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Mother of NSA Whistleblower Reality Winner: My Daughter Was "Nailed to the Door" by the Trump Admin
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Saturday, 25 August 2018 12:59

Excerpt: "NSA whistleblower Reality Winner has been sentenced to five years and three months in prison - the longest sentence ever imposed in federal court for leaking government information to the media."

Reality Winner. (photo: Sean Rayford/Getty Images)
Reality Winner. (photo: Sean Rayford/Getty Images)


Mother of NSA Whistleblower Reality Winner: My Daughter Was "Nailed to the Door" by the Trump Admin

By Democracy Now!

25 August 18

 

SA whistleblower Reality Winner has been sentenced to five years and three months in prison—the longest sentence ever imposed in federal court for leaking government information to the media. Twenty-six-year-old Reality Winner is the first person to be sentenced under the Espionage Act since President Trump took office. Her sentencing Thursday came after she pleaded guilty in June to transmitting a top-secret document to a news organization. She had faced up to 10 years in prison. We speak with her mother, Billie Winner-Davis.

Transcript

AMY GOODMAN: NSA whistleblower Reality Winner has been sentenced to five years and three months in prison—the longest sentence ever imposed in federal court for leaking government information to the media. The 26-year-old Reality Winner is the first person to be sentenced under the Espionage Act since President Trump took office. Her sentencing Thursday came after she pleaded guilty in June to transmitting a top-secret document to a news organization. She had faced up to 10 years in prison.

This is Bobby Christine, U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Georgia, speaking after Winner’s sentencing.

BOBBY CHRISTINE: The sentence rendered today is the longest received by a defendant for an unauthorized disclosure of national defense information to the media. It appropriately satisfies the need for both punishment and deterrence, in light of the nature and seriousness of the offense. … Winner’s purposeful violation put our nation’s security at risk. … She claimed to hate America. When asked, “You don’t really hate America, right?” she responded, “I mean, yeah, I do. It’s literally the worst thing to happen on the planet.” She was the quintessential example of an insider threat.

AMY GOODMAN: Reality Winner was arrested by FBI agents at her home in Augusta, Georgia, June 3rd, 2017, two days before The Intercept published an exposé revealing Russian military intelligence conducted a cyberattack on at least one U.S. voting software company just days before the U.S. presidential election in 2016. The exposé was based on a classified NSA report from May 5th, 2017, that shows the agency is convinced the Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate, or GRU, was responsible for interfering in the 2016 presidential election.

Earlier this morning, President Trump tweeted about the case, saying, quote, “Ex-NSA contractor to spend 63 months in jail over 'classified' information. Gee, this is 'small potatoes' compared to what Hillary Clinton did! So unfair Jeff, Double Standard.” He was referring to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who he has been attacking over the last 24 hours.

For more, we’re joined by three guests who were in the courtroom Thursday during Reality Winner’s sentencing. Joining us via Democracy Now! video stream is Billie Winner-Davis, mother of Reality Leigh Winner. She’s joining us from Augusta, where Reality Winner was sentenced. In Atlanta, Georgia, Kevin Gosztola is managing editor of Shadowproof Press. He has been covering Reality’s case and has covered several whistleblower trials, including that of Chelsea Manning. He was in the courtroom on Wednesday. And in Washington, D.C., James Risen is with us, The Intercept's senior national security correspondent, a best-selling author and a former New York Times reporter, also serves as director of First Look Media's Press Freedom Defense Fund.

We welcome you all to Democracy Now! Let’s begin with Reality’s mother, Billie Winner-Davis. You were in the courtroom with your daughter. Can you explain your—can you share your reaction to her plea deal and sentencing?

BILLIE WINNER-DAVIS: Well, I think yesterday my initial reaction to the whole proceeding and the judge’s sentencing was, I was relieved that the judge did approve of the plea agreement that the parties had reached for the 63 months in prison with a 3-year supervised release. Today I’m a little bit bitter. I’m a little angry. No, I should say I’m a lot bitter today. Just processing it, knowing that she is going to be serving the longest prison sentence for this, hearing Mr. Christine’s comments about her, hearing, you know, again, that she has to be the deterrent for anyone else in America who would think of warning us, of blowing the whistle on something important like this, it’s just—it’s really hard. It’s hard, as her mother, to have to experience this and to know that she’s going to be the one who is going to set the example. She is that first leaker under Trump’s administration. She’s the first one that they intended to nail to the door as a message to others.

AMY GOODMAN: And can you share Reality’s statement yesterday before the judge?

