Gertz reports: "Mike Vanderboegh recently predicted that if the Supreme Court declared the health care reform bill to be constitutional, it would lead to violent insurrection against 'government tyranny.'"
The justices of the US Supreme Court, 10/08/11. (photo: Pablo Martinez Monsivais/AP)
An Armed Insurrection Over Health Care Decision?
01 July 12
ike Vanderboegh, the ex-militia blogger who calls himself one of the "midwives" of the Operation Fast and Furious scandal, recently predicted that if the Supreme Court declared the health care reform bill to be constitutional, it would lead to violent insurrection against "government tyranny."
The blogger posted the statements, which come from a recent unpublished interview, the same day the House of Representatives voted to find Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt over his unwillingness to release documents related to Fast and Furious.
In the excerpts Vanderboegh posted on his blog "which deal with the decision today," he says of a then-potential decision upholding the health care law, "You may call tyranny a mandate or you may call it a tax, but it still is tyranny and invites the same response." He further predicts the response of his ilk: "If we refuse to obey, we will be fined. If we refuse to pay the fine, we will in time be jailed. If we refuse to report meekly to jail, we will be sent for by armed men. And if we refuse their violent invitation at the doorsteps of our own homes we will be killed - unless we kill them first. ... I am on record as advocating the right of defensive violence against a tyrannical regime."
Vanderboegh gained fame in 2010 when he urged his readers to respond to the passage of health care reform by breaking the windows of Democratic offices, then took credit after vandals struck several such offices. The Alabama-based blogger has previously been part of the militia and Minuteman movements, and leads the Three Percenters, a group which claims to represent the three percent of gun owners who "who will not disarm, will not compromise and will no longer back up at the passage of the next gun control act" but will instead, "if forced by any would-be oppressor, ... kill in the defense of ourselves and the Constitution."
Vanderboegh was one of the first to break the story that ATF whistleblowers said that they had been ordered to knowingly allow gun trafficking suspects to take weapons across the border into Mexico. The operation was intended to allow law enforcement to identify other members of the trafficking network that for years has directed assault weapons into the hands of Mexican cartels, with the goal of bringing those cartels down. He has said that he and a fellow blogger were the "midwives of the scandal" who introduced the whistleblowers to congressional investigators. He has theorized that the operation was part of a secret plot against the Second Amendment directed from the highest levels of government.
Last year Fox repeatedly hosted Vanderboegh on their air to provide expert commentary on the story. Then in November, four Georgia men were arrested in connection with an alleged plot to kill federal employees and civilians using explosives and the biological agent ricin. According to the criminal complaint against him, one of the alleged domestic terrorists repeatedly cited Vanderboegh'snovel Absolved as the inspiration for their plot. Media subsequently noted that Vanderboegh had, in the words of the Associated Press, "appeared as a commentator on Fox News Channel." He has not done so since.
Vanderboegh's exchange with the unnamed reporter from today's blog post:
Question: You said in an interview with the Washington Post that a handful of Americans "are armed and are capable of making such resistance possible and perhaps even initiating a civil war." Would you support a civil war over health care law?
"Initiating a civil war" is a misquote. All of my work has been focused on preventing a civil war by making the clueless understand that one is possible. Their Weltanschauungs prevent it. I'm trying to get them to understand that we are in fact two countries now. We share a common language (most of us) and border, but we disagree on the critical question that the Founders answered with defensive violence against King George's violence - shall the people serve the government of the government serve the people? Does it matter if we agree on traffic laws or the rules by which our kids play soccer if we disagree on something so fundamental? The health care law carries with its meeching platitudinous promises the hard steel fist of government violence at the center. If we refuse to obey, we will be fined. If we refuse to pay the fine, we will in time be jailed. If we refuse to report meekly to jail, we will be sent for by armed men. And if we refuse their violent invitation at the doorsteps of our own homes we will be killed - unless we kill them first. It is Nancy Pelosi who first plunked the threat of violence on the table like Goering reaching for his revolver. How should principled, free people react to such threats? I am on record as advocating the right of defensive violence against a tyrannical regime. The Founders would agree. If someone on the street threatens to break into my house and steal my property or kill me, and I tell them, "If you do this, you will be killed," am I the violent one? Or is it merely good manners to warn the miscreant of the probable outcome?
