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McGreal reports: "The Pentagon said it is attempting to identify the soldiers responsible for the latest in a series of abuses by US forces which is likely to further inflame hostility to Nato troops in Afghanistan and reinforce the perception that there is an institutional problem in the American military."

A video anonymously posted on the web allegedly shows American forces in Afghanistan urinating on the bodies of dead Taliban fighters. (photo: Reuters)
A video anonymously posted on the web allegedly shows American forces in Afghanistan urinating on the bodies of dead Taliban fighters. (photo: Reuters)

A Video of US Marines Urinating on Corpses Sparks Outrage

By Chris McGreal, Guardian UK

12 January 12



fghan president Hamid Karzai and US defence secretary Leon Panetta have led a chorus of condemnation of American soldiers filmed urinating on the bodies of dead Afghans as "inhumane" and "utterly deplorable".

The Pentagon said it is attempting to identify the soldiers responsible for the latest in a series of abuses by US forces which is likely to further inflame hostility to Nato troops in Afghanistan and reinforce the perception that there is an institutional problem in the American military.

Panetta said he had viewed the graphic video of four US marines urinating on three bloodied corpses. As they are filmed by a fifth soldier, the marines sigh with relief, laugh and make comments including "have a great day, buddy" and "golden, like a shower".

"I have seen the footage, and I find the behaviour depicted in it utterly deplorable," said Panetta. "Those found to have engaged in such conduct will be held accountable to the fullest extent."

The soldiers in the undated video, which was posted anonymously on the web, appear to be members of Scout Sniper Team 4, a US marine unit based in North Carolina that served in Afghanistan as recently as last year.

It is not clear who the dead Afghans are. They are possibly Taliban fighters but their corpses are not shown with weapons.

Karzai said in a statement that he was "deeply disturbed" by the desecration of dead bodies which is defined as a war crime by the Geneva conventions.

"This act by American soldiers is completely inhumane and condemnable in the strongest possible terms. We expressly ask the US government to urgently investigate the video and apply the most severe punishment to anyone found guilty in this crime," he said.

The Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) said it "strongly condemns the actions depicted in the video, which appear to have been conducted by a small group of US individuals, who apparently are no longer serving in Afghanistan".

"This disrespectful act is inexplicable and not in keeping with the high moral standards we expect of coalition forces," it said.

John McCain, a navy veteran and the leading Republican on the US senate's armed services committee, said the video "makes me so sad".

"There should be an investigation and these young people should be punished," he said.

A leading negotiator in Karzai's peace council, Arsala Rahmani, said that the film will have a "very, very bad impact on peace efforts".

"Looking at such action, the Taliban can easily recruit young people and tell them that their country has been attacked by Christians and Jews and they must defend it," he said.

But the Taliban, while criticising the actions of the marines as "shameful", said the latest revelations of abuse by US forces will not block attempts to get talks started to bring an end to the Afghan conflict.

A Taliban spokesman, Qari Yousuf Ahmadi, told the BBC that it is not the first time Americans had carried out such a "wild action". But another different Taliban spokesman, Zabihullah Mujahid, said the video "is not a political process, so the video will not harm our talks and prisoner exchange because they are at the preliminary stage".

The exposure of the video, widely viewed on the web, comes as the Obama administration attempts to begin peace talks with the Taliban before the US begins to withdraw its forces from Afghanistan.

Marc Grossman, the White House special representative, will meet Karzai in Kabul this weekend as well as officials in Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

Last week, the Taliban announced it would to set up a political office in Qatar which appears to be an important step toward negotiations. Washington is considering reciprocating by releasing several Taliban prisoners from the Guantanamo jail as a confidence-building measure.

While the latest revelation of abuses does not appear likely to derail the latest peace effort it again raises questions about whether there is a culture of abuse in US forces serving in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Last year, 11 soldiers were convicted over the murders of three Afghan civilians by a "kill squad" and the subsequent cover up. It was revealed that some of them collected body parts, including fingers and skull parts, as trophies, and posed for photographs over the corpses of their victims.

This week, a US marine went on trial over the killing of 24 Iraqis, including women and children, in their homes. Staff Sergeant Frank Wuterich faces charges of manslaughter over the killings as he commanded a group of soldiers who burst into the victims' homes in Haditha in search of combatants. Seven other soldiers also charged were either acquitted or had the case against them dropped.

The US military is also still grappling with the legacy of the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, and its role in the torture of alleged terrorists. your social media marketing partner


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-65 # brenda 2012-01-12 12:37
I'm not here to exhonorate these Marines, but what about the several videos that Al Jazzera transmitted of US GI's getting their heads decapitated by some Haji with a sword. That's OK, I guess. Soldiers are only human beings that will react unfavorably when they're in some asshole of the world location and see their buddies blown blown to bits by roadside bombs and suicide bombers. I see the grave markers of marines with their rifle jammed into the ground with his helmit on top and his boots on the ground next to the rifle, and think that's sombodys father, husband, or son who died. A mimento of what can happen when they're deployed in a caustic war zone.
+74 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 14:34
Let's take apart some of your logic, ok?

"some Haji" doesn't show a lot of respect, does it? Bin Laden is dead. "some Haji" may be some 12 year old kid, whose entire life has been lived under an American gun. "Some Haji" could be an 80 year old lady, whose only crime was having been born "a Haji".

Speaking of roadside bombs and suicide bombers, I'm sure if they had the kinds of weapons our military has they'd use them. Instead, they use what they have. It's almost as if they're willing to die to get us out of there. Remember when we pontificated about "being the liberators"? Clearly, you don't think a bunch of "Hajis" deserve liberation, or even human dignity, do you?

Maybe an "asshole of the world" is just a crater from an unbeliebably HUGE bomb, sent by someone who "just hates Hajis".
-9 # RLF 2012-01-13 06:33
I don't respect these fundamentalist any more than I respect fundamentalist of any stripe...Christ ian or Jew included. Our soldiers should show them the same respect they show for us...
+17 # Billy Bob 2012-01-13 09:04
Here again, you can't cure fundamentalist barbarism by acting like a more powerful fundamentalist barbarian.
+22 # michelle 2012-01-13 13:42
" Our soldiers should show them the same respect they show for us."
A recruiter called this morning hoping to catch my college age daughter in his net. I told him we were pacifists and unwilling to support illegal wars or war in general. He wanted to know what religion 'pacifist' was. Jeez, what a brain. He became rude, demanding to talk to her and I asked him to place this number on his do not call list. He became angry and well let's stick with rude. I asked to speak to the officer in charge with the intention of complaining. He informed me there was no officer in charge, he was in charge. When I requested his name he replied it was 'soldier, citizen soldier and I needed to remember that.' Let's talk about respect if my encounter is any measure of respect the armed forces have for it's citizens. Don't think for a moment the US military would treat American citizens any differently. They are pumped up on this 'hero' business and feel it gives them license to do what ever they feel is right. I find today's military a scary bunch, at home and abroad.
+7 # Billy Bob 2012-01-13 18:26
Thanks for the insight michelle. I wonder if RLF has as much respect for the military as it obvious has for the rest of us.
+8 # michelle 2012-01-14 13:21
Surprisingly most parents don't know that part of the No Child Left Behind legislation included a provision requiring high schools to give all personal information (name, phone, age etc.) of their students to the military for recruiters. Parents can opt out but it is a tedious process fraught with paperwork. These vultures patrol the halls of high schools especially low income schools. A friend teaching ESL (English as a second language) classes says recruiters take advantage of students and parents with limited English.
+28 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 14:42
In other words, if that "Haji" was YOUR brother, or YOUR father, or YOUR husband, or YOUR son, you might feel differently about him being shot dead in front of YOUR house and pissed on for YouTube by a bunch of cackling lunatics.

Then again, maybe you'd apologize for being a "Haji" in your own country and just kill yourself to save American amunition and urine.
-28 # RLF 2012-01-13 06:34
They brought the war to us...this is war and it is ugly! Get over it.
+19 # Billy Bob 2012-01-13 08:29
Who's "they"?

Are you refering to the 19 guys from Saudi Arabia funded by the Saudi Arabian royal family, or are you refering to the Saudi Arab (bin laden) we already assasinated?

No, what brought the war to us was all that mineral wealth. Not a bunch of civilians who have absolutely no control over their fate.

We've lost the moral authority to act like victims any more! Get over it.
+20 # John Locke 2012-01-13 10:15
RLF: who brought a war to us? the World Trade Centers were "allegedly" taken down by pilots who were ALL "Saudi nationals", where was there even one Afghanistani among them...and open your eyes, this "War" was contrived, Read the war plan from 1999 by the PNAC thats Project for a New American Century- they even attempted to get Clinton to invade Iraq and he refused... i know how hard it is to swallow that purple pill... because once you stop accepting the government propaganda reality seeps in...
0 # Anarchist 23 2012-01-15 16:09
Quoting RLF:
They brought the war to us...this is war and it is ugly! Get over it.

So you really believe that some guy in a cave with a few laptops and some disposable cell phones could do all that-including melting 100,000 tons of steel in each tower with jet grade kerosene? Be very very afraid then, because in that case we are dealing with very powerful evil magicians against whom bullets and urine won't work.
+45 # Peace Anonymous 2012-01-12 14:54
Brenda our claim has always been we hold the moral high ground. We respect women and don't treat them like beasts of burden. We don't cut people's heads off. We send out drones and drop bombs that wipe out complete villages. My Afghan friends are some of the most respectful people you will ever meet. None of these guys in this video will be a friend. If you have issues because of those Americans who have died in battle in Afghanistan perhaps you should take that up with some guys in Washington.
-11 # RLF 2012-01-13 06:35
I have a problem with all of the people that died in MY neighborhood.
+13 # Billy Bob 2012-01-13 08:30
So your solution is to kill and torture as many people as possible who had nothing to do with it?
+7 # John Locke 2012-01-13 10:19
RLF: Is this Robert Eagle using a different ID here, now i wonder why you would have a problem with people who are no longer alive?

