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Boehler reports: "Raise your hand if you thought conservatives would respond to President Obama's convincing re-election victory by lashing out at voters and the country as a whole." ]

Sean Hannity on Fox News. (photo: Fox News)
Sean Hannity on Fox News. (photo: Fox News)

Defeated Right-Wing Media Wage War On Voters

By Eric Boehlert, Media Matters

11 November 12


aise your hand if you thought conservatives would respond to President Obama's convincing re-election victory by lashing out at voters and the country as a whole, denouncing the presidential pick as the act of a greedy, lazy nation.

Well, that was part of Sean Hannity's media message yesterday, as the Obama basher tried to make sense of the president's surprisingly easy victory on Tuesday. Having spent the last four years smearing and denouncing the president with every passing breath on the radio and on Fox News, Hannity was faced with the humiliating reality that most voters paid him no mind.

"Americans, you get the government you deserve," the talker told listeners yesterday, his words dripping with contempt.  "And it pains me to say this, but America now deserves Barack Obama."

Hannity wasn't alone in lashing out at voters. The disdain has been completely unvarnished. Perhaps it flows from the fact so many people dismissed the far-right warnings about Obama.

And that's the box the GOP Noise Machine built for itself: During Obama's entire first term they depicted him as a business-hating, class warfare socialist who despises the American way of life.

But if that's true, why did Obama just score his second electoral landslide in four years?

Either 60 million voters just rejected the Noise Machine's endless, and often hysterical, claims about Obama, or all of those voters are part of the socialist problem in our "maker vs. taker" society. Faced with that choice, and refusing to admit their messaging futility, the right-wing media have opted for the latter: Americans are the real problem!

Tens of millions of them.

Never hesitating to question whether they were the ones out of step with the mainstream, and if their Doomsday warnings about the center-left president were too extreme to be taken seriously by most voters, far-right talkers and writers set their sights on the populace and berated the nation for picking the wrong candidate, and for being selfish, thoughtless people on the prowl Tuesday for "free stuff" from their "Santa Claus" government, as Rush Limbaugh put it.

"People feel that they are entitled to things," Bill O'Reilly lamented on Election Day, as he launched a pre-emptive attack on voters. Led by Hispanics, blacks and women, O'Reilly claimed there's a whole country filled with moochers who vote Democratic.

"Put bluntly, the takers outnumber the makers," blogged John Hinderaker.

Have we ever heard such a contemptuous, post-election attack on American democracy?

Voters weren't simply misguided in choosing Obama and the Democratic agenda, we're told they revealed themselves as deeply flawed people. And it wasn't just politicians, partisans or minorities (the usual far-right targets) who were the focus of the wrath. It was tens of millions of Americans, half the voting public for this election, who have been denounced. They are the ones who allegedly fell for Obama's "fruitful political strategy" of "offering" voters a "check" in exchange for their support.

Yes,  conservatives blamed the media for Mitt Romney's loss. After the votes were tallied they called for impeachment and revolution, while continuing to spew insults at Obama. (National Review Online: "A political narcissistic sociopath"; "a skillful demagogue.") They also blamed the weather and a popular Republican governor, denouncing Chris Christie as "gelatinous clown."

But probably the most startling response was the decision to blame Americans. To blame democratic participants for endorsing Obama's alleged brand of give-away socialism. (i.e Auto bailouts, health insurance, unemployment, etc.)

The lashing out didn't come as a complete surprise given the awkward reckoning that awaited the right-wing media on Election Day: How were they going to explain Obama's re-election if they'd spent the previous four years portraying him a un-American? Why would Obama be able to capture virtually every swing state if, as Fox News and Rush Limbaugh have claimed, the president hates America?

The gulf between the right-wing portrayal of Obama and how he's seen by most Americans has always been enormous. Election Day simply quantified that disconnect and forced his most partisan critics to venture outside their echo chamber and to choose whether they had been wrong about Obama, or if the voters had been.

Verdict: The voters had been wrong. So wrong, in fact, that they'd instantly turned America into "the shallowest country in the history of man."

Limbaugh substitute Mark Steyn complained this week on Fox & Friends that "there's nothing compassionate or humanitarian about saying, as they do in Greece, I got mine and I don't care if it bankrupts the state." He claimed that's what American voters did on Tuesday.

And Fox News' Eric Bolling bemoaned America's choice: "I have to sit back and go, Americans -- 50 percent of people who voted, voted for more of that?" Shorter Fox News: What is wrong with these people?

On and on the whining has gone, as conservatives turned their anger on everyday voters and citizens, mocking them as lazy hangers-on.

Writing at Vanity Fair, James Wolcott noted the GOP's jarring about-face:

Used to be, conservatives revered the Average American, that Norman Rockwell oil painting of diner food, humble faith, honest toil, and Capraesque virtue.
The Average American turns out to be a dumb patsy fattened up for the slaughter by too much government cheese and other freebies.

Obama's victory represents a clear rebuttal of the conservative media. Outlets could have marked the occasion with some actual introspection. Instead, its leaders embraced two hallmarks of the movement: personal attacks and a refusal to take responsibility for their actions. your social media marketing partner