I was once asked by a gun prohibitionist my thoughts on his desire for my disarmament. I began to explain as best I could and he cut me off with an impatient, "Give me the short answer." "Okay," I said after pausing briefly, "If you try to take our firearms we will kill you." He left quickly, muttering oaths about my sanity. Yet you will get the same answer from that other half of the country that such people make no attempt to understand, only deride and name-call. Such ignorance can get a whole lot of people killed. That is the point I'm trying to get across. If the Constitution as crafted by the Founders and the rule of law no longer applies, that is, if we now have the law of the jungle, then my half of the country is far better prepared to live and thrive in that jungle others force into than they are. Another formulation: If the rule of law no longer protects us from government tyranny, it no longer protects that tyranny and its acolytes from us. It is a two-way street and I hope desperately that Nancy Pelosi and her ilk understand that before it is too late.
Question: What are your thoughts about how the Supreme Court will rule on health care Thursday? What do you see as the potential implications of its decision?
See above. If the individual mandate is upheld, me and a few million of my friends will not comply and we will make ourselves so obnoxious in our refusal that sooner or later some government agent is going to try to kill us. Because the one thing a tyrant cannot tolerate is the example of someone being unafraid and saying "No." It's a bad example for the rest of the sheep and might encourage noncompliance. When that happens, you have only to read history to predict the outcome. To believe anything else is to whistle past the graveyard of history.
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This government, at the behest of money and power has pushed WETHEPEOPLE up against a very solid and high wall...do it or be jailed, fined, imprisoned etc...OWS is the prime mover of my thinking here.
If Mr.Vandergoegh feels that governmental pressure and prejudice, as do blacks and hispanics in NYC (and all over this country), and as have those in OWS, and as do those being tossed from their stolen homes etc etc, then I'd project that the govenment is in a very precarious state of overreach...
Remember...DRONES, with tazers, rubber bullets, beanbag bombs, infrared invasive vision et al are NOW PART OF THE LANDSCAPE.
I grew up in the Deep South. I have family in TN, AL, GA, and FL. I'm out here an activist in WA state to insure that I might see old age. But I faced down rubber bullets during WTO, and it's SCARY when the cops watch damage being done and do nothing until the whole peaceful protest is lost only to go in and wreck everything even further. They pepper sprayed an old lady in a wheelchair for Heaven sake! Dick Durbin in April 2009 said that banks run Capitol Hill. Vanderboegh is following down a very eugenics' path which is the antipathy of the Declaration of Independence, but the turn in government policy is definitely troubling on the whole, healthcare mandate or no. Alabama is not a shining beacon of ethics, but to ignore the takeover of the government by a concentrated few is to ignore the real problem. See Thrive, the movie. You'll see what I mean.
Run, don't walk to see the movie, Thrive, What on Earth Will it Take? for free @ www.thrivemovement.com. It's well worth watching.
If the right wants to threaten or act on violence, they'll be arrested and go to jail, just like every other bully and thug.
Barbara K, I read in a brief comment of yours on some other article that your daughter was in Colo Springs...Is she safe, and is her home OK? Sincerely hope so!
Almost a decade after largely disappearing from public view, right-wing militias, ideologically driven tax defiers and sovereign citizens are appearing in large numbers around the country. "Paper terrorism" — the use of property liens and citizens' "courts" to harass enemies — is on the rise. And once-popular militia conspiracy theories are making the rounds again, this time accompanied by nativist theories about secret Mexican plans to "reconquer" the American Southwest.
One law enforcement agency has found 50 new militia training groups — one of them made up of present and former police officers and soldiers.
Authorities around the country are reporting a worrying uptick in Patriot activities and propaganda. "This is the most significant growth we've seen in 10 to 12 years," says one. "All it's lacking is a spark. I think it's only a matter of time before you see threats and violence."
This is a fact, don't take it lightly....
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/splc-report-return-of-the-militias
The fact that they disappeared during george w. bush's "reign of disaster" should tell you one thing: These "troglodytes" are worried about one thing only, and that is Race. They are not concerned about anything else although they usually hide under a cloak of the usual "tax" and and "personal Liberty" issues. They are simply insecure cowardly racists.
Many also see our wars as illegal…and they are!
There is also a new uptick over states rights which the Civil war did not resolve!
There are multiple militias with varied ideological reasons for their existence the fact they are growing should be alarming!