Setting that aside if you are not robert, and you also lost a lot of friends, on 9-11 then the government count must be very skewed showing less people actually killed on 9-11, and that would not surprise me either...
+50 # PhilO 2012-01-12 14:58
Isn't the real problem that we put heavily armed kids (and really, isn't an 18 year old still just a kid?!) in TREMENDOUSLY stressful and dangerous circumstances. But, before we do that we teach them how to kill... and anyone who can point a gun and pull the trigger has to stop seeing "the other" as a person. The only way to do that is to instill "dehumanizing hate".

So, having been programmed to hate, being placed in a horrible set of stressful and dangerous circumstances, and facing 'the enemy', isn't urinating on them entirely predictable? After all, they had to kill them first... and isn't killing as deplorable as defiling their corpses?

I have met the enemy, and it is us.

[Not for nothing, but... don't forget that Timothy McVey came to same conclusion, and he was 'trained' (brainwashed?!) to dehumanize then kill his enemies. Of course, I would never act in the way that he did, and neither would the vast majority of people. But what about the thousands of American kids once they come home? What kind of support are we providing them? PTSD can manifest itself in many ways, and I fear for the safety of our veterans and their families, friends and communities. ]
+24 # David Starr 2012-01-12 15:44
Well, it's nice that you're not here to "exhonorate" these sadistic assholes. But for now I'm skeptical about your "moralistic" claim that some "Haji" decapitated U.S. GIs. Further you go to use a typical B/W scenario of implying that ALL U.S. troops are "heroes," "pure" & generally "innocent"; although there are those in combat situations who understanbly become stressed & traumatized; but that's more to the point when they realize that what they've been fighting for is usually bullshit, i.e., imperialism/an ultranationlist kind of patriotism. What is also typical about your post is that you grossly omit/ignore who bore the brunt of ,e.g., the Iraq War: The Iraqi population itself w/ a little over 1 million dead, about 5 million refugees & such a level of trauma among the population that many U.S. citizens cannot comprehend, even U.S. troops. But out of sight out of mind. I'm sometimes amazed at how deep the denial is among U.S. ultranationalis ts (I'm not neccessarily assuming you are one)in its irrationality, hypocrisy & degree of cowardice; espcially given the obvious historical pattern of U.S. imperial foreign policy. I could cite , e.g., attitudes regarding the Philippine-Amer ican War during the turn of the last century. A similar scenario subsequently repeating similar scenarios up to the present.
+9 # Doubter 2012-01-12 17:22
"institutional problem"
Stay out of the hands of institutions! (as much and as long as you can)
I'm still waiting for the "Peace Dividend."
The peace dividend is a political slogan popularized by US President George H.W. Bush and UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in the early 1990s, purporting to describe the economic benefit of a decrease in defense spending. It is used primarily in discussions relating to the guns versus butter theory. The term was frequently used at the end of the Cold War, when many Western nations significantly cut military spending.
+2 # Pickwicky 2012-01-15 19:07
David Starr--not only do soldiers in combat become "stressed and traumatized" and come to realize that the war they're fighting is BS, but it's also true that a percentage of those who enlist possess aggresive, hostile, even sociopathic personalities.
+1 # David Starr 2012-01-16 14:33
I do agree with that. And complementing the pathological personality are the supremacy myths characterizing U.S. empire.
+29 # David Starr 2012-01-12 15:58
"Soldiers are only human beings that will react unfavorably when they're in some asshole of the world location and see their buddies blown blown to bits by roadside bombs and suicide bombers. I see the grave markers of marines with their rifle jammed into the ground with his helmit on top and his boots on the ground next to the rifle, and think that's sombodys father, husband, or son who died."

Well, Iraqi civilians, & Iraqis who fought against the U.S. war are only human beings who I'm sure reacted unfavorably when friends &/or relaitves were blown to bits by U.S. bombs/missiles, & thus having their father, son or husband who died. I'm sure you have enough common sense to realize that the U.S. arsenal, w/ its fuel-air bombs, cluster bombs, depleted uranium, white phosphorus, naplam, etc. produced a wider path of destruction than roadside bombs & suicide bombers.
+34 # punk 2012-01-12 16:16
i see the world SO differently than you, but i would rather have dialog with you instead of talk to people who think like i do. i almost dont know where to begin to tell you the many ways this pissing incident makes me iNSaNe. i guess i'll just begin my rant anywhere-
i'll start with your question. the alQ decapitations seems marginally less depraved to me. the only 2 beheadings i know of, berg and pearl, were done in revenge of atrocities. they killed them by sword, and that was the end of it. as horrendous as it was, they did not degrade ALREADY DEAD bodies and joke about golden showers and laugh over the incident. berg and pearl were treated with resect and seriousness compared to the humiliation and degradation of this incredibly animal like behavior. they see it like a JOKE! at least alQ takes it seriously. [it it particularly disgusting to muz. they r very 'hyper' about piss.] this was such a cowardly, juvenile, unnecessary, ANIMAL act. then the morons film it [for the fun of passing it around and laughing with their buddies later, no doubt] they make all americans look like... -words fail me. this seems so symbolic of america pissing on the world. how many of these incidents occur and never come to light? and when they do, and there are criminal charges, they are dropped, or dismissed, or they get a nothing sentence. we are in THEIR countries.
+4 # Rick Levy 2012-01-12 19:49
"...they did not degrade ALREADY DEAD bodies and joke about golden showers and laugh over the incident."

How do you know that? And even if that didn't happen, how "respectful" is it to kill innocent civilians in "revenge"?
+4 # Billy Bob 2012-01-13 09:39
You're right.

Still we DO know that these were purely religious lunatic assholes committing these crimes. They committed them for religious reasons. As evil as the people who committed those acts are, it's just not part of their m.o. to desecrate the body afterward in that way. If anything, they're anal retentive about body functions as much as they are about women's rights. Regardless of their obvious barbarism, they actually believe they're the civilized ones. There AREN'T any purely good guys or civilized parties involved in this mess.

That's the real shame. We HAD the moral authority at first and we squandered it.
+25 # punk 2012-01-12 16:20
Part 2 americans seem to forget that. they didnt invade us. they [alQ]did bomb us in 9/11, but that again was in retaliation for what they see as 50 years of america pissing all over them and killing them too and a whole slew of reasonable gripes they have with america that america never addresses. i see 9/11 as an inevitable consequence of america pissing on them. i see their decaptitions as a consequence of the invasions and the many civilian atrocities. we reigned pure horror on iraq and afghanistan. and now we are going to piss on iran. more marines will have fun whipping it out and pissing on iranians who will surely fight back and then we will blame them when they kill the invaders.
they disgraced the whole country with their piss and their jokes.
and these were taliban, not alQ. these r the people that the usa has been trying to negotiate with for the last year. they finally seem to be getting negotiations started, and these jerks pissed all over it.
if u are going to kill in war, u just kill. the taliban r soldiers fighting for what they believe is right just like our soldiers. they are fighting to take back their own country. a soldier should treat another soldier with a modicum of respect. the pissing, while not as bad as abu ghraib and bagram, etc etc recalls all that sick behavior. it recalls every insult and degradation inflicted on all the 75% acknowledged INNOCENT detainees.
+36 # punk 2012-01-12 16:21
Part 3 -it further makes all america a horrible joke when we boast about what a brave great society we are and how civilized compared to those 'barbaric 7th c pedophile wordhipping sand niggers'.
and the comments from americans on youtube! they are along the lines of, 'booyah. they should have pulled down their pants and shat in the rag head's face. way to go, marines. USA,USA'
next stop-iran. this is only a bump in the road that smells like a sewer from all america's piss filled sewers.
those places were not 'assholes of the world' until america got there. iraq was beautiful. iran is beautiful. a/stan was once full of people who really liked and admired americans. we destroyed their countries and their lives and killed and starved and maimed their kids. it is going to take an outside force to stop america. i expect that well deserved day to come. american soldiers go there by choice. these people have no choice. i feel very little regret when a soldier dies in someone else's country. they went there to kill. they knew the risk and they had a choice.
thanks for listening, brenda. i was probably very incoherent. i am horrified. its not just the piss. its the whole thing.
+11 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 17:40
Great comments, but I doubt she listened.
+16 # Activista 2012-01-12 18:06
punk - agree - and we have to stress the reaction of Americans in social media - especially other soldiers - is quite sadistic.
Just imagine these "heroes" are coming home and will be "pissing" on our children protesting the regime here.
+26 # geraldom 2012-01-12 16:28
Your logic can be extended to the point that it's okay & fully understandable for U.S. soldiers to take out their frustrations & vengeance on innocent people, men, women & (especially) children, because they've no one else to hit back at. The Nazis did that very same thing a lot during WWII. If any of their soldiers were killed by patriots fighting in their own country to rid themselves of an illegal occupying force, the Nazis would wreak vengeance on the innocent by murdering perhaps 10 innocent people for any soldier that was killed. But, it's okay when U.S. soldiers do that because they're U.S. soldiers and they're only killing Hajis, people who have very little human value when compared to us Americans.

I personally believe, beyond the shadow of any doubt, that 9/11 was an inside job by Bush & Cheney to give them the political capital to be able to invade any country they so desired & to destroy our democracy & our Constitution in the process, & they succeeded beyond their widest dreams thanks to fools who actually believed the fable they told.

We illegally invaded Afghanistan & Iraq for the purpose of world empire. Google PNAC. We are in their country, not ours. These men that lay dead on the ground being urinated on by foreign soldiers were simply fighting rid their land of an illegal foreign occupation. If the situation were reversed & we were invaded by a foreign power, we would do exactly what these dead Taliban were doing.
+19 # punk 2012-01-12 17:11
afghans and iraqis have had to scrape bits of their kids off the walls, ground, trees to give these last pieces of their children a burial. i expect THEM to act unfavorably when invaders come in and turn their dead bodies into a toilet.
+13 # Interested Observer 2012-01-12 17:27
Everywhere I look there are dozens of these posts. All seem to miss the point that we are not them. Acting like them is both wrong, immoral and plain stupid.

