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Christian Warrior Militia Plotted Domestic Uprising

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Monday, 29 March 2010 20:00
From top left, David Brian Stone Sr., of Clayton, Mich.; David Brian Stone Jr., of Adrian, Mich.; Jacob Ward, of Huron, Ohio; Tina Mae Stone; from bottom left, Michael David Meeks, of Manchester, Mich.; Kristopher T. Sickles, of Sandusky, Ohio; Joshua John Clough, of Blissfield, Mich.; and Thomas William Piatek, of Whiting, Ind. (photo-caption: US Marshal/AP/NYT)

Top (l-r), David Stone Sr., David Stone Jr., Jacob Ward, Tina Stone; bottom (l-r), Michael Meeks, Kristopher T. Sickles, Joshua  Clough, Thomas Piatek. (photo: US Marshal/AP/NYT)


ine suspects tied to a Christian militia that was preparing for the Antichrist were charged with conspiring to kill police officers, then kill scores more by attacking a funeral using homemade bombs, federal prosecutors said Monday.

The Michigan-based group, called Hutaree, planned to use the attack on police as a catalyst for a larger uprising against the government, according to newly unsealed court papers. U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade said agents moved quickly on the group because its members were planning a violent mission sometime in April.

Members of the group, including its leader, David Brian Stone, also known as "Captain Hutaree," were charged following FBI raids over the weekend on locations in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana. Seven people were arraigned in Detroit on Monday, and another one of Stone's sons, Joshua, is being sought.

Stone's ex-wife, Donna Stone, told The Associated Press before the arraignments that her former husband was to blame for pulling her son into the movement. She said David Brian Stone legally adopted her son, David Brian Stone Jr., who is among those indicted.

"It started out as a Christian thing," said Donna Stone, 44. "You go to church. You pray. You take care of your family. I think David started to take it a little too far."

According to the indictment, the group had been meeting and conducting military-style training exercises in the Michigan woods since 2008 to prepare for an impending war with its enemies. Members practiced building and detonating explosives and shooting firearms and built storage bunkers, investigators said.

The group says on its Web site that Hutaree means "Christian warrior" and describes the word as part of a secret language that few are privileged to know. The group quotes several Bible passages and states: "We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ.... Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment."

The site also features a picture on the site of 17 camouflaged men, all holding large guns, and includes videos of camouflaged men toting guns and running through wooded areas in apparent training exercises. Each wears a patch on his left shoulder that bears a cross and two red spears.

According to investigators, the Hutaree view local, state, and federal law enforcement personnel as a "brotherhood" and an enemy, and planned to attack them as part of an armed struggle against the U.S. government.

The idea of attacking a police funeral was one of numerous scenarios discussed as ways to go after law enforcement officers, the indictment said. Other scenarios included using a fake 911 call to lure an officer to his or her death, killing an officer after a traffic stop or attacking the family of a police officer.

Once other officers gathered for a slain officer's funeral, the group planned to detonate homemade bombs at the funeral, killing scores more, according to the indictment.

After the attacks, the group allegedly planned to retreat to "rally points" protected by trip-wired improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, for what they expected would become a violent standoff with law enforcement personnel.

The indictment says members of the group conspired "to levy war against the United States, (and) to oppose by force the authority of the government of the United States."

The charges against the eight include seditious conspiracy, possessing a firearm during a crime of violence, teaching the use of explosives, and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction - homemade bombs. All seven defendants in court on Monday requested to be represented by the federal defender's office, and a bond hearing is set for Wednesday.

The arrests have dealt "a severe blow to a dangerous organization that today stands accused of conspiring to levy war against the United States," U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said Monday.

The raids on the group began over the weekend. FBI agents in Michigan swarmed a rural, wooded property Saturday evening in Adrian, about 70 miles southwest of Detroit. The same night in Hammond, Ind., law enforcement agents flooded a neighborhood, startling workers at a nearby pizzeria. In Ohio, authorities blocked off streets and raided two homes.

Outside Adrian, Heidi Wood, who lives near the property that was raided, said she hears gunshots "all the time" from near two ramshackle trailers that sit side-by-side. On Monday, a long gun leaned against a washing machine that sat in the yard, and on top of a nearby canister was another long gun.

Wood's mother, Phyllis Brugger, who has lived in the area for more than 30 years, said Stone and his family were known as having ties to militia. They would shoot guns and often wore camouflage, she said.

