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Moore writes: "The winter gives us an amazing opportunity to expand our actions against the captains of capitalism who have occupied our homes with their fraudulent mortgage system which has tossed millions of families out onto the curb; a cruel health care system that has told 50 million Americans 'if you can't afford a doctor, go F yourself'; a student loan system that sends 22-year-olds into an immediate 'debtors' prison' of working lousy jobs for which they didn't go to school but now have to take because they're in hock for tens of thousands of dollars for the next two decades; and a jobs market that keeps 25 million Americans un- or under - employed - and much of the rest of the workers forced to accept wage cuts, health care reductions and zero job security."

Portrait, Michael Moore, 04/03/09. (photo: Ann-Christine Poujoulat/Getty)
Portrait, Michael Moore, 04/03/09. (photo: Ann-Christine Poujoulat/Getty)



The Winter of Our Occupation

By Michael Moore, Open Mike Blog

07 December 11

 

nd now it is winter. Wall Street rejoices, hoping that the change of seasons will mean a change in our spirit, our commitment to stop them.

They couldn't be more wrong. Have they not heard of Washington and the troops at Valley Forge? The Great Flint Sit-Down Strike in the winter of 1936-37? The Michigan Wolverines crushing Ohio State in the 1950 Blizzard Bowl? When it comes to winter, it is the time historically when the people persevere and the forces of evil make their retreat!

We are not even 12 weeks old, yet Occupy Wall Street has grown so fast, so big, none of us can keep up with the hundreds of towns who have joined the movement, or the thousands of actions - some of them just simple ones in neighborhoods, schools and organizations - that have happened. The national conversation has been irreversibly changed. Now everyone is talking about how the 1% are getting away with all the money while the 99% struggle to make ends meet. People are no longer paralyzed by despair or apathy. Most know that now is the time to reclaim our country from the bankers, the lobbyists - and their gofers: the members of the United States Congress and the 50 state legislatures.

And they're crazy if they think that a little climate chaos (otherwise known as winter in the 21st century) that they've helped to bring about is going to stop us.

I would like to propose to my Occupying sisters and brothers that there are many ways to keep Occupy Wall Street going through the winter months. There is perhaps no better time to move the movement indoors for a few months - and watch it grow even bigger! (For those who have the stamina to maintain the outdoor occupations, by all means, keep it up - and the rest of us will do our best to help you and keep you warm!)

The winter gives us an amazing opportunity to expand our actions against the captains of capitalism who have occupied our homes with their fraudulent mortgage system which has tossed millions of families out onto the curb; a cruel health care system that has told 50 million Americans "if you can't afford a doctor, go F yourself"; a student loan system that sends 22-year-olds into an immediate "debtors' prison" of working lousy jobs for which they didn't go to school but now have to take because they're in hock for tens of thousands of dollars for the next two decades; and a jobs market that keeps 25 million Americans un- or under-employed - and much of the rest of the workers forced to accept wage cuts, health care reductions and zero job security.

But we in the Occupy Movement reject this version of the "American Dream." Instead, I suggest we shift our focus for this winter to the following actions:

Occupy the Winter
A proposal to the General Assembly of Occupy Wall Street from Michael Moore

1. Occupy Our Homes. Sorry, banks, a roof over one's head is a human right, and you will no longer occupy our homes through foreclosure and eviction because well, you see, they are our homes, not yours. You may hold the mortgage; you don't hold the right to throw us or our neighbors out into the cold. With almost one in three home mortgages currently in foreclosure, nearing foreclosure or "underwater," the Occupy Movement must form local "Occupy Strike Forces" to create human shields when the banks come to throw people out of their homes. If the foreclosure has already happened, then we must help families move back into their foreclosed homes - literally (see this clip from my last film to watch how a home re-occupation is accomplished). Beginning today, Take Back the Land, plus many other citizens' organizations nationwide, are kicking off Occupy Our Homes. Numerous actions throughout the day today have already resulted in many families physically taking back their homes. This will continue every day until the banks are forced to stop their fraudulent practices, until homeowners are allowed to change their mortgage so that it reflects the true value of their homes, and until those who can no longer afford a mortgage are allowed to stay in their homes and pay rent. I beseech the news media to cover these actions - they are happening everywhere. Evictions, though rarely covered (you need a Kardashian in your home as you're being evicted to qualify for news coverage) are not a new story this scene I filmed in 1988). Also, please remember the words of Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur of Toledo (in 'Capitalism: A Love Story'): Do not leave your homes if the bank forecloses on you! Let them take you to court and then YOU ask the judge to make them produce a copy of your mortgage. They can't. It was chopped up a hundred different ways, bundled with a hundred other mortgages, and sold off to the Chinese. If they can't produce the mortgage, they can't evict you.

