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Excerpt: "Hillary Clinton has a pattern of throwing the Black community under the bus when it serves her politically. She called our boys 'super-predators' in '96, then she race-baited when running against Obama in '08, now she's a lifelong civil rights activist. I just want to know which Hillary is running for President, the one from '96, '08, or the new Hillary?"

Black Lives Matter activist Ashley Williams interrupts Hillary Clinton at South Carolina fundraiser. (photo: YouTube)
Black Lives Matter activist Ashley Williams interrupts Hillary Clinton at South Carolina fundraiser. (photo: YouTube)


#BLM Activist Confronts Clinton on 1990's Racial Remarks (Video)

By Reader Supported News

25 February 16

 

Black Lives Matter youth activist Ashley Williams confronts Hillary Clinton at private fundraiser with a "tough on crime" statement she made in 1996 in support of Bill Clinton's second-term campaign. At the event Williams said: "We want you to apologize for mass incarceration. I'm not a super-predator."

Hillary Clinton spoke to a Keene State University audience in New Hampshire on January 25, 1996 about the seven principles of President Clinton's second-term campaign. She brought up his record of criminal justice and drug policy, the pushing of his "Crime Bill" or namely the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which not only put 100,000 additional police on the streets but enforced harsher sentencing at the federal level, effectively contributing to the mass incarceration issue that exists in the U.S. today. She said: "The fourth challenge is to take back our streets from crime, gangs and drugs." She goes on to talk about coordinated efforts in taking on "not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called 'superpredators. No conscience, no empathy."

Watch Hillary Clinton’s full statement here.

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+26 # nice2bgreat 2016-02-25 12:30
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August 11, 2015

Hillary Clinton: 'I Will Talk Only to White People ...'

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/32028-focus-hillary-clinton-i-will-talk-only-to-white-people-

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/full-video-clinton-meets-black-lives-matter-509555267594
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Hillary's handlers interrupting, just before Hillary's response to Mr. Jones' first question, is telling.

Hillary's handlers 2nd interruption was immediately after Ms. Clinton's (stump-ish speech/ filibuster /lecture/dismis sive) 1st -- and what was supposed to be only -- response.


Hillary's handler -- 2nd interruption: "Madam Secretary, we really need to go."


Julius Jones, BLM: "The piece that’s most important, and I stand here [humbly] in your space, to say this as respectfully as I can,

If you don’t tell black people what we need to do, then we won’t tell you-all what you need to do…"


HC: "Well I’m not telling you, I’m just telling you to tell me."


JJ, BLM: "What I mean to say is; this is and has always been a white problem of violence, and it’s not, … there’s not much we can do to stop the violence against us."


Hillary Clinton -- “Yeah, well, respectfully, if that is your position, then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with a very real problem.”
...

Hillary's declaration was not just nor only sarcasm, and even if innocuous, the intention was still there, to completely dismiss the BLM, there and then. Done...
 
 
-7 # Caliban 2016-02-26 00:41
Not sarcasm? Maybe not. Let's call it irony, then. Clinton was clearly encouraging the BLM speaker to help her (Clinton) and others understand the BLM position more fully. When this invitation is dismissed, it seems to me that she is responding the BLM negative remark with her own--and justifiably so.
 
 
+3 # nice2bgreat 2016-02-26 01:38
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We had this conversation before, Caliban.

Definition of sarcasm: the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.

... irony to mock or convey contempt.

Déjà vu?

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/32129-hillary-clinton-has-run-out-of-fcks-to-give

Quoting nice2bgreat:
Quoting nice2bgreat:
Hillary's declaration was not sarcasm, and even if innocuous, the intention was still there, to completely dismiss the BLM, there and then. Done...

Quoting Caliban: 2015-09-01 00:46:
HRC was being pushed and she pushed back--respectfully but effectively. And, to me, at least, her "I will only talk to white people" etc. most definitely was sarcasm.

I agree; it was sarcasm: the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.

Synonyms for sarcasm: derision, mockery, ridicule, scorn, sneering, scoffing; irony; cynicism.

I should have written, Hillary's declaration was not [just nor only] sarcasm, and even if innocuous, the intention was still there, to completely dismiss the BLM, there and then. Done...

So Caliban, respond to that.

Hillary's declaration was intended to completely dismiss the BLM, there and then. Done...
.
 
 
+6 # nice2bgreat 2016-02-25 12:34
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Nothing to see here...

Back to the issues.
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-13 # Juliajayne1 2016-02-25 15:15
Hillary Clinton on ‘superpredator’ remarks: ‘I shouldn’t have used those words’

By Jonathan Capehart

"Pushing Clinton on her past statements as Williams did is eminently fair. What isn’t fair is ignoring what Clinton promises to do to fix the glaring problems unleashed by a bill Sanders voted for and Clinton’s husband signed into law."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/02/25/hillary-clinton-responds-to-activist-who-demanded-apology-for-superpredator-remarks/?postshare=5291456433459267&tid=ss_tw

Donna Brazile ‏@donnabrazile 18m18 minutes ago
I admire people who can ask for forgiveness. Clinton on 'superpredator' remarks: 'I shouldn't have used those words' http://wpo.st/bzdF1
 
 
-15 # Juliajayne1 2016-02-25 15:18
From the same article:

Also noteworthy is Clinton saying then, “We can talk about why they ended up that way.” I highlight that because Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Clinton’s presidential campaign rival and then a member of the House, gave an impassioned floor speech in 1994 raising questions about cause and effect.

