ready to swallow it up. And the top headline read "Das Ende Der Welt!" "The End of the World." Small letters below, "as we have known it." There might be some truth to that concern, even if not exactly in the manner in which the artist, the authors, the others who echoed that conception, had in mind.

It had to do with other events that were taking place right at the same time, November 8th, events that I think were a lot more important than the ones that have captured the attention of the world in such an astonishing fashion, events that were taking place in Morocco, Marrakech, Morocco. There was a conference there of 200 countries, the so-called COP 22. Their goal at this conference was to implement the rather vague promises and commitments of the preceding international conference on global warming, COP 21 in Paris in December 2015, which had in fact been left vague for reasons not unrelated to what happened on November 8th here.

The Paris conference had the goal of establishing verifiable commitments to do something about the worst problem that humans have ever faced—the likely destruction of the possibility for organized human life. They couldn’t do that. They could only reach a nonverifiable commitment—promises, but not fixed by treaty and a real commitment. And the reason was that the Republican Congress in the United States would not accept binding commitments. So they were left with something much weaker and looser.

The Morocco conference intended to carry this forward by putting teeth in that loose, vague agreement. The conference opened on November 7th, normal way. November 8th, the World Meteorological Organization presented an assessment of the current state of what’s called the Anthropocene, the new geological epoch that is marked by radical human modification, destruction of the environment that sustains life. November 9th, the conference basically ceased. The question that was left was whether it would be possible to carry forward this global effort to deal with the highly critical problem of environmental catastrophe, if the leader of the free world, the richest and most powerful country in history, would pull out completely, as appeared to be the case. That’s the stated goal of the president-elect, who regards climate change as a hoax and whose policy, if he pursues it, is to maximize the use of fossil fuels, end environmental regulations, dismantle the Environmental Protection Agency—established by Richard Nixon, which is a measure of where politics has shifted to the right in the past generation—and, in other ways, accelerate the race to destruction. Well, that was essentially the end of the Marrakech conference. It terminated without any issue. So that might signal the end of the world, even if not quite in the intended sense.

And, in fact, what happened in Marrakech was a quite astounding spectacle. The hope of the world for saving us from this impending disaster was China—authoritarian, harsh China. That’s where hopes were placed. At the same time, the leader of the free world, the richest, most powerful country in history, was acting in such a way as to doom the hopes to total disaster. It’s an astonishing spectacle. And it’s no less astounding that it received almost no comment. You can—something to think about.

Well, the effects are quite real. COP 21, the Paris negotiations, could not reach a verifiable treaty because of the refusal of the Republican Congress to accept binding commitments. The follow-up conference, COP 22, ended without any issue. We will soon see, in the not very distant future, even more dangerous, horrifying consequences of this failure right here to come to term to address in a serious way this impending crisis.

So, say, take the country of Bangladesh. Within a few years, tens of millions of people will be fleeing from the low-lying coastal plains simply because of the rise of sea level with the melting of the huge Antarctic glaciers much more quickly than was anticipated and the severe weather associated with global warming. That’s a refugee crisis of a kind that puts today’s crisis, which is more a moral crisis of the West than an actual refugee crisis—it will put this current crisis into a—it will seem like a footnote to a tragedy. And it’s—the leading climate scientist in Bangladesh has reacted by saying that these migrants should have the right to move to the countries from which all these greenhouse gases are coming. Millions should be able to go to the United States and—United States and, indeed, the other rich countries that have grown wealthy, as we all have, while bringing this new geological epoch—bringing about this new geological epoch, which may well be the final one for the species.

And the catastrophic consequences can only increase. Just keeping to South Asia, temperatures which are already intolerable for the poor are going to continue to rise as the Himalayan glaciers melt, also destroying the water supply for South Asia. In India already, 300 million people are reported to lack water to drink. And it will continue both for India and Pakistan. And at this point, the two major threats to survival begin to converge. One is environmental catastrophe. The other is nuclear war, another threat that is increasing right before our eyes. India and Pakistan are nuclear states, nuclear—states with nuclear weapons. They were already almost at war. Any kind of real war would immediately turn into a nuclear war. That might happen very easily over water—over struggles over diminishing water supplies. A nuclear war would not only devastate the region, but might actually be terminal for the species, if indeed it leads to nuclear winter and global famine, as many scientists predict. So, the threats of survival—to survival converge right there, and we’re going to see much more like it. Meanwhile, the United States is leading the way to disaster, while the world looks to China for leadership. It’s an incredible, astounding picture, and indeed only one piece of a much larger picture.