2. Occupy Your College. In nearly every other democracy on the planet, students go to college for free or almost free. Why do those countries do that? Because they know that for their society to advance, they must have an educated population. Without that, productivity, innovation and an informed electorate is stunted and everyone suffers as a result. Here's how we do it in the U.S.A.: make education one of our lowest priorities, graduate students who know little about the world or their own government or the economy, and then force them into crushing debt before they even have their first job. That way has really worked well for us, hasn't it? It's made us the world leader in … in … well, ok, we're like 27th or 34th in everything now (except war). This has to end. Students should spend this winter doing what they are already doing on dozens of campuses - holding sit-ins, occupying the student loan office, nonviolently disrupting the university regents meetings, and pitching their tents on the administration's lawn. Young people - we, the '60s generation, promised to create a better world for you. We got halfway there - now you have to complete the job. Do not stop until these wars are ended, the Pentagon budget is cut in half, and the rich are forced to pay their taxes. And demand that that money go to your education. We'll be there with you on all of this! And when we get this fixed and you graduate, instead of being $40,000 in debt, go see the friggin' world, or tinker around in your garage a la the two Steves, or start a band. Enjoy life, discover, explore, experiment, find your way. Anything but the assistant manager at Taco Bell.

3. Occupy Your Job. Let's spend the winter organizing workplaces into unions. OR, if you already have a union, demand that your leaders get off their ass and get aggressive like our grandparents did. For chrissakes, surely you know we would not have a middle class if it weren't for the strikes of the 1930s-1950s?! In three weeks we will celebrate the 75th anniversary of the workers in my hometown of Flint, Michigan taking over and occupying the General Motors factories for 44 days in the dead of winter. Their actions ignited a labor movement that lifted tens of millions out of poverty and into the middle class. It's time to do it again. (According to the Census Bureau and the New York Times, 100 million Americans either live in or near poverty. Disgraceful. Greed has destroyed the core fabric of our communities. Enough!) Here are two good unions to get your fellow workers to sign up and join: UE and SEIU. The CWA are also good. Here's how to get a quick primer in organizing your place of employment (don't forget to be careful while you do this!). If your company is threatening to close down and move the jobs elsewhere, then it's time to occupy the workplace (again, you can get a lesson in how to successfully occupy your factory from my movie).

4. Occupy Your Bank. This is an easy one. Just leave them. Move your checking and your credit card to a nonprofit credit union. It's safe and the decisions made there aren't based on greed. And if a bank tries to evict your neighbor, Occupy the local branch with 20 other people and call the press. Post it on the internet.

5. Occupy the Insurance Man. It's time to not only stand up for the 50 million without health insurance but to also issue a single, simple demand: The elimination of for-profit, privately-controlled health insurance companies. It is nothing short of barbaric to allow businesses to make a profit off people when they get sick. We don't allow anyone to make a profit when we need the fire department or the police. Until recently we would never allow a company to make a profit by operating in a public school. The same should be true for when you need to see a doctor or stay in the hospital. So I say it's long overdue for us to go and Occupy Humana, United Health, Cigna and even the supposed "nonprofit" Blue Crosses. An action on their lawns, in their lobbies, or at the for-profit hospitals - this is what is needed.

So - there are my ideas for the five places we can Occupy this winter. Help the foreclosed-upon to Occupy their homes. Occupy your college campus, especially the student loan office and the regents meetings. Occupy your job by getting everyone to sign a union card - or by refusing to let the CEO ship your job overseas. Occupy your Chase or Citi or Bank of America branch by closing your account and moving it to a credit union. And Occupy the insurance company offices, the pharmaceutical companies' headquarters and the for-profit hospitals until the White House and Congress pass the true single-payer universal health care bill they failed to pass in 2010.