(Bernie Sanders speaking below)

"Mr. Speaker, it is my firm belief that clearly, there are some people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them. But it is also my view that through the neglect of our Government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence."
_________________________________________

The 1994 crime bill, the statute that many African Americans single out as the cause of mass incarceration of blacks over the past 20 years and that many in the criminal justice field view as a mistake, passed the House with 235 votes. Sanders joined 188 Democrats and 46 Republicans in voting “aye.”
__________________________________

Sorry to burst the Bernie bubble, but he essentially was saying the same thing as Hillary in that floor speech. And before thumbing this down, why not read the article? Oh well, just a thought. ;-)
 
 
+29 # Billy Bob 2016-02-25 15:39
The problem was never with the word. It was with the covert racist dog-whistle it blew. Everyone who was paying attention at the time, CLEARLY knew what the intention was. She was speaking to white southerners.

This is ABSOLUTELY - NO different than Bill Clinton's "Sister Souljah moment".

Dog-whistle thinly-veiled racism is even MORE offensive when it comes from a Democratic politician than when it comes from a Republican. The Republican doesn't expect black votes. The racist Democrat STILL relies on them, but relies on blacks keeping their mouths shut and not protesting.

Killary's attempts to re-brand her history of convenient racism and situational "ethics", are very disingenuous and transparent.

https://newrepublic.com/article/129433/clintons-war-drugs-black-lives-didnt-matter
 
 
+25 # Billy Bob 2016-02-25 15:46
While we're at it, why are we even needing to go all the way back to the '90s? Clinton revealed herself to be a nasty racist during the 2008 presidential primaries:

http://www.politico.com/story/2008/01/racial-tensions-roil-democratic-race-007845

http://theweek.com/articles/567774/hillary-clinton-needs-address-racist-undertones-2008-campaign

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-dunn/hillarys-hypocrisy-clinging-to-obama-after-her-racist-dog-whistles-in-2008_b_9011244.html

I was a pretty strong supporter of Hillary UNTIL I witnessed her true "colors" during the 2008 primaries, after she had to compete a little with a black guy whom she thought was "just another Jessie Jackson".

Killary IS very well prepared to run for political office -

IN ARKANSAS!

Good ol' southern racism and a harkening back to the "Dixie-crats" of the Jim Crowe era were always a part of the Clinton "winning formula" in the deep south, even if the new strategy was to be more subtle.

This was ALWAYS what was really meant by all that "NEW DEMOCRAT" garbage they were selling in the early '90s. We all KNEW they were "sort of liberal", but totally willing to throw blacks under the bus to reach white conservatives - as evidenced by "Welfare Reform" and "The era of 'big government' is over".

THIS is why we're constantly being lectured that Corporate sHillary is "more palatable " to conservatives in denial, than Sanders, and THIS is why we NEED get OUR party back!
 
 
+11 # Nominae 2016-02-25 18:16
Quoting Billy Bob:
Clinton revealed herself to be a nasty racist during the 2008 presidential primaries....

THIS is why we NEED get OUR party back!


Hot *DAMN*, Billy Bob,

With these two posts above, you are absolutely *crushing* IT !

YES !

Impeccably analyzed, well researched, and backed up with the pertinent references.

KUDOS to the tenth power. Not an iota less !

THIS is *precisely* the caliber of contribution that makes RSN the superior site that it *usually* IS.
 
 
+7 # Billy Bob 2016-02-25 21:06
Thank you, Nominae. That means a lot to me. You know, I always really appreciate your comments as well.
 
 
+6 # Billy Bob 2016-02-26 00:58
Weird. As of right now, I still managed to get a negative from someone for this comment. Is there a problem with me giving someone a compliment? I'd really like an explanation...
 
 
+4 # Nominae 2016-02-26 17:14
Quoting Billy Bob:
Weird. As of right now, I still managed to get a negative from someone for this comment....


For the truth teller, whether it's you or me, haters are just part of the background radio static.

You know, a petty annoyance. Thanks for your good work.
 
 
+18 # Matt_OccupyEarth 2016-02-25 20:24
If you read the quote you provided, he's not "essentially" or in any other way saying the same thing as Hillary. Bernie's quote says that society must be protected from violent individuals, BUT much crime is the result of at-risk populations being underserved by government. Hillary calls people "super-predator s" and says top priority must be locking them up. Bernie says you can't leave violent people on the streets, but let's address root causes. They ESSENTIALLY made opposite statements.
 
 
+10 # Billy Bob 2016-02-25 21:14
AMEN!

I especially liked the added touch of Clinton saying we "needed to BRING THEM TO HEEL".

If she was, in any way, worried about the black vote back then, she would have avoided the racist implications of that comment. OF COURSE, she actually MEANT - EXACTLY - WHAT SHE SAID.

It was yet another dog whistle to white southerners who knew EXACTLY what "bringing them to heel" meant.

That was years before she decided "black lives matter" (even if only temporarily, while she needs the Democratic nomination). Back then, she was still a "New Democrat" and primarily concerned with giving conservatives a reason to vote for a Democrat.