The U.S. isolation at Marrakech is symptomatic of broader developments that we should think about pretty carefully. They’re of considerable significance. U.S. isolation in the world is increasing in remarkable ways. Maybe the most striking is right in this hemisphere, what used to be called "our little region over here"—Henry Stimson, secretary of war under Roosevelt, "our little region over here," where nobody bothers us. If anybody gets out of line, we punish them harshly; otherwise, they do what we say. That’s very far from true. During this century, Latin America, for the first time in 500 years, has freed itself from Western imperialism. Last century, that’s the United States. The International Monetary Fund, which is basically an agency of the U.S. Treasury, has been kicked out of the—of South America entirely. There are no U.S. military bases left. The international organizations, the—the hemispheric organizations are beginning to exclude the United States and Canada. In 2015, there was a summit coming up, and the United States might have been excluded completely from the hemisphere over the issue of Cuba. That was the crucial issue that the hemisphere—on which the hemisphere opposed U.S. policy, as does the world. That’s surely the reason why Obama made the gestures towards normalization, that were at least some step forward—and could be reversed under Trump. We don’t know.

On a much more far-reaching scale, something similar is happening in Asia. As you know, one of Obama’s major policies was the so-called pivot to Asia, which was actually a measure to confront China, transparently. One component of the pivot to Asia was the TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which excluded China, tried to bring in other Asia-Pacific countries. Well, that seems to be on its way to collapse, for pretty good reasons, I think. But at the same time, there’s another international trade agreement that is expanding and growing, namely, China’s—what they call the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, which is now drawing in U.S. allies, from Peru to Australia to Japan. The U.S. will probably choose to stay out of it, just as the United States, virtually alone, has stayed away from China’s Asian Infrastructure Development Bank, a kind of counterpart to the World Bank, that the U.S. has opposed for many years, but has now been joined by practically all U.S. allies, Britain and others. That’s—at the same time, China is expanding to the West with the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the China-based Silk Roads. The whole system is an integrated system of energy resource sharing and so on. It includes Siberia, with its rich resources. It includes India and Pakistan. Iran will soon join, it appears, and probably Turkey. This will extend all the way from China to Europe. The United States has asked for observer status, and it’s been rejected, not permitted. And one of the major commitments of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the whole of the Central Asian states, is that there can be no U.S. military bases in this entire region.

Another step toward isolation may soon take place if the president-elect carries through his promise to terminate the nuclear weapons—the nuclear deal with Iran. Other countries who are parties to the deal might well continue. They might even—Europe, mainly. That means ignoring U.S. sanctions. That will extend U.S. isolation, even from Europe. And in fact Europe might move, under these circumstances, towards backing off from the confrontation with Russia. Actually, Brexit may assist with this, because Britain was the voice of the United States in NATO, the harshest voice. Now it’s out, gives Europe some opportunities. There were choices in 1990, ’91, time of the collapse of the Soviet Union. Mikhail Gorbachev had a—what he called a vision of a common European home, an integrated, cooperative system of security, commerce, interchange, no military alliances from the Atlantic to the Pacific. The U.S. insisted on a different vision—namely, Soviet Union collapses, and NATO remains and, indeed, expands, right up to the borders of Russia now, where very serious threats are evident daily.

Well, all of this, these are significant developments. They’re related to the widely discussed matter of decline of American power. There are some conventional measures which, however, are misleading in quite interesting ways. I’ll just say a word about it, because there’s no time, but it’s something to seriously think about. By conventional measures, in 1945, the United States had reached the peak of global dominance—nothing like it in history. It had perhaps 50 percent of total world’s wealth. Other industrial countries were devastated or destroyed by the war, severely damaged. The U.S. economy had gained enormously from the war, and it was in—and the U.S., in general, had a position of dominance with no historical parallel. Well, that, of course, couldn’t last. Other industrial countries reconstructed. By around 1970, the world was described as tripolar: three major economic centers—a German-based Europe, a U.S.-based North America and the Northeast Asian area, at that time Japan-based, now China had moved in as a partner, conflict then partner. By now—by that time, U.S. share in global wealth was about 25 percent. And today it’s not far below that.

