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Krugman writes: "Last week Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, announced a change in his institution's recession-fighting strategies."

Portrait, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, 06/15/09. (photo: Fred R. Conrad/NYT)
Portrait, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, 06/15/09. (photo: Fred R. Conrad/NYT)


Hating on Ben Bernanke

By Paul Krugman, The New York Time

17 September 12

 

ast week Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, announced a change in his institution's recession-fighting strategies. In so doing he seemed to be responding to the arguments of critics who have said the Fed can and should be doing more. And Republicans went wild.

Now, many people on the right have long been obsessed with the notion that we'll be facing runaway inflation any day now. The surprise was how readily Mitt Romney joined in the craziness.

So what did Mr. Bernanke announce, and why?

The Fed normally responds to a weak economy by buying short-term U.S. government debt from banks. This adds to bank reserves; the banks go out and lend more; and the economy perks up.

Unfortunately, the scale of the financial crisis, which left behind a huge overhang of consumer debt, depressed the economy so severely that the usual channels of monetary policy don't work. The Fed can bulk up bank reserves, but the banks have little incentive to lend the money out, because short-term interest rates are near zero. So the reserves just sit there.

The Fed's response to this problem has been "quantitative easing," a confusing term for buying assets other than Treasury bills, such as long-term U.S. debt. The hope has been that such purchases will drive down the cost of borrowing, and boost the economy even though conventional monetary policy has reached its limit.

Sure enough, last week's Fed announcement included another round of quantitative easing, this time involving mortgage-backed securities. The big news, however, was the Fed's declaration that "a highly accommodative stance of monetary policy will remain appropriate for a considerable time after the economic recovery strengthens." In plain English, the Fed is more or less promising that it won't start raising interest rates as soon as the economy looks better, that it will hold off until the economy is actually booming and (perhaps) until inflation has gone significantly higher.

The idea here is that by indicating its willingness to let the economy rip for a while, the Fed can encourage more private-sector spending right away. Potential home buyers will be encouraged by the prospect of moderately higher inflation that will make their debt easier to repay; corporations will be encouraged by the prospect of higher future sales; stocks will rise, increasing wealth, and the dollar will fall, making U.S. exports more competitive.

This is very much the kind of action Fed critics have advocated - and that Mr. Bernanke himself used to advocate before he became Fed chairman. True, it's a lot less explicit than the critics would have liked. But it's still a welcome move, although far from being a panacea for the economy's troubles (a point Mr. Bernanke himself emphasized).

And Republicans, as I said, have gone wild, with Mr. Romney joining in the craziness. His campaign issued a news release denouncing the Fed's move as giving the economy an "artificial" boost - he later described it as a "sugar high" - and declaring that "we should be creating wealth, not printing dollars."

Mr. Romney's language echoed that of the "liquidationists" of the 1930s, who argued against doing anything to mitigate the Great Depression. Until recently, the verdict on liquidationism seemed clear: it has been rejected and ridiculed not just by liberals and Keynesians but by conservatives too, including none other than Milton Friedman. "Aggressive monetary policy can reduce the depth of a recession," declared the George W. Bush administration in its 2004 Economic Report of the President. And the author of that report, Harvard's N. Gregory Mankiw, has actually advocated a much more aggressive Fed policy than the one announced last week.

Now Mr. Mankiw is allegedly a Romney adviser - but the candidate's position on economic policy is evidently being dictated by extremists who warn that any effort to fight this slump will turn us into Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe I tell you.

Oh, and what about Mr. Romney's ideas for "creating wealth"? The Romney economic "plan" offers no specifics about what he would actually do. The thrust of it, however, is that what America needs is less environmental protection and lower taxes on the wealthy. Surprise!

Indeed, as Mike Konczal of the Roosevelt Institute points out, the Romney plan of 2012 is almost identical - and with the same turns of phrase - to John McCain's plan in 2008, not to mention the plans laid out by George W. Bush in 2004 and 2006. The situation changes, but the song remains the same.

So last week we learned that Ben Bernanke is willing to listen to sensible critics and change course. But we also learned that on economic policy, as on foreign policy, Mitt Romney has abandoned any pose of moderation and taken up residence in the right's intellectual fever swamps.


 

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+78 # Barbara K 2012-09-17 08:17
Romney's words ring hollow. He has no credibility and anything he says should be just shrugged off. He knows nothing about the Federal Government's budget. He hides his money in foreign lands so he doesn't have to contribute to the American government, the one he wants to run. Criticizing everything the government tries to do to alleviate the problems is no help. I have no answers, and I doubt many have, but I'm not running for President. There just is no cure for Stupid, but we don't have to vote for it.
 
 
+17 # coberly 2012-09-17 09:35
barbara

who knows what Romney thinks? my guess is that he says dumb things so the dumb will go out and vote for him. if they do, he will win the election, and then he can do whatever he wants, or his "advisors" want.
 
 
+10 # jlohman 2012-09-17 13:21
Well, I don't get this. We send money to the banks but the banks don't lend it. Do they just pay bonuses with it? Why doesn't the Fed just lend it directly and bypass the banks?
 
 
+2 # Virginia 2012-09-18 01:15
Read Neil Barofsky's book BAILOUT. The banks are in so much debt that this is just the 3rd of many bailouts. It would be better to just call a halt to the printing presses and let the regulators do their jobs. The banks wrote more loans than they can legally hold. They are being sued by investors and they have to dump their toxic assets or be found insolvent.

It wouldn't be so bad but the Treasury and the Fed have failed to make the banks take a haircut on their fraudulent inflated loans. They've given them 100% on the dollar for loans that were 30-50% inflated. So we all take a bath.
 
 
+4 # dkonstruction 2012-09-18 08:23
Quoting jlohman:
Well, I don't get this. We send money to the banks but the banks don't lend it. Do they just pay bonuses with it? Why doesn't the Fed just lend it directly and bypass them?


Great questions jlohman. The banks aren't lending it because they need to increase their cash reserves because they know they are insolvant and when the next crisis hits and their is a run on their bank they will need the cash (though at that point it won't help them much) and they have been using it to buy more gov't debt (treasuries) so we have essentially been lending them at almost 0% interest and then they lend it back to us (by buying gov't debt) and thus make even more money off us. The FED needs to be nationalized so that it is truly a publicly owned financial instituition which could then lend directly instead of simply being a private bank through which the gov't issues new money as debt that we then all have to pay for out of our tax dollars.
 
 
-5 # jtatu 2012-09-18 07:48
The Federal Government has no budget. What is there for anyone to know?
 
 
+56 # flippancy 2012-09-17 08:23
One Paul Krugman is worth more than every conservative economist in the world. You know, those 18 guys out of hundreds of thousands who thought supply side economics makes sense.
 
 
-45 # Martintfre 2012-09-17 08:36
//Now, many people on the right have long been obsessed with the notion that we'll be facing runaway inflation any day now. //

When I was a kid -- long time ago,1963.
The parents could buy a gallon of gas and a candy bar for me with a quarter.

