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Rhetoric UK -V- US definition & Matt Tabbi good example today.

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Written by Rob Carter   
Wednesday, 14 August 2013 08:54
Matt Tabbi ~ Excellent 14/8/13 story of Rhetoric (Journalists & DOJ Holder Prostituted Speeches) summarise:-

Rob says: I have reduced this extreme journalism to exclude the "Rhetoric" allow just facts revealed to stand as our read for this point. I guess as it starts from 1984 Ronald Regan Republican era.

..[…]..Barack Obama's Justice Department, in the person of Attorney General Holder, didn't just grossly overstate the success of its Mortgage Fraud Task Force. They covered up by abbreviation they published as the original exposure story.

..[…].. By now most people who follow white-collar crime know the backstory. Last year, on October 9th, Mr. Holder gave a press conference in which he touted the efforts of Barack Obama's Mortgage Fraud Task Force, claiming that in a year's time, the Department had secured "285 federal criminal indictments and informations against 530 defendants for allegedly victimizing more than 73,000 American homeowners - and inflicting losses in excess of $1 billion."

..[…].. Holder was citing was a Bush-era prosecution, and multiple others had been filed long before the Task Force existed. "There is no attempt to fudge the numbers," an FBI spokesman grumbled lamely at the time.

..[…]..The DOJ issued a revised press release, admitting that it had not, in fact, prosecuted 530 individuals in the program, but 107 as Weil noted, an 80% decrease. Holder originally said the defendants had victimized more than 73,000 American homeowners. That number was revised to 17,185, while estimates of homeowner losses associated with the frauds dropped to $95 million from $1 billion.

..[…].. they basically admit to gaming the numbers for press purposes in multiple ways. The new press release reads like a Capitol Hill version of horror fiction.

..[…]..Certainly it is news when the Attorney General recites erroneous statistics, but the fact that his Department admitted to such a mistake last week would normally be in his, and its, favor.But just as clearly, one can't go back into history and change what someone said, in public, at a news conference. Nonetheless, this is, in fact, what the Department of Justice just did.The DOJ insists that in short order there will be a disclaimer on the Holder-speech page to match the disclaimer on the press-release page (UPDATE: the disclaimer is now up). As to the other obvious question, whether this is the first time this sort of history-fixing thing has been done, I'm working on that. At best, it's a pretty weird little story.

Rob Carter debates language implications ~ Personally I compare EU English -V- USA English being ~ Eu are not so rigid in Translated meaning.By far the most congenial well accepted yet intentioned insult in a journalistic doubletalk, of rhetorical chatter, may be the word "rhetoric".

In itself this word really means a lie, by the speaker, or at best 'insincere' in intent. Still ,we can get away with calling a journalist, or politician rhetorical and he accepts it as meaning his "eloquence of phraseology" he can put it off as complementary of his unchallenged florid oratory, when in fact we have directly challenged his veracity.

When English Europeans say his rhetorical speech, we mean not to be relied on, or possible just lies.

In American English he takes that as complementary of his florid use of fancy words that the reader does not fully comprehend ~ thus that we are fooled into belief of his half truths, or his bluff is so convincingly executed by 'the BRILLIANCE OF HIS YANKEE SUPERIORITY in this World of non-American moronic inferiors', such as is this era of American arrogance, the commonly held perception among experts on many an English speaking forum outside USA.

Whereas Shakespeare summed that "word" itself is a pedantic error of application very often VIZ., Juliet "What's in a name" 'she said and sighed, & then she sighed, clasped her little hands and rolled her eyes' "A rose by any name would still smell sweet".

Americans are so hell-bent on rhetoric as journalists & politicians fight with words. Any average person becomes very rigid in their application of such words. Thus the writing or speech translates as rhetoric still stinks of lies.

Even Shakespeare Juliet was speaking uninformed rhetoric there. Had he the slightest experience with horticulture of the rose, he would realize that the "HT" common shapely hybrid tea is not (the less handsome perfumed polyanthus rose) hence has been so GMO'd by man & nature (for shape & beauty) that the perfume is often lost forever.

Lets take just one example "Peanut Butter" to the Yankee Doodle Player, that means it is like vegetable oil margarine a substitute for butter and they put apple jelly on buttered bread, thus on peanut pasted bread they add apple jelly, to end up with a sweet & savory confused spread taste.

To the Englishman USA peanut "butter", is peanut "paste" and alternate spread for bread. Virtually the same, in that means we butter the bread, even with margarine not butter, we call it buttered, then we put the peanut paste/butter on top of the margarine/butter, we class as a savory paste on buttered bread and we do not put sweets (apple jelly = jam) on top of savory spread.

So we can butter bread with butter or margarine made from peanut oil. It really isn't butter, but to a Yankee it is vegetable butter un-cowed.

Thus we can also paste the bread with peanut-butter, and call it buttered bread when it is merely pasted and allow that as the same animal on which to top with jams?

My father, (God save his rotting atheist/agnostic soul) once studied that word rhetoric as applied by Yankee Journalists & Politicians alike: he followed UK's Oxford not USA Webster's of course (Dad half Italian Aussie) "rhetoric" = florid oratory, = prostituted speech, akin to oral harlotry Viz., Oxford says:-

Rhetoric ~ Noun is:-
1/ (formal, often disapproving) speech or writing that is intended to influence people, but that is not completely honest or sincerethe rhetoric of political slogansempty rhetoricHis speech was dismissed as mere rhetoric by the opposition.
2/ (formal) the skill of using language in speech or writing in a special way that influences or entertains peopleSynonym of eloquence, oratory.

Rhetorical ~ adjective
1/ (of a question) asked only to make a statement or to produce an effect rather than to get an answer ‘Don't you care what I do?’ he asked, but it was a rhetorical question.
2/ (formal, often disapproving) (of a speech or piece of writing) intended to influence people, but not completely honest or sincere
3/ (formal) connected with the art of rhetoric ~ the use of rhetorical devices such as metaphor and irony (Americans love satire a complete lie)She ended her speech with a rhetorical flourish.

Rhetorically Adverb Rhetoric
Do you think I'm stupid?’ she asked rhetorically.

A rhetorically structured essay or Non Rhetorical :-

Rob says: Actually I would answer any woman using such rhetorical question, by my honest/sincerity one answer suitable, in any application "Yes of course." and 75+% of the women I know would take that as complementary to themselves, because that is how they want to hear any man's answer all the time.

Now just compare Webster's American Dictionary view ~ Totally opposites.

Oxford indicates less than honest whereas Webster's Americans say "persuasive communication" only as an afterthought says 'a type or mode of language or speech'; also : insincere or grandiloquent language ~ I read that "Insincere" as most of what politicians talk" and/or "Grandiloquent" as used by most journalists and many Politicians in the same "insincere" false pretenses.

Webster's explains "Definition of GRANDILOQUENCE" as : a lofty, extravagantly colorful, pompous, or bombastic style, manner, or quality especially in language

Dad said (Fancy or florid oratory) close enough to suggest speech created for sale by prostitute writers/speakers, ie., American Politicians & Journalists?

Rhetoric Noun 1/ the art of speaking or writing effectively: as
a/ the study of principles and rules of composition formulated by critics of ancient times
b/ the study of writing or speaking as a means of communication or persuasion

2/ as speech a skilled communicative Double-talk
a/ skill in the effective use of speech
b/ a type or mode of language or speech
c/ usually insincere or grandiloquent language

3/ verbal communication : discourse

Examples of RHETORIC
1. a college course in rhetoric
2.
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