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+121 # PGreen 2012-11-11 15:43
The nature of establishment news coverage is not surprising considering that the establishment media functions to promote (at least partially, and usually tacitly) a hierarchical system of dominance, in which government operates for the benefit of the wealthy and powerful. This system is already in place, but some oligarchs want to take the restraints off and do it openly. Thus the right-wing extremist talk. Such folk are surprised that the public doesn't embrace their assigned roles more fully. Now they want to whip the public (metaphorically speaking) into place.
+70 # herman_the_german 2012-11-11 17:53
Deja vu to the 47% comment, except now it's more than 47. I guess it's still not time to learn.
+10 # CL38 2012-11-12 18:10
The mainstream media is now predominantly owned by the right which was part of Republican goals set back in the late 70's-80's. Now they manipulate and control the mainstream message and flow of information.
+172 # Peace Anonymous 2012-11-11 17:23
There is no liberal mainstream media. There are those who refuse to tell us both sides of the story. Those, especially on FOX, who deliver the propaganda. We never hear about the AMerican overthrowing democratically elected governments in Iran, Chile, Guatamala, and Honduras. We never hear the truth about Cheney, Bush, and Halliburton in Iraq. We are never told about the opium program underway in Afghanistan. given the opportunity to tell the people the truth the mainstream media assists in the promotion of such noverl concepts as weapons of mass destruction.
I have travelled the extensively throughout the Middle East, and around the world. As the reporter in Kabul told me, "I work for BBC RADIO we DO tell people the truth. Shut your *!#*#!! television off!"
Thanks to RSN and a number of other organizations for providing us with at least an opportunity to discover the truth. If we choose to look the other way shame on us.
-154 # Robt Eagle 2012-11-12 07:43
Like most on the left who can not deal with the truth, you resort to name calling. Troll, man I wish we could meet. Obama is the worst thing that has ever happened to America and you are all so incredibly blind to the reality. At what point will you actually open up your minds to see the Chicago politics going on at the highest level of US Gov't. What is all this Patreaus wheeling and dealing and the timing of it? Benghazi is so significant, but you all seem to think it is ok to have 4 Americans killed because of a collosal failure of the President, his administration, and then ok to cover it up so he gets re-elected. This is insanity at it's most extreme that you folks are ok with it. If GW Bush had done anything even in the realm, you would have asked to have him drawn and quartered, tarred and feathered, and hung by the neck for all to see. Why does Obama get a pass on being so treacherous? Please let me know why this failure in all his policies is ok to keep in office?
+86 # Michael Lee Bugg 2012-11-12 08:52
Dear Robt Sparrow: Get help soon! Indeed, there is probably something about Benghazi that is embarrassing to the CIA, or our Stare Department, or the contract security people who allowed Stevens to get trapped in that building where smoke inhalation got him, but that does not make it Obama's fault! There is no reasonable way to make every consulate or embassy impregnable. They are in a foreign country, in case you haven't grasped that! Go see the movie, "Argo" and tell me an angry determined attacker cannot take anembasy if they really want to. I spent ten nights in the US embassy in Moscow in September of 2006. A determined Boy Scout Troop could have taken that place, and that was while Bush was still President and the embassy was in the heart of "the Evil Empire"! Soldiers in an embassy cannot stop mortar shells or RPGs, and eventually the staff there has to come out onto the streets where they would be sitting ducks, Mogadishu style. Please. Grasp reality if you still can! As for George W. Bush, I have said since right after 09/11/2001 that he should be in prison! He ignored over 50 warnings prior to 9-11, possibly because they needed a terrorist attack to put their Iraq invasion plan in motion, and possibly because he was simply incompetent! Because he made no effort to prevent terrorists from hijacking commercial jets 2994 people died that day! He then used his criminal negligence to justify attacking Iraq, and he shamelessly used it to get reelected! Remember?
+66 # pernsey 2012-11-12 09:13
Michael, Robt is caught in the Fox news bubble of lies and exaggeration. There is no pill that can help him, the bubble needs to burst. I think it going to happen soon for many Fox News sheeple. This Benghazi stuff is just because they got nothing else to talk about that might insight hatred and anger, so they are going with Benghazi. Michael you are right!
+54 # Independentgal 2012-11-12 10:06
Let's not forget Rush Limbaugh's tremendous contribution to this right-wing insanity! Fox and Rush have done an outstanding job of brainwashing so many people. Deprogramming them is going to take a very long time, if ever.
+28 # chicagoflygirls 2012-11-12 11:30
Don't try to fix them... their children are even ignoring these bigots now.... that is how it goes when you lose your humanity.
+34 # Phlippinout 2012-11-12 10:56
Sorry Pernsey, I wish you were right but it has emboldened them to be stupider and chase the very people they need to win elections right back to the other side. I love it! However there will be those of us who pay the price, it is always the angry white guys that pick up their guns and go after the innocent because they lost an election. FOX has already begun the process with Oreilly s " we have lost it, we're outnumbered" crap. They have become outnumbered because they have become so extremely ugly to listen to.
+36 # Onterryo 2012-11-12 10:44
So you think this is worse than the 241 marines and other military service personnel killed in Beirut in 1983? At that time Reagan didn't take much of a hit for the terrorist attack. Instead it was blamed on the military chain of command...ummm. ..who was the Commander-in-Ch ief? You can't have ti both ways!
+24 # Phlippinout 2012-11-12 10:49
Sorry but the worst thing that has happened to America is the non stop anger from the mouths of the white people who cannot face the fact that Obama is no worse than any other of the imperialist pricks that storm their way around the world ignoring peoples lives and homes and children and dreams. The greediest country in the world is always run by front men for the rich. Stop your stupid rants about liberals, buck up and see the light like the rest of us. Obama was a better choice than Romney/Ryan who could neither one, win their home state. Stop comparing bush, Clinton, Obama... they are all part of a bloody regime that continues the crusade for 1 per cent! My devil was a better choice than your devil!. PS Robt, Bush has just as much bllod on his hands as any of the ones you dislike. You are always beating the same dead horse,
+16 # rockieball 2012-11-12 14:28
I remember the line from A Few Good Men, when Jack Nicholson said "The truth, you can't handle the truth." This is the Republican party. They can't handle the truth that they are out dated. their idea's are out dated and routed in the late 19th and early 20th century. All they ever talk about in the last 100 years is returning the morality to the country followed by the 3 G's Guns, God and Gays. They do not bother to comprehend that the world of European colonial domination that they now want this country to take up, the world of minority suppression because it's the Rich whites that know best on how to solve the worlds problems. Those same problems they themselves created and are solved with having the poor masses take a bullet to protect their greedy selves. You keep bringing up Benghazi and the fact that in your mind and in the Republican 19th century mindset we should have blown the crap out off all of them and then let God ( whichever one of several you pray to sort it out). Instead of trying to understand the world and it's different people you want to change them to your way of thinking and living and praying, in a way no different than the Islamic extremist want this country to react in just that manner to further their own cause.
+11 # CL38 2012-11-12 18:17
Voters just re-elected Obama. We'll learn as time goes on what happened in Benghazi. If Bush "had done anything in the realm"?? How many millions were killed by Bush and Cheney here at home when they ignored at least three 9/11 warnings...and then falsely led the military & country into Iraq? Why don't you address this??