IF they had that silver quarter now - it is worth a little over $6 They could buy me a gallon of premium gas and a candy bar and have change.
The paper money - backed by the fool faith and trust in US Politicians -- predictably not doing so well.
 
 
+22 # BradFromSalem 2012-09-17 09:10
Martinfre,

Your point? So the value of two common commodities has essentially remained unchanged. That is what is to be expected over the long term.

The issue is what happened on the road between 25 cents being the equivalent of $6. What about the house your parents bought for $15,000? When inflation hit, they were able to pay down that debt. On the other hand, their retirement plans increased in value along with inflation.
And your point is?
 
 
+13 # coberly 2012-09-17 09:31
Martin

yeah, there is inflation. but exactly in what way has it hurt you?

unless you are sitting on dollar bills in a hole in the ground, not at all.

a small amount of inflation appears to be the price we have to pay to have a growing economy and avoid the horrors that the "gold standard" visited upon the world. which you can read about if you are brave enough.
 
 
+9 # MidwestTom 2012-09-17 11:27
Inflation is hidden transfer of wealth to the top 5% of earners. How so? The wealthy already own many hard assets, like buildings, farms, oil wells, etc. When inflation doubles the value of a $500,000 Florida condo to $1,000,000, the wealthy owner just made a half million. The gardener at the condo does not see his wages double, neither does auto worker making cars for the millionaires.

As asset prices inflate, wages do increase, but not at the same rate; and the rising wages make it harder for American made goods to compete with foreign made items, and American jobs get moved overseas, or the company goes out of business and all jobs are lost.

Stability is best. People with assets hate deflation; people with little or no assets like it because the things that they buy are cheaper. The opposite is true for inflation.

The more we inflate the currency, the wealthier we make the upper 5 percent.
 
 
-8 # coberly 2012-09-17 12:30
Tom

I don't think this is the general view. People with a lot of money tend to be "lenders." Those people are "hurt" as inflation eats away the value of the dollar and they are repaid in dollars that are worth less. Poorer people tend to be borrowers, and they are helped by inflation as the money they eventually pay back is worth less than the money they borrowed. Deflation is even harder on borrowers.
 
 
+1 # David Heizer 2012-09-20 18:05
I know the knee-jerkers here are thumbing you down because they think you're feeling sorry for the rich and saying the poor are getting a free ride, but you are correct. Inflation has the effect of lowering the effective interest rate of a loan. A 30-year 6% mortgage in a time of 3% inflation is roughly equivalent to a 3% mortgage with zero inflation. (Assuming you're going to get raises over the years commensurate with inflation.) High inflation coupled with low interest rates is a good thing for borrowers, not so great for lenders.
 
 
-7 # coberly 2012-09-17 12:37
Tom

this is not the way it is usually understood. the wealthy tend to be lenders. inflation hurts them because the money they get paid back is worth less than the money they lent.
 
 
+3 # BradFromSalem 2012-09-17 12:48
If it was a hidden transfer of wealth to the rich, then why are they pushing so hard to deter any inflationary policies?
 
 
-1 # dbriz 2012-09-17 16:35
And the government. Which can then pay off their debts by devaluation. Exactly what they are trying like hell to do presently whether it's Obama or Romney.
 
 
0 # David Heizer 2012-09-20 18:00
Quoting MidwestTom:
When inflation doubles the value of a $500,000 Florida condo to $1,000,000, the wealthy owner just made a half million. The gardener at the condo does not see his wages double, neither does auto worker making cars for the millionaires.

If *inflation* has doubled the value of a home, then that is because the value of $1,000,000 is now what $500,000 used to be, and wages will double as well. Inflation does not favor "hard assets" (in fact, they tend to deteriorate over time with age, requiring ongoing maintenance costs).

If the home goes up due to other forces (a derivatives-dri ven housing bubble, say), then you're not talking about inflation any more.
 
 
+7 # dbriz 2012-09-17 16:33
Gee, who does inflation hurt?

Well for starters anyone of millions on a fixed income.

How about low wage earners and renters who will inevitably face higher rents and wages that don't keep up with inflation.

Then there are a variety of surveys suggesting that as many as 60-70% of working wives would prefer not to work but must or dramatically lower their families standard of living.

And of course there is the moral hazard that encourages people to borrow to the hilt and buy today because they will pay back in cheaper dollars down the line.

We currently have ample evidence of how that all works out.

Inflation the "price we have to pay" for a growing economy?

One of our best economic growth periods were the postwar years 1948-1968. We were the economic engine of the world during these years.

Guess what, during this period the average family consisted of one income earner, suburbs sprang up all over the country, "Made in America" meant something and inflation averaged at 1.5% a year.

Since 1968 we've averaged about 4.7% inflation per year.

Result: we now have two income families mortgaged and credit card maxed to the hilt and debt, private and public, up to our eyeballs.

Inflation doesn't hurt anyone?

And I thought all the crazies were on the right wing sites.
 
 
-2 # coberly 2012-09-17 18:23
dbriz

i said "moderate" inflation. you score a point with people on fixed incomes. but i am not sure who those people are. Social Security is inflation indexed so at least those people are not hurt by "moderate" inflation.

i am not sure the rest of your case holds up under serious thought. i am aware of the problem of people going into debt to "buy now" because the price will go up later... but that doesn't happen with "moderate inflation."

as for the wages that "don;t keep up with inflation"... well that is a union problem, not an inflation problem. and the answer in any case is not to go back to the gold standard which killed farmers and workers.

so also with all your credit card debt... that's a mental problem, not an inflation problem.

and i didn't say it "doesn't hurt anyone." i said moderate inflation is the price we pay to avoid the pain of deflation... which is much much worse.

and even if i am wrong, i don't think this qualifies as "crazy."
 
 
-3 # coberly 2012-09-17 18:34
dbriz

crazy is when you see something you think you disagree with and you let your blood pressure interfere with your thinking.

you don't disagree with me. you disagree with what you think i said. read it again. slower this time. watch out for those magic leaps that "this means THIS" quite often those are two different things that are only the same in your head.
 
 
+1 # dbriz 2012-09-18 07:09
My dear coberly...when you express yourself on these public forums you really have to accept the fact that you will be challenged by those in disagreement.

I take it you are wrought up by my phrase, "...I thought all the crazies were on the right wing sites."

I will admit to and trust, you may recognize a touch of hyperbole when you read one.

Kind of like one accusing a poster of, "reading lies and" not "being smart enough to think your way out of them".

And telling him he should "read the Trustees Report" but "you will need help".

Now as to your assertion "you don't disagree with me. you disagree with what (I) think you said...", you have IMO, done a nice attempt at bobbing, weaving and backtracking from what you said.

To prove to you that my blood pressure is fine I'll allow as to how you have made a valiant attempt to "clarify" your statements.