BILLIE WINNER-DAVIS: Reality had a pretty lengthy statement that she had worked on. She basically—she let the judge know a little bit about who she was. She did share with the court that she was grateful for the professionalism that everyone had shown to her, the respectful environment. She let the court know, you know, a little bit about who she was, why she went in to serve her country. She basically went through her childhood, her relationship with her father, how 9/11 had affected her as a child, how she followed her stepbrother’s footsteps to go into the Air Force to be a linguist. She wanted to serve her country. She really had the desire to protect and defend and serve her country. I think she was trying to, you know, let the court know that although in some statements with texting with her sister she did indicate that she hates America, that that’s not really who she was. And so, she was really letting the court know a little bit about herself.

She also apologized to the court. She apologized to the government for the breach of trust. She apologized to the court and the government for the expense that she has cost them. She apologized to her family. She indicated that she knew that what she had done was wrong. She indicated that she was willing to accept responsibility and willing to move forward and accept the consequences of her actions.

AMY GOODMAN: How long has she been in jail, Billie?

BILLIE WINNER-DAVIS: She’s been in jail for about 15 months.

AMY GOODMAN: Will that be part—will time served be part of that five—more than five years in jail?

BILLIE WINNER-DAVIS: Yes, it’s my understanding that that time served will count toward her sentence, day for day.

AMY GOODMAN: When she came into the courtroom, you heard her shackles?

BILLIE WINNER-DAVIS: Yes. That was—that was really difficult. That’s the first time that we’ve heard that, I think, because typically she’s been in the courtroom downstairs, and there’s carpeting. You know, you kind of hear her shuffle. But yesterday it was very quiet when they brought her in. And when she went up to the podium, you could actually hear her leg shackles hit the floor and make that clanking sound. It’s really striking that every time that Reality has appeared in court, she has to wear the orange inmate jumpsuit. She is shackled. She is very much presented as a criminal in that court. They dehumanize her, and they portray her as a criminal.

AMY GOODMAN: Now, your daughter Reality will be incarcerated at the Federal Medical Center, Carswell in Fort Worth, Texas. Why a medical center?

BILLIE WINNER-DAVIS: That is only the recommendation at this time. That’s the recommendation that her defense team is making for her, the recommendation that a psychiatrist is making for her. And the judge actually approved of that recommendation yesterday. Whether or not she’s placed there, we won’t know. That will be up to the Bureau of Prisons to decide. But we do feel like that facility will meet her needs. My daughter does suffer from severe depression. She does suffer from bulimia. This entire situation with her being incarcerated, her inability to really control her environment, has been very difficult on her. And we’re hoping that she is placed there, so that they can meet her needs and she can get the treatment that she needs.

AMY GOODMAN: And did you speak to her? Were you able to communicate with her yesterday?

BILLIE WINNER-DAVIS: Afterward, she called me when she was back at the jail. The defense team did ask the marshals if we could be allowed, you know, a brief visit with her yesterday at the courthouse. And again, we were denied. They make this request whenever they can. And again, the marshals will not permit us to be in the same room with her.

AMY GOODMAN: We’re going to break and then come back to this discussion. We’re speaking to Billie Winner-Davis. She is the mother of Reality Winner, who has just been sentenced to more than five years for releasing intelligence, leaking a top-secret document to The Intercept. When we come back, in addition to Billie Winner-Davis, we’ll be joined by Jim Risen. He is now at The Intercept. He’s a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist. He himself has been prosecuted, under the Obama administration. And we’ll talk about that, as well. And Kevin Gosztola, longtime reporter, in the courtroom yesterday, he’ll be speaking to us from Atlanta. Stay with us.


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+2 # BetaTheta 2018-08-25 13:54
Odd, isn’t it, that Winner’s plight has not seemed to engender much outrage from the usual crowd on RSN that meticulously details the crimes of the NSA, Deep State, etc. regarding other whistle blowers. Wonder why?
 
 
+1 # tedrey 2018-08-26 08:40
Well, I guess I'm one of the "usual crowd" in thinking the uncontrolled NSA is a deadly threat to the freedoms and well-being of US citizens, but I think that Trump is quite as dangerous. And I think the "Russian collusion" claim is vastly overblown for political reasons, but I also think that Reality Winner's guilt for revealing evidence for that claim has been vastly distorted for political reasons, and have loudly said so from the start.
It is a complex world and I try to hold more than one idea in my mind at the same time; specifically, two antagonistic parties may ^both* be deceitful manipulative frauds, as I believe in these cases.
 