Well, all of this is highly misleading, because it fails to take into account a crucial factor, which is almost never discussed, though there’s some interesting work on it. That’s the question of ownership of the world economy. If you take a look at the corporate—the multinational corporations around the world, what do they own? Well, that turns out to be a pretty interesting matter. In virtually every—this increasingly during the period of neoliberal globalization of the last generation, corporate wealth is becoming a more realistic measure of global power than national wealth. Corporate wealth, of course, is nationally based, supported by taxpayers like us, but the ownership has nothing to do with us. Corporate ownership, if you look at that, it turns out that in virtually every economic sector—manufacturing, finance, services, retail and others—U.S. corporations are well in the lead in ownership of the global economy. And overall, their ownership is close to 50 percent of the total. That’s roughly the proportion of U.S. national wealth in 1945, which tells you something about the nature of the world in which we live. Of course, that’s not for the benefit of American citizens, but of those who own and manage these private—publicly supported and private, quasi-totalitarian systems. If you look at the military dimension, of course, the U.S. is supreme. Nobody is even close. No point talking about it. But it is possible that Europe might take a more independent role. It might move towards something like Gorbachev’s vision. That might lead to a relaxation of the rising and very dangerous tensions at the Russian border, which would be a very welcome development.

Well, there’s a lot more to say about the fears and hopes and prospects. The threats and dangers are very real. There are plenty of opportunities. And as we face them, again, particularly the younger people among you, we should never overlook the fact that the threats that we now face are the most severe that have ever arisen in human history. They are literal threats to survival: nuclear war, environmental catastrophe. These are very urgent concerns. They cannot be delayed. They became more urgent on November 8th, for the reasons you know and that I mentioned. They have to be faced directly, and soon, if the human experiment is not to prove to be a disastrous failure.

AMY GOODMAN: MIT professor Noam Chomsky, speaking on December 5th at Riverside Church as part of the celebration marking 20 years of Democracy Now! After a short break, we air a historic conversation that Juan González and I had with Noam Chomsky and Harry Belafonte. This is Democracy Now! Back in a minute.

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AMY GOODMAN: That’s Patti Smith singing at Democracy Now!'s 20th anniversary here at Riverside Church in Manhattan. This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, The War and Peace Report. I'm Amy Goodman.


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+20 # mashiguo 2017-01-03 09:45
We have been facing the threat of collapse of the chains of production and distribution since the era of Reagan, it's just that almost nobody noticed at the time.

The next question that arises is what will be the outcome of that collapse? it is probably unlikely that the human species will become extinct, but civilization will collapse and there will be a bottleneck in the human population.

What wisdom would we want the survivors to carry forward?
There are lessons to be learned that a possible second, future human experiment could profit from, but not if we can't learn it ourselves to leave to posterity.
 
 
+6 # Anonymot 2017-01-03 10:09
Oops. Reagan started in '81. In 1968 the Club Of Rome published their very widely read Limits To Growth that accurately foresaw all of this. And there was great hue and cry internationally . And all of our politicians sat on their asses and let it happen.

Now, the latest version of our so-called democracy put up 2 God-Help-Us Candidates. One won and he's what our future is. One lost and she was worse yet.

What tires me out is that a vast number of the losers are demonstrating their political immaturity by sitting there whining when it was their very own fault. I spent 1 1/2 years repeating the word unelectable, before Bernie and after. Hillary Clinton belonged to some imaginary world, maybe the 1920s. Our electoral system is our system, but the Democrats thought they had it in the bag. Putin didn't do it, nor Comey, nor anyone but the CIA and their candidate.

Now they remain in a total state of disarray, because they have no backup plan except to scream and holler and repeat the same phrases that lost them the election.
 
 
+17 # mashiguo 2017-01-03 10:17
True, futurists have been predicting problems for a long time.

However, Reagan was the first that I know of to actually reverse something that had been done to positively impact the future: he removed the solar panels from the white house.

...and that doesn't even touch on a bunch of ancillary issues related to unleashing the corporate beast.