Problem is, your lack of specifics leaves some large gaps in your peroration.

For instance, you amend your statement to the phrase "moderate inflation" is harmless, actually a good thing. So, it would behoove you do define what is "moderate" inflation. Then we may follow up with due diligence and test your theory.

You also assert the "horrible" costs of a "gold standard" and "deflation". You may be right. Or wrong.

Simply saying it does not make it so. So, proof please.
 
 
0 # David Heizer 2012-09-20 18:14
Quoting dbriz:
Guess what, during this period the average family consisted of one income earner, suburbs sprang up all over the country, "Made in America" meant something and inflation averaged at 1.5% a year.

The Fed shoots for a target of around 2% as being ideal, as a growing economy will entail rising wages, which is in complete agreement with your history. The fact that high inflation is bad doesn't necessarily mean that zero is best. coberly said "a small amount of inflation"; you're arguing (insultingly) with a position that no one here is taking.
 
 
+2 # brux 2012-09-18 00:32
you forgot to mention that a decent average income was something like 10K a year, making start contrasts about inflation and prices is interesting, and i remember buying candy for 5 and 10 cents, i remember matchbox cars being $0.50 cents and made out of metal ... but ultimately it does not make that much difference. what has made a difference is the concentration of wealth and squeezing out of certain populations, the disinvestment in americans. the minoritization of anyone that is not a brainless supporter of business and the republicans.
 
 
-29 # Martintfre 2012-09-17 08:45
IF the government could spend, borrow and tax their way to prosperity then no government on earth would of ever failed.

Why are we buying our own debt? cause no one else will.

Hey Bernaki, quick question:: Can we borrow enough to pay off our debt?

What is happening to SSA and all those retirement plans that were dependent upon interest as a way to be self sustaining now that the prime rate is effectively zero (0.25%)?

What will happen to the US debt and ability to service it when interest rates rise back to historical norms of 4%?
 
 
+12 # BradFromSalem 2012-09-17 09:17
Private investors in the US and nations all over the world, like China; are buying up US debt in large quantities. In fact, that is one of the legal investments that the ultra rich are spending their tax cuts on. They are in fact funding the US government earning tax free dividends with tax breaks.
SSA is not dependent on interest rates. It is not in a bank.
The interest rate will only rise on new debt when rates rise, so now is the time to invest in public infrastructure and other job creating initiatives.
 
 
-6 # Martintfre 2012-09-17 13:06
//Private investors in the US and nations all over the world, like China; are buying up US debt in large quantities.//

Actually they are not.
That is why the FED is buying them QE2 and QE3 (Quantitative Easing).
Why not? Because the interest rate is less then the inflation rate - it is a guaranteed loser.

//They are in fact funding the US government earning tax free dividends with tax breaks.// ahhh right. but I suggest looking at the other side of the balance sheet -- the one where we are paying about 8% to service the interest our debt -- that is where the government gets the money it is calling tax free dividends -- or they are simply printing it. Either way it is a tax.

//SSA is not dependent on interest rates. // LOL . . do some research
 
 
+2 # dkonstruction 2012-09-18 07:13
Quoting Martintfre:
//Private investors in the US and nations all over the world, like China; are buying up US debt in large quantities.//

Actually they are not.
That is why the FED is buying them QE2 and QE3 (Quantitative Easing).
Why not? Because the interest rate is less then the inflation rate - it is a guaranteed loser.

//They are in fact funding the US government earning tax free dividends with tax breaks.// ahhh right. but I suggest looking at the other side of the balance sheet -- the one where we are paying about 8% to service the interest our debt -- that is where the government gets the money it is calling tax free dividends -- or they are simply printing it. Either way it is a tax.

//SSA is not dependent on interest rates. // LOL . . do some research


The US continues to have no problems selling new debt as evidenced by the successful sale/auction for Treasury's. And, some of the Quantitative Easing (such as this latest round for example) has been for purchasing financial assets other than gov't debt such as mortgage backed securities).

As we discovered in the FED audit, in adition to the bailouts, the FED "loaned" (at almost 0% interest) more than $16 Trillion...inst ead of loaning it to the private banksters this could have paid off the entire US national debt. So, the question is not Quantitative Easing yes or no but rather what do we do with the additional money.
 
 
+2 # dbriz 2012-09-17 16:48
And China has also been on a buying spree to gobble up third world natural resources and gold.

Now why would they want to do that?

You don't think they could be looking ahead a few years to when they are our biggest creditor, have ample supplies of gold and natural resources and can then tell us to raise interest rates or they will dump our bonds?

Creditors always have the upper hand, even with low interest loans.
 
 
+6 # coberly 2012-09-17 09:34
martin

from your own logic, that increase in interest rates would let those retirement plans become self sustaining again.

but as for Social Security, it is designed so it doesn't really matter what happens to interest rates. or inflation. the key is "pay as you go financing." once you understand that... and very few people do, apparently, you will have begun to understand both Social Security and money in general.
 
 
-9 # Martintfre 2012-09-17 13:09
//rom your own logic, that increase in interest rates would let those retirement plans become self sustaining again.//

That would be the case IF government had run on a fiscally sound keel, but they have not.

//but as for Social Security, it is designed so it doesn't really matter what happens to interest rates. or inflation. the key is "pay as you go financing."// That pay as you go only lasted the first 4 years of the program -- it is a pyramid scheme (yes even Rick Perry can get one right occasionally) and the base is evaporating into the receiving rather then paying mode.. the future ain't pretty even for those who love the smell of books cooking in Washington.
 
 
+2 # coberly 2012-09-17 14:26
martinfre

you have been reading lies and you aren't smart enough to think your way out of them.

as for doing research... i have. but reading Cato and Concord Coalition is not research. Try reading the Trustees Report. but you will need help.
 
 
+1 # dkonstruction 2012-09-18 12:12
Quoting Martintfre:
//rom your own logic, that increase in interest rates would let those retirement plans become self sustaining again.//

That would be the case IF government had run on a fiscally sound keel, but they have not.

//but as for Social Security, it is designed so it doesn't really matter what happens to interest rates. or inflation. the key is "pay as you go financing."// That pay as you go only lasted the first 4 years of the program -- it is a pyramid scheme (yes even Rick Perry can get one right occasionally) and the base is evaporating into the receiving rather then paying mode.. the future ain't pretty even for those who love the smell of books cooking in Washington.


If the SS system ws a ponzi scheme that was only funded for the first 4 years of the program then how has it remained solvant these last 75 years and still have a huge surplus? Read the trustee reports instead of the reports by people that opposed the creation of the system in the first place and have been doing all they could for the past 3/4 of a century to kill it (or citing a fundamentalist wing-nut like Rick Perry as a credible source for anything). furthermore, if we upped the income cap to $175-$250k the system would be solvant for another 75 years...if we did away with the cap altogether it would be solvant forever.
 