"Everybody knew they were militia," Brugger said. "You don't mess with them."

In Ohio, one of the raids occurred at Bayshore Estates, a well-kept trailer park in Sandusky, a small city on Lake Erie between Toledo and Cleveland. Neighbors said the man taken into custody lived in a trailer on a cul-de-sac with his wife and two young children.

The man's wife, Kelly Sickles, said her husband collected guns as a hobby. Agents searched their home for bomb-making materials, she said, but she couldn't believe her husband, Kristopher Sickles, 27, could be connected to a group that was plotting anything violent.

"He doesn't even know how to make a bomb," she said. "We had no bomb material here."

Barrett reported from Washington. Associated Press Writers David Aguilar and Jeff Karoub in Detroit; Mike Householder in Adrian, Mich.; Rick Callahan and Charles Wilson in Indianapolis; John Seewer in Sandusky, Ohio; and Matt Leingang in Columbus, Ohio, contributed to this story.


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+59 # Guest 2010-03-29 22:50
I've been saying for quite a while now that all the loose talk on Fox news and whatever stage Sarah Palin is on is going to get someone hurt seriously or killed. I think we should start holding these hate mongers responsible for their words and actions.
 
 
+12 # Guest 2010-03-30 16:17
it's time to charge Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage with hate speech.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-03-30 21:08
Think you will find this interesting,
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+52 # Guest 2010-03-29 22:58
Is it plausible that groups like this are inspired, motivated and encouraged by the likes of Palin, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, et al? I strongly suspect this.
Could it be that the retrogrades at Faux News encourage people like these? I'd bet on it!

I think that the risk of terrorism from abroad pales next to the likelyhood of terrorism from within. If I were a betting man, I'd throw it all in on the bet that with regard to internal/domest ic terrorism, we ain't seen nothin' yet and when this finally bares fruit, the mortality rate in America will dwarf 9/11 many times over.

The right simply seems unable to propose any ideology, any set of principles, any vision for America what so ever that would exclude these kinds of internal terrorists and the right offers no remedies, no theories on how America could be made right for everyone.

Our enemy is the terrorist within...and the Right that nourishes them.
 
 
-68 # Guest 2010-03-30 00:26
The charges against the eight include seditious conspiracy, (that's virtually an impossible one to prove) possessing a firearm during a crime of violence (no crime occurred so the count is dropped), teaching the use of explosives (homemade fireworks?), and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction (WMD's - are you kiddin?).

This sounds like more trumped up charges against some angry citizens in order to fuel the mainstream media's propaganda which is hoping to vilify anyone who points out that our present government is mostly a bunch of corrupt anti American scumbags. Why won't the FBI start arresting the international bankers who have robbed us of trillions? When will the FBI stand up for Americans instead of a bunch of elite globalists.




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-55 # Guest 2010-03-30 07:10
I was thinking the same thing, greenback. It would not be the first time that has happened, or the last. The media jumps on just about anything and expands the issue simply to fill time and space. Not enough is known about these folks yet, to make arrests. We definitely should not create another "Waco" Branch Dividian killing spree. In fact, I am still amazed that citizens were not enraged at the attack on that compound and, like you, would hope citizens would insist on arresting elitist thieves.
 
 
-25 # Guest 2010-03-30 07:11
Also, greenback, I am puzzled about the minus 3 on your post.
 
 
+16 # Guest 2010-03-30 08:01
Let me guess...And none of what happened in front of the capitol building with the Congressmen prior to the vote on Health Care occurred either because it wasn't on tape, right? What are you blind? This is straight of Turner Diaries, Timothy McVeigh's bible and if you don't know what it is, good! You sound like just the kind of person who shouldn't read it!
 
 
-13 # Guest 2010-03-30 08:36
Kelly - that is not the point. Being careful and reasonable is the point. There is too much emotion and over-reaction to all events right now, which can be dangerous to many. Citizens have been fooled with hyperbole in the past and are being manipulated daily with downright lies. There are extremely dangerous individuals in this country and often they are next door neighbors. No sense inciting them, also no sense in creating a posse mentality that would lynch folks without proof of guilt. The proof of that in this thread is the minus points, critical of counterpoint.
 