You keep posting the same rant and continually ignore the right's responsibility for millions of lost lives, soldiers losing limbs, brain injuries, record suicides.

Stop lying and ignoring the many failed policies of the right.
+9 # ABen 2012-11-12 23:10
Eagle; you are clearly suffering from the "Fixed Noise" syndrome. Seek intervention before the damage is permanent. The first step is to stop listening to the swill spewed from Fox. The second is to accept factual reality. Try to accept the fact that the Earth really isn't flat.
+11 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-11-12 23:48
Robert Eagle. Do you remeber Katrina? Mrs. Bush saying as people jambed and living in a football stadium, lacking virtually no privacy "they are better off now than ever before." Toilsts not working. Stench of unwashed clothing. Bush invading Iraq, killing 1/2 million people based on lies. Short memory huh?
+1 # rayb-baby 2012-11-21 16:16
Robt - You are the proof of the point of this article, brainwashed by the right-wing talkers, beyond hope. Benghazi, although tragic, is like a fly on an elephant's back compared to Bush 43's egregious behavior and failure to protect the American people and lie us into a totally unwarranted war. Funny how we didn't get oneta of complaint from the right for any of these things, not mention the 7 embassy attacks resulting in the death of 61 people. But I guess that's alright with you because Bush "kept America safe". HAHAHAHA! And you believe that. Check the link below and then turn off Faux Noise and get your head out of your ass.
0 # Pancho 2012-11-21 20:25
Don't forget Reagan with his 67 deaths at the Beirut embassy in April 1983, followed in October with 241 at the Marine barracks!
+23 # chicagoflygirls 2012-11-12 11:28
At one point Al Jazeera was rated higher as a "trusted source" than our US media sources. Thank God for the crews of fact checkers.... I usually go there first, then start to read the propaganda and watch a talking head or two. Hard work getting the story straight these days.
+19 # Firefox11 2012-11-12 15:42
The documentary Control Room, filmed partly at Al Jazeera where journalists from different backgrounds have worked, illustrates the concept that Americans would do well to venture outside the bubble of US media for a "room with a different view."
+12 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-11-12 23:42
Araham Lincoln."I have great faith in the American people to do the right thing when they are given the facts. The point is to give them the facts." Bill Maher, "there are no two sides to a fact."
+5 # drivensnow 2012-11-14 20:01
Fox lies so much that even Romney and Ryan believed them when told that they would win. They arrived at the "victory" party at the hotel and were "Shellshocked" when they lost. All they had to do was occassionally check with Nate Silver's Fivethirtyeight blog and see that for 7 weeks he was calling for Obama to win. Not a gut feeling but numbers to crunch. Fox said not to believe Nate Silver because he writes for the New York Times and he may be gay also. Nate Silver called all 50 states correctly and missed 1 senate race where the Dem eked out victory at the last minute. Remember this....Fox went to Federal Court to defend their right to "Lie and Distort" the news. They said the 1st Amendment does not say they have to tell the truth, and the judge agreed with them. Check it out...Google Fox goes to court to defend lying and distorting the news. Gotta love these guys...I just hope they do not change anything they do before the 2014 elections.
+110 # AUCHMANNOCH 2012-11-11 17:31
Amazing - I would have thought that these GOP shills would have been too busy wiping egg off their faces to attack American democracy! Apparently not.
+56 # maddave 2012-11-12 00:02
Wiping egg from their faces? Why?
We -you and me , We The People - are the bad guys here! We MUDST BE , because it's either them or us. . , and they have the microphones!

Look at it like this: The 48 % of the vote that went to Romney was split between (God help us) people who actually favored Romney & his non-policies AND people who were voting AGAINST Obama for race, failure to perform miracles, or whatever. I'd say that categorizing 10% of all voters in this group would be a fair estimate.

So subtract that 10% from Romney's vote count and THAT 38% of the total vote , Beloved, is the sum total of We The People's support for the Romney and the GOP's 2012 agenda! Which is about on par with Romney's approval rating going on to the election. That places the ideological split at 50% - 38%, Obama . . . which pretty much squares with Obama's and Romney's approval ratings heading into the election.

How you like them apples, Limp-baugh?
+55 # Nominae 2012-11-12 03:16
Amazing - I would have thought that these GOP shills would have been too busy wiping egg off their faces to attack American democracy! Apparently not.