 
+5 # Bruce Gruber 2012-09-17 11:28
"We" are NOT buying our own debt. THEY are .. and because THEY think our COLLECTIVE citizenry under OUR (allegedly) representative democracy has a better chance of achieving HUMAN considerations and solutions to natural and man-made problems than MOST other nations. Our DEBT is the request for investment dollars to accomplish OUR goals and priorities - AS A NATION. Plus, the 1%, way down deep, do trust we may be all that's left as (nearly) stable government when it ALL goes to hell in a hand basket of our own greedy weaving.

Government doesn't "spend, borrow and tax" to achieve prosperity. It allocates our tax resources to educate, protect, end enhance the welfare of our citizens. PROFIT or "bottom line" have nothing to do with any part of it. Borrowing, in the form of T-bills, is simply a method for getting more accomplished than taxation of families can accomplish ... oh, yeah! ... but there are those wars....
 
 
+38 # giraffee2012 2012-09-17 08:47
As long as Romney refers to us as "you guys" - his message is clear: All for one and All for one: the one = the 1%

Stupid is as stupid does? So don't be stupid: Vote Obama/ straight Dem and get out there and vote while YOU STILL CAN.
 
 
-8 # jimattrell 2012-09-17 09:03
Banks are not lending money because there are FEW CREDIT WORTHY BORROWERS. I am a bank director and our funds available to lend, like most banks, are huge; while credit worthy business borrowers are few and far between. I watch articles about how we need more money in the system to grow the economy with amazement. What's really happening with this latest move by the Fed is a "propping up" of our stock market; making the rich investors even richer; while our dollar and credit rating is sent towards the basement.
 
 
+11 # BradFromSalem 2012-09-17 10:55
I really doubt that you are bank director. But regardless, I may be incorrect but I recall you writing that you had a business with over 100 employees and then President Obama showed up one day with a pile of pink slips.

Private businesses, unless they can demonstrate that they will take the loan and turn it into a profit, will not get loans. They are unable to turn that loan into a profit because there is a lack of demand. The idea is that by creating a little inflation, then as existing loans get paid off, then businesses would be less dependent on banks to invest in expansion. Also as the existing loans are retired, the previously non-qualified businesses will be more profitable, thus their loan eligibility improves.
Oh, and this whole deal is targeted toward small and medium enterprises.

I thought a bank director would have understood that?
 
 
0 # jimattrell 2012-09-18 08:22
A growing profitable business will always require working capital and capital for new equipment. What business would want to grow in this uncertain environment?
 
 
0 # CAMUS1111 2012-09-18 10:47
bank robber? certainly you're not a rocket scientist...
 
 
+2 # Bruce Gruber 2012-09-17 11:49
So, why are YOU bankers NOT loaning fixed rate mortgages at "historically" low rates to homeowners for re-financing?

Never mind. I think we know.

First, getting FED money at less than 1% and lending it as "adjustable" money at 6 % or more GUARANTEES your profits will multiply like rabbits. Next you can blame 'gummint' regulations foisted by that Tea Party creep who controls FNMA 'investments' while Wall Street continues to "creatively" securitize while hedging its bets, not paying local and state taxes and blaming politically 'correct' home ownership priorities for the "masses" problems.
Not "Creditworthy", my a-double-s! I dare you bankers to tell your customers who have done business with you for decades that they are NOT credit worthy ... they are simply too early with their requests to borrow, invest and grow. You would rather buy back your own stock or play the commodities money with your zero coupon FED bucks ... and the customers' deposits.

YOUR HUMAN rating, as a class, has already reached 'de'basement ... of HELL! ... as BradFromSalem notes, IF you ARE a bank director.
 
 
0 # jimattrell 2012-09-18 08:25
Most banks will avoid (new bank regulations also dictate) home loans, they leave that business to mortgage loan institutions. Most banks rely on Commercial Accounts loans and credit worthy businesses are not borrowing in this uncertain time. It's easier to see what happens and take the simple profitable route.
 
 
-2 # Martintfre 2012-09-17 13:12
Quoting jimattrell:
Banks are not lending money because there are FEW CREDIT WORTHY BORROWERS. I am a bank director and our funds available to lend, like most banks, are huge; while credit worthy business borrowers are few and far between. I watch articles about how we need more money in the system to grow the economy with amazement. What's really happening with this latest move by the Fed is a "propping up" of our stock market; making the rich investors even richer; while our dollar and credit rating is sent towards the basement.


With the interest rates soo low that just a few defaults can crash the whole deal, profit margins extremely thin when the prime rate is 0.25%.

at more normal rates with the Prime at 4% then some defaults could be tolerated - now every lender has to be sterling.
 
 
+3 # Bruce Gruber 2012-09-17 16:46
Wrong! Low interest in no way correlates with defaults. Sucker loans aimed at stiffing unsophisticated buyers contributes mightily to defaults. Business consolidation and transfer overseas diminishes employment and family income - contributing mightily to concentrated defaults in selective employment markets. Sweetheart loans to insider hustling developers like Silverado killed the savings and loan industry as deregulation allowed commercial gambling with stable home mortgage investment. Deregulation by abolishing Glass-Steagall freed Wall Street to 'play' with derivatives and 'hedge' funds to gamble by owning the cards, chips, table, dealer and, finally, the players in its SCOTUS inflicted monopoly of personhood equivalency with cash money. That has produced MASSIVE defaults. Interest rates will rise, but not until average folks get a few bucks in their pockets. Then you will see rates start to rise.
 
 
0 # Martintfre 2012-09-18 05:49
//Wrong! Low interest in no way correlates with defaults.// I think you totally missed the point.

With Higher interest rates the larger profits permit some tolerance for default,
when the interest rates are next to zero
a single default can crash the whole deal.

If I loan out 10 loans of 1,000 at 10%
Then I can make $1,000 (to keep the lights on and pay the secretary) with no defaults - one default wipes out all earnings and makes it break even before expenses.

If I have 10 loans of $1,000 at 1%
then I make $100 with no defaults
One default puts me in the hole $900 before any expenses.
As a lender it is far riskier to loan at such a low rate.

Does that help?
 
