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Reuters reports: "President Vladimir Putin made starkly clear on Monday that Edward Snowden was not welcome in Russia, and voiced solidarity with the United States over the fugitive former U.S. spy agency contactor."

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin (photo: Alexei Nikolsky/ AP)
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin (photo: Alexei Nikolsky/ AP)


Putin Says Snowden Should Stop Harming 'Our American Partners'

By Reuters

01 July 13

 

President Vladimir Putin made starkly clear on Monday that Edward Snowden was not welcome in Russia, and voiced solidarity with the United States over the fugitive former U.S. spy agency contactor.

owever, speaking eight days after Snowden arrived at a Moscow airport where he is believed to remain, Putin repeated that Russia had no intention of handing the American over to the United States, which wants him on espionage charges.

For the second time in a week, he said Russian intelligence agencies were not working with Snowden and urged him to leave as soon as possible. "If he wants to go away somewhere and someone will accept him there, by all means," Putin said.

"If he wants to stay here, there is one condition: He must stop his work aimed at harming our American partners, as strange as that sounds coming from my lips," Putin told reporters after a gas exporters' conference in Moscow.

When asked about speculation that Snowden might leave with one of the delegations to the conference, whose guests included the presidents of Venezuela and Bolivia, Putin said did not know of any such plans.

Some Russians say Putin should grant Snowden asylum, but his remarks suggested the former Soviet KGB officer has little sympathy with the actions of the 30-year-old American who leaked details of secret U.S. government surveillance programs.


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+57 # jwb110 2013-07-01 11:37
Russia has its own spying system. Putin's message is for Russians not for Snowden.
 
 
+1 # Rita Walpole Ague 2013-07-04 01:31
And true, is it not, that actions speak louder than words. People across the globe are 'puttin, like Putin' support for the truth tellers and outers, the Snowdens and Mannings and Assanges, and, like Putin, were they in his shoes, not about to turn Snowden over to the U.S. 'pretenders' of support for 'liberty and justice for all', all the while quashing same.
 
 
+8 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-01 12:02
Think Putin wants to Keep Snowden but cannot publicly say so. Maybe he wants to know what Snowden knows, maybe about what we know about Russia. Putin is smart enough to not spit in Obama's face.
 
 
+11 # Cougar27 2013-07-01 12:51
Why? What's the penalty for spitting in Obama's face -- aside from getting a long-winded, gratuitous lecture from you on Obama's academic credentials and how that exempts him from criticism.
 
 
+9 # Douglas Jack 2013-07-01 14:58
WW3 from all of Obama's actions, not all of his words, is the US, Canadian, NATO & Israeli 'penalty', which the Finance-Media-M ilitary-industr ial-Complex seems to be taking every step to ensure with constant destabilization of 80 national governments worldwide through arming of dissidents. The arming actually is part of the free-reign which we give to our FMMIC war corporations or the free-reign, not to acknowledge given to their paid for puppet representatives in our supposed democracies. Putin & China is trying to avoid the western drive towards the WW3 we are all asking for in our solidarity-free lifestyles. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy/7-nuclear-war-detached-housing
 
 
+6 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-01 15:58
Think you misunderstood my post. Just because Obama has a highly honorable academic record does not exempt him from criticism. Putin is smart enough to not increase international tensions. Obama is smart enough not to increase international tensions, by publicly saying (which he did) "I'm not going to scramble jets over a 29 year old hacker." I'm an Independent voter. I'm registered as an independent. I did not and do not give the title (pink slip) of my brain to any party. Any politician who wants my vote has to earn it.
 
 
+1 # Harbinger 2013-07-01 18:51
"Just because Obama has a highly honorable academic record does not exempt him from criticism."

Oh, is that your current edict on the subject, Eldon? But a month or so ago you decreed: "Your swipe at Obama may be well taken if you in fact can match his education credentials. Obama's university scholarship.Fir st, Columbia University. Degree in International Relations Harvard Law School. Juris Doctorate (J.D.)Graduated Magna Cum Laude."