If their Pastors, Preachers, Rabbis were truthful and teach the Word instead of Money, than man/woman would be taught We Are all the Same. Too many do not even realize that without fact of where we are descendants from. Rape of the Wars throughout Europe, Middle East, Africa, Asia could not have not affected blood lines. Most Aristocrats were forking their help, Hordes of Warriors didn't care who they did from Children to Bar Wench. Disease was spread and Babies born, History had proved this time and again.
Then the USA we stole and raped Indian land and women. Indians did the same. Slave Market opened and likewise the men and women of USA bedded down with the members of this new fad. Wars again took men far away, children born, mothers turned out for allowing themselves to get with child.
Then men, perhaps women have bought partners from many Countries/Natio ns as partners. Children are befriending other kids and do not care of race or creed.
Who is it we are going to kill? We are of the world and the world of us. POINT is Man just likes to KILL....Man Likes to Abuse ask animals.
When they have killed us, they will then annihilate themselves, because that thirst will not be statiated
Milita are men and women seeking cause to protect their family, neighbors and country from attack. Normally admirable but then you get that '3%' imbecile who lives in fear, refuses to read and learn, beats the lies into his family. They usually end up dead because their focus is on the wrong target.
Sad how people of color, creed have fought side by side for common good. Taking the beatings of War both mentally and physically....s till come home hating those who covered their back. They should come home and speak the truth, help with awareness but maybe they should not go back if it means living in stupidity. Choices should learn how to make them as they were meant by the Creator...for all.
http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/WW2/US%20apartheid.htm
also read more here
http://www.history.army.mil/books/integration/IAF-02.htm
if that isn't enough try looking up segregation in the military!
There have been people exposed for having arsenals in nice neighborhoods,. ..neighbors were a bit scared of losing their homes due to the extreme having bit too much ammunition about.
Militias are actually a good thing. If something would happen, I would feel glad to have people who have trained, so as to protect the USA from Attack
However, when they start allowing their prejudice, hatred carry the gun instead of sense and sensibility, they are worthless. Many have drinking problems, drug problems and need to hurt someone or something. These are the ones who hurt animals, family members so they should be behind bars with other inmates who believe killing is the answer.
Funny thing about a gun, it is a great tool. It can feed you, be great sport for aiming and shooting events, and nice protection if you know what you are doin.
But most imbeciles with guns Kill innocent people or end up with their guns shooting them. The fact that these imbeciles think it is alright to go into countries and sell guns for profit really are no better than the drug lords destroying our children.
Republicans are not of sound mind so why would anyone who follows them be?
The FBI estimates that there are over 200 million privately-owned firearms in the US. If you add those owned by the military, law enforcement agencies and museums, there is probably about 1 gun per person in the country.
If you want to get a rough idea of how many guns there are out there just look at how many people you see out there then multiply by a factor of estimated ownership. The last best guess was about 350,000,000 Total. That would be 1 weapon for every man woman and child.
The average gun enthusiast owns several firearms which includes pistols, shotguns, and rifles of all makes and models. It is often estimated that about 1 in 4 people 25% of the population own any firearms and on average firearms owners own 4 guns each.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_guns_are_in_the_united_states_of_America#ixzz1zTyiKmL7
NRA National Republican A____holes. Just have to control people, put laws into affect that show them who is boss. Let NRA pump up members and other homeboys hate groups...yep that is what America was built on..
This country was founded by violence it will be resurrected the same way!
When it's time to fight for the country, he was NOT willing to volunteer!
When it's time to save fellow countrymen, he is still NOT there!
When he disagrees on politics, he THREATENS his countrymen.
In essence, the guy is a COWARD how hides behind his keyboard to INCITE others to cause mayhem through vitriolic rhetoric who then washes his hands when some are caught preparing for that.
WE are raised on Religions saying 'Thous Shalt Not Kill" then we expect our children to go off and kill others, children, seniors, and women. It doesnot weight right in their brain...we are having more problems in suicide, violent, after math mental problems. Then we have those who come back and want to Kill and Maime for any reason, anyone, any color....most of them have upbringing that goes with it and Church also.
No Heros anymore....just Choices.
Surely the same people who can afford insurance and don't want to pay for it are the same ones who don't want to use seat belts, don't want to pay liability insurance on their car or pay taxes. In other words anarchists.