 
-1 # Bruce Gruber 2012-09-19 05:33
If you make 10 loans of $50,000 at ANY % of interest, collect 10% in fees and discount points while buttering the bread of your closing attorney, appraiser, insurance agent (and, if you are not part of MIRV and avoiding state and local securities and recording fees), then your money has made $50,000 in cash flow while you played golf or fished.
A. YOU didn't work, your money did.
B. Your MONEY gave itself to you and you should pay the same tax rate as the borrower - not 15% max.
C. You have no risk because you have SOLD the loan to the secondary mortgage market, sometimes 'dumping' loans you KNOW won't succeed but have outrageous penalties and guaranteed failure rate increases with which you sucker punched the borrower.
D. You continue to "service" the loan, extracting 30-40% APR fees for late payments and the like.
E. When default takes place it is YOU, it's FNMA or FHA or VA or FDIC or some other program lobbied successfully to guarantee that YOU don't lose anything ... we, the taxpayers bail you out. Or the FED gives your wife a zero interest coupon loan of 50 million to play with ... Christ was right, 'Throw the money changes out of the temple'. Let 'em peddle their snake oil on the side of the road,
 
 
+3 # dkonstruction 2012-09-18 07:20
this argument makes no sense...since the large banks have access to the FED's "discount window" they can borrow at virtually 0% interest and then loan it out to someone who wants a mortgage for even say 4%...this is a huge spread which yields big returns for the banks so the argument that it is not profitable for the banks to lend just isn't true. What the banks have been doing instead is building up their own cash reserves (since they know they are insolvant...i.e ., bankrupt...and are preparing for the next meltdown since we have in no way solved the "too big to fail" problem or the ultimate causes of this current crisis which is long-term crisis of profitability that US capital has been suffering since the 1970s) as well as purchasing more US gov't debt i.e., we lend them money almost free which they then turn around and loan back to the gov't (by buying gov't debt) to make even more money off of us.
 
 
+3 # Virginia 2012-09-18 01:30
Tell ya what Jim - let's spend $40 BILLION a month on American citizens instead of the banks and see how fast we turn around the economy. Everybody that could use $50k and put it to good use, raise your hands.

If 800,000 families a month were given a tax free bailout and told to spend it or start a business and keep their bills paid and their credit score up so they could qualify to borrower more money in 2 years - just like homeowners with their fraudulent LIBOR ARM loans and promises for refinance...in 2 years more families would be ready to borrow than there would be banks willing to lend.
 
 
+4 # BradFromSalem 2012-09-17 09:03
Yeah, so the Republicans continue to drag out boogey men from the past. How many QE's has the Fed done now? I think this is the third. Each time Paul Krugman (among other Liberal economists) have noted that a QE helps a little, but its not the cure. Which is what happened.
The Republicans and a handful of Conservative (probably not even a majority) Economists drag out the old boogey man; INFLATION. Twice they have been wrong and that boogey man has not responded. I doubt that they will be correct in their belief of an Inflation takeover similar to what happened starting under Nixon/Ford.
Inflation then, was resetting the balance between inefficient military spending and dramatic cutbacks in public spending. This is, of course where we are vulnerable today.
The Inflation boogey man actually performs a critical economic function by forcing a rebalancing of an economy when things go out of whack for too long. So, it appears that the Fed, has realized that it must do something to conjure up Inflation. And since Mr. Krugman has been right all along I am confident that the counter Inflation forces will keep it in check from taking over completely. Those forces of course being the banksters, because inflation will deflate the value of everything they stole leading up to and beyond Sept. 2008.
 
 
-9 # Martintfre 2012-09-17 13:14
//Each time Paul Krugman (among other Liberal economists) have noted that a QE helps a little, but its not the cure.//

it is more like giving a drunk another bottle of whiskey to avoid the DT's when reality is the drunk needs to dry out and its gonna be painful for a while. The market needs to correct its self.
 
 
+3 # Bruce Gruber 2012-09-17 16:48
No, it is like a quack physician prescribing a two day course of antibiotics when a seven day regimen is required to beat back the infection ... but, of course the two day allowance saves money ... or does it?
 
 
0 # Martintfre 2012-09-18 05:40
People who went to school with Bush knew Bush. No one at Cornell seems to have remembered ObamaQuoting Bruce Gruber:
No, it is like a quack physician prescribing a two day course of antibiotics when a seven day regimen is required to beat back the infection ... but, of course the two day allowance saves money ... or does it?



If over spending, over taxing and over regulating was the solution we would not of accumulated $16 trillion in debt and no country in the world would of collapsed for economic reasons.
 
 
+1 # dkonstruction 2012-09-18 10:20
Quoting Martintfre:
People who went to school with Bush knew Bush. No one at Cornell seems to have remembered ObamaQuoting Bruce Gruber:
No, it is like a quack physician prescribing a two day course of antibiotics when a seven day regimen is required to beat back the infection ... but, of course the two day allowance saves money ... or does it?



If over spending, over taxing and over regulating was the solution we would not of accumulated $16 trillion in debt and no country in the world would of collapsed for economic reasons.


yeah, well coke-heads were pretty popular back in the day so it's no wonder so many remember "W"
 
 
0 # CAMUS1111 2012-09-18 10:51
"People who went to school with Bush knew Bush. No one at Cornell seems to have remembered Obama"

@Martintfre: Clear now you are just another racist.
 
 
+1 # dkonstruction 2012-09-18 07:25
Quoting Martintfre:
//Each time Paul Krugman (among other Liberal economists) have noted that a QE helps a little, but its not the cure.//

it is more like giving a drunk another bottle of whiskey to avoid the DT's when reality is the drunk needs to dry out and its gonna be painful for a while. The market needs to correct its self.


If by the "market correcting itself" you mean that the only way for capitalism to temporarily overcome its internal contradictions (i.e., the tendency for the rate of profit to fall) and get out of the current crisis is through a massive destruction of wealth (as we saw in the Great Depression) i would agree with you that this is "the only answer" that capitalism has....the question is whether or not this is a good thing and if not what is the alternative. Because we have not "solved" the current crisis and "the fix" to the earlier crisis (since the 1970s) did not see the kind of destruction of value needed to put the system back on its profitable course the next crisis (which given the compression of time resulting from the new technology and the velocity and volume of capital moving around the globe in the blink of an eye) could well be far more severe than the one we are currently experiencing... the real question is what will be the trigger this time? my guess is the stock market since this is the only asset class that continues to be relatively profitable and thus will lead to the next bubble.
 
 
+11 # overanddone 2012-09-17 09:21
Ode to Mitt

I’m Mitt da Shit
I haven’t much wit,
But my bank accounts are all fat
And some Swiss.

I created thousands of jobs
For minimum wage slobs
At Burger King, Staples &
Sports Authority.

If your job went to China
Don’t be a Wina
Start a hedge fund
and get rich like me

With the best of intentions
I stole lots of pensions
It sucks to be you
And not me.

With the rich I’m connected
So when I’m elected
The very poor I won’t care about
Quote Me.

I said what the facts is
No Need to look at my Taxes
Every cent owed was paid
Blind Trust me.

The Utah Olympics I saved
With 300 million you paid
In taxes? No in Massachusetts
We call taxes a fee.

I skipped Vietnam
With nary a quam
I was saving souls in Paris
You See.

“OBAMACARE” I’ll repeal
On my first day with zeal
Replace it with “DON’TCARE”
That’s Free.

If you don’t like what I say
Just wait one more day
By then I’m sure
We’ll Agree.

So just vote for me
500,000 jobs a month you will see
Just how will I do it?
TRUST ME!
 