In the reality-based world they would be.
But in the "Bubble", they need to keep on attacking, complaining, manufacturing outrage and creating fear and hatred, or they are completely out of a job, at which point they become more irrelevant than they are at present, which is a very short trip.
+12 # chicagoflygirls 2012-11-12 11:34
We need to seriously examine fear mongering, on either side, when it leads to not thinking at all about the issues. I've spent a bit of time on Facebook lately saying "calm down", "you'll be ok," to panic stricken Repubs. And lost a few "friends" too. Unfortunately the Religious Right are the hardest to settle down...
+12 # Firefox11 2012-11-12 15:44
The Religious Right has much fear in their dialogue, as their religion talks about an angry God, and talks about punishment if the faithful do not obey.
+12 # Firefox11 2012-11-12 15:43
Key point here: keep on manufacturing outrage....or they are out of a job. Yes.
+113 # golferdawn 2012-11-11 17:43
Since these Fox people seem to HATE the American people and democracy so much, perhaps they should leave this country and create their own racist, biased, hateful and WHITE country.
+67 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2012-11-11 20:35
Quoting golferdawn:
Since these Fox people seem to HATE the American people and democracy so much, perhaps they should leave this country and create their own racist, biased, hateful and WHITE country.

It sounds like a good idea, golferdawn, but they never will. Each of these soulless shills have enough money to buy their own private island(s) and never have to deal with looking at people who look different than them, ever again. Their "STUFF" as Bill-O-the-clow n refers to (money, houses, land, fine wines, excellent epicurean cuisine), is who they are and all they will ever have. In their own secluded uni-chromatic society, they would become bored in just a few days. Worse yet, they would start looking at family lines, wealth, and other factors in order to begin the socioeconomic class structure (and warfare) ALL OVER AGAIN!!! They would destroy themselves in just months or even WEEKS!!! They are too cowardly to establish such a community. MANY OF THEM are too afraid of retribution from those they have wronged.
+10 # 2012-11-12 11:10
Quoting golferdawn:
Since these Fox people seem to HATE the American people and democracy so much, perhaps they should leave this country and create their own racist, biased, hateful and WHITE country.

Actually, I came to the same conclusion.
I only wonder how these so called religious fanatics never asked God why he did not create a world with only white people? I guess they figute it had to be God's plan so the SUPRME WHITE POPULATION COULD HAVE THEIR SLAVES TO SERVE THEIR GREED! wELL, WHY THEN DO WE NOT HAVE ONLY ROSES IN THE GARDENS OF NATURE, ONE BREED OF ANIMALS, ETC? OH, THAT MIGHT BE A BIT TOO DEEP A THOUGHT FOR SOME fFOX NEWS-lIMBOUGH INTELLECT TO PROCCESS
+12 # herman_the_german 2012-11-12 12:23
They might wanna think about going to Pakistan:

The WORLD is happy with Obama. Only a small percentage of the WORLD wishes Romney had won.
+3 # independentmind 2012-11-12 14:25
Apartheid American Style?
+3 # Firefox11 2012-11-12 15:45
Interesting idea. Where would that be: on or off the planet?
+81 # MainStreetMentor 2012-11-11 19:34
Fox News has made, (for them), a step UP to: Political cannibalism - they are eating their own kind! So ... THIS is another step toward the demise of the RepubTeacan Party, and the downfall of Ruppert Murdoch. Can't think of a single entity that would even CONSIDER hiring Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly or Lush Rimbaugh once the newwork closes Faux News.
+6 # chicagoflygirls 2012-11-12 12:59
The twist is that if the "fiscal slope" comes on next year the Tea Party will have their so-called deficit reduction... big time. And will only have to start squealing again when Obama selectively brings back, with the help of the congress, assistance for the middle class that is a progressive, and proper response to the draconian cuts. Then the voters will see clearly what fair and balanced legislators strive to do ... and how the strident right works overtime to wreck good ideas in order to prop up their failed ideology.
+75 # pernsey 2012-11-11 21:00
I kind of think that Fox news is to the point of hurting the GOP rather then helping. Im sure there will always be people who follow Fox no matter what crazy things they say, but some people got to be getting sick of the lies, fear, and anger mantra. The stuff they say is so far fetched, Im sure some people are turning their backs on them. Between Rush L, Fox news, and the teabaglicans its no wonder people are so scared, if they believe the nonsense.

Hannity and Rush are getting big bucks for keeping the wingnuts afraid and angry...really the sheeple got to get a hold of this eventually, that they are being duped. The GOP is imploding along with Karl Roves brain LOL.
+23 # jaimot 2012-11-11 22:55
I remember when W. won his second term, and I was in shock. I could not believe that he was re-elected. I would HOPE that these two instances of re-election (Bush, Obama) have nothing in common with one another...becau se, for one thing, W. was pushing the fear-mongering tactic down our throats. But, as much as I agree with this article, I can't help but be reminded of W's re-election and my (and others') dismay.
+40 # Ralph Averill 2012-11-12 06:38
"I remember when W. won his second term...."
My thoughts as well. Although Bush II was never really elected the first or second time, I thought in a sane country he should have been repudiated the second time by such a margin that no Ohio electronic voting fix could have made a difference.
If we can swing the mid-term elections in the same direction as 2012, maybe we can say we have begun to take the nation back from the neanderthals.
It's all about Congress in 2014!
+13 # JJS 2012-11-12 11:19
When "Shrub" won the 2nd time the Republicans and their media lackeys were bloviating about the "mandate" that was given by the voters. Even Bush said he had a boat load of political capital he needed to start spending, blah blah blah.
Now Obama wins by more electoral and popular votes than Bush and they say he squeaked in.
+10 # Billbb 2012-11-12 11:25
There is one similarity -- a weak opposition candidate. Kerry never emerged from his intellectual persona to connect with the people. And I feel strongly that that election was stolen.

But the bigger truth in what you're bringing to us, jaimot, is that we're a deeply conflicted nation. Half of us, fed the propaganda/brai nwashing of the FAUX/Limbag/Bec chk lies -- coupled with the mainstream media not being willing to call a liar a liar, our nation is divided and in trouble.
+47 # ender 2012-11-11 23:33
'Limbaugh substitute Mark Steyn complained this week on Fox & Friends that "there's nothing compassionate or humanitarian about saying, as they do in Greece, I got mine and I don't care if it bankrupts the state." He claimed that's what American voters did on Tuesday.'