As far as that goes, it shouldn't have taken more than a few seconds reflection in the 70's (when the first manufactured fuel crisis hit) to realize that we had a finite resource and needed to find other solutions.

etc.
it's been a long time coming, and we have earned our destruction.
let's not waste the opportunity to learn from it.
 
 
0 # MidwestTom 2017-01-03 12:23
The world is over populated, and allowing mass immigration only accelerates the problem.

In a 400 level economics class I had a Professor who one day asked what was the greatest challenge we would face in our lifetime. After many wrong answers from the class he finally said that "we must come up with a way to limit the reproduction of the masses, or civilization will be lost".

When I see the hordes of uneducated and unskilled migrants invading Europe, or the 10s of thousands of Central American kids arriving at our southern border, his words ring truer every day.
 
 
+4 # Anonymot 2017-01-03 13:17
The whole matter of overpopulation was attacked by not much of anyone except China. When I lived in Africa before it became a tourist trap one of the most evident dangers was that the population increase was based on Stone Age children mortality rates and child needs, but modern medicine and what we felt was the moral things to do were incompatible with reality.

What's happened is that that reality is just beginning to bite us in the rear end and it's like a pit bull. Many people - and many here - cannot reconcile what's happening with the American morality code that says everyone in the world should be like us.
 
 
+12 # goodsensecynic 2017-01-03 13:34
Quoting MidwestTom:
the hordes of uneducated and unskilled migrants invading Europe, or the 10s of thousands of Central American kids


Overpopulation is the master variable from one rather strict "population bomb" perspective. Even if we adopt a "soft Malthusian" viewpoint, however, it is still close to the "master variable."

So, ignoring the not-so-subtle racism implicit in your comment about "those" people, I wonder what solution you have to offer.

Your kindly 400-level professor spoke about the "reproduction of the masses" and also apparently had no suggestions.

Here is one: massive strikes by weapons of mass destruction on poor people everywhere.

Here is another: tightly controlled food distribution to maintain the "non-masses" while starving the rest to death,

How about a third? Clinically deployed epidemics to be kept exclusively to Asia, Africa and South America.

OK, so far?

Or maybe another strategy. If people are educated and prosperous, they "naturally" have fewer children (middle-class kids are expensive!). So, if current patterns of predatory imperialism were to be dissolved and, for example, current global expenditures on arms and armies were to be cut by 50%, the problems of world poverty and consequent overpopulation would largely dissolve.

With a reproductive limit of one child per family, the human population could be reduced to sustainable levels within a century.

How about that?

Yeah, I guess not.
 
 
-4 # MidwestTom 2017-01-03 14:56
I am not so sure that the "Clinically deployed epidemic" hasn't already been tried----do research on where Aids came from.

The classic example of contrasting reproduction rates is the island of Hispaniola with crammed desperately poor Haiti on one half and prosperous Dominican Republic on the other, with a border patrolled by machine guns in between.

When many middle eastern countries have average population ages of 19 to 23, you can see where the problems will be.
 
 
-1 # Caliban 2017-01-03 15:01
Good suggestion. The Chinese have experience in organized population and would be pretty good coaches.

Of course it may take waves washing across Times Square or a Pope Boat parked in front of St. Peter's to persuade the West to get with the program.
 
 
+15 # mashiguo 2017-01-03 13:55
"When I see the hordes of uneducated and unskilled migrant...."

au contraire
if you don't want them to invade, get your government to stop bombing them.

other than that, reproduction among the masses is not the problem. put a 100% inheritance tax on the wealthy and there will be more than enough to go around.
...and no more W's either!
 
 
+12 # dickbd 2017-01-03 16:41
It's still a problem. We are crowding out all the other species, and we have decimated the ocean with pollution and overfishing.

Birth control is the solution . . . if it's not too late. The US should be leading the pack in supplying the information and methods. But no, corporate interests and religious groups keep that from happening.
 
 
+6 # mashiguo 2017-01-03 20:08
everyone who gets an abortion deserves a congressional medal of honor.

what needs to be done won't be done.
that is, unless we actually learn something.
 
 
+6 # economagic 2017-01-03 16:41
(quoting MidwestTom, # MidwestTom 2017-01-03 12:23)

NOW I understand your problem: You studied WAY too much neoclassical economics and you drank the Kool-Aid before your critical faculties kicked in.