 
0 # corals33 2012-09-18 08:51
more of this approach ill certainly make this forum a lot more interesting.nic e.
 
 
0 # corals33 2012-09-18 08:52
The federal Reserve is more of an imposition than an institution and should be described as such.
 
 
0 # corals33 2012-09-18 08:55
stop spending money on going to mars and the killing machine called the military and that might stop us going to hell before we get to civilization.
 
 
+6 # Sweet Pea 2012-09-17 09:28
The major culprit in our economy is that the U.S.A. doesn't produce much of anything. Yes, our agriculture is doing okay, but the work is done by large machinery requiring little labor. The huge corporations are investing in companies producing products in other countries with cheap labor. We no longer have jobs. If we produce nothing we earn nothing. To support our economy, we borrow more money. If we continnue this system, we will borrow ourselve so deep into debt that we won't have a sytem capable of ever paying it back in a lifetime.
 
 
+4 # dkonstruction 2012-09-17 09:40
the question is what stimulus money is spent on. If the FED gives (or loans at almost 0% interest) rate to the private banks who then turn around and simply purchase more treasury bonds (i.e., US debt) then this doesn't "stimulate" the economy at all. This was the problem with much of the initial so-called stimulus that could have been used to launch a national infrastructure building project, for example, or another to retrofit every public building in the country (to start) so that they are energy efficient. Instead, trillions were handed over to the banks who got us into this mess so they could do with these funds what they wanted instead of what needed to be done.

And, as the audit of the FED made clear, in addition to the officieal bailout funds, the FED loaned (again at almost 0% interest) the banks more than $16 trillion...this was sufficient to fully pay off the entire US national debt.

So, the question is not simply stimulus vs. no stimulus but rather what sort of stimulus would actually benefit the economy (and the vast majority of americans) both in the short-term as well as over the long haul.
 
 
+7 # Nell H 2012-09-17 09:40
To really understand what Mr. Romney stands for, we need to see his federal tax returns.
 
 
-10 # Martintfre 2012-09-17 13:15
Quoting Nell H:
To really understand what Mr. Romney stands for, we need to see his federal tax returns.


The country needs to see Obama's college transcripts. He promise the most transparent administration ever -- why has he not delivered?
 
 
+8 # BlueReview 2012-09-17 15:32
Quoting Martintfre:
Quoting Nell H:
To really understand what Mr. Romney stands for, we need to see his federal tax returns.


The country needs to see Obama's college transcripts. He promise the most transparent administration ever -- why has he not delivered?


Did Bush ever release his?
 
 
0 # Virginia 2012-09-18 01:32
Can you spell C-A-Y-M-A-N?
 
 
+7 # tclose 2012-09-17 09:44
Another clearly articulated viewpoint by Dr. Krugman. And another criticism of Romney's financial policy, which is ever changing but always aimed at benefiting the wealthy at the expense of the middle class.
 
 
+7 # Pollard 2012-09-17 09:51
Romney would prefer 2000 bases in 260 countries as opposed to 1000 bases in 130 countries. He is a slave to adelson and the war mongerers
 
 
+8 # Nell H 2012-09-17 09:57
The Republicans must think that Mr. Bernanke's plan will help the job situation. Otherwise, they wouldn't oppose it.
 
 
-12 # REDPILLED 2012-09-17 10:00
Meanwhile, Obama STILL refuses to directly create jobs, refusing to learn from what FDR did.

Imagine millions of jobs repairing infrastructure, retrofitting conservation measures to homes and businesses, manufacturing and installing solar and wind power systems, and hiring more teachers to lower class sizes in all elementary and secondary schools. Apparently, Obama and the Democrats refuse to imagine.
 
 
+12 # Art947 2012-09-17 11:26
Do you know or care that Obama has proposed a number of jobs bills that your idiot friends in the Republican-cont rolled House have refused to consider? Are you aware of the fact that these bums, who campaigned in 2010 on Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, have not proposed a single jobs bill that would be effective in putting people back to work? The only jobs that Republicans seem to be interested in are those those make women vassals, make sure that they have no control over their bodies, and try to take away their right to vote.
 
 
+1 # dkonstruction 2012-09-18 07:58
Quoting REDPILLED:
Meanwhile, Obama STILL refuses to directly create jobs, refusing to learn from what FDR did.

Imagine millions of jobs repairing infrastructure, retrofitting conservation measures to homes and businesses, manufacturing and installing solar and wind power systems, and hiring more teachers to lower class sizes in all elementary and secondary schools. Apparently, Obama and the Democrats refuse to imagine.


REDPILLED, truly amazing that as of when i'm writing this you have 9 thumbs down for a comment asking why the dems have not put forth a real WPA-style jobs/public works program....this is precisely what people like Krugman, Reich and Stiglitz (among others) have been calling for since the crisis hit and who seem to be so beloved (for the most part) on this board...i have my problems with the Keynsians but it's a no brainer to say that instead of lending (at almost 0% interest) the banks trillions that this money could have been much better spent putting the country back to work and building the energy efficient infrastructure we need for the 21ss century. I applaud your comment and am stunned at the morons who gave you a thumbs down (question is do we think they are "conservative" or "progressive" morons as their is certainly enough stupidity in this country to go around.
 
 
0 # David Heizer 2012-09-20 21:18
Thumbs down because only an idiot or a Republican troll would pretend that it is Obama who is "refusing" to create jobs. There is no way this uber-pragmatist is going to waste political capital floating a pie-in-the-sky dream bill that wouldn't stand a snowball's chance of making it out of committee in this Republican-hobb led Congress. Even a jobs bill *co-written by Republicans* ultimately got killed just to make him look bad. A WPA is a complete non-starter, as long as this idiot country keeps larding up Congress with filibuster-happ y Republicans.

The only thing he *could* do (but won't, because he's a political realist) is take it directly to the people, try to sell the country hard on a WPA, and gamble that the idea would be popular enough to run roughshod over the apoplectic Republicans, but, frankly, I think the Koch juggernaut is just too powerful for that to work. They'd pull out all the stops, and spend billions to bring it down in crashing defeat.

*Maybe* if we can get a supermajority, and keep turning up the heat after November, such a thing might actually become possible. But to suggest that it's possible now, save only for Obama's "refusal," is ludicrous.
 
 
0 # dkonstruction 2012-09-21 06:29
David, since i'm not a republican you will have to decide whether that makes me an idiot or whether there is a third option.

I have no illusions that, given the current congress, Obama would be able to get a full blown WPA/New Deal style public works program through. However, it does not follow that as President, Obama could not have articulated a real vision of how we could put people back to work and make the case for it...then, of course, comes the negotiations/co mpromises with congress etc., but if you don't start with the vision you wind up starting from such a compromised position that it only gets worse from there (health care reform is a good example i think where Obama took single payer or even the public option "off the table" before the "battle" had even begun).