 
+25 # Guest 2010-03-30 09:41
Then let us carefully and reasonably consider the cost of having citizens who watch their own elected officials act like spoiled children on important matters. That is not mainstream media hyperbole. We do not drive planes into IRS buildings just to make points, do not set compounds on fire to promote religious beliefs nor do we throw rocks at those with whom we are supposed to have civil disputes. Minus points come from concerned AMERICANS not dems or repubs but anyone who belongs to this country and is sickened about the ever growing divide that these persons seem willing and eager encourage to become violent.
 
 
-8 # Guest 2010-03-30 10:42
You just made my point. You must decide which you are condemning here: the government or violent groups and individuals that MIGHT cause harm or who have actually caused harm. You might come across sounding like you agree with the violence. The original comments were concerning citizen reactionary groups/ individuals. No one is condoning violence. What I am objecting to is a lynch mob reaction, exhibited after the health care bill was passed, but that could have been much worse. The propaganda machine of the government and media is to keep citizens divided and at each other's throats. I have commented many times on the propaganda machine of the U.S. government and the media. If you will note, I agreed with greenback that the government funded elitists that have robbed citizens of their money should be condemned and arrested.

Never assume that anyone calling for a rational assessment of a particular situation is disagreeing with you. Also research the event at the Branch Davidian.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-03-30 12:30
I did notice. That is why I called you out. I knew you were simply blaming what you thought was an "elitist" government conspiracy and a media machine that you feel doesn't support your point of view. It is sad to see that lynch mob mentality only seems to rear its ugly head when right wing extremists try to pave the way for freedom in camo, while everyone else seems to understand that quiet civil discourse is a better way to go. I have looked into the David Koresh affair...anyone one calling themself the second Christ, always seems a little dubious to me. Especially when he says he is the person who can break open the seals of the Apocalypse. Did you know that one?
 
 
-4 # Guest 2010-03-30 16:43
Kelly, as I mentioned in a post prior to this, the entire compound of children and women died for the sins of David Koresh. Was that according to your liking? Was it justifiable that tanks and major weapons and well trained military types stormed that compound, considering that no crime had been committed except by David Koresh? That is the type of over-reaction I have described, and citizens, along with the government are equally guilty in violent, over-reaction. Do you think the deaths of a woman and child justified the attack on Ruby Ridge. Do your research. Anybody, at any time could be persecuted for beliefs in the U.S., that has nothing to do with actual crime.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-03-31 10:14
Glen, researched Branch Davidian - here is what I found - http://www.nytimes.com/2000/07/15/us/jury-finds-for-us-in-deaths-at-waco.htmls So, what was your point?
 
 
+13 # Guest 2010-03-30 09:56
The group says, "Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment." They have video on their site of them running around in camos, with guns, wearing ID patches showing swords. Now, it could all be a government plot to hog-tie innocent citizens, but chances are, investigators aren't basing their accusations of the Hutarees' plans for violence on tea-leaf readings. No, they shouldn't be jailed without trial, but I'd say there's ample reason to haul them in and face a jury.
 
 
-5 # Guest 2010-03-30 12:10
There is "ample reason to haul them in" - for investigation. Have they been indicted? Take a look at America. There are folks like this all over the country, but that have no real intent on attacking or killing. Your quote - this group says "Jesus wanted us to be ready to DEFEND ourselves..." - not attack the government. Citizens in every rural state in the union and every city with concerned citizens are armed. In some states, during hunting season there are maybe 300,000 people out with guns, dressed in all manner of cammo with all manner of patches and symbols. There are enclaves of survivalists in numerous areas, especially mountains, who own many guns. None of these people have any intention of attacking anyone. Shall we accuse them all on heresay, cammo and symbolism, and based on gun ownership?
 
 
+21 # Guest 2010-03-30 08:10
Perhaps they should go after you too since you seem to be protective of home-grown terrorists. You dudes never learn, do you? Most "Americans" are getting tired of being looked down by the international community as a nation who harbors war criminals, home-grown terrorist, racist fools, Republicans, right wing religious bordering of insane conservatives.

And why is FQX news, republicans and the judicial system (those five conservative supreme court justices) keeping quiet?

It's looking more a ultra right wing conspiracy!
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-03-30 12:53
Am not sure who you are addressing your post to, foxtrot. No one is protecting terrorists. Those who think as I do, and there are many, are for reason and sanity. We have lived long enough to have seen a lot of violence that could have been prevented and that was directed at people who were guilty of nothing. As I said, hysteria and irrational behavior was more than evident when the health care bill was passed. We especially don't want to see the hammer come down on what may actually be innocent citizens.
 