I recommend "Economics Unmasked," by Philip Smith and Manfred Max-Neef, for a comprehensive debunking of that entire paradigm in historical perspective. For a point by point technical refutation of individual tenets of that religion, Steve Keen's "Debunking Economics" (2001) can hardly be beat. I believe my friend Ron Baiman (Jr.) in Chicago has a similar book in the works.

And yes, I am a card-carrying economist.
 
 
+4 # lfeuille 2017-01-03 18:28
I think you give him too much credit. I don't think Toms attitude is based on economic theory. just racism looking for a justification.
 
 
+9 # Kootenay Coyote 2017-01-03 11:39
'In 1968 the Club Of Rome published their very widely read Limits To Growth that accurately foresaw all of this.'

Yes. Club of Rome's predictions have proven to be remarkably accurate; the more so, given the 'primitive' algorithms they used. & none whatsoever of the objections that were swept over us all after the report came out held any substance at all: the were outright, unsubstantiated denial. Now the chickens have come home to roost: & they're all vultures.
 
 
+4 # Anonymot 2017-01-03 13:18
And the bulk of the flock are yet to come into view.
 
 
+10 # ltsnh1941@gmail.com 2017-01-03 14:27
You are so right. I have said this many times to my friends. Hillary was unelectable. I based this not only on my own feelings (I don't like to see dynasties in American politics), but also because many normal folks that I talked to would not vote for her in a million years, even though they didn't like Trump and were reticent to vote for him. I really believe that Bernie could have over come the so-called taint of "socialism" and have taken Trump in the election.
 
 
+2 # economagic 2017-01-03 16:45
"In 1968 the Club Of Rome published their very widely read Limits To Growth that accurately foresaw all of this."

I'm pretty sure it was published in 1972. I heard of it and read it in that year, and every date I have ever seen places it there. Not a critical point, certainly not relevant to your argument, but worth noting.
 
 
+2 # Anonymot 2017-01-04 08:39
You are correct. I read it then and have watched it unfold in real life ever since.
 
 
-4 # Robbee 2017-01-03 19:33
Quoting mashiguo:
We have been facing the threat of collapse of (yadda, yadda) since the era of Reagan, it's just that almost nobody noticed at the time.

The next question that arises is what will be the outcome of that collapse?

- far more likely our corruptor-in-ch ief and his duck dynasty will rule the world
 
 
+3 # mashiguo 2017-01-03 20:10
there won't be a world to rule when the supply chain breaks down. you might rule your valley, but not much more.
 
 
-13 # jdd 2017-01-03 11:05
So sorry Noam that your Hillary did not win and thus we will not get the Syrian no-fly zone and war with Russia. Your prediction about human survival will just have to wait. Meanwhile, you and all of your persuasion are becoming more irrelevant by the moment as the new paradigm for humanity is rising in the East with the BRICS led Belt and Road policy, now involving 100 countries and 4.4 bullion people. Those of us who live in the real world are organizing for the US to join the New Silk Road in partnership with Russia and China.
 
 
+10 # HahliHohli 2017-01-03 14:58
Thank you for including us/USA in the new paradigm. This may be a hard pill for some to swallow, but we all must learn to play well with one another in the Global Sandbox.

Cooperation is the new competition. If we could just get over this "it's him or me" mindset, so many wonderful things would continue to be accomplished, even as they are now from those who have made the concerted effort to live in a peaceful world.

Thank you, jdd, for being one of the enlightened. May all success be yours in 2017. It will save us all.
 
 
+17 # Icon 2017-01-03 11:10
The way I see the whole mess is, that the USA is the major villain in the World today because it seeks World domination through the agenda of the Neocon PNAC & we all know who is behind these monsters!! Until the American public wakes up to this take over of America by these insane religious despots & removes them, the World will truly be doomed!!
 
 
+3 # Kootenay Coyote 2017-01-03 11:41
'...the USa... seeks World domination through the agenda of the Neocon PNAC...' & with the brute-force tool of NATO to forge its way.
 
 
+6 # jdd 2017-01-03 13:39
It's over. Obama has been defeated. Trump wants peace with Russia and China. He must be not be thwarted by the neocons - liberal interventionist alliance that backed Clinton.
 