As someone remarked about your absurd post, you failed to say if lacking Obama's academic credentials, one was also barred from voting. Or do you just required a citizen to hold his tongue (and his nose) while voting for the Obamas of this world?
 
 
-2 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-01 21:50
To Harbinger: You are taking my comments out of context. Which you have a right to do. I also have a right to defend intellecualism and put that idea in good context. It would not be difficult to say former president Nixon had a gifted intellect. Which he did. On the other hand, there are those who do use use their gifts at times for foul purposes. Nixon learned to not plant Nightshade and expect a non-poisonous result after it was too late. I'm an independent and yet I admire some things he did. One being the establishment of the EPA. As regards your last paragraph. This paragraph is written in anger and I would rather not comment on it. I would say this as regards your last paragraph: "I would rather listen to an intellectual like Obama on certain issues than a member of "The Flat Earth Society." OK?
 
 
+3 # SeniorCitizen31 2013-07-02 07:18
"Think you misunderstood my post."

Easy enough to do, when you contradict yourself -- sometimes from one month to the next, as Harbinger pointed out very clearly.

Sometimes in the space of two sentences as you just did. Quoting you: "As regards your last paragraph. This paragraph is written in anger and I would rather not comment on it. I would say this as regards your last paragraph . . ."

You would rather not comment on it but you did. If a childish sneer constitutes a comment.
 
 
-6 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-03 09:42
Suppose I say, "you are absolutely right." Will that make you feel better? Your points, if there are any, are childish, OK?
 
 
+3 # Eternal Paradigm 2013-07-05 06:44
And your original post about SeniorCitizen going to the toilet -- that RSN took down -- that wasn't childish? Not by your standards apparently.
 
 
+2 # Harbinger 2013-07-05 09:38
I saw Eldon's comment (before it went out with the other rubish) and thought it obscene, but I believe you've nailed it. It was childish.
 
 
-5 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-05 23:34
You guys are angry. Wanting to be right rather than well informed. Never quit. Well, so be it.
 
 
+4 # Harbinger 2013-07-07 14:17
There's your problem, Eldon, you think that being right and being well informed are mutually exclusive. They are not; they are interdependent. We "guys" understand that. Such a pity that you don't.
 
 
-5 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-07 23:26
A constant unrelenting desire to be right suspends critical thinking. So, therefore, constantly wanting to be right irregardless of the facts is simply "Fairy dust." OK? "The Flat Earth Society" is something I think is humorous-there are no two sides to a fact. So, I repeat to you, "you are absolutely right in all that you say and do. You win!!!" And, I hope my last comment makes you feel better, OK?
 
 
+6 # Arden 2013-07-01 14:14
well, I sort of hesitate to jump in here, but Russia is who told us the final piece of the puzzle, as far as I can see, of 9/11.
 
 
+11 # WestWinds 2013-07-01 15:17
Was it now Putin who OFFERED Snowden asylum? Isn't this why Snowden went to Russia out of Hong Kong???

Obama has cancelled Snowden's US passport and suddenly Putin is back-peddling on granting Snowden asylum stating that Snowden can stay provided he doesn't do any more leaking.

Question: Why should Putin care if Snowden has other leaks lined up that concern US corruption? My nose is telling me Obama has said something to Putin that has made Putin not give Snowden asylum and has placed this provision/restr iction on Snowden getting asylum in Russia. In other words, Obama has threatened Putin.

Meanwhile, Nicolas Maduro, president of Venezuela is conducting a scheduled 2-day visit to Russia and is contemplating taking Snowden back to Venezuela on his private jet and giving him asylum (thank heavens!)

I thought Ecuador would surely take him, but they too seem to have been intimidated by Obama threats if help is offered.

Man, Obama is turning out to be such a royal bad guy it's just awful.
 
 
+18 # Milarepa 2013-07-01 12:08
This isn't good. On the other hand who knows what's been going on behind the scenes. My fervent hope is that ES is smarter than any of the big shots he has to deal with. Frankly, I think he is. Besides, he has a destiny. Who knows what his karma has in store for him ...
 