 
+18 # Guest 2010-03-30 10:01
Ah, they should have you as their attorney, instead of wasting our tax dollars on public defenders for every one of them. These aren't Christians. They aren't warriors. They are ignorant, knuckle-draggin g, domestic terrorists, who were out to not only kill the men and women who every day protect your sorry ass, but innocent women and children (their families at a funeral). Federal prison is the nicest thing I could wish on them. And if you don't like the government, go vote. You just don't like the fact that the majority of Americans disagree with you. That's called a democracy. Live with it.
 
 
+21 # Guest 2010-03-30 10:18
Just thinking...Take a handful of American born male citizens with non-Anglo sounding names...Change their religion from Christian to Islam, the word militia to jihad and their names to something including Al-Shehhi, Ahmed, Alshehri, Mohamed, Alhaznawi, Ziad and Hussein and you'd probably be calling for waterboarding even before a full public disclosure of evidence or even a trial.

Just thinking...
 
 
+9 # Guest 2010-03-30 10:48
What is wrong with this picture? Alleged Christians proposing to kill cops for Christ? And, you, my friend are a fellow traveler. These types are dangerous. Thank goodness the FBI was on to them. Sooner or later their fantasies would become reality. Their view of things is not much different than Charles Manson's. Hopefully, an example will be made of them by locking them up and throwing away the key, so as to discourage others from this screwy anarchism.
 
 
-3 # Guest 2010-03-30 01:01
I feel a lot safer knowing people like this are protecting us from us.
 
 
+25 # Guest 2010-03-30 01:22
Please - call them "Christianist" perhaps, but "Christian" this is not.
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-03-30 03:14
Looks like they caught these guys BEFORE they could hold up in a compound, this time!
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-03-30 06:02
big news?????
 
 
+30 # Guest 2010-03-30 06:34
I'd guess maybe this group of Jihadists is from Beckistan?
 
 
+44 # Guest 2010-03-30 07:00
Note that these people are terrorists, and they call themselves "Christian" and are Americans. Certainly Palin, the Tea Baggers, and Fox encourage such thinking and worse, such activities. Violence will accomplish nothing. We must protect ourselves from terrorists within as well as without the USA.
 
 
+28 # Guest 2010-03-30 07:17
This is the same planning that a man in Pittsburgh used to murder three police officers last year. And he had the same right-wing, TV-fueled motivation.
 
 
+10 # Guest 2010-03-30 07:46
This is scary but I've been surprised by the number of people I meet who, regardless of their political leanings, feel dissatisfied and for the most part powerless when it comes to national politics. I firmly believe that government at all levels should strive to educate and include people. And that people should expect that individuals, groups and entire communities should be involved in the group decision making process that is government. I say DEMAND that government be open and GET OFF YOUR BUTT.
 
 
-51 # Guest 2010-03-30 07:50
This has nothing to do with FOX, Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck or Mrs. Palin. This isn't the first time in our history that very radical groups have assembled. Do we forget the KKK or the Black Panthers or how about the American NAZI Party? Come on, let's get real and stop trying to brand Conservatives as the enemy. The enemy appears to be the left wing liberal press that will twist
anything in order to attack Conservatives. Wake up folks we are not getting the news as ir occurs, we are getting news that is spun to fit certain agendas.
 
 
+25 # Guest 2010-03-30 07:55
Read the new book called Ragnarok and understand where these people are coming from. The apocalyptic vision is common these days and peoples' responses vary from attacking the Taliban in Afganistan to forming local food co-ops in the Willamette Valley. I agree that watching FOX NEWS probably produces more of the wingnut responses - but the terrible future we face with global warming, peak oil and the rest of the disasters from overpopulation are not being officially recognized, much less being constructively dealt with.
 
 
-20 # Guest 2010-03-30 08:04
Morons from the flyover states. Sheesh...
I doubt the cops from these flyover states are much better. They probably trade thier uniforms for white sheets after work too. I say let them eliminate each other and clean up the gene pool.
 
 
-13 # Guest 2010-03-30 08:08
Morons from the flyover states! Put them in a rendition program for a little good old fashioned American torture.
 
 
-3 # Guest 2010-03-30 08:08
Those pesky Christians...
I wonder if the Apostles looked as motley as this crew. They do Jesus proud.
 