Now she wants to erase all of that, even as she has great difficulty treating the protestor in the video with a little respect.

She can't change her past.

She can't change her spots.

And she can't have it both ways.
 
 
+25 # nice2bgreat 2016-02-25 16:12
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Actions speak louder than words.

Hillary Clinton's evolution appears -- not only to mimic Bernie Sanders rhetoric -- but coincides with Sanders' ascent in this election.

To pretend that Hillary's metamorphosis is an organic outgrowth of soul-searching teeters on delusional, yet is most likely dishonest.

Not only that, with quite the condescending tone toward Sanders, Clinton nitpicks and distorts Sanders' record, often through innuendo.

Hillary, with all her "experience" has shown incredibly poor judgement on the most consequential issues.

Where does Hillary stand on "banning" privatized prisons? Where does Hillary stand on banning fracking?

Is Secretary Clinton's morphing to oppose the TPP for all the right reasons, such as those similar to NAFTA's Chapter 11 Provisions? Or will a lesser adjustment have Hillary, once again, championing the TPP?

Hillary is claiming to take on Wall Street, yet she won't release her transcripts from Wall Street speeches ... unless Republicans do? Really?

Please. If Hillary's private speeches are as bad as Republicans are publicly. That is very bad. No Democrat needs to know what Republicans say privately to know enough.

And the "why me first" card, seems an indication that her transcripts are available, but is choosing not to come clean. Must voters wait for transcripts for Hillary's contrition?

Hillary's dismissiveness on a host of issues reflects a sense of entitlement.

Figures lie and liars figure.
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+6 # Douglas Jack 2016-02-25 19:58
VIDEO: American Indian Movement AIM founder & National Director, Wounded Knee organizer 79 year old Clyde Bellecourt to Bernie Sanders, “Will you honor the treaties?” 12 Feb’16, http://bsnorrell.blogspot.ca/2016/02/video-aims-clyde-bellecourt-to-bernie.html Clyde Bellecourt has asked America it's most important question, "Will you honor the treaties?"

America is a genocidal colonial entity, which will get nowhere but its current descent into hell, until it honors the laws & customs of First Nations here. its telling that a colonized Black person as moderator, was running interference for Bernie Sanders. The moderator tried to keep the question superficial by continually interrupting Clyde while he was giving a fairly concise historical context. Bernie instead of recognizing & intervening on behalf of Clydes advocacy for 1st Nations and giving an honest commitment with details to Clyde's foundational question, quickly gets off of the stage with only a cursory answer. Not good!! Bernie, you are not going to get these kinds of fundamental opportunities very often! You should've answered fully!

Time to get off the colonial bus & rediscover our deep 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generatin g') tree-roots. Indigene Community compiles humanity's worldwide 'indigenous' heritage economic processes for a peaceful, abundant, sustainable human future on earth. Present day capitalism & socialism are perverted ghosts of a once integrated indigenous whole. www.indigenecommunity.info
 
 
+27 # nice2bgreat 2016-02-25 12:51
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Ashley Williams -- Black Lives Matters -- Holding sign: "We Have to Bring Them to Heel -- Hillary Clinton"

AW - BLM: "We want you to apologize for mass incarceration."

Hillary Clinton: "Ok. We'll talk about it."

AW - BLM: "I am not a super-predator, Hillary Clinton. Can you apologize to black people for mass incarceration?"

HC: "Can I talk, and maybe you can listen to what I say?"

AW - BLM "Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes."

Fundraiser attendee to BLM activist: "Sssssss".

HC: "… the very first speech I gave, back in April, was about criminal justice reform..."

AW - BLM "[Hillary] you called black people super-predators".

Fundraiser attendee: "You're being rude".

Fundraiser attendee: "This is not appropriate".

AW - BLM: "[Hillary] You called black people super-predators ; that's rude".

Fundraiser attendee: "You're trespassing".

HC: "Do you want to hear the facts, or do you just want to talk?"

AW - BLM: "[Hillary], I know you called black people super-predators in 1994. Please explain your record; explain it to us. You owe black people an apology."

Fundraiser attendee: "Excuse us."

HC: "If you will give me a chance to talk, I will approach your subject."

HC: "You know what, nobody has ever asked me before; you're the first person to ask me, and I am happy to address it -- Ashley Williams, Black Lives Matters, escorted out -- but you are the first person to ask me, dear."

Hillary Clinton: "[She gone?] Ok, back to the issues."
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+27 # Billsy 2016-02-25 14:45
Compare HRC's sarcasm and dismissive condescending tone with Sanders who gave BLM space in his public addresses. What? How dare you question me, a politician? Don't you know who I am?

Check out this audio clip of Bill Clinton phoning into a radio station that just happened to have indepdendent journalist Amy Goodman in the studio. She dared to challenge his facts and the REAL BILL came out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dVBKe6CQqw
 
 
+23 # nice2bgreat 2016-02-25 15:20
Quoting Billsy:
Compare HRC's sarcasm and dismissive condescending tone with Sanders who gave BLM space in his public addresses.


Bernie Sanders respects activism, listens intently, and has always supported working-class and non-discriminat ory ideals.
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+12 # Billy Bob 2016-02-25 21:25
Interesting link.