If this video provokes one more casualty than would have happened without it, that blood is on the hands of those participating in this video, authentic or fake does not matter. If authentic, then these fools have harmed their own, and should be dealt with accordingly.
+1 # jimyoung 2012-01-15 18:11
Interested Observer, I couldn’t agree more. I spent a year in Vietnam, motivated to enlist and “to see for myself” after Dickie Chappell’s 1964 National Geographics article. I went with an open mind and tried to explain what I’d seen to some who seemed to just blindly hate all Vietnamese. One Veteran friend who returned in 1971 seemed to particularly hate them so I finally asked why. He told us he hadn’t hated them until just after he got in country and was riding in the back of a truck, just coming to the first village along QL1 A out of a mountain pass. He started to wave to children standing on the side of the road, but they threw rocks at him. The story chilled me to the bone since I’d heard another story of a classmate going through the same village 6 years earlier (described as near the “Street Without Joy” area) from the classmate who’d arrived with the first Marine landing, introducing combat troops into Vietnam on March 8, 1965. He’d bragged about he and his friends showing friendly kids cans of food, but then throwing the cans and anything else they could at the kids. I’ve always wondered how many of the guys that followed paid the price for the foolishness of the first that arrived. These were somewhat tame incidents in the same place , but the ill will generated may have needlessly caused far more than a few bruises.
+21 # geraldom 2012-01-12 17:39
What I find extremely humorous is the bunk that the defense dept puts out that our soldiers are trained to act responsibly, ethically, & morally. They're trained to be killers. They're trained to hate and despise the very people that they are supposed to fight in order to be good soldiers & warriors. Remorse & regret are trained out of them so that when they're put into a war zone they're able to do their primary job, to kill the enemy & do it proudly & with conviction.

Even tho it doesn't work in reality, U.S. soldiers have the legal & moral right to refuse an order if they feel that it is illegal & immoral. But, that rarely happens. The invasion of Iraq was outright illegal & based on known lies by the Bush admin. Theoretically speaking, every soldier that was ordered to Iraq had the legal right to refuse that order & that's what they should have done.

Well over 2 million Iraqi men, women, & children are now dead & well over 5 million displaced, homeless & countryless. A whole society & an ancient culture destroyed in the process. Bush & Cheney should be arrested, tried & punished for causing the needless deaths of more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein is guilty of. How many innocent Afghans will have to die or be made homeless or countryless before the U.S. is done in Afghanistan? And, as long as Obama continues these illegal wars of aggression & these illegal prisons thru-out the world, he's no less guilty than Bush & Cheney.
+2 # 2012-01-14 15:27
This point is vital. Remember, the Nuremberg trials prosecuted the low-level Nazis, but the high-level Nazis were brought to the United States and helped us land men on the moon.
0 # Alexis Fecteau 2012-01-12 22:08
Now here's a woman who deserves the same treatment these Afghan citizens received. Defending war criminals, probably also defended the previous war criminal and deserter in chief.
+6 # Painter 2012-01-13 02:59
I find Brenda'a comments understandable and sincere. Her failure to express "perfect empathy" is well, if somewhat harshly, addressed in many comments that follow hers. I find this one of the best series of comments ever.

I have an East Indian friend who is FURIOUS at what she experiences (in the US)as a progressive media and progressive pundits who see OUR casualties and suffering as of unique importance, while the deaths and pain of others is of little interest or concern. I believe many of the comments here are evidence that we, at least, do not feel things that way.

It will be a pity, at least for us, if we do not right ourselves, do not regain (or achieve, perhaps for the first time?) some basically moral, unhypocritical posture, both here and at home. It's hard to believe there is not a majority of basically good, thinking and feeling people in this country. And if there are, it makes you wonder why our nation doesn't reflect it.
+3 # 2012-01-14 15:20
The mistake this reader makes, like so many others, is to set the bar of "our" behavior by comparing it to the worst of "their" behaviors. This is botched ethical logic, because if "so-and-so" dishonors or disrespects another, we use it as overt justification to retaliate in kind. By this logic, the Geneva Convention, the Bill of Rights, or for that reason The New Testament of the Bible and Christianity would never have been written, because our ethical logic would have remained "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."
+33 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 12:37
It's not just that they pissed all over the dead bodies of people who were probably innocent of any wrongdoing...

It's not just that they pissed all over the corpses of people, who, even if they had bothered to fight back when they were alive, are nothing more than citizens of a foreign country where we don't belong in the first place.

It's not just that.

It's that they showed LITERALLY what the military thinks of EVERYTHING our country claims to stand for.

You know, naziism was and still is completely evil. Hitler is, I'm sure, occupying a special spot right now, being pissed on by Satan,

STILL, the attrocities of the nazi empire didn't seem to PERMEATE EVERY FIBER of nazi soldiers with a PUTRESCENT ODOR of ABSOLUTE SLIMY IMMORAL BARBARISM the way OUR VERY OWN military has, to "our" "soldiers".

Remember the YouTube video of the "soldier" torturing puppies? Remember the Rolling Stone article on the all-pervasive nature of the "trophy hunting" attitude?


+30 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 12:38

The criminal behavior is already spilling over and spilling blood in our own country. Just think about the military grade psychopath who went on a killing rampage JUST LAST WEEK!

Meanwhile, the Pentagon keeps pouring millions in OUR TAX DOLLARS into, what I call the "WAR PORN" industry.

Our parents and grandparents fought in MUCH TOUGHER wars, but tried to maintain their humanity.

Our generation has pissed all over that concept.

RSN, If you don't like my free use of the word, "PISS", don't print stories with "PISS" as the main character.
+16 # John Locke 2012-01-12 16:58
Billy Bob: Human beings are not meant to kill other Human beeings unless they are psychopathic to begin with, but our desperate military lowered its standards to get more people to enlist and they accepted high school drop outs and ex felons, "low intelligence" "low IQ", these are the same psycotic military forces that will be deployed on the streets of America to put down the Occupy movement and any other protest movement thanks to Obama and his homeland defense bill, These morans and there are alot of them in the military are so gung ho, turn them loose in America and watch the slaughter begin...a side note its not all of them but enough of them to be concerned ...
+9 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 19:51
I agree.

Another side note: I have a cousin who's one of these very assholes. Trust me, he's not an idiot. He's a squandered wasted lazy mind who had the natural gift of intelligence to be a decent human being, but joined the military to help with his alcoholism from too much partying.

The last I heard from him, he couldn't wait to get over there and start killin' some "Hajis". Can't let all that trainin' go to waste. I don't think he quit drinking either.
+8 # geraldom 2012-01-12 21:16
This is also the same military that will protect our tyrannical govt when the American people finally wake up to what's really going on and rise up against what this country is quickly becoming, a fascist state.

What I find ironic is that when any politician is sworn into office, or when any soldier is sworn into the service, or when a police officer or any law enforcement officer is sworn in, they pledge to protect and uphold the U.S. Constitution. The oath doesn't say that they will protect and uphold our govt. It only mentions the Constitution. But, it seems that the people who take this oath of office, especially our representatives in Washington and our president, always seem to miss that particular juncture in the oath.

If the militarized police in this nation are willing to act like Nazi stormtroopers as they did when they violently put down the peaceful protests in the street as if they were automatons, robots without any feelings or remorse or regret, then imagine what our soldiers would be willing to do to the American people if we rise up against what is quickly becoming a tyrannical government, not just in Washington, but in many of our states as well.

The state national guards have been trained very much like the regular soldiers in our military. They will obey almost any order given to them, even an order to kill their own people if necessary to put down a necessary rebellion. Remember Kent State on May 4th, 1970.
+5 # John Locke 2012-01-13 09:15
Harold R. Mencher: The constitution is our government, we "elect" people under it, to uphold and defend it just like monarchs take an oath to a king, our problem is we have these secret societies where blood oaths come first and NO other oath is acknowledged, I am speaking of leaders not the military followers who have individual issues Like Billy Bob says about his cousin who can't wait to get over there and kill... this character and those like him make up a larger percentage of the military then we would like to admit...and don't forget Jackson State just a couple of months later that same year...
+1 # Billy Bob 2012-01-13 18:29
The Constitution is everything. It's our country more than anything else. Our government is made up of temporary employees whose job it is to defend that Constitution. If they try to undermine it, their objectives are, by definition, UnAmerican.
+3 # geraldom 2012-01-13 20:06
Yes, I forgot about Jackson State. My main point in my posting is what the American people, the civilian population, will have to face if, at some point in time, it decided to rise up against what is turning out to be a tyrannical govt in Washington & in more & more of the states.

One might argue that since we vote our representatives into office, that if they turn on us, as they seem to have done, that we may not have any moral right to even consider a revolution in this country since we would be expected to accept the responsibility of putting them in office in the 1st place, that if we don't like what they're doing, to simply vote them out of office. What we really need in this country is the ability to recall our national leaders like we can recall our local state leaders without having to wait until the next election.

There are several problems that we face today. One of the problems has always existed and has been exacerbated by the "Citizens United" decision. It's how easy it is for political ads that are deceptive & contain false innuendos, & lies, to influence voters. But, the problem that has really hammered the final nail into the coffin of Democracy in this country has become the required (by law) national use in all 50 states of these fraudulent & unverifiable e-voting machines produced & manufactured primarily by companies that favor the Republican Party.

There is no real legal recourse for us to get out of this mess.
+1 # John Locke 2012-01-13 23:34
Harold R. Mencher: at least two points you raise I felt I should respond to..., Unfortunately members of congress are not subject to recall, Expulsion yes but that is by the other members of congress ... so there is nothing we can do once someone is elected to office even if he is intent to destroy the Country, like the Norquest Republicans.... the other point which is even more serious is the diabold voting machines, and the other similar machines, they have been shown to be easily tampered with by programming and allow vote switching, in many cases they actually show more votes cast than voters...I have been amazed that the Democrate have not addressed the problem, and I still wonder why they don't?
+2 # geraldom 2012-01-14 09:23
I have wondered about that myself ever since Obama and Democrats won strong control of the Congress in January of 2009.