 
+18 # Guest 2010-03-30 08:35
These people are the ultimate example of taking the Lord's name in vain. They should read their scriptures more thoroughly. I am sure Christ is appalled when people decide to kill innocent victims in his name.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-03-30 13:08
You're so right. He said: In the last days many will come to me saying, "Lord, lord, did we not do many powerful works in your name?, and I will say to them, get away from me you workers of lawlessness, I know you not at all."
 
 
-16 # Guest 2010-03-30 08:48
I'm sorry but I'm having a hard time believing these folks were planning to attack police anywhere. I'll have to see some proof of this. Now that should not be that hard to produce, should it?

Hope they don't plead out the charges.

How this normally works as charges are piled on until their all facing life and they are forced to accept and admit to lesser charges for less time. As these folks are used for someones purposes...

In a scenario such as this the Fed never have to put up real evidence to a jury...just make the charges.
 
 
+24 # Guest 2010-03-30 09:17
These "Christian extremists" do for Christianity what "Muslim extremists" do for Islam. Religious fundamentalists of all stripes should always be considered potentially violent and dangerous.
 
 
+15 # Guest 2010-03-30 09:17
If I'm not mistaken, when Christ told His followers when you take care of your family, you put your trust in God. I don't recall anywhere in the Bible you were supposed to kill people.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-03-30 13:54
Its in the Old Testament.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-03-30 09:26
Perhaps passing judgment after the facts are known, for example, after a trial, would be more appropriate. It is tempting, though, to see a pattern of domestic terrorism. But then, that's what our brains do--search out patterns.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-03-30 09:37
Picture perfect! What a bunch of sad-sack loonies!
Ship 'em to Afghanistan and let 'em practice on the
Taliban.
 
 
+15 # Guest 2010-03-30 10:10
I visited a family member in the psychiatric ward (the locked unit) once years ago. These people in the photos above look JUST like the faces of the deranged in that unit -- the bloated paleness, etc. Every one of those people above would be in a psychiatric locked unit if not for Reagan changing those laws years ago.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-03-30 13:32
Unfortunately yo9u are perpetuating myths about mental illness and psychiatric treatment. I have been in treatment for bipolar schizophrenia for 16 years now. Mental illness is an illness like any other. These diseases can respond to treatment and many of the afflicted do live productive lives.
As to the Hutaree: Fox News portrayed them as nuts, complete with interviews of Stone Jr's distraught mother. And as much as they set Palin on a pedestal, they still criticized her for putting gunsights on her map of the Democratic members of congress that she would like to see replaced with Republicans.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-03-30 12:43
Here we are in the land of the "free" recoiling from this story of war against the US by its own citizens. The militias have been building up their forces for quite awhile now, and their legions are growing. It did not start with this administration, however. I think it was Daniel Boone's fault.

These homegrown terrorists should not be running loose while the law tries to figure out who's guilty of what. They should all be locked up with "decent" criminals, and definitely in solitary until their case comes up. Then let them be sentenced to hard labor in Siberia!

Cathy in Melbourne
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-03-30 12:48
There are numerous gods lumped together under the term "God" in the Bible.
Creator God of the Sentient Universe Gen 1
God of Law Ex 20. Thou shalt not kill, steal, covet, etc.
God of Love and Peace.
God of War, Hatred, Anger, Theft, Lust, ie, Satan. Joshua 1. This is the god worshiped by many religionists including Islam, Judaism, Christians, and Communists.
It is the god that whispered in GWBs ear saying, "invade Iraq." This same god fuels both sides of any conflict.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-06-25 13:52
Quoting David of Hawaii:
There are numerous gods lumped together under the term "God" in the Bible.
Creator God of the Sentient Universe Gen 1
God of Law Ex 20. Thou shalt not kill, steal, covet, etc.
God of Love and Peace.
God of War, Hatred, Anger, Theft, Lust, ie, Satan. Joshua 1. This is the god worshiped by many religionists including Islam, Judaism, Christians, and Communists.
It is the god that whispered in GWBs ear saying, "invade Iraq." This same god fuels both sides of any conflict.