Just compare Obama's speeches to someone like Teddy Roosevelt's speeches against the power of the trusts in his day or FDR's speeches around the New Deal and it seems pretty clear that what we have now is simply not either bold or "visionary" leadership.

Obama could have used all of the support he got in 2008 (including the millions in their email database) to try and "rally the troops" to push for genuinely progressive reforms on health care, financial reform, help for homeowners facing foreclosure etc. This would have put him and the dems as a whole in a much better bargaining position instead of having to "give away the store" in order to settle for the crumbs.
 
 
+13 # reiverpacific 2012-09-17 10:04
As an economic nincompoop who understands very little of the lingo, I appreciate Mr Krugman's and at times Robert Reich's "dumbing it down" for the likes of me.
I don't usually comment on these issues but have to note how once again, the Rethugs have and have never had ANYTHING, repeat ANYTHING fresh, creative or non-predictable to offer but criticism of whatever the other side proposes or tries to enact.
The seeming desire for what I can only call "Stagnation" is the password on the right but don't ask them for anything productive or stimulating.
Pah, Humbug!
Let them eat lobbyists!
 
 
+1 # mgwmgw 2012-09-17 10:13
What do we expect that "buying assets other than Treasury bills, such as long-term U.S. debt. The hope has been that such purchases will drive down the cost of borrowing, and boost the economy even though conventional monetary policy has reached its limit" will do?
 
 
-3 # Martintfre 2012-09-17 13:17
If you want to buy an asset I suggest something with more value then paper and ink.

What is Gresham law?
 
 
0 # angryspittle 2012-09-17 10:31
I don't suppose that Rmoney promising to fire Bernanke had anything to do with it?
 
 
+10 # daddydt 2012-09-17 10:35
No one explains it better than Dr. Krugman.
 
 
-5 # Martintfre 2012-09-17 13:18
Quoting daddydt:
No one explains it better than Dr. Krugman.


Actually any Austrian economist will describe it better then Krugman.
 
 
+2 # dkonstruction 2012-09-18 06:17
Quoting Martintfre:
Quoting daddydt:
No one explains it better than Dr. Krugman.


Actually any Austrian economist will describe it better then Krugman.


Actually not, as the Austrian school has no adequate explanation for what causes economic crises in a capitalist economy (neither to the Keynsians such as Krugman, Stiglitz or Recich for that matter but that is another story)
 
 
+1 # Pollard 2012-09-17 10:59
The Democrats have been eager participants in the trillion dollar wars over the decades. Raping social security and mortgaging American children's futures is never too small a price to pay if the Merchants of Death in Manhattan order up war profits. The nation is bankrupt in part due to 1000 bases in 130 countries. If Bibi told Romney to install 2000 bases in 260 countries he would do it, which is why I will vote for Obama.

The establishment Democrat Party nationwide is controlled by the New York Democrat Party. They oppose Occupy Wall Street and auditing the Federal Reserve for the same reasons they bang the drums for every war. The New York Times and the Manhattan cable news stations are America's adult education.
 
 
0 # Netra Halperin 2012-09-17 11:47
checking
 
 
-7 # Martintfre 2012-09-17 13:25
Oh yes before I forget folks

YES WE CAN! GET America
downgraded again.

We just went from AA to AA-
(Before helicopter Ben and Obama got together we were AAA)

I didn't see Krugman mentioning that little factoid. probably because when Ben mentioned QE3 that ensured our downgrade.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/09/14/ratings-agency-egan-jones-downgrades-us-debt/
 
 
+1 # reiverpacific 2012-09-17 19:13
Quoting Martintfre:
Oh yes before I forget folks

YES WE CAN! GET America
downgraded again.

We just went from AA to AA-
(Before helicopter Ben and Obama got together we were AAA)

I didn't see Krugman mentioning that little factoid. probably because when Ben mentioned QE3 that ensured our downgrade.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/09/14/ratings-agency-egan-jones-downgrades-us-debt/

Y'know you, like most Libertarians, remind me of a series of battering-rams made of worm-eaten wood. Keep throwin' them at any given target and they'll always collapse at the first true apposite reaction.
Please, make a relevant point or go back to bed; y'r nails scratch the blackboard too often for cohesive discussion.
Example; What the Hell has Obama's (or anybody else's) transcripts have to do with anything even slightly related to this topic? Really pushed here, aren't ya mate?
"Sound and fury denoting nothing".
 
 
-2 # Martintfre 2012-09-18 05:33
Sure Reiver.. - (rock a by baby)
go to sleep,
go to sleep,
there is nothing to see here.

go to sleep,
Go to sleep,
Lord Obama n Bernaki love you
...

By the way Reiver..
Our credit was again down graded because of policies of Bernaki and Obama.
 
 
0 # reiverpacific 2012-09-18 09:13
Quoting Martintfre:
Sure Reiver.. - (rock a by baby)
go to sleep,
go to sleep,
there is nothing to see here.

go to sleep,
Go to sleep,
Lord Obama n Bernaki love you
...

By the way Reiver..
Our credit was again down graded because of policies of Bernaki and Obama.

There's enough blame to go around but I still don't here any ideas, especially from the likes of you Libertarians and certainly not the Rethugs.
Enjoy yer seat on the sidelines - idea-free, cry baby perpertually-un happy grouch! I bet you wake up on a nice day and declare "We'll pay for this"!
Ron Paul loves you!
I rest my case; 'nuff said; -I'm done with this one, as I hate to keep bangin' on an irrevocably flabby drum.
 
 
0 # dkonstruction 2012-09-18 06:20
Quoting Martintfre:
Oh yes before I forget folks

YES WE CAN! GET America
downgraded again.

We just went from AA to AA-
(Before helicopter Ben and Obama got together we were AAA)

I didn't see Krugman mentioning that little factoid. probably because when Ben mentioned QE3 that ensured our downgrade.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/09/14/ratings-agency-egan-jones-downgrades-us-debt/


You are correct that the same ratings agencies that missed the dot com bubble, missed Enron, missed the housing bubble, and missed the real "risk" (i.e., rating) of the banks toxic securitized mortgages (not to mention other derivatives) do have the power to downgrade the US economy...but this speaks to their inordinate, undeserved and fundamentally undemocratic power rather than to any policies chosen or not chosen by the US gov't and or the FED.
 
 
0 # David Heizer 2012-09-20 21:23
Quoting dkonstruction:
You are correct that the same ratings agencies that missed the dot com bubble, missed Enron, missed the housing bubble, and missed the real "risk" (i.e., rating) of the banks toxic securitized mortgages (not to mention other derivatives) do have the power to downgrade the US economy...but this speaks to their inordinate, undeserved and fundamentally undemocratic power rather than to any policies chosen or not chosen by the US gov't and or the FED.

And since, as you've pointed out, they've demonstrated their uselessness many times, the markets continue to ignore them.
 