But...but... isn't that what Ayn Rand said we should all say?
+5 # 2012-11-12 11:13
Quoting ender:
'Limbaugh substitute Mark Steyn complained this week on Fox & Friends that "there's nothing compassionate or humanitarian about saying, as they do in Greece, I got mine and I don't care if it bankrupts the state." He claimed that's what American voters did on Tuesday.'AS DID ROMNEY?????

But...but... isn't that what Ayn Rand said we should all say?

+8 # Billbb 2012-11-12 11:27
That's the funny part of it. That's what the .1% is saying and others of the top 5% who refuse to do anything but grab more and more beyond any reasonable usefulness. They've hollowed out our country and cannot even see themselves for what they are.
+5 # chicagoflygirls 2012-11-12 13:10
Greece's government expenditures were not overly large, but their revenue was low .... they had not had good tax collections for years. Many say it is because the Greek citizens did not trust that collections were fair and that EVERYONE was paying. That is what a loss of confidence and loss of patriotic spirit does.... good citizens must PAY their FAIR share. I believe Americans will do the same, especially if they can believe that businesses and the wealthy are not avoiding taxes and hiding income and passing legal loopholes that most wage earners can never use. PLUS we need enough tax collectors to get the job done.... no evasion! By the way, most illegals I know can't wait to be a citizen, pay taxes and buy homes .... above board.!
-5 # Firefox11 2012-11-12 15:57
No, Ayn Rand did not recommend that the state should support individuals; she left the USSR as a young woman. My understanding of her proposal was simply that the individual should not be impeded in pursuing life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness by government. Both conservatives and liberals misunderstand her message which was neither for socialism or capitalism per se. She believed that altruism was the greatest evil: "you can not help men permanently by doing for them what they can or should do for themselves" William Boetcker.
+3 # kelly 2012-11-12 19:02
Which is why she was on medicare when she died.
+4 # kelly 2012-11-12 19:03
which is the reason why she was on medicare when she died.
+2 # dkonstruction 2012-11-15 09:21
In fact Rand (and and her followers folks like Milton Friedman, Alan Greenspan, Ron and Rand Paul etc) embraced a "mythical" capitalism that never was i.e., "free market capitalism"...i t is based on the false notion that "once upon a time" capitalism was about the "invisible hand" of the "free market" but then got corrupted by gov't intervention... this is simply mythology. The first corporation's were for all intensive purposes "government sponsored entities". As Adam Smith argued (in his private papers) the only way to create "workers" was by legislation (i.e., gov't intervention) to prevent them people from being self-sufficient outside of "the market" i.e., they would have to become workers in order to live/survive... this is what the enclosure laws in England were all about (think Robin Hood)....the first industry in the US, the railroads, developed due to huge gov't subsidies (free or low-cost land and gov't backed financing). So Rand's version of history isn't history at all but rather mythology about a capitalism that she wholeheartedly supports but existed only in her fantasies.
+25 # kelly 2012-11-12 00:02
I expected it and I'll tell you why:
The very same people who contributed to Romney's campaign, who helped bundle money and donated anonomously to the Super PACs were these people. Maybe some of them had friends who made the commercials. Does anyone remember the ad for Romney--well technically it wasn't for him as much as it was against the president--that stated, it was alright that we had tried Obama in 2008...anybody can make a mistake...but, now it's time to get rid of Obama, blah, blah blah.
It was the same principle. First chiding us but gently guiding us about our first mistake, then like an upset parent who's instructions haven't been followed to the "T", telling us we deserve no better than what we get...even if it IS destruction.
+39 # Regina 2012-11-12 01:09
The ultra-extremist Republicans thought that their ultra-wealthy sponsors had bought the election for them. They were shocked, shocked, over their betrayal by the election outcome. Karl Rove explicitly showed that they had thought the presidency had been signed, sealed, and delivered to them -- how could this reversal have happened? The Fox tantrums will no doubt continue. Between our sighs of relief, a little Schadenfreude wouldn't hurt.
+30 # m... 2012-11-12 01:18
There is WAY too much Media in the hands of far too few now. And often, those few act and operate like Media Empires with Galactic Powers working to shift Reality in the minds of Millions to ways benefitting their own self interest. These Corporate Conglomerates are beholden EXCLUSIVELY to their Global (foreign?) Shareholder's Interests.
Too much of it foists itself as 'News' but in actuality, makes its income from vitriolic rants and deliberate efforts to label everyone in America either a Liberal or a Conservative, then seriously divide Americans along fault lines both real and completely made up, then pit us against each other in between commercial breaks for the sake of ratings, profit and 'lobby' for the kind of votes they hope will make Government fit their agenda.
Who disputes the basic reality of this?
So much of Our so-called 'Free Press is so narrowly owned and exploited now thanks to rampant deregulation schemes, I will ask you if you feel America still has much of a Free Press?
Is News Media almost all now more like tabloid/propaga nda entities which view any and all information in the world, real AND made up as a commodity to manipulate and exploit how they see fit for their interests?
Look at the current situation in Argentina. The President of Argentina has had enough of a similar situation. She has boldly taken on the task of breaking up Corporate Media Monopolies in the name of Democracy.
Who will do that here for us?
+6 # chicagoflygirls 2012-11-12 13:12
I love Rachel Maddow's work. Watch and read her. And I hope the network gets her an even bigger team and some investigative reporters too.
+4 # m... 2012-11-12 18:30
I like Maddow's work too. I generally agree with MSNBC's 'viewpoint' and view Fox more like a rant with a creepy agenda.
Yet, the existence of BOTH represent a real and broad 'news and information' vacuum for America.
Again, FAR too much of American Media Enterprises are in the hands and control of FAR too few Corporate Entities. In and of itself, this is divisive and extremely mind narrowing. And, because there is no Fairness Doctrine compelling equal or reasonable time for independent alternative views and opinions, Americans are more able to tune exclusively into what validates their views and live in a bubble which for many becomes-- 'out there, is a nation filled with others!!.. oh my God!'
(get my drift?)
Historically, it is normal for media owners to express their views, but currently a disaster for America when there is such narrow and broad control over so much media by so few with 'agendas.'
If you look at news operations like Al Jazeera, BBC, Australia Channel and others around the globe, you would quickly see that Americans are far less exposed to not only a broad range of world realities, but even domestic ones. America no longer has much of a broad and diverse 'free' Press with wide ranging investigative journalism. We have a lot of rant, tabloid-samenes s and competing same issue speculation machines.
Al Jazeera was the ONLY Broadcaster in the world to show the American Third Parties Debate hosted by Larry King!
+1 # JJS 2012-11-15 18:50
Quoting m...:
Al Jazeera was the ONLY Broadcaster in the world to show the American Third Parties Debate hosted by Larry King!