And another point I won't use the seat belt. Thankfully my wife also doesn't as she was in a serious accident that if she had been wearing it she would not be here with me now! I pay Taxes and carry a lot of insurance...Do you consider me an anarchrist?
And you're wrong about 51% of the voting public... Poll after poll shows that most people support the law. Which itself is immaterial to the quality of the law, but them's the facts.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/01/obamacare-supreme-court-ruling_n_1641560.html
He doesn't even begin to know what ACA will, or will not, do. Can't he read?
sometimes I think shit like this (both the blog post and reporting of it to the "other side") is part of an agenda to keep the peasants fighting amongst themselves.
He and his ilk remind me of the darker sides of a Huxley novel but are not nearly so subtle nor intriguing.
I think that most of us on RSN are freedom seekers from the Corporate State and I for one will fight as fiercely or more so than these thugs but with different weapons!
And I can just see you with a pitch fork going against a tank! it has happened before!Think Hungary in the 1950's
Hey mate: I'm an old Rugby player and even (shame on me) bar room scrapper betimes, with a nose and broken bits to prove it, and a dad who was a judo and boxing instructor when he was in the British army.
I'm quite aware of the intrusions the government makes in our lives, especially entering the drone era (especially as funded by the CIA "Black Budget").
I just happen to think that a move to the right would hasten the demise of freedoms and armed "citizen militias" would reduce us to even more fragmented warlord status, like Iraq and most of the 'stahns we are still trying to understand and "civilize" according to our atrophied lights, by barbaric and now remote-barbaric means.
D'you think that armed insurrection is a viable alternative to even the militarized cops now in our midst?
I can just see you with your li'l ol' pop-gun, even if it is an AK-47 or whatever the NRA home-based heavy-artillery du jour is, facing the "Darth Vader squads"; you might look to the Mexican Drug cartels on how to really arm their cabals; but perhaps that's y'r dream society?!
B.T.W., if somebody comes up with a drone-dropper weapon, I'd be at the front of the queue. I'd love down a few.
If this country didn't riot in the streets in 2000 when, on a 5-4 decision, they declared George W. Bush the President, then nothing is going to move this society off of their collective fat butts.
Abraham Lincoln
In honor of the day, this quote from Abraham Lincoln defines the purpose of government. He backed up dissension with military might solely to preserve the UNION, not slavery or states rights, as you will discover if you research his writings thoroughly! The country as one was Lincoln's goal!
Where was the armed rebellion when the Supreme Court decided an election between Bush and Gore, a precedent beyond comparison? Because the Republicans won that bout there was no rebellion. Well, the faithful old party, GOP may well incite the ignorant, fearful, and prejudiced to fulfill their purposes. Would these people support President Obama and fight to preserve the Union as Lincoln was supported in his decisions?
3.deligitimizing progressivism? 4.mobiliizing paranoid idiots?
Hardly!
Vanderboegh is shouting down his party!
Strange!
Those who oppose the PP&ACA will overwhelmingly voice their opinion by voting in the election. I cannot for the life of me imagine all those old, white tea partiers getting violent.
Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts
When individuals employed by the public sector decide to obey the commands of their supervisors they do so while unable to distinguish the truth from the false. In a word, they are lackeys and kill upon command. So, there is nothing new here to report.
People want to follow so much easier than actually doing anything
Violent overthrow of the US Govt? CHECK
Threats against elected officials? CHECK
Incitement to riot? CHECK
Terrorist threats? CHECK
The guy is a terrorist and is guilty of treason, high crimes against the government. And he calls himself a patriot?
Here's my solution. Let these idiots hae a state. Hell, I'd even give them a nice one. Let them isolate themselves from normal people and give up all of their rights and privileges, utilities, protections associated with being a part of America. No roads. No phones. Nothing. Then they can be as libertarian as they want, and we won't have to put up with ignorant idiots all the time. THEN build a 100 ft high waterproof wall around them, and fill it up. In the event any of them escape, we can use our 2nd Amendment right to have a militia against the common enemy and we can shoot them. Since they won't have health care, they can all bleed to death and fertilize our crops.
NOTE TO TERRORISTS: Liberals have guns too. If you don't want to abide by the law of the land, the ENTIRE law of the land, get out.