 
0 # LionMousePudding 2018-08-26 12:21
Gender? I know I will be down voted like heck for that, but hey guys, you answer the question.
 
 
+1 # BetaTheta 2018-08-26 14:37
Reality Winner is a true courageous patriot, just like Snowden, Manning, Kriakou, etc. for exposing “secrets” the American people have a right to know. My point above is that the nature of what she revealed has rendered her less than heroic in the eyes of not only Trump (for obvious reasons), but of others who wish to minimize or deny the Russia factor.
 
 
0 # xenonman 2018-08-25 22:29
Ms. Winner would have fared NO DIFFERENTLY under an Obama or a Hillary Clinton Administration.
 
 
+1 # Carol R 2018-08-26 05:51
Reality Winner is a whistle blower who did a public service to the United States. She provided a wake-up call by providing a document to The Intercept telling that Russian intelligence was hacking into the election systems of states.

It is a horrendous disservice to a heroine that she stood up for what is right and has to pay a penalty by spending time in prison.

Trump doesn't want people to know that he got elected because of Russian interference. He thinks only of himself. President Trump Tweeted, “Ex-NSA contractor to spend 63 months in jail over 'classified' information. Gee, this is 'small potatoes' compared to what Hillary Clinton did! So unfair Jeff, Double Standard.".

My hope is that Trump learns the hard way that 63 months in prison is no small potatoes. Those who work for him are increasingly no longer keeping their mouths shut. He is involved in a lot of illegal activities and hopefully, he will pay.
 
 
-2 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2018-08-26 07:50
"Reality Winner was arrested by FBI agents at her home in Augusta, Georgia, "


But Hillary was never arrested for the very many classified documents on her private email server or the laptops of Uma Abadin or Anthony Weiner. We have now discovered that Comey lied in his report to congress claiming the FBI looked at all 700,000 documents on Weiner's laptop. In fact, they looked at only 3,000. The Weiner part of the investigation was simply covered up.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/08/22/despite_comey_assurance_vast_bulk_of_weiner_laptop_emails_never_examined.html


The FBI investigates and prosecutes only the people it wants to. Others go free. Their crimes are covered up and buried. The FBI has always been a political police. Its work is to further the political careers of people it has chosen.

The ones it does not favor are held in shackles and solitary confinement. This is what a fascist nation look like. This is the justice of the oligarchs.
 
 
0 # BetaTheta 2018-08-26 14:40
News flash: In their spare time, when the FBI and CIA are not screwing over people both domestic and foreign, they prosecute real crimes and gather pure intelligence. Anyone who is NOT brainwashed by American self-mythology (most RSN readers, I suspect) is well aware of the real abuses of both agencies, but your characterizatio ns, as usual, lack nuance. Propaganda is black and white; the real world is not.
Informed skepticism is every citizen's duty, but not to be confused with out-and-out paranoia of the Alex Jones variety. Far too many posts here are grading into the latter. Pushing paranoia is an effective propaganda tool, as people are loathe to see themselves as gullible and uninformed about the evils surrounding them. Best to take a deep breath and a good swipe of Occam's razor when confronted with wild, dark claims.
 
 
+2 # Kootenay Coyote 2018-08-26 08:29
Another real US hero locked up for revealing national evil.
 
 
+2 # ourconstitution.info 2018-08-26 09:20
Reality may disagree with things about America, however, I am sure plenty of Americans agree (and disagree) with her. That's our right, and we have tons of opinions about everything here, including how we can be better. I for one feel that we should do away with political parties and instead use a numeric scale, or some other nonpartisan system, to gauge candidates. Even with more main parties, we would still tear each other apart, nasty comments and worse. In actually, Reality has been quite a skilled asset to America, with expertise in several middle eastern languages, and has served in the military with commendation. It would appear that she only wants the best for Our Nation. The Espionage Act needs reforming, yesterday -- how much longer is this going to go on? I look at this situation as an abuse of power and trampling on our First Amendment and Constitutional rights. It is horrid and scary that any American with important information to share with other Americans, NOT a threat to national security, can be silenced in this or any manner. Also extremely importantly, what is considered classified needs to be reexamined (also yesterday). All of America is best guided by an informed public, not stifled by those holding the power of secrets over our heads. We are an open, thinking society and these constraints fight that freedom as well as our quest to be the best America we can be, to the core. Check out these and more concerns at LINKS at ourconstitution .info.