My friends, the rich are running scared right now. You need no further proof of this than to read this story from last week. The Republicans' top strategist met privately with them and told them that they had better change their tune or they were going to be crushed by the Occupy Wall Street movement. They didn't have to change their greedy actions, he assured them - just the way they talk and PR the situation. He told them never to use the word "capitalism" - it has now been made a dirty word by the Occupy movement, he said. Only say "economic freedom" from now on, he cautioned. And don't criticize the movement - because the majority of Americans either agree with it or are feeling the same way. Just tell the Occupiers and the distressed Americans: "I get it." Seriously.

Yes, in just 12 short weeks we have killed their most sacred word - Capitalism - and we have them on the run, on the defensive. They should be. Millions are coming after them and our only goal is to remove them from power and replace them with a fair system that is controlled by the 99%. The 1% have been able to get both political parties to do their bidding. Why should only 1% of the population get to have two parties - and the rest of us have none? That, too, is going to change. In my next letter, I will suggest what we can do to Occupy the Electoral Process. But first we must start with those who pull the strings of the puppets in the Congress. That's why it's called Occupy Wall Street. Always better to deal with man in charge, don't you think?

Let's Occupy the Winter! An #OWS Winter will certainly lead to a very hopeful American Spring.

 

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+44 # rocco816 2011-12-07 16:37
Occupy points out all the greed and unfairness in our country. Occupy doesn't need to stand for anything specific and that's something!
 
 
+44 # pernsey 2011-12-07 16:38
GO OWS Winter!! It all sounds good to me.
 
 
+34 # cvm79 2011-12-07 18:13
Don't forget the patriots who occupied the Ardennes to save us from the very Fascism that grips us.
 
 
+21 # soularddave 2011-12-08 03:58
And we're still with the Veterans, and the VETS are with us. We took an oath "to defend against enemies, both foreign and domestic". 99% of Vets are on OUR SIDE of the line. We understand who's taking from whom.
 
 
+10 # Torvus 2011-12-08 11:31
Never ever forgotten, and thank you. At least you are recognising Fascism in your own country, so can fight it from within.
 
 
+30 # carolharveysf 2011-12-07 22:20
This month, I divested my 14-year Bank of American account and occupied my local San Francisco Fire Credit Union. Boy, did that make me feel good! When I take my last $35 bucks out of my BOA account, I'm going to make a Michael Moore type video event out of it and explain to those F*ers the atrocities they committed that forced me to dump them after all these years.
 
 
+16 # sabiha1 2011-12-07 22:37
The Occupy Movement has to move to Universities to make it really relevant.Thoseb most likely to be affected by the bitter fruits of Capitalism is the next generation;as also the people most likely to make a difference by choosing who rules them and makes decisions for them.
 
 
+3 # Riley1 2011-12-07 23:08
There is something fundamental you missed Michael. It's all very well ramming home the distasteful truth to people that have to face the pain of being the slaves of the corporate state and those that exploit them.
Sadly do not have the space to Outline those ways here.However as your have the platform I am sure you can offer that.
 
 
+6 # jwb110 2011-12-08 09:08
Quoting Riley1:
There is something fundamental you missed Michael. It's all very well ramming home the distasteful truth to people that have to face the pain of being the slaves of the corporate state and those that exploit them.
Sadly do not have the space to Outline those ways here.However as your have the platform I am sure you can offer that.


I read an article on another site that showed that the US has the smallest "shadow economy" in the G8. Countries like Italy, Greece and Spain have huge shadow economies. The same thing can happen hear. I think as a nation we need to understand that the 1% may own Washington but we as 99%ers can put "back pressure" on the economy to decrease our taxation on our end of the spectrum and in so doing force capital into the system from the top. Every tax break for the 1% is actually a subsidy paid fro by the lowest earners in the country. If the taxes the 99% pay dry up there also goes the source of the subsidies for the 1%.
If you can make work a cash and carry business, do it.
 