I have mentioned in many of my postings that Obama and the Democrats, when they had very strong control of Congress in January of 2009, should have killed the filibuster in the Senate by the use of the nuclear option, especially after Mitch McConnell's threat to do everything in his power to make Obama a one-term president, and then immediately repeal HAVA, the Help America Vote Act and to require that all elections, both state and national, with absolutely no exceptions, use paper ballots that will be counted by hand, and that will be strictly controlled and monitored all the way from the voting precinct to when the ballots are actually hand counted. No more surprises. The use of e-voting machines should have been completely outlawed.

In any case, I guess that we're all screwed.
+2 # Glen 2012-01-13 16:25
John, I understand your thinking, but human beings have been killing each other for centuries. Human beings may have not been meant to kill other human beings, but I'm not certain where that logic arises. Parents must train children away from reaction and potential attacks on other children. With no training human beings can be violent and brutal beginning at an early age. Go back through history and you will see that the violence we are experiencing today is nothing new. The good guys have always been battling the bad guys and attempting to stop the violence.
+2 # Billy Bob 2012-01-13 18:35
Glen, I think you're both right. Our closest genetic relatives are chimpanzees and they're pretty murderous, tribal and turf conscious.

Also, in the name of "pacifism" it's pretty easy to just lay down and let people dominate you. Of course I'm not worried about our country being taken over by al qaida. That's a right-wing lunatic fantasy, and an excuse to run roughshot. But who will defend us against the right, if the left is unwilling to fight? There ARE good guys and bad guys in the world, just as you said. Right now, I don't see any evidence of "good guys" in the Middle-East, and that's the problem.

Still, I think John was refering to what humans were "MEANT" to be, as-in their higher selves. I agree with that too. We can be just as cruel and violent as chimps, but when we do it, are we really being human at all?
+2 # John Locke 2012-01-13 23:20
Glen: there have been throughout history men that were "psychotic" emotionally disturbed, or more correctly emotionally impaired, who would kill and rape, they are not the norm, if they were we could never have any form of civilized society ..., a normal Human with emotions and intellect would have nightmares over the killing, even if it were justified, what the military does is desensitize men to kill by dehuminizing the enemy, but once you look the man you killed in the eye, I believe, all that goes out the window ... And Billy Bob yes you are right about what i was attempting to say here... and i would add that our children are being desensitized to kill by virtue of many of these so called video games, and if I am right we will see an esculation of violence, but the issue is will that be directed against us through the military...
0 # Glen 2012-01-15 11:56
What human beings are meant to be is not facing what they actually are. Not all humans that start wars, kill someone or anything related are psychotic according to definition.

Children are trained to be what we are. They are not born with a sense of the 10 commandments, manners, a conscience, and they do not learn to love and extend affection unless they have experienced that through the adults around them. If left to their own growth, without training, there would be killers and lovers and all manner erratic behavior. The human brain must be trained. Why do you think religious groups spend so much time brain washing their children.

Human beings can be desensitized, as well, and misguided, right from birth. The behavior of the soldiers urinating on the dead is the perfect example of even adults succumbing to behavior changes due to the brain being affected by their situation and training.
+47 # Cactusman 2012-01-12 12:41
This is stupid behavior by the troops. It will only perpetuate the problems that we are ostensibly "there to solve".

But I wonder why it is a crime to desecrate corpses, but not to create them in the first place?

While irresponsible and dumb on behalf of the young troops depicted, this raises large institutional questions on the real agitators and funders of warfare. As always the low-level lackeys who do the dirtiest work are left with the suffering, stress, and damage that manifests itself in peeing on the dead bodies of your "enemies". They will receive the blame, but not the entities that put them there in the first place.

When will we do better?
+12 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 14:38
It's not a crime unless someone is actually convicted of it. Believe me, this won't be looked back on as a "crime".

It's not a war crime to engage in war itself, but it certainly is a crime against humanity to engage in any behavior meant to humiliate, degrade and dehumanize your enemy in a way that has nothing to do with a "mission" (no matter how immoral that mission was to start with), but has to do with exercising dominance for the sake of dominance.

Naturally, anyone who takes the concept of "war crimes" seriously, has to be lawyerly about it and leave no loopholes behind.
+8 # John Locke 2012-01-12 17:00
Billy Bob: Just like Bush and Cheney right?
+6 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 19:53
Bush and Cheney didn't believe in the concept of war crimes. They only believed in committing them.

Obama believes in being President. I don't think he had a contingency plan for what he'd do if he were ever elected. He just wants to make his friends happy. Unfortunately, he doesn't have any friends who'd complain about more attrocities.
+25 # Erdajean 2012-01-12 12:42
Symbolic of the US attitude in being there in the first place. What had these dead people -- armed or not -- done to us in the first place? Why were we EVER there -- except to cover Big Oil? Bin Laden? What did he REALLY do? Probably not what we've been told -- and truth or lie, the guy is dead anyway. We go where we please, and treat people like dirt. Like we are too special for any consequence. Well, whaddaya know -- we are not.
This kind of offense against all that is decent and holy has killed this country. Now what do we expect?
+11 # John Locke 2012-01-12 17:05
Erdajean: Very good point, we INVADED Afghanistan for an oil pipeling for Unicol, and if you take a real look at the Twin Towers that were brought down on 9-11 the propaganda put out by the government doesn't hold water, one building not even hit collapsed, and oh yes lets mention that (3) passports of (3) of the alleged hijackers from Saudi Arabia just happened to be found laying on top of the rubble perfectly intact while everything else had been turned to duct...
+17 # AndreM5 2012-01-12 12:43
The emphasis here is the "war crimes" conducted in Afhanistan. If true to form, this one may be prosecuted on the lowest level soldiers without proscuting the obvious highest level crimes that are so well documented.
+12 # usedtobesupermom 2012-01-12 12:51
Who are the terrorists? Horrible is an understatement!
+15 # punk 2012-01-12 12:53
i've just been reading about a massacre in Haditha. about 20 unarmed civilians, including 7 children were killed. i think 8 marines were charged and 7 got the charges dropped or were acquitted of any crime. the last one is expecting to be acquitted soon. there was another 'pissing' event at Haditha.
if u go to youtube and look at the comments, americans are not just supporting, but wildly enthusiastic about the marines behavior.
soon the marines will be pissing on dead iranians. are we helpless to stop it?
+14 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 15:10
Soon they'll be pissing on dead Americans right here in our own country if we don't stop their unchecked obscene power.
+11 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 15:29
Also, about Americans "wildly supporting" this, remember the Pentagon has another army of psy-ops trolls whose sole purpose is to comment on sites like YouTube to skew the perception of popular opinion their way. This is TOXIC news to them and their agenda. All of that mineral wealth hasn't been extracted yet. They're not about to let us get all mamby pamby and bleedy-hearty over a small matter like war crimes. They'll make damn sure the public perception never gets too far out of hand the way it did with Vietnam. You'll notice, they never seem so PISSED off about the latest attrocity as they do about someone preserving and presenting the evidence. That's why we're not allowed to witness for ourselves, the REAL attrocities that go on in Abu Graib.
+4 # John Locke 2012-01-12 17:06
punk: Thanks to Obama dead Americans may be next
+7 # Interested Observer 2012-01-12 18:29
Some (most?) Americans can't tell a war crime from an end-zone celebration dance. The difference is that there are penalties now for the latter.
+25 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 13:05
Another thing:

The Afghani people (I refuse to call them "the enemy", because there's no logical, moral, or consistent reason why we're even there any more) are fighting for their country and feel religiously persecuted.

Our military, on the other hand, is fighting for crony profiteering, and any Americans who seriously consider this a battle between religious philosophies are easily disproven, just by forcing them to witness the attrocities done in their name.

In fact, since 2001, many many many military attrocities have been deemed SO potentially POISONOUS to our psychie as a nation, and to their ability to convince us of our moral authority to commit them in the first place, that we haven't been allowed to see them for ourselves. Even the very mention that these attrocities have taken place is considered an act of great courage and will possibly be treated as treason or terrorist sympathy, by all the FREEDOM HATERS who can't stand the fact that this country STILL hasn't completely grown out of it's stage as a democratic republic.
+23 # Painter 2012-01-12 13:07
This incident is stomach crampingly horrible, but nothing at all compared to the other horrors visited upon the Afghan people by “our” side and “their” side (in their land). War brings out the worst in people. It is the ultimate dehumanizer – of the self and the other. To attack a country because it hosts attackers is cruel and insane. (Who armed the Taliban? We did. Where did the extremist version of Islam in Afghanistan come from? I believe it was Saudi Arabia. Where did most of the 9-11 hijackers come from? Saudi Arabia. And we invade Afghanistan, which terribly needed peace and development? Are we nuts? Never mind.)
+18 # Vermont Grandma 2012-01-12 13:08
How sad that any member of the US military has become so unconnected to other humans that they could do this. How doubly sad, as the commemoration of Dr. King's birthday is upon us, that African American members of the military have forgotten Dr. King's wisdom about how to treat others. How sad that African-America n members of the military have forgotten what it is like to be oppressed, killed, humiliated. These young men will come home wounded in spirit, with wounds that will last their lifetimes as they realize how much they've lost their path....
+18 # noitall 2012-01-12 13:20
"...which appear to have been conducted by a small group of US individuals..."
As usual, we'll nail "the small group"'s ass to the wall and life will be GREAT again. Just as we nailed asses to the wall at Guantanamo (and later continue torture justified by rhetoric and terminology). These guys are fed this crap and brainwashed from the first moment in boot camp and they are the ones to blame? Seems like they're following through with official "unwritten" policy. This is WAR, U.S. style. This and torture is a preview of how we can expect our dead and captured youth to be treated! When we make it known to the world(and our media)and the trainers of our forces that we do not hate the race of civilians, we do not torture, rape, and abuse, and prove it through our actions over time, then our soldiers can feel secure that they will be treated humanely themselves (maybe by the military too).
+13 # Activista 2012-01-12 13:20
"that there is an institutional problem in the American military" - American military and NACO forces are BIG PROBLEM. Only hope is that US military ends bankrupt as Soviets did in Afghanistan.
US Marine degenerates are at least on the ground - what about operators of drones dropping VP Biden COOL bombs on Afghanistan women and children?
Go on Yahoo and follow the discussions - how Americans think!?
+8 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 15:11
"US Marine degenerates are at least on the ground - what about operators of drones dropping VP Biden COOL bombs on Afghanistan women and children?"