 
+19 # indian weaver 2013-07-01 12:17
Putin comes across here as the consummate professional politician compared to the jackass Obama and Co. Putin may be double talking like most politicians, but at least he and Russia are not the criminals here under public international indictment. Obama and his Wehrmacht, his fascist terrorist regime, is that criminal under discussion. How refreshing? Sorry to say that, but, I'm happy to see Kerry and Obama sweating under the stage of the international lime light due to their destruction and collapse of our nation's Rule of Laws. Obama's amerika is truly a rogue terrorist regime, operating under its own rules and no one else's. Go to hell Europe and everyone else, Obama and Kerry say. Their response to Europe's disgust with amerika's eavesdropping? Well, Obama says, they do it too so it must be OK, right? Wrong. How childish and vapid. Does anyone believe anything Obama and his administration say anymore? I don't think so, unless you remain clueless and ignorant of our reality of the burgeoning home grown fascism.
 
 
+7 # WestWinds 2013-07-01 14:36
#indian weaver:

>> Does anyone believe anything Obama and his administration say anymore?
 
 
+6 # RMDC 2013-07-02 04:28
No, no one believes him. He's just a low level operative posing as president. Unlike Snowden, he just does what he is told and has no moral courage. Obama should tell all and then go on the run. Someone would give him asylum -- maybe.
 
 
+2 # MidwesTom 2013-07-01 14:50
You fail to mention Hillary, she was the state department when all of this started. I fear her more than Obama.
 
 
+2 # Activista 2013-07-02 00:44
agree - Clintons with AIPAC are the éminence grise here
 
 
+3 # Activista 2013-07-02 00:41
Fuhrer Putin has KGB mind - man without principles and morals -
Obama is a pawn of neocons -
hard to tell who is more dangerous .. in a way I think Obama is .. search latest sanction on Iran rhetoric - written in Tel Aviv - WWIII script -and Senate Vote was 99-0
 
 
+17 # Activista 2013-07-01 12:24
Putin KGB and his USA CIA/FBI American Partners - paradox is that these two countries "democracy" looks more and more as Money rules all Oligarchy.
 
 
+2 # Caliban 2013-07-01 12:47
Nobody who thinks Vladimir Putin is a more progressive and democratic political figure than President Obama has a nickle's worth of credibility as a political commentator in these pages.
 
 
+1 # hammermann 2013-07-02 04:42
Exactly. This is very shrewd move by the maximum ruler of All the Russias- who has crushed every other vestige of power in his country. Make nice pronouncements: "my American partners", while rubbing his hands at America's discomfort; on the other hand, this could threaten arms control and financial agreements with US that Russia really want- it's alot more than a stick in the eye- it's an echo of full cold war status, so Putin does have some reason for discomfort. Worse for him, it could rejuvenate Russia's startling new dissident movement (and world-class hackers), which he step by step destroyed in the last 2 years. Snowden is a tremendous asset and he'd better leave, lest he spend weeks being interrogated, willingly or unwillingly by the FSB. You would think, since he contemplated this for ages, he would have had a better plan for escape... But it's fun being the most famous man in the world for a while, having it hang on your every move.
 
 
-26 # hoosierinva 2013-07-01 13:02
Milarepa and indian weaver, since you both are so in love with Putin and Snowden, you should go join them. That would be Putin in Russia or Snowden wherever he is on his journey. Maybe by spending some time on such a trek, you might learn from some first hand observations the true nature of fascism.
 
 
+5 # indian weaver 2013-07-01 18:28
To the hippies who were right about Viet Nam too: "Love it or Leave it". Remember that one, hoosierinva? Well, we didn't leave and we stopped the war. Well, we love it and we stayed and improved it. Same as today, Obama leaves if anyone because he's the problem. And others, who want others to leave instead of themselves leaving.
 
 
+6 # jamjr40 2013-07-01 20:34
Hell, you don't have to leave the country to find out first hand about fascism. Just a short trip to Washington DC to observe our House of Representatives will do the trick.
 