There is a difference for example If I said I will kill someone and named them or identified them, that is a threat that the police can now deal with...
I would however take him seriously!
I am not from the right I am more left and own weapons, I don't see the logic of this comment! And if you are referring to the right as the Klan, you are in real cacophony with realty.
That to me is strange! That isn't being left, that is being foolish!
"If the rule of law no longer protects us from government tyranny, it no longer protects that tyranny and its acolytes from us."
Violence never solved anything it just keeps making everyone need bigger weapons and more violence. I depend on myself.
Now it gets you a string of endorsements with the GOP, a sugar cube and a pat on the head.
May I suggest a donation to the Southern Poverty Law Center.
They are doing an awesome job of identifying and alerting us of paramilitary activities.
I'm not surprised that Faux News is aiding and abetting them–paid interviews to buy more guns for glory.
The result of either will increase the average IQ of the general public.
I mean once the public/single payer options were stripped from the law what we have left will boil down to a windfall for Insurance companies. The only question is what's the scam?
Take compulsory auto insurance: For those who can't afford full coverage, which is a lot of folks, you can opt for what's called in my State "no fault" insurance. There's minimum protection for injured parties and nobody's compensated for loss or serious damage to the vehicle except a lien holding finance company. The driver/owner and insured is strickly on his own.
What we have here is those who claim to be against Obama-care sponsored by those who likewise claim to be opposed but are actually about to laugh all the way to the bank.
In the new political reality, things are not only different from how they appear but often exactly opposite. And in the midst of all this walks a faux patriot waving a gun. He is, of course, playing into the hands of those who would attempt to deprive us of our right to bear arms. If Americans pick up the gun it'd better be worth it, they'd better follow through or else shut the hell up.
Do we have the right to replace our government by force? We do, but all who consider such an option best count the cost; Turmoil, confusion and an uncertain outcome. The 1700's it ain't.
WA Meyers
It's about time someone does something about them!!!!
ONE... RECONCILLIATION .. .Obama-care may die the death of CONGRESS LEGALLY KILLING IT because as a TAX both Houses get a chance to rewrite the bill.
TWO... STATES are allowed to NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM... or didn't you actually read Judge Roberts ruling/ decision?
Three.... What makes anyone WHO KNOWS SOME of the TRUTH about Obama/ Soetoro/ whatever his other names are ... that he will get another four years? Maybe you SHOULD spend a little time trying to fill in the HISTORY BLANKS for BARRY SOETORO who we are not even sure is LEGALLY B.H. Obama and learn the facts for yourself, eh.
As far as ARMED INSURRECTION... . When has the I.R.S. Ever used military style attacks to collect money? The very premise of this article is based upon EUROPEAN and MIDDLE-EAST VIOLENT PROTESTS ... so GET A FREAKING CLUE!
You are being played by a scenario that DOESN"T EXIST! Socialist and Communists do that .. they stir up trouble so they can say it needs a violent response and then they GRAB POWER! Oh that's right ... every evidence points to the Obama Administration being RIFE WITH Communists and Socialist ... my mistake .. forget what I just wrote, put it out of your mind...
one: The bill is already written, passed and signed. No one gets a chance at it unless they pass another bill that "refudiates" it.
two: States are allowed to not participate in the medicaid part of it, not the insurance part. If the states don't set up their own exchanges, the federal government does it for them.
three: the scenario that doesn't exist is the one in your imagination that the most corporate friendly Democratic administration since forever is somehow filled with communists and socialists. Have you noticed the DOW in the last couple years or checked out corporate profits?
By the way, deliberately stirring up trouble is a right wing technique as the arson in the Reichstag by the Nazis, the false flag attack that gave an excuse to invade Poland, and the constant demonization of "the other" by the nativists.
Despite breaking the law, (advocating violence IS a crime, like shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater), the govt won't crack down on these slime-balls--NO T because they have guns (they had guns at Ruby Ridge & Waco too)--but because they serve their fascist masters too well. Like the thugs Mussolini & Hitler used, the fascists will tolerate (Dems) & use (Gops) the actions of such idiots as an excuse to crack down on legitimate dissent (OWS etc). Abortion doc murders, clinic bombings, OK City are a few examples of what these idiots are capable of when tolerated. It can & will happen here if we don't wake up! Is that the Reichstag burning?
