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Excerpt: "A state minister from Indian prime minister Narendra Modi's ruling party has described rape as a "social crime", saying "sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong", in the latest controversial remarks by an Indian politician about rape."

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India State Minister on Rape: 'Sometimes It's Right, Sometimes It's Wrong'

By Reuters

05 June 14

 

Home minister in BJP-run Madhya Pradesh state describes rape as a 'social crime' in comments playing down rapes

state minister from Indian prime minister Narendra Modi's ruling party has described rape as a "social crime", saying "sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong", in the latest controversial remarks by an Indian politician about rape.

The political leaders of Uttar Pradesh, the state where two cousins aged 12 and 14 were raped and hanged last week, have faced criticism for failing to visit the scene and for accusing the media of hyping the story.

A regional politician from Modi's own Bharatiya Janata party (BJP), said that the crime of rape can only be considered to have been committed if it is reported to police.

"This is a social crime which depends on men and women. Sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong," said Babulal Gaur, the home minister responsible for law and order in the BJP-run central state of Madhya Pradesh.

"Until there's a complaint, nothing can happen," he told reporters.

Gaur also expressed sympathy with Mulayam Singh Yadav, head of the regional Samajwadi party that runs Uttar Pradesh. In the recent election, Mulayam criticised legal changes that foresee the death penalty for gang rape, saying: "Boys commit mistakes: will they be hanged for rape?"

The BJP dismissed Gaur's comments as an expression of his personal views, and not the party's.

Modi, who was sworn in as prime minister last week after a landslide election victory, has so far remained silent over the double killing in the village of Katra Shahadatganj, around half a day's drive east of Delhi.

The father and uncle of one of the victims said they tried to report the crime to local police but were turned away. Three men have been arrested over the killings. Two policemen have been held on suspicion of trying to cover up the crime.

Although a rape is reported in India every 21 minutes on average, law enforcement failures mean that such crimes – a symptom of pervasive sexual and caste oppression – are often not reported or properly investigated, human rights groups say.

More sex crimes have come to light in recent days. A woman in a nearby district of Uttar Pradesh was gang-raped, forced to drink acid and strangled to death. Another was shot dead in northeast India while resisting attackers, media reports said.

The UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, has said he was "especially appalled" by the rape and murder of the two girls.

"We say no to the dismissive, destructive attitude of, 'Boys will be boys'," he said in a statement this week that made clear his contempt for the language used by Mulayam Singh Yadav.

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+64 # LizR 2014-06-05 22:09
Ah, so I wonder when rape is "right" ?

Maybe the minister in question would like to have something not of his choosing forcibly inserted into one of his body cavities, just to show that he's OK with the whole thing? I'm sure one of the women in the picture would oblige.
 
 
+28 # WestWinds 2014-06-06 00:34
#LizR quote: "Ah, so I wonder when rape is "right" ? (end quote)

--- Didn't you read the article? Didn't they TELL you when rape is okay? It's when you've been raped, hung, are dead and don't bother to report it, THEN it's okay.

--- Sheesh! How gd crazy can we humans get???
 
 
+1 # fenox 2014-06-06 09:46
If we had to comment on all the tea party idiocies we hear, nobody would have time left to read a good article.
 
 
+44 # maddave 2014-06-05 23:12
People (in authority) who think and speak in the manner that Babulal Guar recently spoke of the rape epidemic in India bring discredit, disgrace and racial intolerance down on upon the entire nation of 1.237 billion people.
 
 
+24 # RLF 2014-06-06 05:25
Usually when there are people at the top talking like this there are lots more that believe the same but might not be talking. Time to wake up and enter the 20th century India!
 
 
0 # Cassandra2012 2014-06-10 11:39
A.It is the 21st century B. WhenAkin blathers about 'legitimate' rape, there are equally many males here that believe the same but might not be talking. Smugness about how we are not like India is just that, smugness... and being unwilling to wake up here to the widespread misogyny in the US is willful blindness so we can pretend we are so much better... on the question of misogyny. We aren't.
 
 
+29 # Shirley in Berkeley 2014-06-05 23:39
Why do they hate women so much? Or is it that they have no power except what they can exert in gangs, and no self esteem at all? Why are there so many men there who are worse than savage beasts? Have they no shame?
 
 
+42 # Peace Anonymous 2014-06-06 00:02
The problem with the headline is that it leads everyone to believe this is the cultural norm in India. I have personally spent a great amount of time with a significant number of Indian men who are as upset with these rapes as we all are.

These same Indian men, however, struggle to understand how hundreds of American children can be killed by guns and wonder if all Americans think children should be shot.
The problem in India is obviously how "some" men think about women. The problem in America is how we all think about guns.

Our insanity is acceptable. The insanity of others not so much.
 
 
+26 # shraeve 2014-06-06 00:06
The problem in both countries is that some people think hurting other people is acceptable.

