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Krugman writes: "It's possible that the polls are systematically biased - and this bias has to encompass almost all the polls."

Portrait, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, 06/15/09. (photo: Fred R. Conrad/NYT)
Portrait, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, 06/15/09. (photo: Fred R. Conrad/NYT)



Reporting That Makes You Stupid

By Paul Krugman, The New York Times

04 November 12

 

oday's Financial Times bears a banner headline on p.1: "US election hangs on a knife edge". Aside from everything else, surely this gets the cliche wrong: you rest on a knife edge, don't you? If you try to hang on one, I think you just cut off your fingers.

More important, though, this headline deeply misleads readers about the state of the race - and in so doing, it echoes a lot of political reporting right now. Quite simply, many of the "analysis" articles being published in these final days leave readers worse informed than they were before reading.

As Nate Silver (who has lately attracted a remarkable amount of hate - welcome to my world, Nate!) clearly explains, state polling currently points overwhelmingly to an Obama victory. It's possible that the polls are systematically biased - and this bias has to encompass almost all the polls, since even Rasmussen is now showing Ohio tied. So Romney might yet win. But a knife-edge this really isn't, and any reporting suggesting that it is makes you stupider.

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+68 # LeeBlack 2012-11-04 08:00
"...some reporting tells readers things the reporters have to know aren’t true."

This has been happening the entire, seemingly endless, campaign season. Reporters report only 'he said' instead of providing real reporting.
 
 
+1 # dovelane1 2012-11-08 02:01
Simply put, in bending over backwards to give the appearance of being "fair" to the candidates, they have forgotten their real job is to be fair to the truth.

Of course, if they believe they will lose their job if they aren't bending over backwards to be "fair," how many will stop the contortions?
 
 
+6 # mjc 2012-11-04 08:22
I agreed with Nate Silver's blog on RSN and I agree with Krugman on this comment. The urgency factor is played like a harp string by the Democrats...at least...and I don't know how Republicans are being strummed but probably similarly. Obama is FAVORED in the swing states polls...but it won't look like 2008. That was never going to happen. And it might look better for Obama IF he had juiced up himself in the first debate. Everyone is saying what a disaster this was for him. But scare tactics might just backfire on the Democrats. Who needs to go to the polls if your candidate is going to lose anyway?
 
 
+18 # pegasus4508 2012-11-04 11:00
Lose of us who believe our candidate will LOSE are more likely to vote. Fear is a strong motivating factor. So is Revenge for attempting to blatantly suppress the black vote.
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-11-04 15:49
Same with others But the Black keep backing Republican Masters so that makes NO Sense.
 
 
+56 # Barbara K 2012-11-04 08:52
Harry Reid is right; Romney hasn't paid taxes in 15 years. Self-respecting taxpayers should be screaming. He has been screwing us for decades and hiding it well. Check this out and do share:


http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981730200
 
 
+31 # Working Class 2012-11-04 09:39
[quote name="Barbara K"]Harry Reid is right; Romney hasn't paid taxes in 15 years. Self-respecting taxpayers should be screaming. He has been screwing us for decades and hiding it well. Check this out and do share:
I believe Romney can't show his earlier returns because he was one of the 14000 US citizens who took up the IRS on their amnesty offer over the Swiss Bank USB's illegal tax shelter. USB pleaded No Contest, paid almost $800 mil is fines, and said they would release the names and account info of 1400 accounts holders who were using the illegal scheme. The IRS offered an amnesty program and 14000 took the deal. Their names have been kept confidential, but we know from Romney that he did bank with UBS.
http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981730200[/quote
 
 
+11 # Virginia 2012-11-04 10:39
Barbara K - the tax issue isn't going to sway the majority because most people look for deductions when they file. A flat tax would be more balanced. But the fact that some of his investments may be illegal has not been exploited very well. This is the real issue. However, look at all the people that knew they were invested in the Madoff Ponzi scheme, as long as they were getting funds it didn't matter... Moral hazard at the peak.