 
0 # dkonstruction 2012-09-21 06:32
Quoting David Heizer:
Quoting dkonstruction:
You are correct that the same ratings agencies that missed the dot com bubble, missed Enron, missed the housing bubble, and missed the real "risk" (i.e., rating) of the banks toxic securitized mortgages (not to mention other derivatives) do have the power to downgrade the US economy...but this speaks to their inordinate, undeserved and fundamentally undemocratic power rather than to any policies chosen or not chosen by the US gov't and or the FED.

And since, as you've pointed out, they've demonstrated their uselessness many times, the markets continue to ignore them.


If you think the markets "ignore" the ratings agencies i think you are deluding yourself. More importantly, at this point, is that the ratings agencies are essentially trying to influence the political policies of the US government which is not and was never intended to be their role nor was it intended to give them this power (and if you think congress is not reacting to the threats of the ratings agencies i think this is also delusional).
 
 
+4 # CC1951 2012-09-17 13:40
I cannot understand his ideas for the economy, probably because I've yet to hear it. How can one be expected to manage the county's financial state, if he cannot even bring himself to be honest with with the American public concerning his taxes....which everyone PAYS!!!
I've never heard of a presidential candidate having off-shore accounts-only crooks having them. Thank God for the likes of Krugman!!!
 
 
+1 # brux 2012-09-18 00:34
> I've never heard of a presidential candidate having off-shore accounts-only crooks having them.

yeah, i wonder why that is so dismissed and ignored, romney should be asked point blank, why do you maintain offshore accounts?
 
 
0 # jimattrell 2012-09-18 08:29
Have a look at what has happened to our US Dollar compared to the eight strongest currencies in the world and then you to will be looking at transferring your retirement fund to Canada or Australia where ard a large amount of money has been going for the last six years. Those are the best places to have "off-shore" accounts according to the experts.
 
 
0 # brux 2012-09-18 18:49
So, then, as I said, let Romney say that publicly and let there be a debate about it ... fair ?
 
 
+4 # jerryball 2012-09-17 14:16
Thank goodness someone is trying to fix the unemployment. The worthless Republicans in the Congress are determined to bring down the middle class of America and will do nothing but filibuster everything.
 
 
+3 # Patch 2012-09-17 14:42
To fully understand the enormity of our problems and know the culprits, read: "Predator Nation" by Charles Ferguson. He's the man who made the award willing film: "Inside Job."
 
 
0 # natalierosen 2012-09-18 04:17
SO this is the crux of the argument and the two so called disparate political economic policy theories. One wants only the market to dictate the amelioration of the economic sewer and says only it (the market) can do this.

The other camp says as FDR began that government when needed is the only entity with resources and structure in the form of the Fed that can help an economy out of the mud. As a progressive I buy this approach.

BUT i would love someone to explain why some in investment gravitate to Ron Paul saying the Fed must be abolished because it is in essence creating something out of nothing. They say there is NOTHING of value to back it up their quantitative easing and this fiat currency of paper is a psychological sham.

Someone I know wants me to read the "Creature of Jekyll Island" the history of the surreptitious creation of the Fed by the barons of wealth in 1910. Although the author has been associated with cranks Jekyll Island for some noteworthy people is gospel.

Bottom line: Does the Fed create money out of nothing printing paper money wily nilly making huge profits by selling this nothing at the bargain window? Truly I am NOT anti Fed or Bernanke but I, who know not very much economic, want to know what a Krugman would say to oppose this Libertarian argument. Can someone help explain this to me?
 
 
+1 # dkonstruction 2012-09-18 05:14
Natalie,

First, i would recommend William Greider's "Secrets of the Temple" for a book on the FED....It's a much more "scholarly" work than Jekyll Island and Greider is well respected (i.e., not associated with cranks).

For reading money; how it is created, the money supply and banking, check out Ellen Brown's book "Web of Debt." She is the leading American public intellectual on this stuff and her book is great (you will also never look at the Wizard of Oz the same way after reading it.

To answer your question though, yes, the money is created out of nothing i.e., it is merely a bookkeeping/acc ounting entry. More importantly, our money is created as debt when the government sells Treasury Bills, Notes or longer term Bonds which are IOU's to the purchaser for principle plus interest.

What Krugman is opposing is the idea of going back on the gold standard as the solution to our problems. we went off the gold standard because we didn't have enough gold to pay off all the dollars in circulation (a dollar is really just another IOU backed by "the full faith and credit of the US government") i.e., we had to.

The real alternative is for the government to print its own money debt free (as Lincoln did during the Civil War) as opposed to issuing it as debt through the private banking system and it is this that people like Krugman, Reich and Stiglitz never talk about becuase it would completely challenge the current system.
 
 
+2 # coberly 2012-09-18 06:32
natalie

william greider wrote a book called "Secrets of the Temple". it's very long and sometimes you can read for pages thinking you understand only to realize that you don't. still, it's a pretty good place to start to learn what is really going on with the economy and the Fed.

the government (and the banks) "can" create money out of nothing, but only for a short time or inflation can become a problem. every government knows this and they don't want inflation... which sometimes has other causes than the government printing money, or even than the government can control... so they use the power to create money only to stimulate enough economic activity to actually create the wealth that the money would be needed to "pay for."

the system works better than the old gold standard... and that's why everyone uses it. the banks and money people understand this.


only cranks and simple minded people who don't understand money call for a return to the gold standard. whether Ryan is a fool (i think he is) or just a smart politician who knows he can get votes by appealing to the simple minded, i can't say. but i don't think there is much chance his "advisers" (donors) would let him try most of the stuff he talks about.
 
 
0 # natalierosen 2012-09-18 08:16
Thanks to Coberly and dconstruction for taking the time to answer my question. You have given me some objective direction without the hyperbolic verbiage of those who have an agenda.
 
 
0 # corals33 2012-09-18 09:02
the world economy will pick up after the killing and destruction ends and the rebuilding of the destroyed can proceed.it will then be business as usual and all these bad times will be quickly forgotten.
TILL THE NEXT TIME. TRUST ME!!
 
 
0 # mppeace 2012-09-18 15:19
Krugman is a bit smarter than the Neanderthal GOP gang of mad C.O.W.s(Coaliti on of Oilers and Warmongers), but he still doesn't get it. The Fed under 'Bailout Ben' is running out of monetary bullets, since none of his 16 Trillion-dollar -and-counting, interest-free loans to Wall Street banksters have helped to improve the economy(save for the unprecedented profits of mega-corporatio ns and billions of bonuses for their CEOs!) Tghe truth is, we have already gone past the Era of Peak Capitalism, and from now on, it's a fast descent into Clunkered Capitallism's self-created financial Abyss of Evil. there won't be a "recovery" at all to millions of lost jobs or a return to a decent-pay working class at all, whatever the Fed does. Only by making the financial gamblers pay for their own toxic derivatives, will there be even a chance of redemption.
 

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