 
+19 # Rita Walpole Ague 2011-12-08 00:40
Those of us who actively support Occupy, and who have been fortunate enough to avoid eviction from our home, can help keep this sooooo needed movement of truth aimed at creating real McCoy CHANGE keep going strong this winter by opening our doors and floors to the sister and brother occupiers who need a warm place to stay and food to eat.

More love, more caring, more giving, more sharing (ML,MC,MG,MS).. .it's driving the evil greed and power addicted 1% crazy and their police state minions into brutalize and torture mode, to think that maybe their evil attempt to enslave the 99% may be coming to an end.

Truly good and godly ML,MC,MG,MS can actually replace the greed and power addicted villainaires' MSD (manipulation, spin, distraction). We Occupiers ain't goin' away, even with use of clubs, tear gas, Tasers and pepper spray.
 
 
+12 # Fight the Reich 2011-12-08 01:27
QUOTE: "The winter gives us an amazing opportunity to expand our actions against the captains of capitalism".

I appreciate Mr. Moore's restraint; But personally I think it is much better and more accurately said:

The winter gives us an amazing opportunity to expand our actions against the captains of capitaliist scumbags' criminal fraud and deception.
 
 
+16 # kidfrombrooklyn 2011-12-08 03:08
Someone ought to come up with a pin or an armband that signals "I have moved my money out of the big banks into a small institution." How about a green armband? It would encourage others. I dis-occupied Chase!
 
 
+11 # WLawpsh 2011-12-08 04:23
How about we occupy the courts and make them address the constitutional law of peace instead of continuing in willful blindness to apply instead the federal imperial statutes' law of war?
 
 
-45 # Robt Eagle 2011-12-08 04:46
Sounds like no one is resposible except for those who have worked hard and become successfull. Everyone else should be able to get anything for free with no responsibility for their bad choices or lack of success because they have been kept down by the big bad corporations. How about that smart phone, vehicle, or computer you are using? Big bad corporations developed those creating jobs in the process.
 
 
+27 # BradFromSalem 2011-12-08 07:11
Robt Eagle,

Do you really think that innovation only occurs at big corporations? I bet you didn't stop to think that at one time Apple was an innovative company when it was in a garage. Providing minimal cost education has been part of what resulted in America being the world leader that it is.

Jefferson created the University of VA to provide an affordable college education. Lincoln began the Land Grant colleges to bring modern innovations to our then predominate industry, agriculture. After WW2 we vaulted ahead of entire world, helped in no small way by the GI Bill. And lastly, in the 1960's the Community College system was an essential part of the War on Poverty, which was the only war we won after WW2. The ascension of neo-liberal economics right after victory, brought on the return of poverty to America.

Corporations are amoral, non people. You sound as if you are not just thinking of them as people, but also crowning them as royalty.
 
 
-2 # CandH 2011-12-08 10:01
FYI--Xerox, a large, DoD funded, behemoth created Apple's core technologies, that Jobs & Wozniak, who were DoD hand-picked to run with the technology, handsomely profited from obviously (lovely "rugged-individ ual-hollywoodes que" sentiment cr*p though...)

MS...same sort of thing. FB...same sort of thing too. Google, Intel...It's universal in DoD-funded circles--let the DoD pay for the research, and then they hand-pick the "Corporate Innovator Icons," (with DoD hand-picked venture capitalists,) to fit the sentimental-hol lywoodesque story they prop up around them.

They are canned stories and icons. Why do that? Can't have an "American Dream" without some examples to get the masses into believing it, or believing that the stock markets aren't rigged, or believing that "banks [don't] own the place," as Sen Durbin commented that they, in fact, do own Congress. It's Disney, a la DoD-style...
 
 
+4 # BradFromSalem 2011-12-08 12:02
Hand picked? Who did this? Were the "winners" notified by mail or did a general ring their doorbell at 3 AM handing the winners an envelope detailing their prize.

Are you sure it was actually the DoD and not an escaped alien from Area 51? Or just a just an exhausted alien hiding out amongst us like in 'The Man Who Fell to Earth'?