That's the problem with Clintons. They have the same problem Mitt Romney had in 2012 and McCain had in 2008. They're really not capable of hiding from their past in a world where YouTube exists.

Sanders is only helped by these things. The more people know about him the more they see an honest man who's devoted his entire life to REAL public service and being just about the LEAST corrupt politician in Washington.

Clinton's surly attitude shines well in this interview. The entire Clinton history (of THEIR OWN WORDS AND ACTIONS - NOT what Repugs said about them) is available to all who will just look.
 
 
+14 # guomashi 2016-02-25 15:52
Quoting nice2bgreat:
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Ashley Williams -- Black Lives Matters -- Holding sign: "We Have to Bring Them to Heel -- Hillary Clinton"....

HC: "You know what, nobody has ever asked me before; you're the first person to ask me, and I am happy to address it -- Ashley Williams, Black Lives Matters, escorted out -- but you are the first person to ask me, dear."
.


HA HA HA
20 some years
and nobody ever asked her about being a racist pig?

and now for something completely different...
$$$$$$$$$$$
 
 
-2 # Henry 2016-02-25 17:11
This is going to be WAY unpopular, but yes – there ARE some young black kids who ARE what you could call superpredators (as well as some very low IQ, bad background White fkd-up guys who are superpredators) ! She said it. Must she now be crucified for that? We've all seen the photographs. We've also seen photographs and watched videos of White Police superpredators. She may even have said something about them at one time.

I also witnessed her racism, and her enabling of racism, in her 2008 campaign, and I will never forgive her for that.

But I don't believe, as much as I dislike her (a LOT) that she has to get down on the ground and grovel before Black Lives Matter. So there.

In other words, hate piled on top of hate gets nobody anywhere.

And there are more people than just Hillary Rodham Clinton that have a sense of entitlement.
 
 
+6 # guomashi 2016-02-26 09:47
Quoting Henry:
This is going to be WAY unpopular, but yes – there ARE some young black kids who ARE what you could call superpredators (as well as some very low IQ, bad background White fkd-up guys who are superpredators)! She said it. Must she now be crucified for that?


The biggest superpredator of all was George W. Bush. Bush violated the Iraq war resolution and invaded just so he could have his little war game.

Hillary gets pass when her MIA morality forces her to go after Bush. Till then, she is a racist pig.
 
 
0 # dusty64 2016-02-29 01:14
First you mix up crucifixion with accountability. Then you mix up accountability with groveling. Then you seem to correlate hate with a sense of entitlement. Hmm.

You also show your own racism by specifying that messsed up WHITE kids have low IQs and bad backgrounds. Like those rich brothers in CA who murdered their parents for their money?!

Super-predators come in all colors, ages, sexes, religions and political preferences. Good Lord, Bill and Hillary are super-predators themselves!!
 
 
0 # Caliban 2016-02-26 00:56
My memory may be errant, but I think HRC used the phrase "super-predator " back in the 90's in relation to members of violent gangs, not African Americans in general.

The current deliberately misleading resurrection of that language in 2016 is clearly an example of partisan rhetoric and not a true indicator of Clinton's overall attitudes towards race either then or now.
 
 
+39 # Ralph 2016-02-25 12:56
She is nothing more than a George Wallace Democrat. It is high time we take back the Democratic party and drum these criminals out of the party.
 
 
+45 # Radscal 2016-02-25 14:01
Thank you Ashley Williams, and whoever paid the $500 to buy you a ticket to this event.

Ms. Clinton's attitude towards blacks (condescending and dismissive) MUST be broadcast far and wide.
 
 
+34 # danireland46 2016-02-25 14:10
This is like the ghosts of Christmas Past reminding Hillary who she was and probably still is.
Somehow Hillarys' black supporters have forgotten what the Clintons said about them and how the poor got poorer after the Clinton presidency.
 
 
+7 # Jim Rocket 2016-02-25 14:13
At least Hillary handled that better than Trump would have.Let's see if she ever addresses the issue, though.
 
 
+6 # Radscal 2016-02-25 16:43
"...Hillary handled that better than Trump would have."

Talk about setting a low bar.
 
 
+8 # Nominae 2016-02-25 18:32
Quoting Jim Rocket:
At least Hillary handled that better than Trump would have.Let's see if she ever addresses the issue, though.


In the sense that Hillary did not suggest that the young lady be "roughed up"
by members of the crowd, perhaps.

Apparently in Lady Land, the handlers "hiss at" hecklers instead.

However, in Hillary's condescending dismissal, the refusal to actually listen, the talking *over* the young lady while insisting upon dominating the conversation with pure political pettifoggery designed to demonstrate Hillary's "machismo", both of these insanely wealthy, rude and entitled pols, Hillary and Trump, sound a lot like two peas in a pod.

Besides, at $500 per plate, these elites thought that they had *already* eliminated "the Riff-Raff", and they considered this shindig to be a
"quasi-private" meeting.

Thus the need for Hillary to save face in front of the very Donors and henchmen who unceremoniously and ignominiously gave the young lady the "bum's rush", even after she had apparently paid her $500 to be there !
 
 
+7 # Billy Bob 2016-02-25 21:27
The problem is that she's not running against Trump. She's running against Sanders and she DID NOT handle it as well as Sanders would have.
 