I must point out that you are mistaken.
Amy Goodman and DemocracyNOW!'s program, "Expanding the Debate" gave the other canidates an oportunity to express their views. See
and search "Expanding the Debate"
+2 # JJS 2012-11-13 05:40
Rachel Anne Maddow should replace Deborah Wasserman Schultz as the Chair of the Democratic National Committee.
+3 # Pancho 2012-11-12 01:33
The author's name is Eric Boehlert.
-1 # kelly 2012-11-12 15:02
And your point?
+1 # Pancho 2012-11-12 16:05
That if RSN is going to aggregate news, it ought to attribute the authorship correctly.

After I wrote that comment, and added a note to the site, someone at RSN changed the spelling to add the "t" at the end of Boehlert's name.
0 # kelly 2012-11-12 19:07
Thank you for the clarification.
+20 # Milarepa 2012-11-12 01:42
Wonder why Fox hasn't attacked the weather for being un-American and stupid or even an Al-Quaida conspiracy? Mother Nature is progressively in charge on this planet, not politicians.
Indeed, politics have become a distraction. Isn't there still water in the New York tunnels?
+1 # herman_the_german 2012-11-12 12:31
It's not the weather. It's God.
+4 # Firefox11 2012-11-12 16:00
which God
+30 # unitedwestand 2012-11-12 03:16
Like someone above said, the GOP thinks that when media actually gives people all sides of an issue, that makes them liberal. There is something insane about that, because it isn't happening in the main stream media to any extend. Occasionally 60 Minutes, does an in-depth story, but they sure didn't do any on Romney's shady business deals or his multi millions stashed in foreign countries.

So much is being said about what ratio of different demographics/or races voted for whom, but not enough about the issues each candidate represented that people voted for or against. Considering the horrific policies of the GOP regarding women's issues, their war-mongering, their threats to dismantle social services that people paid for and depend on, their alignment with Christian religious fundamentalists , threats to basic human rights, the margin of victory for President Obama should have been even wider.
+5 # Firefox11 2012-11-12 16:03
perhaps it actually was; considering the efforts at voter suppression, especially in states with Republican Governors, such as Florida, which BTW was LAST to turn in its votes, partly due to the efforts of the state legislature to limit early voting days, and other tricks of the trade.
+14 # epcraig 2012-11-12 03:36
The weather is going to get worse as the climate heats because we've added enough carbon dioxide to the atmosphere to ensure that for the next thousand years and we cannot reverse that without acidifying the ocean..
+2 # wise old owl 2012-11-12 18:44
Quoting epcraig:
... we cannot reverse that without acidifying the ocean..