And then there is the 98% likelihood that like everything else, they just happened to be they persons that saw potential in a technology, were lucky enough to introduce it to the right people, ruthless enough to crush their competition.

Please lay off the pot, you are starting to get really paranoid; and that is totally freaking out Big Brother.

(PS If you really want to get into the paranoid trip, read The Traveller by John Twelve Hawks. Great book)
 
 
+17 # jon 2011-12-08 07:20
Robt,

When was the last time you were laid off from a job because it had been sent to China or India?

Also, did you know that Reagan initiated a scheme that allows American corporations to write off all of their expenses to do so. That is a subsidy, or corporate welfare.

Thirty years of jobs leaking overseas.
 
 
+13 # Okieangels 2011-12-08 07:48
Really??? You're good with bailouts for big banks, corporate-owned politicians, corporate monopolies, off-shore tax havens, congressional insider trading, etc, etc, etc???
 
 
+20 # davidhp 2011-12-08 07:51
You obviously measure success as the ability to make masses of money. Trading derivatives, currency and commodities on Wall St is not production - it is manipulation of a corrupted economic system which favors those with money and ignores the needs of the people. I don't measure success by how many workers are exploited to make profit. That is what the movement is about.
 
 
+15 # reiverpacific 2011-12-08 09:42
Quoting Robt Eagle:
Sounds like no one is resposible except for those who have worked hard and become successfull. Everyone else should be able to get anything for free with no responsibility for their bad choices or lack of success because they have been kept down by the big bad corporations. How about that smart phone, vehicle, or computer you are using? Big bad corporations developed those creating jobs in the process.

In the oft-quoted words of Reagan "There you go again!"
No one wants anything for nothing -just a fair share of the potential wealth and an opportunity to innovate and be rewarded even modestly for one's effort without having to guard against the incursions or bully-takeovers by monopolists to buy cheaply or threaten to erase the truly creative and innovative work of anyone who is a perceived threat.
How many incredibly planet and money-saving devices and inventors have been put down, threatened and even killed by huge corporations for refusing to sell or trying to keep the fruits of their innovations.
Remember (if your selective consciousness will allow it ) the destruction of the rail system in the 1940's and 50's so that people HAD to use private vehicles and ramp up the pollution of the country and the planet since -and the innovation that goes on in the name of war and aggressive destruction of other nations and the planet?
You are all upside-down again: have a nice, selective day.
 
 
+12 # Torvus 2011-12-08 11:39
Robt Eagle is so unaware, so blind, so self-righteous, so narrow-minded, so self-centred, that he thinks we owe a living to corporations???
 
 
+1 # Fight the Reich 2011-12-09 22:58
yyyyyyYEP ....that's quite exactly what the very high-tech, reich-wing, literal brainwashing propaganda machine has done to an astonishing number of peoples brains to be just as you described. It's those very vulnerable human natures that the machine's expert psy ops targets, massages and gives glorified license to and promotes it to the hilt, with devastating effect on otherwise mostly good and well intended peoples brains. The MIC / Amairka Inc. empire's covert psy ops hand picks broadcast media puppet prostitutes that have a proven record of those sick human traits, ....who then all ad-lib from the same empire script outlines simultaneously at any given time. The machine and it's terribly obvious results was the very reason / intent that the raygun administration deregulated broadcast media ownership and content, for an already created media cartel to buy up the vast majority of broadcast stations to simultaneously broadcast prolificly deceptive and lying empire scripts. And right away the likes of rush limberger and puke gingrich jumped the gun, mistakenly thought that the empire had finally seized our government, and had to be yanked from TV's high visibility by the empire because their reich-wing egotistical giddiness was making their pants sticky right in front of media cameras before the brainwashing machine could even get set up and refined to what it became in just a very few years.
 
 
+16 # Ken Hall 2011-12-08 04:50
Those of us who aren't out there with them, for whatever reason, need to support them in every way we can. There are websites, including firedoglake, where donations are accepted that may keep OWS fed and clothed during the hard times. Power to the people!
 