Romney's supporters are not voting for Romney's positions - they are voting against Barack Obama. And what is really scary is that for the race to be this close, many Dems have become Independent and have moved their support.
 
 
+9 # Byronator 2012-11-04 13:26
More likely the opposite -- Independents have gotten off the pot and finally selected a candidate, thus closing the gap between the candidates. As the holding pen for Libertarians, Independents tend to be "less government spending", even for socially beneficial programs (until the weather blows their houses away).
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-11-04 15:51
Or close the liquor stores...
 
 
+7 # Michael Lee Bugg 2012-11-04 22:08
Virginia, you said, "a flat tax would be more balanced." That is exactly opposite of fair. We need a more progressive tax table with capital gains also on a progressive scale if not treated the same as wages! Why should wheeler-dealers like Romney get a huge tax break because they don't actually sweat for a living??? Further, why should a person grossing $50,000 pay the same tax rate as someone making $500,000? Or why should a person making $500,000 pay the same rate as someone making $5,000,000? And why should a person making $5,000,000 pay the same rate as someone making $50,000,000, or $500,000,000? The rich already have all kinds of tax breaks, the biggest being capital gains taxed at a lowly 15%, and they only pay Social Security tax on their first $105,000 of earned income! Cities that have payroll taxes take a higher percentage of gross income from the lowest income earners! We need at least a 51% tax bracket on all income over $10 million annual income to help reduce the ridiculous disparity between blue collar wages and CEO wages! From 1943 till 1964 the top marginal rate was 91% on all income over $200,000 for individuals, with no distinction between wages and capital gains! Since companies large and small lie and cheat on their taxes with no fear, I would be in favor of a low flat corporate fee and a 75% top bracket on the top earners. The more one benefits from living here and the more one has to lose, the more one should pay for the privilege and security!!!
 
 
+60 # genierae 2012-11-04 08:56
The lies, distortions and omissions are coming almost exclusively from the Republican side. In my lifetime I have never seen such a disgraceful, cowardly campaign as Romney's. The only way that Republicans can get elected to office these days is to lie, cheat and steal. What a dark day it will be if Romney manages to replace Obama in the White House.
 
 
+1 # dovelane1 2012-11-08 02:16
Genie - As a liberal, I do so love it when people like Akins and Mourdock tell the truth about some of the idiotic, neanderthal ideas they do believe. And that is absolutely why they lie - if they told the truth to rational thinking people, they would be out of a job, and our of a race.

It's too bad we can't get all politicians to tell the whole truth. As with many people, they tell the part of the truth that makes them look good, or, at least, doesn't make them look bad. I sometimes think people with poor self-images, people who don't like themselves very much, are the ones who have to lie. And they are probably the ones who have to be lied to as well. Hence, why the two crowds attract each other.
 
 
+23 # garliccrabs 2012-11-04 09:01
I just finishing reading this report by bev harris "how to rig an election".. while not totally surprising to me of her fact-finding mission of how they STOLE THE 200 ELECTION.. in fla. RICK SCOTT in 2010 ( the citizens here in liberty city, overtown, brownsville have NOT FORGIVEN ALEX SINK for conceding too soon to rick scott.. ) & her facts indicate that it was " rigged", I don't TRUST these machine, here @ early voting @ the stephen p. clark bldg.. the INTRAELECT machines took 3 attempts before it took my ballots into the machine..someth ing is NOT RIGHT this time around & they are gonna "STEAL" it no doubt it !!..please get ready the day after, nov. 7th wed. to take to the streets, congress, the courts !!..they are saying already, (the pollsters) " romney is ahead in fla."... b.s., but they are setting the pace ALREADY for us to be DISAPPOINTED !!!..WE ARE NOT TAKING ANY WOODEN NICKLES .. & fla is not gonna concede too soon !!!... chairwomen concerned citizens committee, inc. liberty city, miami,fla.
 