 
+28 # DrD 2016-02-25 14:39
If it was in her heart, Hillary could simply have said 'I apologize for that remark. I was young and trying to help get a bill passed, and I made a mistake.'

If it was in her heart...
 
 
+16 # grandlakeguy 2016-02-25 16:01
HRC's record is that of a very long series of "mistakes".
 
 
+10 # Radscal 2016-02-25 16:46
When HRC permitted BLM representatives to "meet" with her (standing in a hallway in the back of the venue) after her security staff denied them admission into the event itself, she was asked what had changed "in your heart" since she promoted hubby's racist legislation, she hemmed and hawed, and finally said:

"I don't think you can change people's hearts."
 
 
+20 # Skyelav 2016-02-25 14:44
Yes, Dr. D, Very interesting comment. I, too, am from the school of admit, apologize, and advance morality. Some folks, however, would rather save face than admit wrongdoing at all costs. This is less seen in educated populations. The liars seem to hang out in the political groups. At least in this country.
 
 
+17 # Texas Aggie 2016-02-25 14:57
It has happened on several occasions with Hillary, most notably on her vote to go to war in Iraq.
 
 
0 # dusty64 2016-02-29 01:32
Quoting Skyelav:
Some folks, however, would rather save face than admit wrongdoing at all costs.


My experience with such types is that they obviously believe repeating the wrong proves that it is normal.
 
 
+23 # bbaldwin2001 2016-02-25 14:53
Bernie Bernie Bernie....
 
 
+13 # Anonymot 2016-02-25 15:06
Let's not forget that while Hillary was raised rich, white, and a right-wing, Republican, Goldwater supporter, she spent her young adult life in Arkansas. Goldwater had about as much black support as George Wallace.

Arkansas is one of our poorest, least educated (16% haven't finished HS, only 20% have reached a BA/BS), most corrupt states, and it has a 16% black population. She got her LGBT training at Wellesley, back then an almost all-white girls' school so she thinks she's an egalitarian.

But in AK politics black lives didn't matter much politically. Most African Americans were of the poorest, least-educated, and disenfranchised levels of the good ole boy society.

What she says now has evolved - politically. In her bourgeois heart of hearts what she really believes is buried under so many layers of self-deception that as with everything, Hillary's truth is very hard to find.
 
 
+24 # CL38 2016-02-25 15:19
As a 40 year feminist, I’m reconsidering Hillary's claim to be feminist. Yes, she supports women's rights. But exactly what has she done over 30 years to change the realities of women's lives? We know what Gloria Steinem has done in the US and internationally . But, what has Hillary done to help women in concrete, measurable ways that's made a real difference?

I admit I don't see feminist values reflected in Hillary's penchant for war or in Bill's policies that Hillary supported over the past decades. Policies like Clinton’s Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 and punitive welfare reform that resulted in the poor and black lives being set back for decades.

How to explain Wall Street Deregulation signed by Clinton (supported by Hillary) that dissolved the Glass-Steagall law? He deregulated the risky derivatives market, gutted state regulation of banks leading to a wave of banking mergers, and reappointed Alan Greenspan. All of these policies led in no small part to the global financial crisis of 2008 and the too-big-to-fail ethos, with the fed government obligated to bail out multinational banks, while doing little for individual account holders.

"Bill Clinton was responsible for more damaging financial deregulation—an d thus, for the [2008] financial crisis—than any other president.” He also gutted manufacturing via trade agreements. (Columbia Journalism Review)

Hillary backed all of these policies. Where was Hillary's 'feminism' then?
 
 
+6 # guomashi 2016-02-25 15:54
Quoting CL38:
I've recently considered Hillary's decades long claim to be a feminist. Yes, she supports women's rights. Yet, I wonder exactly what she's done over the past 30 years to change the realities of too many women's lives. We know things that Gloria Steinem and others have done on an international level to create change. What has Hillary stood up to do.

I don't see feminist values reflected in Hillary's penchant for war or in policies of both her and Bill over the past 30 years. Policies like welfare reform, the crime bill and others that resulted in black livess being set back for decades.


Hillary's feminist valuers are reflected in
"Waaaaaaaaaa!!! !!! I want to be the first president with a vagina!"
 
 
+17 # CL38 2016-02-25 16:31
I fully support a woman for President, but not a Republican lite female candidate who adopts Bernie's progressive positions after deciding to run.

Hopefully we'll elect Elizabeth Warren--or a female candidate like her, not too far down the road.
 
 
+5 # Nominae 2016-02-25 18:41
Quoting CL38:
I fully support a woman for President, but not a Republican lite female candidate who adopts Bernie's progressive positions after deciding to run.

Hopefully we'll elect Elizabeth Warren--or a female candidate like her, not too far down the road.


100% "gotcher back" on *THAT* one !
 
 
0 # Thistlestar 2016-02-25 16:27
Hillary fought for healthcare for all in 1993. When she failed she got the CHIP legislation passed that has provided healthcare for millions of children of hard working women and men. She fought to increase the Earned Income Tax Credit and when a Senator defended it successfully against the Republicans. Women all over the world have looked to her - Obama sent her to Africa many times. They have given testimony to her speaking up for them and providing a shield from oppressive forces in their country. She went to China in the 1990s when the administration was opposed to her going. She said "Women's rights are human rights and human rights are women's rights" - or maybe it was the other way around. She fought as a senator successfully to get Plan B legalized, something for which millions of women are grateful. In her earliest years working with the Children's Defense Fund she courageously went to a Southern state to document the injustices of education in its system. And that's a small sample of all she had done. She was wrong to support the 1996 bill, but Bernie and Jim Clyburn voted for it - primarily to end the carnage in African American communities. They are all sorry. She has said so. And best evidence of that is that her first speech in her campaign was about the need to undo the damage it has done and bring justice to the system. She has walked the walk.
 