Sharshand, Right Wingers are rising up against the Black man in the oval office. They look down on him as a man not worthy of holding the office of President. In their eyes he's still a BOY to be put down at every opportunity. Otherwise, what do you think the "Birther" lie is all about. Any time the Big Birther, Donald Trump, wants to grab the headlines, he goes to this outrageous falsehood. There stands Romney beside him on the stage, and he says nothing in response because he want's the Bloviator's money and endorsement. And why would a GOP congressman, Joe Wilson, feel free to shout out, "You lie" during the President's State of the Union address in the halls of Congress. They hate him, despise him, loathe him because of the color of his skin. They look upon him with scorn and disdain, and they have since his first day in office. What do you think "take back OUR country" means on Jan 20, 2009? While he and the First Lady were making the rounds of inaugural balls, the Regressives were meeting to plot his overthrow. Just last week in discussions about the Fast & Furious program, the IMPEACHMENT word came up again.
Oh, they hate Democrats for sure, but they completely DESPISE our president with a passion because of the hue of his skin.
Vote but look now at how your locals vote, state vote, and federal reps vote. Call them and tell them You do not like their decisions on....Animal rights, Healthcare, Jobs. Do this weekly, reminding them you will be Voting in Nov. Tell them they better help to get Voters ID and do it legally.
You have to make the Changes. Ignoring the ignorant if they want no help in learning. You can share Awareness on many levels. Get committees, communtiy groups together...no name bashing, just healthy discussions. Never hurts to hear how others think and why. If you know why, you can help them learn, let them. After all it is all about Choice. You can know you gave people something to make choices about. I wish you a Great Fourth of July.
It took a lot of different Views, Personalities, Belief in Self to be where we are today. Celebrate Life....
"Chill, folks. All that's going to happen to the people who refuse to get health insurance is that 1) when they go to a doctor, they'll have to pay cash, 2) the fines will be deducted from their tax refunds, and 3) if they don't get refunds, the bills will mount up and they'll be deducted from their social security. This is just a silly little diversion. At least the guy isn't getting paid by Fox anymore.."
my own big time in history was reagan and the air controllers strike. that was the end of the middle class in america. the afl cio did nothing.on that day, america died. the middle class was built on the unions and they and the word liberal became a dirty word. that propaganda has worked for many years. even union memeber in wisconsin voted for walker. insideous and evil. who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? all of this stuff, abortion rights, etc. throws us all off the mark which is the overthrow of the country by the top one percent. they are the traitors. they are the slave makers. global economy does help people out of poverty. so now most of the people on the planet are wage slaves. get used to it. soilent green is not far off....
What half? I'd be surprised if it were half of one percent--of one percent! These people always think they're either the majority or close to it, and they never are.
The Affordable Health Care Act would pay my family $1026/mo to buy health insurance. That's good for me, but it will be another massive transfer of public wealth into private hands because there is no cap on cost of insurance. The difference in cost to the government to pay >$!000/mo to each of the 47,000 uninsured families to line the pockets of for-profit insurance executives vs. Medicare for all where the population will not be mandated to enrich private insurance executives with public funds.
In addition, Justice Roberts opened up a Pandora's box when he stated in his decision that the Federal government could not coerce states to comply with any conditions. Now states will want their interstate highway funds without complying with the speed limit, etc.
So then, what happens when some government mandate or other consitutes a line you're not willing to cross?
Forget appealing to legislators, they're bought and paid for already.
Do you sue? Maybe, but from where I sit there aren't to many judges willing to rock the boat.
So okay, fine... you engage in a bit of self advocacy, find others with similar complaints and do a little peaceful demonstrating, at which point your militarized local police kicks your teeth in and drags you away to the pokey.
Several rather expensive days in court later, there you sit with the same problem, except now you're on probation.
What do you do? Cave in? Cross the line you weren't willing to cross before? What about that next line?
We're the Frogs in the pot on slow boil and the powers that be will likely not be dumb enough to do something to cause us all to be up in arms (so to speak) together. If they do, you can bet they're prepared to deal with the backlash.
So, here we sit, the most heavily armed National populace on the planet and it's likely that it will provide little protection from the creeping tyranny besetting us.
So goodbye American Dream... not with a bang, but with a whimper.
Our forefathers are not just turning over in their graves, they're spinning like lathes.
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