 
+13 # reiverpacific 2012-11-04 09:03
This is how I've been feeling for a while; glad it's being addressed by someone with a bit of common sense (especially for an economist) AND some credibility -unless you are a reactionary or Fox fan -same thing in most cases.
The various begging arms of the Democratic Party are likewise alarmist in trying to get more blood out of this po' ol' stone.
 
 
+16 # goodsensecynic 2012-11-04 09:25
I hold out a faint hope that the reports of a close race will energize Democrats, especially if it is well understood that Republican voting machines and overt acts of voter suppression are in play.

However, since it's possible that Mr. Obama is actually supported by about 10%-20% more voters than Mr. Romney, but that Mr. Romney may be able to cheat the Democrats out of 10%-20% of their legitimate vote, who knows? Maybe it will be a close (if not exactly honest) election after all.
 
 
+28 # Working Class 2012-11-04 09:30
The corporate media's reporting does more to drive the polls than inform the voters. True democracy needs to have a media that gives the citizens facts that they can use to make infomed decisions. Corporate media is failing this test.
 
 
+17 # humanmancalvin 2012-11-04 09:33
Such is the power of lies, the platform that Romney has created this election. When he is behind, encourage the press he is ahead or at worst tied. One of the thousands of frightening things that befall this country if Romney & the radical right insurgency find a way to steal this election:the precedent for future campaigns to run on pure unadulterated lies. Great precedent but it seems that a great number of voters do not care in the slightest what lies are told by their candidate as long as there candidate wins. As if this country isn't screwed up enough as it is.
The great Romney lie about Obama's "apology tour" : although it is a false narrative this country is guilty of creating major atrocities starting from its very beginnings with the decimation of the native population & the enslavement of Africans; (&others). The violent overthrowing of governments not loyal to the US at great costs of lives,the invasions of of countries based on lies, see: Iraq. This country has more than enough to apologize for at this time, it does need to build up more owed apologies which it will need to do if Romney were ever in a position to make any type of decisions in the name of the American people.
 
 
+7 # soularddave 2012-11-04 13:22
Exceptionalists don't see the need to apologize. Hence, R-money is touchy on the subject and panders to the minimal-minded electorate, most of whom have never been more than 500 miles from home (and are afraid to do so).

The President didn't need to apologize. Nor do any World travelers with a proper attitude. It's the exceptionalists who are clueless about the attitudes and feelings of people in other countries. They are the ugly Americans.
 
 
+17 # hillwright 2012-11-04 09:37
It's that Liberal Media (owned by Rupert Murdoch) that's doing it...!
 
 
-68 # Robt Eagle 2012-11-04 09:46
Barbara, you are lying to the lunatics on this site and they will believe anything that promotes Obama and the left wing Democrats. If Romney only paid 13% tax, it was tens of millions of dollars compared to the 47% who pay nothing. What is it you don't understand about that? Actual dollars paid are better than those who suck off the rest of us hard working tax payers. I can't believe that there is a program to give free cell phones and the US Gov't pays their monthly bills to those who pay no taxes. That is pure lunacy when the US is in such National Debt. How the heck does that make any sense? Barbara, I think a bum should be assigned to you and instead of you paying taxes, the bum comes to your door every Friday evening for his tax money you owe him, say $250, every Friday. How many weeks will you do this, huh?
 
 
+34 # engelbach 2012-11-04 10:26
I'm afraid that you're misinformed about the 47% and about the mythical cell phones.

You're also rather naive about the purpose of the progressive income tax system. Do you honestly believe that Romney should be entitled to keep a higher percentage of his income than working class people keep of theirs?

That's one reason that the rich get richer and richer while the rest of us get poorer and poorer.
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-11-04 15:56
Change it...
 
 
+1 # phantomww 2012-11-04 17:32
"mythical cell phones"?

Try this link. It took me 45 seconds of research to find the link. Maybe you should invest 45 sec and do some research.

http://www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/
 
 
+3 # Bruce Gruber 2012-11-04 18:05
Surely, you also read and followed the directions to see what a scam this referenced "proof" of your predetermined bias provides.