 
+12 # ilenewells 2011-12-08 05:54
Dear Mr. Moore, while you Occupy these various places, please think about the 4% of US Adults with serious mental illness who are "occupying" the streets - i.e. are homeless - who are "occupying" prison - i.e. we are criminalizing mental illness, and who are "occupying" their graves - i.e. who die, on average, 25 years sooner than the rest of you 96%.

Please read my essay on this site -Reader Supported News entitled "I WAS A PERSON" to find out one of the biggest causes for this. if you go down to the last comment you will also find out the number in prison that I used was off by half, and that is not counting those with addictions.
 
 
+11 # ilenewells 2011-12-08 06:30
Also, Mr. Moore, since you are from Michigan, a recent Detroit Free Press spread was entitled "The New Asylum" and under that read that Michigan closed the state hospitals to save money. Now Michigan treats the mentally ill in prison (rather poorly I might add) at three times the cost.

Please write about this. People with serious mental illness do not have a voice - be their voice. I am just the sister of a man who had severe schizophrenia and was pushed into independent living he could not handle. You have a big voice and can reach more people than I could ever imagine. The people in your home state, and in every states in this country are suffering because, in part, of federally sanctioned discrimination.
 
 
+14 # fredboy 2011-12-08 06:35
One of the greatest challenges to the Occupy movement and all who support it is understanding the cruel beliefs and policies of the other side. "Let him die!" following a medical insurance question at a GOP debate. Laying off thousands, while pocketing million dollar bonuses.

I urge all of you to read "The Science of Evil--On Empathy and the Origins of Cruelty" by Simon Baron-Cohen. It focuses on empathy and the lack of empathy, including causation. It is one of the most meaningful and important books you will ever read.
 
 
-19 # Robt Eagle 2011-12-08 11:02
So, my small business, where there are a half dozen hard working people employed, and everyone is making a good wage, especially me because I started the company and have taken all the risks...I deserve to pay more taxes because others haven't worked as hard, or smarter, or longer hours, or sacrificed as much? All Americans who are small business owners should pay more tax so that the less fortunate get bailed out from their poor choices, like buying a home they could not afford and a mortgage where they couldn't make the payments? I guess those folks were forced to do that. If you want business to hire more people, you must realize that taxing them more reduces their ability to hire people, plain and simple. Forcing employers to pay for workers' health insurance will surely cause businesses to go out of business and less jobs will be available. Wanting to take care of everyone who has fallen on bad times on the backs of the wealthy will destroy this country, just as it has done in Europe with socialism. Capitalism and rewarding those who work harder and smarter is the only way to employ those who need the jobs created by the business owners. Reality folks, reality!
 
 
+9 # davidhp 2011-12-08 12:37
Capitalism rewards those who exploit the most people, business owners don't work any harder than those who do the work on which their profits are made. Quit patting yourself on your back and begin to understand that the people who work for someone else are hard workers whose pay has stagnated for the last 30 years while the business owners personal profits have soared. That is the reality not your version the capitalist American dream for exploiters.
 
 
+9 # reiverpacific 2011-12-08 13:19
Quoting Robt Eagle:
Wanting to take care of everyone who has fallen on bad times on the backs of the wealthy will destroy this country, just as it has done in Europe with socialism. Capitalism and rewarding those who work harder and smarter is the only way to employ those who need the jobs created by the business owners. Reality folks, reality!

Bull-pucky (11).
If there were universal health care and progressive (as in fair and scaled) taxation I (also a small business owner) could hire people as I would'nt have to worry about providing private expensive and generally inadequate coverage (which is still an option in Europe if you want it).
Working "harder and smarter" for somebody else is exploitation (another name for Capitalism) and there is more to life than working hard and shopping harder.
If I had a bit more going for me right now, I'd give anybody who worked for me a chance to put a little back in the business (as well as credit for any innovative concept they could come up with) and become an owner or part shareholder but as it is, I'm struggling to get back on my feet due to the crimes of the 1% for which you constantly make excuses.
Now 'scuse me -I have work to do!
 