 
+2 # librarian1984 2017-01-04 08:09
While we have a good idea of the neoliberal provocations of Russia, less publicized are similar actions being taken against China. We have conducted war exercises on their borders, placed ships in the South China Sea and made agreements with nations on China's borders.

Trump also has made provocative statements about China, and that has grave implications for our complex trade relationship. I'm not sure Trump DOES like China.

At the same time, Russia and China are improving their relationship and Trump, who seems to like Russia, may not be accounting for Russia's alliances with Iran and Turkey.

What a mess!
 
 
+5 # Citizen Mike 2017-01-03 11:12
This is the end of this cycle of human civilization, the rise and fall approaching completion. The super-rich are sucking the last nickels out of the planet, finding ways to pile up maximum short-term profits out of the approaching disaster. They have built underground cities stocked with a few hundred years worth of supplies to which they will retreat to wait out the coming climate change catastrophe. While the rest of us are left to die. I believe this has happened before, Homo Sap has been on this planet in present form for 200,00 years, plenty of time for civilization to rise, fall and rise again two or three times. Each period ending in catastrophic climate change we bring on ourselves when technology reaches our present level.
 
 
+10 # jdd 2017-01-03 12:33
That is so kooky.Mankind was close to going the eay of the dinosaur, not because of global warming, but nuclear war - the prospect of which was the main foreign policy [plank of Hillary Clinton. Civilizations have died because of their failure to overthrow the oligarchical systems plaguing mankind which, as Zeus punished Prometheus, have tried to keep science and knowledge the province of the few. We are now at the point were war should no longer be thought of as an alternative and a new relationship between nations, expressed by China as "win-win" is finally a possibility. Provided we break the grip of the Anglo-American financial oligarchy over the governments of the Trans-Atlantic. It begins with Glasss-Steagall .
 
 
+3 # anarchaos 2017-01-03 15:41
Citizen Mike, I agree - with one exception - the latest scientific discoveries are that Homo Neanderthals, Homo Sapiens Sapiens and later types of modern humans can be traced back 500,000+ years to a common ancestor. Also, we DO live in the Anthropocene era.
 
 
+4 # HahliHohli 2017-01-03 11:25
Or this could be the greatest time in all of recorded history for humanity to finally rise to heights undreamed of. The past is just that, the past! It is Past! Let it go!

At this time, we are being enabled to create a world much greater and more magnificent because awareness, sacred consciousness is rising throughout this planet and there will be no limit as to what will become a more humane, compassionate, loving, just and wonderful future for mankind. In fact, it is well on its way even as I type these letters.

DO NOT BE SWAYED BY DOOMSDAY WORDS AND NEGATIVE SPEECHES!

We are made of much finer stuff and our future is brighter than ever. All we need do is rise to the occasion and do what we are being urged to do.

This planet and ALL its populations need our loving attention and as we heed the irresistible call of destiny we will all be saved and rewarded a zillion fold
and the task will be accomplished in Divine timing.

Do not put your attention to things you have no control over; shine your light in your own sector and it will produce benefits elsewhere. (butterfly effect)

Stand up, put down the crying towel and take on the Power of your Divine Spirit to become the change you wish to see in this world.

It all starts with YOU! So get busy! LOVE LOVE and love some more! And see how your life will change!

We are all Divine Beings having a 3D experience that we ourselves create. Time to create something better. Think big! And go for it!
 
 
-9 # rseale@gbsinc.com 2017-01-03 11:25
give me a break, what a bunch of hogwash.
You are probably part of the group that has been saying for 50 years to buy gold because the economy was going to collapse.
 
 
-3 # goodsensecynic 2017-01-03 14:04
No breaks available.

Divine beings with 3-D perception are on the move!

Break out the Birkenstocks and the incense, we can hold hands and transcend the crappy corporate stranglehold on the political economy of despair and degradation.

Just think big thoughts and the Koch Brothers, right-wing shock jocks and Wall Street financial interests will all see the light!

On the other hand, the economy IS going to collapse and the environment IS going to continue to degrade ... but that's another story.

At least all these New-Agey dim-wits will be put permanently in their place.
 
 
+2 # HahliHohli 2017-01-03 15:24
Quoting goodsensecynic:
At least all these New-Agey dim-wits will be put permanently in their place.


New-Agey dim-wits... ha,ha. Check out the latest in Quantum Physics.
 