When will the creeps who are looking for an excuse to camouflage their racist fears and insecurities behind Rovarian factoids realize they are being scammed and laughed at by the people setting them up?
 
 
-6 # phantomww 2012-11-05 08:30
Bruce, Are you really trying to say that there is NOT a govt program that allows people to get cell phones for free? That they do not get free minutes, up to 250 depending on what state they live in? That they do not have to pay a monthly service charge? That the Lifeline Assitance program is not real and has not been around since the 1980's and that while it provided for land lines it changed to include cell phones under Bush? Are you really trying to say all that is a scam? Please post your research links. Here are some of mine.
www.mygovernmentcellphone.com
https://www.safelinkwireless.com/EnrollmentPublic/home.aspx
money.cnn.com/2012/10/26/technology/mobile/tracfone-free-phones/...
www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/free-cell-phone-providers/...wireless
 
 
+2 # David Starr 2012-11-05 13:18
@phantomww: Let's compare free cell phones with free loopholes, subsidies, privileged tax cuts, no tax paid on offshore accounts, etc.: I'd kinda bet that the former is way less costly than the latter. And those receiving the latter don't need it, considering the massive wealth. Perhaps you think systematic theft of billions of dollars is more justified than free cell phones?
 
 
+28 # pegasus4508 2012-11-04 11:04
I am so sick of the 47% BS. Seniors have PAID their taxes. Military- why should they HAVE TO PAY, they have put body and soul on the line for losers like you. Single moms and working families - ALL pay taxes, just get some of those taxes returned because they do not MAKE the millions that Romney does. So exactly who do you think (if that is possible) the 47% is???
 
 
+5 # KittatinyHawk 2012-11-04 16:02
Brass should pay taxes, Service men and women should get a pass while serving. Seniors on Social Security, SSI, Disability should not pay any taxes...they have.
Single mom/dad should get breaks over married working families. People on unemployment should not pay taxes on their taxes after all that is what SS, Unemployment is.

Anyone making over $500,000 should pay their fare share. They get more write offs because they can afford more.

Unless price of food, clothing, building materials, gas goes down by half...then the min wage is way off balance.

I pray Nit loses....I hope we start planning for 2016 on Nov 7...cause May 2016 is going to be toooo late third Paryyiers
 
 
+8 # ruttaro 2012-11-04 13:28
Robt Eagle,

Bring us the program that gives free cell phones. Show us wo is getting them and why they are getting them. What's the reason stated in the legislation and not form some right wing radio blowhard. If they are having their bills picked up by the government, what doe sit say in the bill, the program as to why? Are they senior citizens who are poor and infirm and the cell phone gives them a life line to emergency responders? Give us numbers, data, statistics that confirm what you are saying. Can you do this for us RObt Eagle? Or are you just repeating something you heard from a bloviating blowhard on Rushbo Radio, Hannity's insanity, O'Reilly's Oh Really, Beck's not-a-full-deck ? Seriously, there is your challenge so we can all do some fact checking. And here's the deal, if indeed the government is giving free cell phones and picking up the bill for no other reason than to just waste money, I will agree to join you in denouncing such waste. But if it is part of a program to help at-risk seniors or others, you have to admit to everyone here that you were mistaken. Of course, if you don't cae who gets them (if it is true) or for what ever reason then you are off the hook. But man-up and show us the legislation, the program and let us be the judge.
 
 
+3 # KittatinyHawk 2012-11-04 16:06
There is a program that gives free cell phones but it is not to talk, it is for emergencies. I was offered one but I figured there are worse off than myself.
I find cell phones a luxury I do not need. I also find them annoying, invasive and causing too many accidents.

But considering these phones are worth about a buck, sateillites are already there, who does the free phone to Ill, Seniors hurt? Romney's buds write the losses off, after all they can afford to
 
 
-2 # Robt Eagle 2012-11-05 04:17
Kittatiny, "Everyone in Cleveland has one!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
 
 
-6 # phantomww 2012-11-04 17:38
rut,

try this link.
http://www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/

Do you qualify for a free government cell phone and minutes?