 
+5 # Ralph 2016-02-25 18:36
Let's summarize:
- Failed to get healthcare for Americans.
- Through her policy of "regime change" as SOS, countless numbers of children and women have been slaughtered and millions more live under desperate insecurity.
- Considers other people superpredators who need to be brought to heel.
- Advocates deporting illegal immigrant children.

Nothing in your list shows any accomplishment for women or children. My whole list is a very real list of her crimes.
 
 
+1 # Caliban 2016-02-26 01:11
"Her crimes"?: I don't know, Ralph, but your "list" looks so slanted by misrepresentati on and misunderstandin g that it could well be called "criminal" with just a tiny amount of hyperbole.
 
 
+3 # Anonymot 2016-02-25 19:18
The lady has a forked tongue and loose lips. These qualities give good lip service.
 
 
+4 # Shades of gray matter 2016-02-25 15:51
We need to intensify efforts to protect vulnerable innocents from super predators. It is very racist to allow super predator activity in minority neighborhoods that we would never allow in affluent white areas. Violent crime, gangs, drugs, intimidation, terror are enormous problems for minorities. Provide them with the same protection we would provide for whites. Then: EDUCATION.EDUCA TION. EDUCATION. EDUCATION. The ONLY path to decent jobs.
 
 
+11 # Mainiac 2016-02-25 16:07
My understanding is that Bernie voted for this bill because it had a section that would implement measures to stop violence against women. Does anyone know about that?
 
 
+8 # DrD 2016-02-25 16:25
Mainiac
Yes that was the reason he stated at the time - see this great article with embedded videos published earlier this week.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/35345-focus-black-progressives-its-time-to-unite-against-establishment-politics
 
 
+12 # Radscal 2016-02-25 18:06
Bill Clinton proposed and signed a number of "tough on crime" bills. Sanders voted against all but one. That was the "Omnibus Crime Bill": Aug. 21, 1994, HR 3355.

That bill contained the anti-violence against women and the "assault weapons" ban, which Sanders said were the reasons he voted for it. But he was vocally opposed to much of that bill.

Sanders voted against:

* Clinton's Anti-Crime bill, Feb. 14, 1995, HR 728
* 1996, Bill Clinton’s Anti-Terrorsm and Effective Death Penalty Act, Apr 18, 1996, S. 735
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/104-1996/h126
* Clinton's Juvenile Crime bill, May 8, 1997, HR 3 (which allowed 13 year old children to be charged as adults).

BTW: Sanders also voted against:

Bill Clinton's Telecommunicati ons Bill, which permitted previously banned media monopolies
Feb. 1, 1996, S 652

* Both versions of Clinton’s Comprehensive Terrorism Prevention Act (Precursor to USA PATRIOT Act)
April 18, 1996, S 735
Antiterrorism bill, March 14, 1996, HR 2703


* Bill Clinton's Defense of Marriage Act
July 12, 1996, HR 3396

* Bill Clinton's Welfare Reform Act
July 18, 1996, HR 3734
* Bill Clinton’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
Sept. 29, 1993, H Amdt 318
 
 
+4 # Ralph 2016-02-25 18:30
Thanks for this post. I copied it and intend to use it as ammo in future discussions.
 
 
0 # Juliajayne1 2016-02-25 16:12
The 90s was an era of soaring crime. The bills passed back then were partly in response to fears from black Americans AND white Americans. I suppose you can read racist intent into a lot of things said by any number of people if you wish to be that cynical. Lord knows many on the left are only too happy to reward the decades long narrative of the right wing about the Clintons being the devil's understudy. But many black Americans, especially older black Americans, such as my husband, not only don't buy it, but understand the context. A context they were part of.

Since black people are not hemogenous in their views, I think context is important as well as admitting mistakes. Bill Clinton has apologized for the unintended consequences of these policies of the era, although he could only reform federal policies.

A new president also can only do so much about the policies in the states. I believe either HRC or Bernie will do whatever is in their power to ameliorate this terrible problem (HRC has articulated what she plans to do on her web site, as I believe has Sanders). But a president can only control the federal policies, which DO need changing. Unfortunately that accounts for only about 10% of the prison population, but it's a start.
 
 
-5 # Juliajayne1 2016-02-25 16:12
Cont.

I wish my FIL was still around to talk about politics since he and I used to talk about politics all of the time. He and my dear MIL lived on Chicago's south side and didn't think at the time that these bills were onerous. But in hind site maybe they would have a different view, as many now do?

Truth be told, I don't think they'd believe any differently now, actually. I knew them well. Half of my extended black family is very conservative but very open hearted and wonderful people. Pillars of their community who help people. And white people now denigrating the Clintons don't impress them much, I'm afraid.