Those would also be marines.
+17 # Glen 2012-01-12 13:24
Too bad more photos and videos are not available depicting the worst of the carnage. The alienation among these troops is now verging on psychotic, as folks are realizing when these troops come back to the U.S.
+16 # jwb110 2012-01-12 13:32
I think in this case the fish is rotting from the head down. An all volunteer army and the people that lead them tend to see themselves as new age Pretorian Guards. The Generals in charge in the middle east have had no problem publicly condemning their Commander in Chief, the President of the US. The Armed Service is a top down system. Start at the top and kick asses all the way to the bottom and pissing on corpses will stop and pissing on the President will stop also.
+14 # chuckw38 2012-01-12 13:34
Such desecration of ANY dead body, no matter how much hated, is NOT what I understand to be
Honorable behavior among Marines
and is a truly sad thing to see
+32 # ER444 2012-01-12 13:39
I certainly will not be the only, or the first one to write or think this but here goes anyway. We train and turn our young people to become killing machines and send them out in the world to do our deadly bidding. We are telling them now, it is ok to kill 'em but pissing on their corpses is "disgustng". What the fuck !!! This whole thing is OUR COLLECTIVE FAULT !!! We voters allowed our elected officials to send thousand upon thousands of our young men and women to do what a seal team finally did last year, BUT they are still there. For God sake why ?? BRING THEM HOME NOW, GET THEM MENTAL HELP, GIVE THEM TRAINING TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, AND GIVE THEM GOOD PAYING REAL JOBS SO THEY CAN LIVE NORMAL CREATIVE LIVES AS CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS OF SOCIETY !!! We all need to bow our collective head in shame for what is in this film. WE have turned our young people into animals. It is time to bring them home and take them into our arms and heal them.
+17 # Glen 2012-01-12 15:28
Correct, ER444, but thinking of the military as young people is in the recent past. Yep, the training at the age of enlistment can be ferocious, but the most tragic aspect of it all now is that the military is influencing even children, through entertainment - movies, video games, etc. - but worse, in schools. The recent article on high school military testing is shocking, but if folks knew that they also visit kindergarten classes, they might raise a protest for real. Of course, most parents are not notified of the visits or the testing.

When a military becomes a military society, with the support of a gullible public, there is need to worry beyond what we are concerned with in this video. The atrocities and worries are going to increase as the U.S. military spreads out across the planet.
+21 # reiverpacific 2012-01-12 13:43
I'll be interested to hear what the local Veterans For Peace chapter has about this at their next meeting. I usually just sit and listen but will bring it up if they don't.
Will report back.
Words from me would be meaningless as a lifelong anti-military activist but I do know that a couple of former high-school mates were totally brutalized by joining the British Army, one was bit of a loose cannon and loved it, the other an easy-going guy looking for a bit of adventure who was abused physically and permanently scarred mentally by his time in Germany and N. Ireland.
It takes all kinds to make an army but affects everybody in different ways, none that I know of which could be called positive unless you are a sadist!
Oliver North springs to mind as an example of the career criminal in uniform profiteering from his misbegotten war monger life.
Yet we still have the "School of the Americas which trains the scum of the South and Central American death squads to be even more efficient killing machines on behalf of the corporate state; patriotism is a myth and you see the results here!
+12 # futhark 2012-01-12 13:51
War is not a good foreign relations policy. However, I suppose desecration of dead "enemy combatants" is preferable to desecration of live innocent collateral civilian casualties. The American war machine has just about destroyed any illusions people in other countries might have ever had about the moral superiority of the American government.

Terrorists seem to win every war.
+13 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 15:31
Terrorists only win through conversion. When we start to act like terrorists ourselves, they've won.
+6 # Activista 2012-01-12 18:17
'is preferable to desecration of live innocent collateral civilian casualties"
doubt that there will be deep investigation - but there could be ONE brave journalist and explicitly tell us about the bodies of the people on the ground.
What they did - how many of their families were killed - how old they are. Make these "terrorists" human.
This could END the war - put human face on "Taliban".
I guess that most of these are peasants - drawn into the conflict by NATO occupation/war lords, and rulers in Kabul.
+15 # fredboy 2012-01-12 13:55
One must ask whether the Taliban gave these Marines a gift for creating the most powerful Taliban recruiting video in history?

Good Marines know how to fight AND how to think. And to employ foresight to avoid aiding and abetting the enemy--which is exactly what this vulgar and disgraceful group action did.

Thanks to those who recorded and shared this. The world needed to know. And the Corps and Pentagon needed to see it.
+8 # Glen 2012-01-13 05:53
I have past students who are marines, and they refused to go back to Iraq after the first invasion, due to moral issues with the need to go over there and the results. However, their reports to parents of the behavior of fellow marines in camp and outside, reflects what we are seeing here, due in part to rather innocent kids being thrown into the violent mix, but also rather demented kids being thrown into the violent mix, who actually got off on it, even to the point of brutalizing fellow marines.

The society raising these kids are complicit in creating attitudes and neurosis to begin with. And the military knows how to exploit that very thing.
+16 # bnjmn48 2012-01-12 14:01
What really upsets me is all the Generals and Warhorses who are ready to point fingers when They are indeed responsible for atrocities throughout the world. What these Marines did is deplorable but if one has viewed other videos on YouTube where soldiers are speaking out about the ways they are being trained to become inhumane. So many of our Men and Women are coming home with psych problems not just from PTSD but from the ways they are brainwashed by the military. Support our troops...#$$# those who have placed them there for our own petroleum and opium resources.
+10 # lincolnimp 2012-01-12 14:01
I started to write something profound, but I'm truly speechless.
+13 # James Marcus 2012-01-12 14:02
I see. Pissing is a problem. But murdering them; women, children, and all 'Resistors' (the 'Enemy'). And subjecting our own Children to this outrageous Continual War-ring is not really an issue....
It is our Politicians, The Commander -in-Chief, in Particular, (not my choice. This IS where The Buck Stops!) who are responsible for Every Death, every single Outrage..
For once, I hope, God will NOT have mercy upon their souls. I don't even believe in Hell, but I hope they are consigned there forever.
This (warfare) is all about MONEY!
+2 # Cassandra2012 2012-01-13 15:06
No,the problem is 'we' are not supposed to be exactly like 'them'. When we sink to the level of desecrating bodies (the Japanese did it in WWII in Nanking, the No. Koreans did it to American soldiers in the Korean war , the Nazis enjoyed doing it to the nth degree). Has Nurenberg taught us nothing? When we become as sub-human as they, then they have won.
+30 # Peace Anonymous 2012-01-12 14:16
For those of you who have never spent time in Afghanistan, with the locals, they are wonderful people and I believe a huge percentage of them want to live in peace. So my question is WHAT IS WRONG WITH US?
+10 # Activista 2012-01-12 18:23
Exactly - most rural people in the World - from Iranians to Russians to American to Serbs to Mexicans would share and help.

It is present Money Culture - Militarism - Greed. What is happening to America?
+25 # Peace Anonymous 2012-01-12 14:18
We expect the world to respect us and this is how we respect the world. Why are we so full of hate? How long can we expect the rest of the world to put up with us?
+24 # Mermaid19 2012-01-12 14:25
This is such a sad video to me. To think that we are training our young men not only to be killers but to violate others who have died under their hand. As a woman, as a mother, as a grandmother Is ay no more children to be trained to kill other women, mothers and grandmothers children. What a shame this is to our country and to our human family.
+7 # Erdajean 2012-01-12 17:13
Yes Ma'm, Mermaid -- as the granny of one loved kid who is being sent over there, I am appalled beyond all words. Grannies have just about no input, these days,in teaching good behavior -- and consequences. What grannies do, in our helplessness, is pray for these kids to be responsible adults who make the world better than they found it. Clearly we fall short. When there is nothing for the young to do with their lives but learn cruelty and killing, to show the world how ugly and horrid it is to be American, well, it's pretty devastating. Whatever will end this, bring it on, please Lord!
+10 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 14:27
Is it just me, or do these assholes look like class clowns begging for attention? The one of the far right looks at the camera for approval and smirks when he feels he's gotten it. I don't think they're "cute", but clearly, they really want someone to to muss up their hair and say, "aww! boys will be boys! Now go outside and play you little scamps!"

I wonder how many of these people would be engaged in any of this despicable behavior if they didn't think someone was watching with approval, or that someone at home was worshipping them like a hero.
+43 # RMDC 2012-01-12 14:30
Are there any videos of Cheney and Bush pissing on the constitution, american people, and the geneva conventions? Probably not, but for sure they did it.

This will just be one more american made recruiting video for al Queda. Hell, I'd join if those were my brothers on the ground and for sure I'd piss on some dead marine. That's the sort of people Bush/Cheney/Oba ma are creating all over the world.
+10 # rhgreen 2012-01-12 14:38
What do they mean "allegedly"?
+7 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 14:44
They mean "allegedly" in case it was staged or digitally created. Obviously, the Pentagon doesn't think it's fake.
+7 # Stephanie Remington 2012-01-12 16:51
The only thing I can think of (since there doesn't seem to be any doubt about whether the victims were dead, whether they were urinated on, or who did it) is that there is no direct evidence that the dead were actually Taliban.
0 # wipster 2012-01-12 21:20
It depends on what your definition of "is" is...
+6 # km0591 2012-01-12 14:42
It is impossible to win the hearts, minds and political alliances of anyone when you piss on their dead. We are so screwed over there.