There are many women in India who want to carry a gun.
 
 
+19 # WestWinds 2014-06-06 00:46
#shraeve: "There are many women in India who want to carry a gun."

--- Maybe with good reason if the police and the government won't protect them. I live in Florida. The police here could care less if you're not a part of the power structure. I have pistols and I thank heaven for them every day.

--- But I totally agree with you that it's the stinking thinking that hurting anyone is okay that is the REAL problem. We need to find a way to get at such primitive attitudes and evolve the society beyond, "Me Tarzan. You Jane."
 
 
0 # brux 2014-06-06 11:56
This is the argument for gun ownership I have not problem with. A gun is really the only way one can hope; not be sure but; hope that someone or any sex can attempt to defend themselves from one or more people that are stronger or more determined than they are.
 
 
+5 # Reyn 2014-06-06 08:03
The problem in both cases is that some people can't be trusted with the power they have. Most Indian men do not rape, most American men do not kill -- the exceptions however must be dealt with.
 
 
+4 # bmiluski 2014-06-06 08:14
"The problem in America is how we all think about guns."
How dare you presume to speak for me!!! I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GUNS!!!!! Unfortunately, men are in power and it is they who control the gun laws.
So maybe next time you should address your remarks to MEN and not just do a typical reactionary blanket statement.
As for those "same Indian men who struggle to understand how hundreds of American children can be killed by guns and wonder if all Americans think children should be shot" don't have to read statements made by American men that claim that "sometimes it's right and sometimes it's wrong" to shoot children.
 
 
+2 # Khidr 2014-06-06 13:40
Guns and all brings to light another situation we have seen recently.
The Occupation sit-ins were treated with great ferocity and violence by the Law Enforcement Agencyies. The Government agencies sent in to bring Clive Bundy to justice, in the face off with his armed militias, the Government agencies left with doing their duties. What happened here, are they peas from the same pod????
 
 
+1 # unitedwestand 2014-06-06 23:21
I am vehemently and equally disgusted by both issues, guns and rape, but you threw me for a loop in making that connection of crazy thinking.
 
 
+25 # WestWinds 2014-06-06 00:41
# Shirley in Berkeley: Men are terrified of women and the more uneducated the male, the more of a threat women are seen because they are going to school, becoming doctors, lawyers, politicians, movie celebrities, etc., making fabulous money and males who have low self esteem see women advancing and becoming independent as the ultimate threat to their power. Their thinking is, you can't be a big shot if you don't have anyone to push around. This is why early education is so important and this is why tribal mentalities have no place in a modern world.
 
 
+8 # RLF 2014-06-06 05:25
They hate them because they are starting to GET power!
 
 
-1 # Texas Aggie 2014-06-06 07:51
No, they don't.
 
 
+21 # shraeve 2014-06-06 00:04
Am I ever glad I am not a woman living in India!

No, dude, it's always wrong.
 
 
+5 # pagrad 2014-06-06 04:42
Rape is 'right', if you are prime minister Narendra Modi.
 
 
+22 # Citizen Mike 2014-06-06 05:57
I should like this guy to expand on explaining when it is right to rape. And to see a huge public demand for his resignation for making that asinine statement. Only public outrage against his statement can save India's reputation in the world as a civilized nation.
 
 
+10 # Texas Aggie 2014-06-06 07:58
Don't hold your breath waiting for public outrage for this statement in India. Killing women for one reason or another is a long established tradition there. Probably as many women are killed or badly hurt by their in-laws, especially their mothers-in-law, for just about any reason including not having a big enough dowry than are killed during rapes.

Supposedly India is an ancient civilization, but when attitudes like this are so prevalent among the leading party politicians, you have to wonder when civilization will arrive.
 
 
+9 # Tigre1 2014-06-06 06:11
What reputation? Not with me. A crazy kid (girl) and from a quite-well off family went to India to study in a world-famed ashram...she lasted three days after arrival. Hasseled all the way from the airport, raped by guru...got away. Rich girls can grab planes. Dimfool, too: went back a couple of weeks later, to try at another ashram...same story.
To hell with the whole damn continent until REAL civilization takes hold there.
 
 
0 # brux 2014-06-06 12:03
The problem is due to population they are invading the rest of the world faster than civilization will take hold. Big problems trying to force Asia to fit into the Western world, we are more likely to become like them than they are to become like us.
 
 
+2 # cordleycoit 2014-06-06 11:46
One would be stupid to visit a country ruled by violent men, wouldn't it?
 
 
+9 # brux 2014-06-06 12:01
What other kind of country is there?
 
 
+5 # Khidr 2014-06-06 13:42
Are you talking about USA, UK, Israel????
 
 
0 # Vegan_Girl 2014-06-08 13:32
Please sign this petition telling these officials that rape is never OK.

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/womanifesto_modi_loc/?slideshow
 

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