Btw, I'll take the down votes as meaning that people are more invested in believing bad stuff about the Clintons than the lived reality of many black folks like my parents in law. They're entitled to protection. Many here are so anti-Clinton that they refuse to understand history and context. If some right winger were to express such certainty of intent as the people here do, we would call them binary thinkers. Context, history and intent matter very much. Btw, Bernie won't be able to do as he says about the prison population. But we, as a country, can start taking steps toward something resembling racial justice. One place to start is here: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/h/2016-02-12-hillary-clintons-breaking-every-barrier-agenda-revitalizing-the-economy-in-communities-left-behind/#details
 
 
+8 # Radscal 2016-02-25 18:13
Of course, we now know that the "era of soaring crime" was largely fueled by cocaine and guns brought into the US from the CIA's Iran/Contra crime spree.

Actually, people who were paying attention in the 1990s knew that, too as John Kerry's Senate investigation had already shown that was true, and later, brave investigative journalist, Gary Webb published a series of articles tracing that cocaine/crime trail.

Yet still, Clinton chose to propose and sign a bill that prosecuted rock cocaine arrests at 10 times the severity as powder cocaine arrests, knowing full well that rock was mostly sold to blacks and powder to mostly whites.
 
 
+1 # Salus Populi 2016-02-28 23:23
It is true that Clinton refused to support a reduction in the sentencing disparity between powder and crack cocaine possession -- but he was not the one who originated the disparity.

That took place in 1986, with a bill that was supported by the Congressional Black Caucus, including black New York Representatives Major Owens and Charles Rangel, both liberal Democrats. Rangel subsequently fought long and hard to undo the effects of the bill he had supported, but that does not change the history of the disparity, nor make Clinton primarily responsible for it.

Not that this 'factoid' absolves the Clintons of their Arkie-born dog-whistle racism -- remember that Bill took time off from his campaign to preside over the execution of a black man in his home state, although the black man had attempted suicide with the result that he was so brain-damaged that he put aside his last meal to eat the next morning after his scheduled execution -- the better to wear the mantle of "tough on crime."

But still, attributing origin of the 100 to 1 disparity in sentencing between black and white users of the same drug to the Clintons is rewriting history -- something that, given the right wing propensity to present their dark fantasies and paranoid propaganda as 'fact,' we should be very careful to avoid.
 
 
-8 # Juliajayne1 2016-02-25 18:14
As you're aware by now, the people here aren't interested in black people as much as they're invested in hating the Clintons. HRC has written a brief that maybe you'll read. I don't expect anyone here is much interested in actual policy proposals of hers. Hey, I'm used to it by now. Interestingly one day there was an article here from The American Spectator, a right wing publication (rag). The people here just took it at face value that they were right when the source was wrong and the sentiments were appalling. I pointed out the source material and got like 120 thumbs down. I guess people here think that everything "curated" by Mark Ash is to be believed as an endorsement of the article? I don't really know, ha! But these are hardly critical thinkers. Anyway, if you're interested in policy briefs that would help the black community, the link is here:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/h/2016-02-12-hillary-clintons-breaking-every-barrier-agenda-revitalizing-the-economy-in-communities-left-behind/#details
 
 
+6 # Nominae 2016-02-25 19:29
Quoting Juliajayne1:
As you're aware by now, the people here aren't interested in black people as much as they're invested in hating the Clintons.....


Voters are obliged to judge a candidate for Leader Of The Free World, Commander In Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces, and keeper of the
Nation's Nuclear Codes, etc., on BALANCE !

I don't hear anyone saying that Hillary has *never* done anything right, only that, ON BALANCE this Monsanto/Walmar t/Wall Street/Military Industrial Complex Dancing Girl/Neo-Con/Bu mbling War Hawk is manifestly *NOT QUALIFIED* for the Job she presumes to inherit !

She isn't fooling anyone, she has already proven her misdirection and incompetence as SOS. We can't afford to have someone in charge of the Nuclear Codes who simply keeps apologizing for poor judgement, incompetence, mistakes, inability to "read" a battlefield or a political pulse, et. al., but who just *really* feels entitled to Lead The Free World.

Nukes don't respond well to "oooopsies", Mulligans, or "do-overs". The job of Commander-In-Ch ief is not *about* saying nice things regarding women in China, however well chosen those words obviously were.

Hitler was said to have loved his dog and to have practiced vegetarianism
as well, but - ON BALANCE ??

I rest my case. ;-D
 
 
+3 # Billy Bob 2016-02-25 21:35
You're leaving out a few important facts:

1. Hitler also designed the VW Beetle (seriously, although I assume he just drew a picture on a napkin and some engineers were too scared to do anything but produce it);

2. Hitler was a GOOD artist. NO, I'M NOT KIDDING. He's taken a lot of criticism over the decades, but mostly because he was evil incarnate. If he'd not been as close as possible to the Anti-Christ, he would have garnered some respect for his art - even acknowledging that it wasn't terribly original (not always the only indicator of talent), and that he was a realist, when that was not a stylish thing to be.

Let's put it this way, he wasn't entirely like George Bush, JR. He actually HAD some artistic talent, and not just for puppies on velvet.

Maybe sHillary can really contribute something of value to the world too (after she loses this election)! There's always HOPE!
 