 
+5 # DongiC 2017-01-03 13:51
First things first: global warming must be checked. If the US will not lead, then it will have to be China who already has taken the leadership in solar, wind, and high speed trains. Incidentally, China is shifting away from coal by closing some brand new mines. Many NATO countries are working hard at developing wind and solar energies. Latin American countries too. Costa Rica gets 98% of its energies from renewables.

Meetings at Paris and Marrakech are raising the sensitivities of some 170 nations re the use of wind and water. In the United States we have many states really getting into renewables: CA, NY, Iowa, CO, AZ, TX, NM and states along the Atlantic like MA, DEL, MD, RI, CN are preparing to put wind farms in the ocean near shore where breezes blow quite consistently. So there may be a lot of homegrown pressure on Trump to change his views on the environment.

Secondly, we need a better way to bring about peace and to control terrorist organizations like ISIS. Maybe, a souped up Security Council, maybe the General Assembly is in charge of all nuclear weapons on planet Earth, maybe we put the UN in charge of all refugees, maybe it helps nations to limit their populations.

This time in which we are living may harbor the greatest opportunities we have ever seen in the planet's history, Let's make the most of them.
 
 
+8 # janie1893 2017-01-03 15:57
There is nothing divine about human beings! We are animals just as all other sentient beings are animals. The younger generation cannot fathom the horror of nuclear war and those of us who remember the Enola Gay are quickly dying off. We cannot treat the earth the way we do and expect it to continue nurturing us in the same way that it has for so many thousand years.
We westerners are the richest and most pampered group of humans ever. We must give up our greed and most of our wealth to assist the rest of the planet 's population in raising it's total standard of welfare.

Nature will not abide children starving to death on one half of this orb while on the other side, children become obese before their second birthday.

If we do not quickly learn to share everything for the common good, we truly are doomed.

And no one cares now or will in future, except us!!! Ironic and laughable!
 
 
-2 # Depressionborn 2017-01-04 04:55
the West will soon disinigrate due to low birth rates. do the math.
 
 
0 # Vardoz 2017-01-06 17:58
Yes we are
 
 
0 # willsud24 2017-01-06 18:46
It's the left's fault because too many on the left are just a watered-down version of what's on the right. Call it neoliberalism, centrism or corporatism, the Democratic Party is completely impotent when it comes to standing up for working people, debtors and the poor.

Most on the left still believe in capitalism and authoritarian institutions. I don't how many Obama lovers I've had to argue with on this site, but it gets annoying. The left wants capitalism-ligh t; a highly taxed and regulated capitalist economy.

What the left ignores, is what working and renting oneself out by the hour does to the individual and society as a whole. The left has no vision for a workers-state, where workers can control their day and their lives. The left still embraces authoritarian structures, they just want them taxed and regulated.

Even if you bring up wages and benefits, workers still must rent themselves out to a master. Unacceptable. The left needs a unified egalitarian vision for the future. Maybe this means going to a resource based economy or a worker-owned economy, but continuing in a capitalist economy will definitely drive us to extinction, no matter how many "green technologies" we invest in.
 
 
0 # willsud24 2017-01-06 18:53
Another flawed feature of the left that even shows up in the very progressive parts of the left is the focus on expansion and growth. Even Bernie Sanders supporters and many socialists think that we can have infinite economic growth on a finite planet with finite natural resources.

Can someone please tell me what a "green job" is? From my experience, there's nothing "green" about any job. Going to work all day to produce a product to be consumed and disposed of is not green, even if the product doesn't require any fossil fuels (which they all do). What's "green" about driving to work or all the stuff you buy with your paycheck?

I'm not saying we should all lay around and starve to death, but there were periods of history before civilization when people had all the food, clothing and necessities they needed and they only worked about 12 hours a week! The rest of their time was spent on arts, hobbies, dancing, drinking and having sex. Sounds better than capitalism!

The left needs to stop with this silly idea that we can keep capitalism and make it "green". The whole premise of capitalism is more, more, more, bigger, faster, cheaper, more, more! It's absurd to think that any economy or society based on this premise wouldn't eventually lead to collapse and extinction.

Over-population is another issue. Couples need to start having only 1-2 kids or none at all, but a drop-off in the birth rate doesn't work well for a capitalist economy either....
 

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