The government’s Lifeline Assistance Program gives out free cell phones and monthly service to Americans in need of financial help

Thanks to the FCC-mandated, government-spon sored program, called LifeLine Assistance, the financially disadvantaged can receive a free government cell phone and up to 250 free minutes every month. An estimated 12.5 million other Americans already participate, and tens of millions more qualify to enroll.

In the 90′s, the federal government set up the Lifeline phone service program via a mandate by the FCC. This program, funded by Universal Service Fund fees on telephone bills, provides qualified consumers with discounted (often free) monthly telephone service. It began as just a landline program and a few years ago made it’s debut with cell phones.

IS that enough info for you ruttaro? This did take me almost 45 sec of research to find. Guess that is too hard for you to do before asking a bunch of ignorant questions. It took you longer to type your response than it took me to find answers.
 
 
+2 # David Starr 2012-11-05 13:26
@phantomww: So, "Americans in need of financial help" are "villians" as opposed to, e.g., financial sector suits involved with Wall Street, investment bank, toxic mortgages culminating in the 2008 Great Recession, right? You're given a bad impression of having it assbackwards.

BTW, what's wrong with a lifeline Assistance program? That's preferable to coporate theivery.
 
 
-5 # phantomww 2012-11-05 19:34
David Starr,
Nice try in switching the topic. We are talking about the free cell phones and that comments have been made here that the program does not exist. It does and I have proven it.

Now if you admit that Bruce and engelbach are wrong then I am willing to discuss tax reform and welfare/entitle ment reform.

BTW, taking advantage of legal deductions is not theft just like the free cell phones is not theft. It just isn't right.
 
 
0 # David Starr 2012-11-06 11:09
@phantomww: Switching the topic? It was easy. Your posts alluding to blame-the-power less-praise-the -powerful are hard to ignore. Theft is theft, especially when it's based characteristcal ly on few having too much and many having too little. Class conflict is inevitable.

Even legalities, technical or otherwise, are not absolute or necessarily justifiable. So, you're saying that legal deductions are unethically legal. Nice try with doublespeak.

Considering the "welfare" given to the powerful-which they do not need-then this is a bad law. Adding to inevitable class conflict.

So, your "legal deduction" claim is merely a cynical technicality; you admit it isn't right. Government should pass an unethical legality while having a public obligation to be ethical? Assbackwards.

Free cell phones are not topping the list of my priorities. So, I frankly don't care if it's true or not. There are "bigger fish to fry."

Regarding "tax reform and welfare/entitle ment reform": Then let's be willing to discuss it.
 
 
-5 # Robt Eagle 2012-11-05 04:16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
 
 
+2 # David Starr 2012-11-05 13:30
@ Robt Eagle: What, you're actually showing a source? You have a streak going. That's two in a row.

And let's check out your source for the hell of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
 
 
+11 # soularddave 2012-11-04 13:36
That "47%" quote was a really pernicious statement because R-money KNOWS that it includes children in school before ever getting a job, and Seniors who have worked 50 years already, and paid taxes all that time. It includes kids like Sarah Palin's disabled youngster who may never be able to work, but deserve public support because they were born American.

We see straight thru that vicious "47%" statement, and we don't begrudge the "victims" as being some sort of parasites on the economy. We may certainly begrudge those so callous, uncaring, and rude as to write them off as unworthy in a land where the rich don't pay their fair share by a long shot.
 
 
-8 # Robt Eagle 2012-11-05 04:25
soularddave, ok...so it's 25% that don't pay taxes and get freebies off the tax payers. If that satisfies your BS factual crap, then so be it. Why should 25% suck off the rest of us who work hard and struggle? Charity should be what the poor and underpriveledge d go to for their misfortune. FEMA is a joke. We have undreds of thousands who lost homes and business due to Hurricane Sandy. Their insurance will pay for the destruction. FEMA is coming in to Staten Island and Rockaway Beach five days after Sandy left with Meals Ready to Eat and water. In the meantime my youngest son and his partner have had their food truck up and running in Rockaway Beach feeding all the New York City Sanitation workers, FDNY, NYPD and locals hot meals. Yes, they are charging the same as they did prior to the sisaster, but they are busting their asses to feed hundreds of people a day. In addition they set up a FREE food truck for those who can't afford anything and are giving away food to the poor of the community who have lost everything. Charity is the answer NOT taxes to take care of those less fortunate.
 