Also, these are Marines, people. Having trained with the Marines while I was in the Navy during Viet Nam, I can tell you that while Marines can be brutal, arrogant pricks, this kind of dishonorable behavior is totally contrary to their most basic values as Marines. It is one thing to have a bunch of Army dufusses pull this kind of crap, but Marines? This reflects a grave breakdown of unit discipline in the Corps that should concern every American.
+12 # Stephanie Remington 2012-01-12 17:39
My father was in the army and earned a bronze star and purple heart fighting in Korea. He hasn't been a "dufuss" since I've known him and I'm guessing he wasn't then either.

The behavior described in this article goes way beyond problems with unit discipline. This kind of behavior results from a total failure of leadership from the top down, and from the foundation of training in the military today – the focus on dehumanizing troops so that they can dehumanize the “enemy.”
+5 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 20:01
That's the same experience I had with my father who was a WWII vet.

Maybe the difference is that our fathers WENT IN TO the military ALREADY HAVING a shred of decency and humanity.

These people joined the military for target practice and NEVER had a sense of humanity in them. I don't just blame the military for this. I blame our entire culture. It seems to me that the ONE THING conservatives are actually right about is the fact that our country is becoming less and less civilized. The problem with their logic is that THEY'RE THE ONES CAUSING IT.

Our culture has become corrupt from the top down. "Corrupt" is a bad enough word to describe EVERYTHING wrong with the world. It seems like such a mild description, but is a description of everything vile.

I don't think one individual thing could fix this. I think OUR ENTIRE SOCIETY needs to be scrubbed clean. Start with your children and don't ever let these assholes influence them.
+3 # RMDC 2012-01-12 14:52
This is really old news and boring news. Remember the video of British soldiers in Iraq forcing captured Iraqis to give them blowjobs. This is what war is. It is nothing else.
+7 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 20:02
IF that's what war is, then maybe we need to start thinking a little bit before we start any more of them.
+5 # John Locke 2012-01-13 09:25
Billy Bob: The first thing to do is reduce the Military budget, taak the military to a stand down peacetime force, get our bases out of foreign countries, and use diplomacy instead of aggression to settle disputes. You get more using honey than vinegar
+5 # Stephanie Remington 2012-01-12 22:54
If it were your family members being killed and peed on, I suspect you would be less inclined to yawn.
+6 # heraldmage 2012-01-13 02:35
No this jut isn't war this is war with immunity for USA soldiers.
Maybe if soldiers who broke civilian law or committed crimes against humanity or the Geneva Convention which they are all given a copy had to face trail and punishment in the country where they committed the crime they might have second thoughts before they acted.
Its not just in war that USA troops misbehave but anywhere they are stationed young men with a license to break the law will.
+2 # wipster 2012-01-12 14:59
I think that what these Marines did was not right, but I'm not in their shoes either. The one thing I do wonder is whether the "Homeland" series recently shown on Showtime might have influenced their actions. In one of the earlier episodes, the POW that was rescued and returned home had a flashback of his "guard" pissing on his face while he was lying on the floor recovering from being tortured. Could this be what perhaps gave them the idea?
+6 # panhead49 2012-01-12 15:34
Well kiddies - war is a very ugly thing and it rarely brings out the best in anyone. And Marines are indeed in a class of their own - they aren't called 'jar heads' without good cause. Think of two legged pit bulls (with apologeez to pit bulls) that have been raised for fighting purposes.

The uglies of war have always been there - in every conflict that has ever existed deplorable behavior has occurred - we're just in the age of instant info now.

Those looking into this need to go further up the chain of command, not just bust these guy's chops but also the chops of who is responsible for them thinking this was acceptable behavior. Anyone see McChrystal in the area at the time? grrrrrr
+6 # bugbuster 2012-01-12 15:42
The all-volunteer military bears close watching. I believe that it will ultimately prove a grave error to have ended the draft. Some day it could result in the guns being turned on anyone who disagrees with the views of our ever-increasing ly politicized military.
+8 # bugbuster 2012-01-12 15:43
A few more incidents like this, and I would favor disbanding the US Marines.
+17 # walt 2012-01-12 15:52
US soldiers urinating on dead bodies "is likely to...reinforce the perception that there is an institutional problem in the American military....."

Oh my God, do you think so? We have misused and abused our troops for ten years in two unlawful conflicts and nation-building . Now we are surprised that there may be problems within?

Have a look at what we have demanded of the military as well as the deaths, disabilities, suicide rates, PTSD, divorces, family abuse, etc.

In a sentence, what the hell do we expect when we launch insane occupations lasting ten years? Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz should be put on trial!
+9 # noitall 2012-01-12 15:54
War is all that we are training for and War is the only job available to returning military. There is little or no effort to find them jobs and immediately upon returning, they don't have the heart for anything else, such as selling burgers or washing dishes. Another self-perpetuati ng machine, compliments of the Corporate/milit ary coalition.
+8 # Torvus 2012-01-12 15:58
The probable next step: the person who took the video and the person who made it public (may not be the same) will be hunted down and labelled 'unpatriotic'. 'unAmerican', 'a terrorist'- and court-martialle d, with a year or in harassed naked solitary prior to trial. The military personnel who performed this video-d funeral ceremony will be exonerated or given trivial sentences.
-15 # MidwestTom 2012-01-12 16:16
And people wonder why much of the world hates us. I am sure that the if somebody shot dead several of your comrades and you then killed them, you may feel like pissing on their dead bodies. Remember Muslims dragging the body of a GI through the streets, and filming the beheading of a civilian. Maybe the person who took the picture and put it on the internet is the one they should go after.
+12 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 17:49
The GIs they went after were mercenaries after a massacre. We won though, we massacred thousands in Falluja as a response.

The civilian was also a "contractor" (read war profiteer).

How many innocent civilians have been killed in the Middle-East over the past decade? Guess who was doing most of that killing.

You're right though, if you join the military to kill and torture ragheads, and after killing thousands of them, experience the horror of some of them improvising ways to kill you in retaliation, you'll probably feel the urge to kill all of them and piss on their corpses. Afterall, it would be perfectly in line with everything else you've done so far.
+10 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 17:53
Also, maybe the person taking the picture accidentally let the world know what was going on, so that, by accident, our country could be shamed once again to a point of critical mass where people will actually start to question all the pro-military bullshit.
+5 # reiverpacific 2012-01-12 22:12
Quoting MidwestTom:
And people wonder why much of the world hates us. I am sure that the if somebody shot dead several of your comrades and you then killed them, you may feel like pissing on their dead bodies. Remember Muslims dragging the body of a GI through the streets, and filming the beheading of a civilian. Maybe the person who took the picture and put it on the internet is the one they should go after.

First off, I think you should replace the word "Muslims" with "Iraqis". They were simply people outraged by the rape and pillage of their country after many years of sanctions which hurt and killed everybody but those in power.
You are referring to the Fallujah incident which was a carefully-plann ed overwhelmingly- armed massacre targeting an outpost of resistance to "Shock and Awe" perpetrated and manned by the formerly named "Blackwater" (Now Xe) Christian-merce naries, paid large salaries to brutally prosecute the wills of Bush/Cheney/Rum sfeld/Rice in their privately financed crusade billed eventually at HUGE markups to YOUR tax $.
This is the same crowd that consistently and in full view of people on both sides, shot civilian Iraqi men, women and children including elders, at little or no provocation, even some who tried to help their countrymen to safety, then later joked about it being like "Target practice"!
War is no good for anybody, even the psychopaths who enjoy it, seemingly without feelings!
+4 # Peace Anonymous 2012-01-13 08:29
Quoting MidwestTom:
And people wonder why much of the world hates us. I am sure that the if somebody shot dead several of your comrades and you then killed them, you may feel like pissing on their dead bodies. Remember Muslims dragging the body of a GI through the streets, and filming the beheading of a civilian. Maybe the person who took the picture and put it on the internet is the one they should go after.

Then perhaps we should stay home.
+16 # F-Bomb 2012-01-12 16:20
What a mess we have here! These boys are trained to kill, put in the miserable toilet of the world, and piss on dead humans - I am livid at the politicians that are SO indignate about this...Look at our Congress, and the way they are acting today! Not to mention the Senate, and WORST of all, The Supreme Court!! The things that these politicians have done is 1000 times worse - but as Americans, we continue to allow them to stay in office. It is sad that these Marines chose to do this, but look at the example of their leaders, and what THEY continue to piss on....
+2 # Peace Anonymous 2012-01-13 08:34
Afghanistand is a beautiful country and the people are amazing. It is so very sad. You are quite right. These boys are doing what they are trained to do - HATE. And then they will come home and bring their hate with them. Where are the principles and values. It doesn't matter if you in Washington or Afghanistan, you can lie, cheat and steal but the only punishable sin left is getting caught on film with your pants down.
+8 # David Starr 2012-01-12 16:25
"...there is [a further perception of] an institutional problem in the American military." "[Questions are raised] about whether there is a culture of abuse in U.S. forces serving in Afghanistan and Iraq." It's not merely a matter of perception & questions. It's a friggin fact going back years; a virtual tradition where "nonAmericans" are viewed as "the enemy," "the lesser," "the other." The number of atrocities committed over the years by some members of the U.S. military-& the overall destruction-riv als the excesses of serial killers. This example of sadistic desecration by a few assholes of the "Few and the Proud" is obviously nothing to be proud of. At the least, they should be publicably pissed on; & for poetic justice, by Afghans.
-5 # bugbuster 2012-01-12 17:10
I stand by the views in my previous comments, but a part of me applauds pissing on the corpses of people who abuse women, destroy a global treasure such as Afghanistan's Great Buddha, and ban music. They are no friends of civilization, you, me, or humanity. That said, we pay for a professional military, and I damn well expect them to act like one. It's about the dignity and professionalism of the Marines, not about the Taliban. We don't expect our Marines to act like gang bangers.
+4 # Billy Bob 2012-01-13 08:37
Do you know the people who's bloody corpses were pissed on personally?