What? The acidification is happening -NOW- as a result of dissolving CO2 in the water. IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL HAPPEN related to corrective actions!
-22 # zonaman 2012-11-12 07:16
............... ............... .."The Whining 47"............ ............... .......
+5 # kelly 2012-11-12 12:57
You mean the alleged upper 47%, of course.
They've proven themselves to be the biggest whiners we know.
Beginning with such statements.made by Romney at $10,000-a-plate dinners.
+8 # zonaman 2012-11-12 13:56
Sorry.....I meant The Whining ReFlublican 47% who voted for Willard....
+6 # kelly 2012-11-12 15:05
Good. That's what I thought. That's why I waited to give you a thumbs up! Everybody else seemed to assume the opposite. You now have my thumbs up and I hope everybody who reads this changes their minds too.
+17 # Doctoretty 2012-11-12 07:35
If they hate it so much, what are they sticking around for? What happened to all those threats to LEAVE if Obama won? I'd be happy to see them pack up and go. Problem is, no other country will take them! Only in America!
+7 # rockieball 2012-11-12 14:30
Yea I'm still waiting for Rush to move to Costa Rica like he said he would if the Affordable Health Care Act passed (Obamacare to those Fox Noise and Rush listeners.
+28 # Stopbigotry 2012-11-12 07:41
A newbee here. I am hearing the right trying to decide what to do about getting votes. They do not seem to have the mentality to accomplish that. They say their message is right but they need young fresh blood that are black and hispanic to capture their votes. Are they brain dead? Can't they see that the 47% statemnet is always going to be what they really think of working folks that are struggling without healthcare or jobs? Woman's right to choose. Can't they see that woman should have a right to choose what is right for their body? Can't they see that folks that are born gay are still god's children? They need to first get rid of the hate mongers of Hannity, Limbaugh, Ingrams, Beck, Coulter. These are the ones that brain wash their base with hatred and negativity.Than ks, Bill
+3 # Billbb 2012-11-12 11:30
Amen and welcome, Bill!
+1 # kelly 2012-11-12 12:58
Well said, and thanks for the input, Bill. Always nice to have new people on the site.
+6 # rockieball 2012-11-12 15:32
It's hard to do when you have extreme right-wing hate groups like the Neo-Nazi's, the Skinheads, the Klan (yup they are still around) and extreme religious preachers burning other religions bibles around. The Republican Party should loudly condemn these people but they don't. They have to distance themselves from the Tea Party and their corporate masters, but they will not. Why? Because to do so would mean loosing their own parties primary elections. As a result no matter who runs on a national scale has be an Etch-A-Sketch canidate. A chameleon changing itself to fit in with the rest of the country. They can't spend 2 to 4 years backing these groups passing state and local laws to prevent immigration, curtailing the education or voting rights of minorities and the attract on woman's rights. then when election time comes around deny they said it, were for it or even thought about it. They have to worry less about the so-called Christian Conference and their concern about how one prays and more about how one conducts themselves in their daily political life. Until then they will continue to loose. Also they have to tell Murdock and Fox News to go you know what to themselves.
+11 # Stopbigotry 2012-11-12 07:45
So republicans say that their new strategy for 2016 is to bring in young blacks,hispanic s, and woman. The message should be the same though.This is how they are going to change. Good luck GOP
+3 # chicagoflygirls 2012-11-12 13:14
Marco Rubio should become an Independent. Now. If he has any character at all.
+3 # kelly 2012-11-12 15:07
Why? He isn't one. He has similar beliefs on education, abortion, immigration and fiscal policies. He was a huge supporter of Romney and even helped draft the platform at the RNC. If he quits the party, he'll be more of a flip-flopper than Mitt.
+16 # Lady Jane 2012-11-12 08:14
Stopbigotry has it correct. Sad to say, too many of the faux-news persuasion are driven by hatred. As much as they chest-thump their patriotism and religious beliefs, their behavior demonstrates to most voters, certainly most women, their utter contempt for the 98%. The mass media (both sides) certainly did assist in hiding Romney's record at Bain and elsewhere, but the voters could see behind there was no evidence of basic belief in the American people overall, merely a desire to pander to the richest backers of the Republiteacans. Basically, Citizens United was overturned by the united citizens (enlightened ones) of the US!!
+16 # wolf8888 2012-11-12 09:17
America Wake UP! Lets boycott Fox Sponsors..and let them know, it worked against Rush Limbough,his sponsors lost face and cost them millionsin paid Advertising, we can do it again..
+3 # chicagoflygirls 2012-11-12 13:15
Don't know Foz sponsors...give me a list, I don't wast time watching Fox.
+11 # pernsey 2012-11-12 09:26
There needs to be a new conservative news network that is more center. Fox news is insighting anger and hatred that I think some of their viewers crack and get violent due to the lies. As I think unstable people are more likely to be attracted to Fox news rather then CNN or other mainstream media.

Sanity, responsibility, and truth needs to trump sensationalism, lies, and anger. Fox news needs to be responsible for what they are creating. Rupert, Cheney, Rove, and Rush have created a cult of right wing nut jobs that think they are informed when infact they are less informed then people who dont watch any news. I know a lady who spouts Hannity like its a fact, the nonsense she spews is amazingly uninformed and sometimes bordering on ridiculous and most times crosses the line into lunacy. Most times Im so flabber ghasted at the amount of nonsense, I just cant see any sane type of debate or verbal exchange happening between us. Its amazing the lies being reported as news. Fox news will go down in history, after it is disbanded, as the worst propaganda machine in America. Im hoping on some level so called news media will be held accountable for what they report, that its fact based and not fairy tales of the deluded. They are making up their own reality, and bringing unsuspecting victims into a bubble of disinformation. This stuff needs to be illegal.
+1 # chicagoflygirls 2012-11-12 13:16
Marco Rubio should become an Independent. Now. If he has any character at all. The word conservative has become tarnished and twisted... a useless word.
0 # Firefox11 2012-11-12 16:05
Andrew Sullivan, The Daily Beast, is an intelligent conservative who understands the problem here in America of the radical right. He is often featured on talk shows.
+5 # tbcrawford 2012-11-12 10:20
You hit a nerve; such angry verbal flailing, the Fox style, is typical of those caught red-handed when they know they are wrong. Tragically we are racist, prejudiced against anything we don't understand or fear; our national bullying tendencies have gone global. I only fault Obama for trying civil negotiation, for his faith in compromise no matter what. In this environment of self-righteous, misogynist hatred of anything not white, christian, different, we are on the path to destruction. The great "democratic" dream is fading fast.
+8 # Texas Aggie 2012-11-12 11:00
I don't fault Obama for trying civil negotiation because that is how grown-ups live and interact. Not only did he do it because he is a grown-up, but it served the purpose of showing people that he was reasonable. However, I do agree that he should have given it up when it became abundantly clear that he wasn't dealing with grown-ups, instead of continuing beyond what any normal person would have done.
+6 # tclose 2012-11-12 11:24
The result of the election maybe shows that the dream we thought was fading since 1980 is making a comeback, who knows. Could it be that the right wing wave has crested, and we will see a swing of the pendulum back to normalcy and sanity?
+1 # Firefox11 2012-11-12 16:06
Quite possibly.
+3 # kelly 2012-11-12 13:16
tb, your comment is correct but we have to look at it this way. "Tragicall we are racist, prejudiced against anything we don't understand or fear..."
This puts one thing into play. Racism is a CHOICE. We are also sapient, sagacious persons with the ability to learn about those things that we fear. When someone say they don't like Iranians or moslems, I ask if they met one or if they can tell me why. Most have no reason. If you want to know the reason for our destruction, it our own willingness to be ignorant. It is a choice. With computers and, yes they still exist, libraries, there is really no excuse for it. Perhaps, in a way, if we had elected Romney those pundits would have been right and we would have gotten what we deserved because we chose not to see what was in front of our eyes. How does one force a country's eyes open? If Romney had won, perhaps we should have asked that just as Germany should have asked it in 1932 before the fire in the Reichstag.
+7 # Texas Aggie 2012-11-12 10:50
We need to acknowledge that our society does have a separation between the makers and the takers. There are the makers working on the assembly lines, in the restaurants, in the fields, building construction, on the roads, on the floor in box stores, in day care centers and hospitals, and countless other places.