 
+16 # Douglas Jack 2013-07-01 13:08
"He must stop his work aimed at harming our American partners, as strange as that sounds coming from my lips," Putin. Those who are familiar with Russian humour, diplomacy & kindness to guests, will understand that in the face of the US, Canada, NATO & Israel Finance-Media-M ilitary-Industr ial-Complex war-machine, Putin has created a 'vague-space', where US FMMIC aggressors must be made uncertain. Putin had no choice.

When the G-8 met, Obama was all smiles, for the cameras, playing this same vagueness/foggi ng/deception/un certainty game, but with war in his apocalyptic heart. One could see that when Putin looked at & interacted with Obama at the G-8, Putin could not believe his eyes for one so cold & calloused towards war everywhere & particularly WW3 planned & being deceptively executed in front of the world.

Putin & China have pulled off two diplomatic coups, which can save the world: 1) Making US NATO & Israel back off from overt bombing in Syria where 70% of the population support Assad according to a NATO poll. http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/05/31/nato-data-assad-winning-the-war-for-syrians-hearts-and-minds/
2) Giving Snowden space to rest & develop his capacities in a diplomatic fog.

Nelson Mandela could break this diplomatic stalemate by publicly celebrate Manning, Snowden, Assange & other whistleblowers, if his health would hold. We've all got work to do. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy/7-nuclear-war-detached-housing
 
 
+8 # Activista 2013-07-01 14:42
"70% of the population support Assad according to a NATO poll. www.worldtribune.com/2013/05/31/nato-data-assad-winning-the-war-for-syrians-hearts-and-minds/"
excellent analysis above -
data, relayed to NATO over the last month, asserted that 70 percent
of Syrians support the Assad regime. Another 20 percent were deemed neutral and the remaining 10 percent expressed support for the rebels ... so when Kerry, McCain or Obama scream about the "Syrian Poeple" they mean 10% that put their faith in the hands of terrorists ... translate also when seeing refugees .. they are escaping rape and terror brought in by rebels. Obama is a butcher of Syria - as Bush was of Iraq
 
 
+4 # Douglas Jack 2013-07-01 19:17
Activista, Thanks for your added analysis. From listening to Canadian public (CBC) media, which offers zero Russian, Chinese, Afghani, Iraqi, Libyan, Syrian, Pakistan, Iranian, Venezuelan perspective. & goes total New-World-Order NWO in its daily news, there is a fascist plot afoot. There are some holes in the programming on local & analysis shows but these aren't listened to by most.

I'm a former New Democratic Party local executive council member, but left shocked over how NDP leaders were marching lockstep with the USA for bombing without researching or listening to the other side. Canada has the same kinds of hierarchal corporations as does the USA (I have roots), which means that the population is used to being subservient to the boss. Canadian corporations do 50% of logging & mining in the world so are playing a key role in the ecological destruction of the new world order. Canada & USA throw away as much metals, paper or wood products daily as we mine & clear-cut, so our appetites for foreign ecological destruction are insatiable.

When raw materials such as uranium are factored into war-industry calculations, Canada comes out among the top 3, Israel, USA & Canada. Canada seems to be the tail which wags the USA war dog. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy/7-canada-1-war-mongeror
 
 
+4 # Douglas Jack 2013-07-01 19:24
Ooops Here's a better sentence. Canada has the same kinds of hierarchal corporations as does the USA (I have roots), which means that the population is used to being subservient to the boss. Canadian corporations do 50% of logging & mining in the world so are playing a key role in 3rd world ecological destruction.
 
 
+21 # fuzzbuzz 2013-07-01 13:37
As criminal as Putin generally is, I think this is a very clever move by him. He's saying *precisely* what hurts the US gov't the most.

Had he endorsed ES, ES's credibility would have plummeted in the US with talks of "working with the Russians" and "espionage" and "aiding the enemy" etc., as we're currently seeing with Bradley Manning..

Well played.
 
 
+22 # dickbd 2013-07-01 13:50
The USSR was a favorite boogeyman for our government to use for many years, and fear was inculcated into the American public in order to set up the CIA and put us under a permanent military setting--not to mention all the bases around the world! Can you imagine how frightened the robber barons were after the Russian revolution? They probably thought that communism would sweep the world. That's why the allies blockaded the USSR and our country sent an expeditionary force in to reinstall the Tsar. We don't hear much about that.