If you want to stand up for civilization, the first step is to act civilized. You can't torture, humiliate and degrade barbarians into civility.

All it proves is that OUR barbarism is more powerful.
+5 # reiverpacific 2012-01-13 12:36
Quoting bugbuster:
I stand by the views in my previous comments, but a part of me applauds pissing on the corpses of people who abuse women, destroy a global treasure such as Afghanistan's Great Buddha, and ban music. They are no friends of civilization, you, me, or humanity. That said, we pay for a professional military, and I damn well expect them to act like one. It's about the dignity and professionalism of the Marines, not about the Taliban. We don't expect our Marines to act like gang bangers.

Agreed that the Taliban are a horrible quasi-theocrati c gang of thugs using extreme interpretation of Islam to violently usurp power and abuse it, including the outrages that you mentioned. BUT the US and allies are supposed to be "civilized" always pointing fingers and assuming that they occupy the higher ground. And there is no current proof that these people are Taliban -that's still to be established. However, there IS AMPLE DOCUMENTED proof that civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan have been murdered in cold-blood, especially by the highly-paid Backwater (Xe) mercenaries, hence Fallujah.
Perpetrating barbarisms is inexcusable from any point of view.
0 # Peace Anonymous 2012-01-15 19:21
Bugbuster please do not assume that the majority of the Afghan people think like the Taliban who happened to be largely financed by the Saudis who happen to be our ally. If you have arrived at the conclusion that none of this makes sense then its time for you to follow the money. This is not about values, its about money. And why would these marines act in a dignified manner when the politicians who sent them there can't, which is exactly the point.
+11 # Jane Gilgun 2012-01-12 16:28
What do we expect? In order for one human being to kill another human being, we have to dehumanize the other. That's what the military trains soldiers to do. Terrorists are the other. Terrorists are not human beings. We have demonized them. Standing over and peeing on corpses of people the soliders have killed is a ritual. These men are not desecrating other human beings They are descrating demons. They believe demons deserve this desecration.

This dehumanization will continue until public opinion against is powerful and stays powerful in every country in the world. That's going to take some time.
+8 # geraldom 2012-01-12 17:17
We all have to know & realize that Afghan pres Hamid Karzai's & the U.S. govt's condemnation of this act is pure BS. Afghan pres Hamid Karzai & U.S. defense secretary Leon Panetta's crocodile tears are meaningless.

Hamid Karzai is an American puppet put their by U.S. to do their bidding. But, he has to show a phony facade of caring for his people in order to stay in power & the U.S. govt, represented here by U.S. defense secretary Leon Panetta, has to show that it condemns this act if it doesn't want to help the insurgents of Afghanistan increase their numbers fighting against us. Our govt & Panetta could care less about the lives of the Afghans (or the Iraqis for that matter), & you can be assured that Hamid Karzai will never demand that the U.S. pull all of its troops out of Afghanistan. The U.S. will instruct Hamid Karzai (secretly) as to how many U.S. troops we want to permanently keep in Afghanistan, & Hamid Karzai will, like an obedient dog, then ask the U.S. publicly (as if it was his own personal idea) to maintain a minimum force in his country to help train his police and his military.

It is the Modus Operandi of how imperialistic countries like the U.S. who desire to expand their control thru-out the world operate. In Iraq we have 16000 well armed personnel working out of the biggest U.S. embassy in the world in Baghdad & we have an armada of ships in the Persian Gulf and troops in Kuwait just in case we have to go back in.
+12 # Karlus58 2012-01-12 17:38
Last year, I saw a GI, in his Kahki uniform, middle of the day, standing alongside the roadway. He seemed lost, unconnected to where he was or why he was there. And I felt, that many of him would be returning soon, back home. I wondered and feared for our country, for, War has consequences, and we will soon begin to see many of these things we do not think about. The horror of it is profound.
+5 # Glen 2012-01-13 06:14
Yes, Karlus58, "the horror is profound" and these military people will never forget. Worse though, is the Middle East will never forget. NEVER. This type of killing and destruction will haunt those people forever and will be passed along to the generations to come, should the world last that long. If the U.S. war between the states still affects the deep south, and the war in Europe affects those countries, consider what the U.S. invasion will do to the history of the Middle East.
+3 # Billy Bob 2012-01-13 18:39
We still haven't recovered mentally or even FINANCIALLY from Vietnam.
+2 # reiverpacific 2012-01-13 19:25
Quoting Karlus58:
Last year, I saw a GI, in his Kahki uniform, middle of the day, standing alongside the roadway. He seemed lost, unconnected to where he was or why he was there. And I felt, that many of him would be returning soon, back home. I wondered and feared for our country, for, War has consequences, and we will soon begin to see many of these things we do not think about. The horror of it is profound.

It's already happening in domestic murders, suicides and mental breakdowns and on top of that, joblessness (and will only get worse).
Add the possibe realization that they were simply cannon-fodder for the Cheney/Bush cabal of cowards who started it all.
+13 # Texas Aggie 2012-01-12 17:38
"This disrespectful act is inexplicable" - Isaf

No, it's not. It is the completely foreseeable result of training kids to kill other people and to regard anyone not them as some sort of lesser animal.
+4 # angelfish 2012-01-12 18:12
These "men", evidently, are without ANY empathy. Unable to imagine their own dead bodies being defiled in such a way, they freely engage in this atrocious behavior towards the enemy. God knows, this and WORSE has probably been done to the dead of other Wars, none the less, there is NO excuse for it! Shame, Shame, Shame.
+12 # ozken 2012-01-12 18:19
Lookout you Americans that have made comments here that perhaps could be seen as giving aid & comfort to your 'terrorist' enemies. Perhaps the military can now lock you up without trial or proof of guilt - lock you up forever. That is the way your country seems to be heading which is a very sad thing to many in the world like myself who once looked to America not only as a leader of the west but as a moral leader and a country where a person could live in decency and fairness. I could almost weep for you.
+8 # Archie1954 2012-01-12 19:23
What do you mean reinforce the "perception" that there is a problem in the US military? Quit the fooling around and call a spade a spade for Pete's sake. With torture, mass killings, despicable behaviour and contempt shown by Americans for Afghanis of course there is a problem with the US military. Forget this damned perception foolishness.
0 # hughv 2012-01-12 19:34
I saw much worse than this in Vietnam, and the only big deal here is that these guys were dumb enough to film themselves. If you take a bunch of young men and put them in this situation, shit is going to happen. If they were in my platoon, I'd tell them not to do it again and move on.
Now that the film is out there, however, all the pious assholes have to chime in and say the right thing, and these guys will probably have to pay a price out of proportion to the deed.
Before you get bent out of shape, try to remember that we told these young men that killing is OK, so a little urination doesn't seem like much in the circumstances. It certainly doesn't compare to the time-honored traditions of scalping and other trophy taking.
+5 # Billy Bob 2012-01-12 20:52
We may not have had movies of pissing during Vietnam, but we sure had a lot more information about what was going on in our name. You're right about the attrocities committed there as well. It was one of the reasons for all of those protests back home.

Vietnam outlasted us though, didn't they? Maybe one of the reasons we were able to win every battle of Vietnam and bomb the shit out of them for years, but still manage to lose, was the fact that, back at home, we knew we had no moral authority.

Moral authority wins wars just as surely as any weapon of mass destruction. We've lost ours.
+3 # angelfish 2012-01-12 22:25
Quoting hughv:
I saw much worse than this in Vietnam, and the only big deal here is that these guys were dumb enough to film themselves. If you take a bunch of young men and put them in this situation, shit is going to happen. If they were in my platoon, I'd tell them not to do it again and move on.
Now that the film is out there, however, all the pious assholes have to chime in and say the right thing, and these guys will probably have to pay a price out of proportion to the deed.
Before you get bent out of shape, try to remember that we told these young men that killing is OK, so a little urination doesn't seem like much in the circumstances. It certainly doesn't compare to the time-honored traditions of scalping and other trophy taking.

The POINT is, that it makes them look small, ignorant and without ANY moral fiber. Americans are supposed to be made of FINER stuff! Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD! Killing the enemy is one thing, defiling his corpse is an ENTIRELY different matter, and you CERTAINLY don't want to film yourself doing it! It's demoralizing to find out how base and savage our Military has become. We no longer have any Role Models or Heroes to look up to so I guess this kind of thing is to be expected. I just never thought I'd live to see the day WE were as bad as THEM!
+2 # Billy Bob 2012-01-13 08:49
Angelfish brought up a good point.

What if it were revealed, back in WWII that WE were the true villains. What if our country was constantly being barraged with information of American attrocities rather than nazi attrocities? What if it was Germany that was trying to prevent US from taking over the world and WE were the ones with all the death camps with the smell of burning flesh in the air as we methodically tried to commit genocide against millions of our own people?

Do you think all those scrap metal drives and War Bonds would be nearly as successful? Do you think people would go out of their way to give their lives as much as they did then, for a country they believed was up to no good?


Whatever attrocities are committed by ALL sides in ALL wars are besides the point. The issue is the morale of a nation seriously questioning if it has any moral authority at all. If this pissing incident was an ISOLATED incident, it might not be so disturbing.

The fact is that we all know too well the truth.

+1 # Billy Bob 2012-01-13 08:49

In fact, raising a generation of volunteer soldiers with no sense of humanity or morality creates a self-fulfilling downward spiral. Who else will be attracted to join the military? The answer is people who already have an inclination to committing these kinds of acts. Our country even makes it cool by funding video games glamorizing it.