Then there are the takers who sit behind their desks dressed in their Brooks Brothers suits and Armani shoes paying themselves far beyond anything that they're worth with money that was earned by the makers and should have gone to them instead.
+9 # chinaski 2012-11-12 11:04
As I'm reading this, I can see out my front window a crew of greedy & lazy Guatemalan landscapers cutting my neighbor's lawn, hauling brush & leaves away, trimming his bushes, edging his lawn. I know these guys, they've been up since 5, picked up by a van and brought to work where they'll get $8/hr for their twelve hour day and sometime after sunset be brought back to a apartment they all share on 'their side' of town.
But Sean Hannity knows better. He has a uniquely accurate frame of reference from which to lecture us from his memory-foam swivel chair on who's getting exactly what done in this country. Nothing like the down-home wisdom of a coiffed & manicured, milk-fed right wing pundit to put it all in perspective for us.
I wonder if he knows how clearly he's made his point?
+4 # herman_the_german 2012-11-12 12:36
Problem is, those people on the edge of American society (not necessarily illegal aliens just, maybe, low education laborers,) are unlikely to have voted. I have talked to a few and that is definitely the case in my community.
+6 # reiverpacific 2012-11-12 12:10
Well, just like in the end, Hitler lashed out at the German people, blaming them for being unwilling to fight and die to the last person for him, just before he blew his and Eva Brauns' brains out rather than face looming justice.
Hannity and Co. seem to be of the same mindset -as well as those blinkered reactionaries infesting RSN betimes, who can't see through the red mist of their hatred for a President who, shall we say, "Doesn't look like them", is multicultural in origin and at least a little progressive, lumps, failings and all who will do his best for you within the limits allowed him by the military-indust rial and banking complexes.
Again, may I suggest Paraguay (I've often been told to move back to Europe by at least one of these predictable, antediluvian bores). It is tropical, corrupt, landlocked, back in the shadow of the medievalist right and more and more isolated by it's more progressive neighbors. You'd be right at home there but might actually have to work until too old then drop dead; and the people may get pissed off enough again to take back the government.
The world is shrinking for the hard Right hate-mongers, which is possibly why the Bush Die-nasty have bought a large swathe of land in Paraguay, long a last resort of Nazi war-criminals.
+6 # readerz 2012-11-12 13:20
I am so grateful to RSN for presenting quotes from the right-wing so that the rest of us don't have to see what these hate-mongers are saying. Somebody has to monitor them, see "The Garden of the Finzi-Continis: " When the right-wing becomes violent, we need to know.

I would consider what is happening right now in Ohio (state level) to be violence against women, and thank you RSN for the warning. Pro-choice e-mails and cards to the Ohio statehouse would be appreciated.

I just sent a contribution to the Ohio Democratic Party for a recount of two people who ran for the state house; if the provisional and mail-in ballots are counted, the Democrats probably won. If funds are not raised for this recount, then the Republicans will have a super-majority, and they can push through the worst abortion rule in the country. I feel like pirates have already stolen our state; this is the capper. Lots of state Democratic Parties need recount funds right now in important votes.

While I feel that the right-wing is shrinking, there are plenty of white families with 5 kids and extremist values; this will still be an issue down the road, even if they are the minority. And if everybody in America is reproducing like this, we will be more populated than China in 50 years.
+1 # kelly 2012-11-12 15:11
Is there a link to a petition or a link to the site for donations?
+6 # zonaman 2012-11-12 13:54
Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney said in May that he’d written off votes from 47 percent of Americans who are collecting government aid. Turns out many of them are part of his political base.

Seventy percent of counties with the fastest-growth in food-stamp aid during the last four years voted for the Republican 
pre sidential candidate in 2008, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data .

So who are the so-called "moochers" the ReFlublicans keep whining about?.......TH EMSELVES
+7 # kelly 2012-11-12 15:12
He's a moocher if you count the 10m his ocmpany took in bankruptcy money from the government and never repaid. And that was just one deal.
+4 # RicKelis 2012-11-12 14:18
The right-wing media have become a liability to the Conservative/Re publican side of the spectrum. Wiser heads within the movement should brand that misleading media group as such, declare it openly to the electorate, renounce their negative methods and tactics, apologize for the horrible things they have said and done, especially to the president, and seek to join main-stream centrist America. This would get them up to a point where they can start over. But that probably won't happen-- there doesn't seem to be any "wiser heads"on the right that would dare to come forward.
+1 # Inland Jim 2012-11-12 20:03
Seems to me even the uninformed have got to get tired of the guy with the Alley Oop hairline.
+5 # CL38 2012-11-12 23:09
It doesn't matter what the right wing media think -- their rhetoric has been rejected by the majority.

Stop whining and let's get on with fixing damage done by the right.
+1 # sharsand 2012-11-14 18:11
Let's not forget that Murdoch and Fox do not give us news--shouldn't be allowed by FCC to be called news--it's opinion-and awful opinions at that. We should stop Murdoch from buying the LA Times and Chicago Tribune. How do dictators get in--first they take control of the media. For the heck of it, just look what News Corp owns and you might be a little frightened, including Barrons, Smart Money, WSJ, New York Post, and hundreds of different media outlets, TV and movie stations worldwide--all with a right-wing slant.

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