 
+8 # BradFromSalem 2011-12-08 13:33
Robt,

I am not sure about who works harder. How do you measure that? However, in a progressive tax arrangement, you as an owner are entitled to pay yourself whatever you want. Your employees are entitled, in a free economy to challenge your decision to assume that your work is harder and smarter, and more important than theirs. They do this by joining together in a union. Fair enough?
Now lets go one step further. As a society as a whole, for you to gather large portions of the country's wealth, you and others like you begin to create an aristocracy. This is considered harmful to political freedom, because the aristocracy becomes a ruling class. So the tax system is used to force a balancing of the power of the aristocracy, where their wealth is taken and used to provide opportunity for rest of the population. The only small business owners that will pay more taxes than their workers are those that keep excess profit for themselves, be that 100K/year or 1M/year.

Our country did just fine when very rich people were taxed at rates up to 90%; explain how that computes into your argument.
 
 
+2 # Fight the Reich 2011-12-10 02:21
To R.E: ~~~ Hmmmm ....let's see if I get what yer saying right (and bear with me here because I'm challenged to make much common sense out of reich-wing ego gibberish): Your employees are supposed to pay their "fair share" of taxes while you pay a less fair share ....meaning they are paying some of your fair share, ....so you can make more money and hire more people to pay more of your taxes so you can make yet more money!?? Does that repeat itself until you pay no taxes at all? Doesn't that sound a bit like business welfare? Sounds to me like you've been eating way too much Rush Limburger cheese.
 
 
+4 # Bodiotoo 2011-12-10 16:38
Yes Robert, you get to pay more taxes because you are successful...no t necessarily a higher %...just a larger bottom line...and you still make more than your employees. Yes you took the risk...they make you the earnings...I paid my employees fairly, better than most...and I get loyalty and the work I need done. Fair is fair. I honestly don't need to short change the Soc. Sec. funding right now...let my "break" drop and lets not only restore the former tax rate, lets add 25 to any body making a million or more. FYI: 61 White Male, home owner, self employed. I support OWS and do it proudly.
 
 
0 # mebemo 2011-12-11 09:45
Robt,

Does the concept "Love one another" ring a bell? Tell us how you would design a society based on that principle.

If you think people should be punished for making "poor choices," you must think being born into a ghetto or trailer park family rather than the Kardashians or Kochs is the baby's choice.
 
 
-11 # Riley1 2011-12-08 12:49
Here is the continuation of my earlier piece... It failed to print here...

What you fail to see Michael is that people are weary of this pain and are not in a position to fight back against this terrible repression. When they do they are pummelled into submission by a militarised police force and a patriot act that has taken away all hard earned freedoms. People are tired of it all Michael. All that happens is they loose jobs and earn criminal records an exercise that leaves them worse off. If they listen to your rhetoric which promotes fighting back it seems your view from the armchair is very admirable. However you can afford to say what you say. Remember you are not in the same position as them. “Michael you have money”. And that buys you out of this awful sick game played by the corporate state for their further enrichment and pleasure. You can afford to pay for body guards. You are not one of the little people Michael. Far from it. It is obvious you have a Machiavellian nature. However what you say is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. In saying it you give people more misery Michael when they confront the state in the way you promote. There are much better ways to change the status quo .Please Michael spare the people the pain they suffer. And show them a better way. Sadly do not have the space to Outline those ways here.
However as your have the platform I am sure you can offer that.
 
 
+11 # fredboy 2011-12-08 12:51
Robt Eagle, I am sorry small business is such a challenge. My brother has grown a highly successful small business for more than 30 years and has managed to insure every employee.

The big picture here is many of the nation's wealthiest--esp ecially those enjoying the massive bonus benefits of the financial sector--CREATED THE PROBLEMS THAT HURT SO MANY AND CAUSED THEM TO FALL "ON BAD TIMES." Are you implying that the current status quo--allowing them to keep dealing recklessly, not punishing them for past wrongs, and continuing to give them tax breaks and bailouts--are you saying that's what you support? That is what is killing America.
 