This ACTUALLY CAN be fixed. But, not without accountability.
+4 # derekthered 2012-01-12 20:22
this is no surprise, comes from dehumanization, the stock and trade of capitalism. do you think those that were in the triangle trade were not capitalists? of course they were, what they did was just out in the open. capitalism does this to people, teaches them that human flesh is just a commodity to be used and abused.
now, in our day to day lives here in amerika we hide what we are, but it is internalized, get along to go along, play the game. in war however soldiers are taught to let go of these constraints, trained to kill, hate the other, let the beast range free. so, pissing on corpses? this is somehow worse than killing them in the first place? after we take death and destruction to their country without even the courtesy of a declaration of war? what do we expect to happen?
yes, the taliban and al qaeda bombed down the towers, maybe we should have declared war, i'm split.
ok, pakistan formed the taliban, we encouraged it, read the history of the bhutto's. we financed the mujahadeen to overthrow the socialist govt. of afghanistan, before the soviets ever "invaded" to support the socialist govt. of karmal, true story, the red's were trying to reform this country, and enforce equal rights for all, we couldn't have that.
al qaeda and the taliban, just like saddam were our quasi-allies before they weren't. can anyone say blowback?
+6 # colvictoria 2012-01-12 20:56
This behavior by our US military is atrocious and they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. I agree with all of the comments on US Imperialism and its war crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan etc.. but let us not forget that this evil exists in all militaries and mercenary armies all over the world.
If you want to see even worse behavior go to Mathaba and Libya SOS websites where they show mercenary armies (trained by the US) participating in some of the worst crimes against humanity. I clicked on one and it was of a Black Libyan being lynched by a mob of Libyan rebels during the fall of Qaddafi. It was completely horrifying. These were the rebels that the U.S. & France helped finance and arm along with 7 months of NATO strikes which left Libya in rubble. Let's not forget what these rebels did to an elderly Qaddafi and his son. No leader no matter how corrupt deserved such a heinous death yet Hillary cheered when his murder was announced.
It's a sad state of affairs when our leaders boast about who they've murdered today. Our own Nobel Prize winning president gloated when Bin Laden was assassinated as well as Al Awalaki and his teen son and then Qaddafi. Who will be next Ahmadineajad? Assad of Syria? Hugo Chavez? an elderly Fidel Castro? Evo Morales? Daniel Ortega?
0 # Jim 2012-01-13 00:24
So...let's get this's okay to kill and maim, but it's a violation of decency to urinate on them once you've killed them? Do you realize the absurdity of the mentality that frets and ponders over something disgusting in order to overshadow something infinitely worse?
+5 # Billy Bob 2012-01-13 08:59
You're right on one level. On the other hand, this is an act of desecration.

Ask hard core Texans what they thought of Ozzie Osborne pissing on the Alamo - and that's an inanimate object.

I'm as liberal as you can possibly get, and I personally think flag burning shouldn't be covered under Free Speech.

This isn't an act of war. It's an act of humiliation. It's one thing to beat up a kid. It's another thing to run his underwear up the flagpole, make every girl in the school point and laugh at his naked body, call him a faggot, and make him go home to explain to his parents what happened.

Beating him up hurts his face a bit. The rest could turn him into less of a human being for the rest of his life. He may wait until 20 years later to get revenge.

Isn't killing them enough? Is it wise to make them so filled with hatred against us that we've recruited another few thousand terrorists?
+7 # heraldmage 2012-01-13 02:11
What do we expect?
The military takes our children brainwashes them to go against their religious and cultural upbringing as degrades the people making them less then human in order to make it okay for them to kill without remorse.
To top that off the USA requires every government where USA bases & troops are to sign an immunity agreement for the troops.
So now you have 18,19,20 yr old running around with guns with a license to kill, steal, maim, rap. They can and do anything they want. That is why the people of Okinawa want them off their island and the Philippines imports women from other nations to live & work in the district near the USA base. To protect their population.
This is not new behavior for our troops, but now it can be easily exposed because of digital cameras, phones with cameras and Internet.
Its time to stop war for the profit of the 1%. They are making criminals of our children.
Its time to close all foreign bases bring all the troops, aircraft, missiles, guns, vehicles, naval vessels, all military equipment back to the continental USA to be publicly accounted before 1 more cent is spent for defense aside from the salary of the troops and their food, clothes & medical care.
From this day forward our military should be used to protect the 50 states from foreign invasion that's all.
We must stop war as a means to enrich the 1% at the expense of the nation & its children.
+6 # Billy Bob 2012-01-13 10:02
"From this day forward our military should be used to protect the 50 states from foreign invasion that's all."

Are you suggesting the Department of "Defense" be used for DEFENSE?
+4 # mwd870 2012-01-13 08:27
Panetta says, ""I have seen the footage, and I find the behaviour depicted in it utterly deplorable. Those found to have engaged in such conduct will be held accountable to the fullest extent." Those found - do you suppose any will be?

McCain says, "There should be an investigation and these young people should be punished." Yes, there should be a real investigaton.

The negative reaction to this is justified. It symbolizes the failure of the war and the brutality that has so often been ignored. Right now on msnbc there is a former official trying to say this is an overreaction. The overreaction was ever going into war in the first place.
+6 # giraffee2012 2012-01-13 11:32
The USA government / military is criminalizing Manning but doing "not much if anything" to war criminals? Where is the country my parents entered in 1936? If alive they would think they were back in Nazi Germany
0 # giraffee2012 2012-01-13 11:33
-8 # facebook_programmer 2012-01-13 12:38
I hope our Canadian military doesn't get retribution for this poor and unprofessional conduct. Ron Paul 2012! Don't let the media continue manufacturing consent against him.
0 # DanielG 2012-01-13 14:10
What I see: Four guard's for drug dealing Cartels', Bush- Blair AKA CIA Militias' Pissing on REAL MEN, attempting to, "ONCE AGAIN" remove the Poppy Fields, from "There Homeland". Post "PISSING GIRLS" pictures on every street corner through Afghanistan, Refuse to help them leave the country, Let the People of Afghanistan. Idea for You Proud People of Afghanistan; Place them four in a hole downtown, With a sign, Indicating public toilet, when full just cover; For the rest of the military, Come Home, you don't need permission, you've no business there..........
-4 # ther19 2012-01-13 19:59
So... It's OK to kill them but not to pee on them. Weird set of values. I am almost outraged at the outrage. For the record, I am generally to the left of liberal, but I find that it beggars belief that the people of this country thinks that they can "hire" young men, (in this case...), and train them to be born killers like the Marines do in boot camp, (let alone scout/sniper training), and then expect them to respect those then they've traveled 12,000 miles to kill. My God people. You hire these guys to do your dirty work and then you dump on them for being disrespectful when they've done it??? Like killing them in the first place isn't sorta disrespectful. If it was your job to kill people that would gladly kill all your best pals, would you be able to sleep at night if you actually let yourself humanize your targets? I remember the pep talk given by the commander of the ground forces in the first Iraq war telling his boys to "put hate your heart and get the job done". These guys obviously did just that. Scout/snipers are trained by our government to go out and hunt people like animals. If you are not willing to repudiate the entire notion that we need a badass military, be thankful that there are people out there willing to do this stuff so you and/or your kids don't have to. The video was dumb. Its content is just nasty reality.
Bring em all home. Turn swords into ploughshares. But until we do that, let's leave these people alone to do their nasty jobs.
+6 # Billy Bob 2012-01-13 22:28
BUY WAR TOYS - song by Roy Zimmerman:

Little Johnny Johnson wants an M-16
Sister Suzie wants an Uzi and a sub-machine
Kids are makin’ wishes and wartime strategies
Singin’ “Happy Happy Birthday to the Prince of Peace”

Buy war toys for Christmas, have a happy holiday
Santa traded in his red cap for a green beret
Teach those happy little children to be hell-cats when they play
And have a very merry military day

Janie wants the latest deadly lazer gun
Little Tommy asked his mommy for his own B-1
Kids are roasting chestnuts on burning effigies
Singin’ “Happy Happy Birthday to the Prince of Peace”

Buy war toys for Christmas, have a happy holiday
Put the missile in the misteltoe, that’s what I say
Teach those happy little children to be hell-cats when they play
And have a very merry military day

Little Danny Simpson armed his own brigade
Staged a coup and overthrew the Christmas Day parade
Kids are roasting chestnuts on burning effigies
And hiding chocolate covered cherry bombs in a box of seeds

Buy war toys for Christmas, have a happy holiday
Santa slayed his reindeer, now he flies the Enola Gay
Teach those happy little children to be hell-cats when they play
And have a very merry military day
And have a very scary military day
Singin’ “Happy Happy Birthday to the Prince of Peace”
+1 # Glen 2012-01-16 16:53
If you return to check responses to your post: lyrics: Thank you. Too bad this sentiment will not be shared by thousands.
+2 # badbenski 2012-01-14 03:04
A war zone is a realm of madness and brutality, where such behavior is, in context, totally consistent with all else that's going on. Pieces of dead enemies are carved off for keepsakes, private parts are removed and placed in the mouths of dead enemies & photographed and it only goes downhill from there. These and other horrors, committed with the nervous snickers of false bravado, are the reasons soldiers come home all screwed up. That and the memory of suddenly finding themselves covered with the pieces of dead or wounded comrades.

But now, in a 24 hour news cycle, internet world, such behavior can be viewed on our computers screens, in the comfort of our own homes. And out comes the, somewhat tardy, moral outrage. Where was that outrage as our leaders plunged our youngsters into the insanity of warfare? But none of that matters now as these Marines will no doubt be reprimanded and pilloried - perhaps rightly so - for allowing a bit of the reality of the war zone to leak out into polite company. Just a bunch of heavily armed and somewhat psychotic dumb young kids... our kids, molded into their current shape by our dear Uncle Sam.

Those crying out for their scalps will likely get their pound of flesh but what about our fearless leaders who trained and sent them in the first place? When do they get their comeuppance and just deserts?
+1 # sabiha1 2012-01-18 12:18
May the curse of the dead descend upon these charlatans.

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