 
+3 # David Starr 2012-11-05 13:42
@ Robt Eagle: So, 25% don't pay taxes? I wonder how that tallies up with 1%ers not paying taxes just with their offshore accounts alone.

Charity: Instead of friggin, ideological tinkering while throwing crumbs at the unfortunate, which, BTW provokes a stereotype where they're perpetually looked at helpless and dependent, how about ideological change where the unfortunate do have a chance to actually escape poverty and wield participatory power? They certainly wouldn't look perpetually as victims.

Charity, while beneficial, is really a big band aid to allow business-as-usu al to go on, with a 1%er looking charitable and soothing his/her conscenience. While still necessary, ideological change, not charity, would be a more thorough, and real, solution
 
 
+4 # Working Class 2012-11-05 15:39
Quoting Robt Eagle:
soularddave, ok...so it's 25% that don't pay taxes and get freebies off the tax payers. If that satisfies your BS factual crap, then so be it. Why should 25% suck off the rest of us who work hard and struggle? Charity should be what the poor and underpriveledged go to for their misfortune. FEMA is a joke. We have undreds of thousands who lost homes and business due to Hurricane Sandy. Their insurance will pay for the destruction. FEMA is coming in to Staten Island and Rockaway Beach five days after Sandy left with Meals Ready to Eat and water. In the meantime my youngest son and his partner have had their food truck up and running in Rockaway Beach feeding all the New York City Sanitation workers, FDNY, NYPD and locals hot meals. Yes, they are charging the same as they did prior to the sisaster, but they are busting their asses to feed hundreds of people a day. In addition they set up a FREE food truck for those who can't afford anything and are giving away food to the poor of the community who have lost everything. Charity is the answer NOT taxes to take care of those less fortunate.


Are you sure you are living in the right country? You can't say you love America and at the same time turn your back on citizens who aren't as fortunate as you. Dog eat dog is no way to look at people. That is not what the Founding Fathers had in mind. If you think it was then you better sandbag your house. It will eventually get real ugly.
 
 
+2 # soularddave 2012-11-06 22:23
Hats off to your kids. They sound like hard workers, and I hope they do well.

I guess this discussion is now moot, as it's Wednesday morning.

Good luck to you for the next four years. I guess we won't be talking about Rmoney any more.
 
 
-1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-11-04 15:56
Looking for a new way to get money? Hope Nit tries this too,
 
 
+2 # rockieball 2012-11-05 09:28
Thing is Romney and his cohorts can afford to pay taxes as well as afford million dollar vacation homes, luxury cars, the best wines and clothing. The 47% are lucky they can afford food a bus pass and clothing from Goodwill, what with the low wages and not health benefits that they are paid by those the likes of Romney and his backers. All Romney has done in his business dealings is create unemployment, create poverty, create low wages, create welfare. In others word he and his cohorts created the 47%.
 
 
+2 # David Starr 2012-11-05 13:12
@ Robt Eagle: Besides paying lower percentages of tax, considering their earnings, Romneyites also can "qualify" for free government money in the form of loopholes, cutting taxes (for their benefit), offshore tax havens, and subsidies for the private coporate beaucracy. What do "hard paying tax payers" have to do with that, i.e., the working class? First, you can't tell class differences with economic inequality, but you lump every class together when it comes to paying taxes; although a few are more economically equal than many. Romneyite "success" has a lot to do with systematic thievery, and combined with the overt version within foreign policy. A system with a nature to prioritize this inequality, is not democratic, and not worth it, well, for the many it is. Bums do come in three-piece suits.
 