 
-4 # Juliajayne1 2016-02-25 21:59
Well, you don't really have a case, except a case of generalizations and hyperbole with a dose of Godwins law thrown in for what? Rank amusement?

Perhaps if you put some meat on the bones and give some details with good links, using grown-up language, I can take you somewhat seriously. Until then don't bother replying to me. Btw, the "Nuclear Codes" meme is over-used.

I love how everyone here is all of a sudden a foreign affairs expert. Ha! As if...And I wonder what materal difference Bernie can actually offer when the Pentagon and trans national corporations actually run things? I guess we'll see, eh? ;-)
 
 
+1 # Nominae 2016-02-26 17:44
Contributor Juliajayne1 is apparently at a loss to rebut actual facts in this case.

Demanding additional proof of Hillary's past is one very weak and evasive dodge.

Perhaps Contributor Juliajayne1 would benefit from a bit of a google search of her own on the subject of HRC, instead of demanding that others do her research for her.

This site alone has provided an exhaustive litany of Hillary's bumbling clumsiness relative to every important endeavor she has ever undertaken.

But, contributor Juliajayne1 is new to the site (similar to many of our recently added Trolls from Camp Hillary - so panicked by Bernie that they now show up in droves).

JJ1 may have missed the bulk of the in-depth analysis we have seen here relative to HRC. All of it, however, is quickly available via any internet connection.

JJ1 seems to think the U.S. Nuclear Arsenal is a "meme".

I flew nukes during Vietnam and the Cold War.

Nukes are definitely not a "meme" to those intimately able to comprehend their destructive potential, no matter *how* tightly uninitiated civilians like JJ1 squeeze their eyes shut, and wish
Nukes to *be* memes.

As to foreign policy "experts" - those who have been in the military, and to war overseas - do not exactly become International diplomats, but they *do* have a bit more insight into Foreign policy than the average civilian such as JJ1 - with NO overseas military/nuclea r background - sitting around sipping a latte and Trolling into a laptop.
 
 
+3 # Farafalla 2016-02-25 19:35
The reason the Left hates the Clintons is because the Clintons have always hated the Left. The entire idea behind the "new" Democrat was to undo the power of the Left in the Dem Party system (planks and platform) that the Ed Koch convention put an end to. Hillary has never been a progressive, neither has Bill.
 
 
-5 # Juliajayne1 2016-02-25 21:50
You don't speak for everyone on the left. I'm more left than Bernie or Hillary when it comes to Israel. I wish both of them would stop coddling Israel and AIPAC. Ironically Donald Trump is to the left of both of them on that front.

Bernie said basically the same thing as Hillary when the crime bill was being passed, using sightly different language. He voted for it at the time. He's as complicit as she, maybe moreso since he actually voted on the thing.

I'm to the left of Bernie on guns, as is Hillary. There is yet another mass shooting tonight. How many more will we need to endure?

The fact is this - Bernie, until very recently, had a bit of a tin ear when it came to issues regarding both gender and race. He had to be brought up to speed. He was a tad out of touch since his early days of protest which are interesting but long since past. They are both getting there and the degree of difference between them is pretty tiny. If you want to know where Hillary stands, go to her web site and look under issues and tell me where they differ materially. The fact is that Hillary has always been much more liberal than Bill and you really can't say there's much difference at all. The fact remains that she is a serious policy wonk and has the details on what is essentially a reparations programs for communities of color and others left behind. Check out her impressive brief.

What I see here is people bandying about facile platitudes that show they really don't know her.
 
 
+1 # Nominae 2016-02-26 18:40
First, JuliaJayne1 admits to being politically aligned with Donald Trump (her paragraph 1, above).

Then JJ1 continues with an enthusiastic Hillary Hagiography for the remainder of the post.

No wonder readers are confused - so, obviously, is the author above ! ;-D
 
 
+3 # lfeuille 2016-02-26 00:52
The President, through the AG, controls the Justice Dept.'s ability to investigate and prosecute civil right violations on the part of individual cops and entire police forces. It is a power that the Obama has used rather too sparingly.
 
 
+1 # Shades of gray matter 2016-02-25 17:55
Quite understandably, crime ridden communities commonly DEMAND more policing. Mass incarceration occurs when police are not sensitive to the community, and no serious programs besides policing are adopted. Not to mention the racist criminalization of African Americans to disempower them.
Clintons & Bernie should have pursued "Policing PLUS" positive programs.
 
 
+1 # Robbee 2016-02-25 19:19
what the hey? - # CL38 2016-02-25 15:19 ..."Bill Clinton was responsible for more damaging financial deregulation—an d thus, for the [2008] financial crisis—than any other president.”

- what does such a non-comparison even mean? - as woeful as bill was, as much as we have to blame him for - unless greenspan and bush 2's SEC chief don't mothball the fed reserve and deregulate the SEC, we don't melt down to 2008 financial disaster!

one critical failure of this website is to ignore the necessary complicity of zombies!

bill's blow jobs have exactly to do with failing to anticipating what the GOP would do with tools he stupidly gave them!

we can all sit here and commiserate about how blacks can't see thru bill's stupid policies, that hill has since apologized for, like she learned from the error of her ways - but the deciders will be blacks! - who will either be satisfied with clyburns telling them that they have known hill for decades, nuff said! - or else they will not! - when s carolina votes, we should have their answer!

- go bernie!
 

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