Now Russia is no longer communist, but they are still a convenient scapegoat. It is worth remembering that they took the brunt of the Nazi attack and practically won the war by themselves. As Isaac Asimov said, maybe we should someday get around to thanking them for that.

I love our country, and there's no place else I want to live--but I am really disgusted with many actions of the government during my long life time.
 
 
0 # geraldom 2013-07-01 14:57
I thought Putin was smarter than this. I don't believe in playing political games with one's enemy and Russia (and Putin) as well as China better wake up to the fact that the United States is their enemy.

The United States will always have one hand out to shake in alleged friendship with Russia and China, but that other hand is placed behind the back hiding the dagger that the United States is more than willing to use against Russia and China.

Either way, if Putin is playing some political game with the United States and Obama or if he actually being sincere about making or keeping the United States as a friend, then he's being a damn fool. You can't make friends with a cobra or a scorpion. It's not in their nature. Both Russia and China are the only encumbrances keeping the United States from complete world domination.

If I were Edward Snowden at this point, even if it would look bad on his Resume, euphemistically speaking, I would make a choice rather quickly to pick a country that hates the United States and has very little to lose by giving him asylum, and ask that country for asylum, even if that country happens to be North Korea.

If the U.S. is doing some heavy duty spying supposedly on our very best friends, them one has to wonder as to how much more spying its doing on its potential (military) enemies, Russia and China.

At this point, with Putin acting the part of the fool if he is really serious about what he just said, then who can Snowden trust.
 
 
+3 # cordleycoit 2013-07-01 15:16
As a master of spying Putin the spook is talking to Obama the spy master. There is no difference in the tyrants. They must conceal every move, cover every lie with cotton candy and feed it to their slaves.
 
 
0 # ishmael 2013-07-01 18:00
Venezuela. N Korea. Somalia. Afghanistan. Iran. They'd all probably like to have Mr Snowden join them.
 
 
+2 # geraldom 2013-07-01 19:58
Quoting ishmael:
Venezuela. N Korea. Somalia. Afghanistan. Iran. They'd all probably like to have Mr Snowden join them.


Venezuela maybe and perhaps Iran, but I don't think that Somalia or Afghanistan would be good candidates. The United States currently controls both of these countries.

Actually, Iran would be better than Venezuela because the United States will have a much easier time overthrowing the government of Venezuela than they would Iran.
 
 
-1 # ishmael 2013-07-01 22:31
If the US thinks it controls Afgh it had better take a closer look. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23127933
Somalia is a total mess. No one seems to be in control.
The US doesn't want to do blatant violence to him, just try him. Like they tried Mr Ellsberg years ago, who was honorable enough to stand trial. And he prevailed.
 
 
+3 # geraldom 2013-07-02 08:35
ishmael, I am well aware of the fact that the United States doesn't fully control Afghanistan. If they did, the Taliban would no longer exist or they wouldn't be fighting the presence of foreign forces in their country. But, the United States does have enough control of the Afghan government under Karsai to assure itself that if Snowden were to go to Afghanistan, that they would easily get their hands on him. The only way that the U.S. couldn't do so in Afghanistan would be only if Snowden were to join the Taliban and be protected by them, but that would never happen. I would say the very same thing about Somalia. The current government of Somalia is working with us and would gladly give Snowden over to the United States.

You statement that the United States does not want to do blatant violence to Snowden if they got the chance makes no sense in light of what happened to Michael Hastings in California when he died in a fiery car crash that should not have happened the way it did.
 