 
+23 # MJnevetS 2012-11-04 09:52
If you haven't already figured it out, the mainstream media needs to keep suggesting that the race is close, so that after the election is stolen (a la 2008), the political 'pundits ' can explain how the Republican victory is not surprising.. Expect to be 'Roved' again in every state that uses Diebold voting machines. Is this paranoia? Yes! But, I that doesn't mean it's not going to happen.
 
 
+3 # tref 2012-11-04 16:37
As my Abnormal Psychiatry prof said, "It's not paranoia if people really are chasing you with guns trying to kill you."
 
 
+13 # elbows 2012-11-04 10:09
I am so TIRED of all this poll dancing! Let's think it through, here. Who uses poll results? Two groups of people: (1) media types looking for a story, any story, so long as it's quick to write so they can get back to their beer; (2) politicos trying to figure out how to "adjust their message." People, if your message is that easily adjusted then what confidence should we have that you'll be consistent with it when you get into office?
 
 
+7 # oakes721 2012-11-04 10:12
Perhaps the phrase, "Bleeding edge" (a new technology which may be useful but dangerous) is more appropriate. Who will trust someone to count the (uncountable) digits ~ when they cut off their own digits?
 
 
+13 # soularddave 2012-11-04 10:12
The horse race is bits and pieces of info thrown against the wall to see what sticks. If the story about R-money profiting million$ on the auto bailout at the expense of salaried workers' pensions at Delphi, it Could be the October surprise instead of the storm.

The media will try to report on the horse race instead of creating a disturbance on the race track with a real story of unknown value or effect.
 
 
+18 # Quonomo 2012-11-04 11:00
YOU WANT THE TRUTH? THEY WON'T TELL YOU THE TRUTH

Corporate Media has a horse in the race, Myth Romoney. This is the only way to explain the total lack of journalistic integrity. They are are the devils to real details.

To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; credible we must be truthful.- Edward R. Murrow

Objective journalism and an opinion column are about as similar as the Bible and Playboy magazine. - Walter Cronkite

They have to be rolling over in their graves!
 
 
-7 # Robt Eagle 2012-11-05 04:28
Yes, MSNBC is so blatantly far left having NO journalistic integrity at all. What is it that you folks aren't screaming that MSNBC and ABC have done no reporting on the Benghazi scandal where four Americans were killed UNDER OBAMA'S WATCH. If this was under GW Bush you'd all be screaming for impeachment. Where is that for Obama and his treasonous acts of cover up???
 
 
+5 # tclose 2012-11-05 08:52
Robt - again you come forth with your right wing nonsense. It's true that MSNBC has a left-ish point of view, but they deliver a much more balanced reporting than channels on the right do. Benghazi? Americans were killed on Bush's watch too, quite a few in so-called safe zones. The Obama administration is taking responsibility for what went wrong and finding out without all the histrionics from Fox News et al what went wrong and how to correct it.

Time here to be adults.
 
 
+1 # David Starr 2012-11-05 13:51
Quoting Robt Eagle: "Yes, MSNBC is so blatantly far left having NO journalistic integrity at all." I had to be amused by this because it shows again your lack of awareness in knowing right and/or neoliberal from left.

You are entertaining, if anything.

Why aren't you folks screaming that W (Witless) lied about going to war, obviously so. And the result was about 1 million Iraqis killed? It kind of sounds like way more than 4 deaths. Or are Iraqis not worthy enough to be counted, they not being "True Americans," in your bizzaro world?
 
 
+3 # Quonomo 2012-11-05 14:43
So Robt let me get this straight, you believe in the Easter Bunny, the planet Nibiru, and that 'W' was not warned that 9 11 was going to occur. He did such a fine job of keeping us safe that only 3000 people were killed on his watch right under his nose. Give me a break.

You know it is well documented that Fox News watchers are less informed than folks who watch no news at all. Did Fox tell you the rethuglican cut the Security Budget for the embassies. I think not.