 
-18 # Robt Eagle 2011-12-08 14:55
Fredboy, punish those responsible for allowing the problem to occur. Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd, along with the execs at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should all be prosecuted and put in jail for their wrong doings (read Gretchen Morgenson's "Reckless Endangerment". The SEC and other regulators who allowed Wall Street to do the shenanigans should also go to jail. The execs at S&P and Moody's should also go to jail for failing to do their jobs. And Eric Holder should be prosecuted for allowing too many things to go badly (read "Injustice". Obama is a disaster and he should be held accountable for wasting 1.3 trillion dollars in stimulus. Going after large corporations is short sighted and not based upon reality. Most people in America are employed by small business owners and taxing them to help the poor and needy is lunacy, but it gives some warm fuzzy feelings to hurt them. Big business creates some fantastic stuff that we all enjoy and make our lives easier. Of course they should pay their fare share of tax, but Congress lets them get away with it through loopholes. So, lets vote out all the encumbents and put in patriots. Risk has its rewards, and the business owners who put up money, hard sweat and tears to create a business deserve the rewards more than their workers who didn't risk anything. That is just life. The smart and hard workers surely deserve more than those who are ignorant and lazy, at least that was what I was taught in school.
 
 
+8 # reiverpacific 2011-12-08 15:25
[quote Robt Eagle] "Going after large corporations is short sighted and not based upon reality. Most people in America are employed by small business owners and taxing them to help the poor and needy is lunacy, but it gives some warm fuzzy feelings to hurt them. Big business creates some fantastic stuff that we all enjoy and make our lives easier. Of course they should pay their fare share of tax, but Congress lets them get away with it through loopholes".
Only problem is, big business OWNS Congress et al except for a few brave souls like Bernie Sanders and Al Franken, thereby limiting the possibilities for small businesses.
You have condemned (and rightly in places) some incumbents and high officials but have never proposed effective replacements with constructive ideas or concepts; please flesh out y'r negatives with some suggestions or join the chorus of mindless "NO!".
"Risk has its rewards".
No shit! I don't see the patsies in congress and the nay-sayers taking any risks, nor the big monopolists. It's we at the bottom who take the risks, not the inheritors of the wealth which currently pollutes the economy and stifles enterprise and creativity! -And even you must acknowledge that you have to be wealthy to even consider running for office!
Also, the jingoistic expression "Patriots" is very narrow and open to interpretation.
Finally, d'you believe all you were taught in school unquestioningly ? Tut-tut!
 
 
+5 # davidhp 2011-12-08 15:25
Lunacy is greedy exploiters who think they have theirs and they have no responsibility to society. The greed mongers and the politicians who protect them by eliminating regulatory laws, stop workers from organizing unions, and insure taxes for the rich are at lower rates than working people pay are the criminals. Exploitation of workers for excessive profit which by the way is not being used to create jobs is a crime against society. Because someone owns a business does not mean they work harder or are smarter than anyone else, but not wanting to provide the benefits to the workers who make your business and profits possible does make them greedier.
 
 
+6 # julsol 2011-12-08 16:08
Just wanted to tell you Michael, you are right on the spot. Can you believe that I am 67 year old, retired early, with an income less than $1000, good for nothing. I am still paying a student loan, and if I get behind the harrassment is terrible. Early in the morning, and evening the calls don't stop.
 
 
-2 # Riley1 2011-12-10 11:21
This site seems too overtly partisan. It progressively gets more robot like by the day. It seems house a great many cheerleader like lemmings intolerant of valid criticism. Its scribblers pat each other on the back for the feel good factor. I should imagine very few have ever stood in the streets fighting for peoples rights. They seem more like smug self satisfied armchair scribblers here. It takes a few words from that archetypal guru Michael More to make them squeal with delight praising his every word. That rich man is not one of the game changes he professes to be. He is a foremost rabble-rouser sniping from the sidelines protected by his own bodyguards urging the poor lambs that actually man the occupy movement barricades to rebel against the full panoply of state repression that uses militarised police forces throughout the nation to arrest and harass them all the time .Michael More is always seen keeping his distance and only presents himself for photo opportunities and the sound bite. How many people have noticed that? How many of the sacrificial lambs have their own body guards to protect them? I would imagine if More had to spend a few days in the pokey without his wine and gourmet meals he would never be seen anywhere near a protest movement again. If I am wrong about Michael I apologise sincerely. If I am right we have laid to rest another false prophet of the so called progressive movement
 

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