 
+2 # Douglas Jack 2013-07-01 20:18
Ishmael, Am I reading you wrong at what seems like no-give-a-damn, cold-blooded sarcasm? I hope not. The only nations which the USA will not easily send in assassin paramilitary subversive killers or invade to kill Snowden are Russia or China. Are you proud to live in a nation who's: consumer addict economy throws away in garbage dumps, as much daily as it mines & logs, export economy at 40% arms, munitions & security living off of war, of assassins, trial without jury, torture, total corporate-state information control, polluted rivers, creates desert worldwide, computerized show votes decided by corporate moneyed persons? https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/9-right-to-bare-arms
 
 
+1 # Jack Gibson 2013-07-01 20:04
Wouldn't any reasonable people expect this kind of pro-"intelligen ce", national-securi ty-state, pro-globalism bellicose statement from a former and present KGB agent and leader? Of course! Next, if Russian authorities haven't already done so, they'll probably be taking Snowden into custody from the Russian airport for the U.S., and extradite him to the U.S. as the U.S. is requesting, or let U.S. agents take him from that airport directly.

Snowden isn't harming U.S. partners like Russia, who they shouldn't be partnering with in the anti-liberty-an d-freedom things that they are doing; and any connection and/or partnering with the now increasingly totalitarian militarized police state of the U.S., proves them to not be trustworthy countries anymore than the U.S. government is, but countries to be nothing but distrusted, and not give any credence whatsoever to any of their bellicose statements and/or claims.

So, Putin's false claims really aren't surprising. He's always been an extremely evil man, and still is; and, in partnering with the U.S. government, and as a former and present "intelligence" officer, he is undoubtedly now a part of "al CIAduh(!)" along with the rest of his government. Therefore, NONE of his statements and/or claims are to be trusted, and such false claims about Snowden and/or anyone like him, true courageous patriots and heroes all, should be dismissed out of hand.

- Continued -
 
 
+1 # Jack Gibson 2013-07-01 21:52
Because of his background, I wouldn't trust any country's president like Putin if they were the last president of a country on the entire face of the planet; and neither should anyone else. They obviously support the evils of the U.S. government's "totalitarianiz ing" and "totaliterroriz ing" of the U.S. and the world; thus, they are just as much enemies of the free world, and threats to the True Peace and Safety of the entire world, as the U.S. government is.

Down with "totaliterroriz ing" and "totalitarianiz ing", and long live True Freedom and Liberty, as well as all courageous whistleblowers and true journalists, their own True Liberty and Freedom, and all of their promotion and preservation thereof!
 
 
-1 # bmiluski 2013-07-02 11:02
Oh for the love of God people. The reason Putin made that statement was because they told him the if he did, he could keep the super bowl ring he stole.
Big Picture people, Big Picture!!!
 
 
+5 # wleming 2013-07-02 11:58
poor putin,poor obama
they've lots and lots of trauma
whistle blowers are a fear
its state security trumps
what we hold dead...
ethics and democracy
have no place within the
national security state
autocracy
 
 
-4 # hoosierinva 2013-07-02 15:25
To those you who are seeing signs of imperfection in our Government, I agree that we can look at history and see that any democracy has flaws. I think we've made a big mistake in Syria. However, if you think you see signs of fascism here, I'd suggest you need to go back to your studies in Civics. And if your reply (such as that of indian weaver) is to brag about his or her protesting history, his or her attempting to make a hero out of guys like Snowden and Ellsberg, then I say “Is that all you are contributing?” and I ask “What have you done lately – in the form of positive service - to improve things?” More GRATUITOUSLY NEGATIVE, PAINFULLY MISINFORMED, NEEDLESSLY acid commentary in places like this?
 
 
+2 # WestWinds 2013-07-04 13:15
Putin may be just playing politics with this "stop hurting our American partners" routine, to which I say, "Grow up and get a grip, Vlad! Your American partners are hurting millions of people around the world as well as persecuting honest people like Snowden and Assange. If you can't tell the difference between good and evil, you have no right running a pop stand let alone a world's major country."
 
 
+1 # Edwina 2013-07-05 09:37
Hilarious. Does PM Putin think the U.S. considers Russia a partner? It is an awkward time, with the U.S. & Russia making noises about limiting nuclear weapons, but I doubt Putin will gain much by his stance. It may have more to do with the powerful -- regardless of ideology -- protecting themselves from an informed citizenry.
 

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