Allow me to hip you to a few facts. Americans want single payer healthcare by over 70%. They want the Big Banks broken up by over 70%. The believe Myth should release his taxes by over 60%. They want the rich to be taxed more by 70%. Here is the big shocker, these numbers include Repubs.

The Rethuglican party do not represent the people no matter how many times they say the American People don't want any part of the list above. They are running dog lackeys for the Corporate Fascists that they serve.

MSNBC is Progressive which stands for progress. The Repugs stand for the status quo. More environment rape of the planet, more transfer of the wealth to the top, and more division of the populace. When you have kayos it makes the heist easier to accomplish.

Unless you are a happy 1%er, I implore you to come join the dark side of enlightenment. We welcome you with open arms.
 
 
+1 # Working Class 2012-11-05 15:47
Quoting Robt Eagle:
Yes, MSNBC is so blatantly far left having NO journalistic integrity at all. What is it that you folks aren't screaming that MSNBC and ABC have done no reporting on the Benghazi scandal where four Americans were killed UNDER OBAMA'S WATCH. If this was under GW Bush you'd all be screaming for impeachment. Where is that for Obama and his treasonous acts of cover up???


Hate to pop your bubble but MSNBC did report on the Benghzi attacks. And bye the way, under Bush our embasies and consulates were attacked a total of 12 times, the most in history of any Adminstration. Total dead = 61. Oh wait some of those were not US citizens. They were people from the county our embassy were located in, and they gave their lifes defending our diplomats. In my world a life is a life. Oh there was one another attack on "W's" watch, I think it was in New York on 9-11. Who called for impeachment?
 
 
+3 # fredboy 2012-11-04 12:41
May sound silly, but reporting a cliffhanger may inspire many to vote. Report either side has it won and the enthusiasm--and participation-- sags.
 
 
+3 # MindDoc 2012-11-04 12:59
Exactly so. There's a narrative being followed, by intelligent design or big-media mindset. Even before "Debate #1", when GOP faithful were moaning that it's over, and Dems were feeing more assured of the public consensus, almost 100% of the mainstream newspaper & television media was focused on the gotchas, 1/2 hearted fact-checking, trivia, and most of all: the horserace. (Nobody loves betting or horses like Mitt, btw!)

What seems quite pervasive, scanning across a wide swath of horse-race and SCOTUS-enriched big-media playing all the mud-pie "political as", is this: The story drifted back from "Obama is looking solid where it counts", to "What a guy, that guy in debate #1 is such a leader after all, so elegant and confident ... the Obama leads have vanished. Game reset".

Now the narrative seems almost universally (that I've seen and read) - it's too close to call. But beyond that, there are constant "pundit talks", everywhere from PBS to Fox and the real news networks too, with the message that "Things look set for a Romney election [or if need be, selection]. Of course he won't have his way given there is still a Congress to contend with, but...." The *assumption* is beginning to be that the result is Romney acquires the Presidency and it will be interesting to watch how he manages both Tea Party and the 47% or so of Congress. (He can't fire the ones who reality-check him!)

Truth matters. Our vote *should* matter! We the People matter.
 
 
-9 # Bev 2012-11-04 14:13
The PTB will do anything to "win" the election! And don't you think that witholding rescue efforts and declaring martial law isn't a diabolical ploy to win or cancel the election?
 
 
+5 # KittatinyHawk 2012-11-04 16:11
Who withheld rescue efforts? People in rescue including animal have been working since last Sunday. How redundant to say such a thing
 
 
+4 # tclose 2012-11-05 06:05
This comment comes a bit late, to end up way down the stack, but I will make it anyway. Seems to me that Democrats should not get too confident, irrespective of Nate Silver calculations that show Obama taking the electoral vote. Anything can happen between now and tomorrow night.

Keep focused and work this one last day to get Obama elected.
 
 
+3 # David Starr 2012-11-05 13:54
Quoting Krugman: "Reporting that makes you stupid." Yeah, especially with FOX, stupid is as stupid does.
 

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