This is on the money!
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-03-30 13:17
Quite right, Cynthia. Patterns, paranoia, reaction, etc. The same was done to blacks before and after the War Between the States. Appearances and accusations can fool many. DLT is condemning the group for their looks in a mug shot. I rest my case.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-03-31 07:58
Wrong again, Glen! Finally find someone to agree with your convoluted way of thinking? They are upset with a group of people who would openly wage a seditious war against policemen and their families. This is not merely a pattern, nor is it something to be ignored. It is not peaceful protests followed by high pressure water hoses and angry dogs being loosed on citizens. These are the actions of a group threatening the core of our system. Taking frustrations out on innocents like you claim their government did in Ruby Ridge and Waco(which I do not agree with). However, if this is so deplorable to you, then how can you condone it from anyone else as a protest from anyone, right or left, hmmm? Or is it that when someone you consider has your point of view does it, it's okay?
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-03-30 13:32
From the looks of it, it sounds like these militia zealots in Michigan were on the verge of serious violence. I'm glad that law enforcement is awake and on the job.

But also keep in mind that the FBI has been known to make serious mistakes in arrests during terrorism investigations.

Google "Brandon Mayfield" or read about it at:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5053007/

I'm just saying, let the facts come in and let these militia fanatics have their day in court.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-03-30 14:22
David Koresh is primarily responsible for what happened at Waco. He raped every young girl in his compound when she reached puberty and called it the Blood of the Lamb. How sick can you get?
If he were a man, he would have surrendered himself to FBI rather than risking harm to his mostly innocent followers. Janet Reno should have allowed his mother in to talk with him in an attempt to negotiate. However, that doesn't negate his guilt.
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-03-30 16:31
Rose, David Koresh's guilt did not justify the deaths of the women and children in that building. He could have been arrested at any time, especially when jogging through town, rather than attacking that building. Newer technology has definitively proven that the FBI/tanks/offic ers/military, are those who truly burned that building, not David Koresh. Don't trust the government reports.
 
 
+8 # mlcxcats 2010-03-30 15:37
Quoting Jeff from NJ:
This has nothing to do with FOX, Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck or Mrs. Palin...The enemy appears to be the left wing liberal press that will twist
anything in order to attack Conservatives. Wake up folks we are not getting the news as ir occurs, we are getting news that is spun to fit certain agendas.


Ahem...Beck and Limbaugh report "news" without spin "to fit certain agendas"??? HELLO!?!

Look, I love Jon Stewart and the Colbert Report for their "satire"...but never would I label those shows (or hosts) "news" (reporters).

Is that the difference between liberals and conservatives these days? The former recognize satire when they hear it. The latter, when they listen to Beck and Limbaugh, think they hear...news without spin.

As for Palin...Limbaug h's reporting of news without spin included ""We got the babe on our ticket." Yes, we've come a long way baby!

God Bless America!
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-03-30 19:56
The government waited too long after info on group involved in OK city bombing, waited too long for the Jim Jones group, and David Koresh.
If this group had Arabic names, very few would be debating their right to innocent until proven guilty. This country arrests American Muslims on regular basis which much less evidence. Terrorist are terrorist regardless of religion or ethnic background.
I am a Christian and am sick of the right wing, militia groups, and our Nation itself claiming to be Christian yet do not live by the teachings. Jesus condemned violence for any reason, we are suppose to take care of our neighbors, not store up treasures here on earth, and return love for hate.
These who pervert our faith by putting nationalism first will have their day in 'court' also.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-03-30 20:37
the difference between the left and the right is that the right judging by this motley crew have no sense of humor and a bad sense of fashion. at least the Panthers looked good. I wonder will the FBI try to destroy the right wing militias like they did the Panthers ummm . Timothy McVeigh and now these people when did militias on the left try or kill as many people as these guys. Jon Avlon has a new book about rightwing militias called Wignuts.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-03-30 23:19
What don't these supposed "Christians" get about Jesus and everything He lived and died for? They actually think he's coming back armed with C4 and an AK47 to wipe out commies? These ignorant sickos and the demagogues who whip them into treasonous frenzy to line their own political pockets need to be stopped once and for all. Also, isn't the guy who pays Glen Beck none other than Rupert Murdock, an Australian who thrives in our country by constant political manipulation and covert attacks on our government? Am I wrong about this guy? Why is no one addressing this part of the equation? What is this guy's agenda?
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-04-01 09:53
Where in the world do these militias get their money? Who is funding them? It isn't exactly cheap to arm a squadron with weapons and ammunition, outfit them in military fatigues and then purchase all the materiel needed to make bombs and IEDs. Anyone have any info on the source(s) of their funding.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-01 16:39
Don't know who funds them, but it wouldn't surprise me if it weren't the same people who fund the John Birch Society and other right-wing loonie organizations. It is a good question!
 

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