Excerpt: "If you care about incentives, you should care about everyone's incentives. The top 0.01 percent may like to imagine that it is the engine of the economy, but there is no good reason to believe that there is anything special about their role other than the fact that they make lots of money."
Portrait, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, 06/15/09. (photo: Fred R. Conrad/NYT)
Whose Incentives?
11 July 12
note on taxes, benefits, and incentives, inspired by the “we are VIP/engine of the economy” crowd.
There is no question that incentives matter, that other things equal, someone facing a high marginal tax rate will work less than he or she would otherwise. How much they matter is another issue; in fact, careful empirical study suggests that they matter far less than right-wing mythology would have it.
But there’s a further point: if you care about incentives, you should care about everyone’s incentives. The top 0.01 percent may like to imagine that it is the engine of the economy, but there is no good reason to believe that there is anything special about their role other than the fact that they make lots of money. Or to be a bit more specific, there is no reason to believe that there is a larger gap between the social marginal product of super-elite earners and their pay than there is for anyone else. (If anything, given the prominence of dubious financial activities in the top .01’s income, the presumption goes the other way). So if you’re worried about the effect of marginal tax rates on work incentives, you should worry about that effect at all income levels.
And here’s the thing: it’s actually a well-documented fact that effective marginal rates are highest, not on the superrich, but on workers toward the lower end of the scale. Why? Partly because of the payroll tax, but largely because of means-tested benefits that fade out as your income rises. Here’s a recent discussion by Eugene Steuerle (pdf), with this figure included:
So if you’re really, really concerned about incentives, you should focus not on top rates but on this lower-income trap. How can this be done?
Well, one answer is to be meaner to the poor; bringing us back to Dickensian conditions would reduce effective marginal tax rates, plus lead to a lot of starving children and such.
Another answer is to do less means-testing — for example, to provide universal health care, free school lunches for all, etc.. Of course, this would require more money, and hence higher marginal tax rates on higher incomes — but remember, those incomes aren’t where the acute incentive problems are to be found.
But in the real world, of course, conservatives want more means-testing, not less, so that they can afford to cut tax rates at the top. Social justice aside, this actually makes the “real tax system”, as Steuerle dubs it, even more distorted.
And all of this is justified with the mythology that the rich make a special contribution to the economy over and above the huge amounts they actually get paid. Funny how that works.
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First, only kids whose parent are too poor get free lunches. What defines too poor? To what level of detail do we need to examine a family's income in order to decide their gets a free meal. Who does that paperwork, and who gets to review it? What about the social cost to the kids when other kids find out who gets free lunches and who doesn't.
Remove all the overhead that includes archaic paperwork since the Republicans never want to invest in government information infrastructure unless its used to arrest people.
The Republicans are so worried about someone getting something for free that it trumps all other considerations including their disdain of government, and in the end their insatiable desire to eliminate all taxes, except on the poor.
Are you talking about CINOs (Christians In Name Only)? Or are you talking about those timid folks who place themselves in gated communities where they don't ever see the homeless except on 54" TVs? Or those who's kids are in private school where lunch is included in the tuition? Maybe you're talking about people who don't FEAR getting sick and losing a day's pay that would sink their mortgage?
It's fine that a lot of eligible people are denied help as long as no one who isn't eligible gets help. In many cases it would be a lot cheaper to give free lunches and breakfasts to the whole school than to single out the 5% who wouldn't be eligible. The reduction in paperwork would more than pay for those 5%, but the right wing would rather pay extra to ensure that someone else doesn't get something that they might not be entitled to. I wish they were as concerned about getting something you aren't entitled to when it comes to CEO's.
Very good commentary.
The burn is the rich dump the money on these empty suits to protcet themselves from giving a little to the masses.
Tired of Cake (crumbs), off with thier heads.
I was not addressing Krugman's point in my reply to Bodiotoo. I was only speaking to Bodiotoos math of 3% on a person making a million dollars. The rest of Bodiotoo's comments make a lot of sense, I was clearing up a matter I believed B may have misunderstood.
Milt Lauenstin
Secondly, we as a country can come up with equations that create a smooth income curve. And we can understand them and do our own taxes with them. It's not that hard.
Oust them, now, while we still can. If they are criminals, arrest, prosecute and imprison them. Having money is not a crime. How you got it and how you use it may be.
It's already been pointed out ad infinitum that during Clinton's two terms, the then 35% upper marginal bracket existed side-by-side with the creation of 23 million jobs and the largest surplus in American budgetary history. To return to this bracket for upper-income Americans represents optimal political compromise,
acknowledgement of essential fairness and justice in a reformed tax system, and a dramatic impact on both government spending priorities and the economic outlook. Add raising the ceiling on social security-taxed income levels, again a matter of fairness, and we're on to recovering our collective conscience as a nation.
But the wealthy aren't the only ones benefitting from taxes that hit the lower classes the most. The book "Saving America: Using Democratic Capitalism to Rescue the Nation from Economic Folly" (Algora Publishing of New York city) shows how a single mother who cleans houses for a living and has no health insurance or home for herself and children has been subsidizing for decades those who get health insurance on the job and those who deduct interest payments on their million-dollar mortgages.
It's examples like this that call for a whole new taxing system, not just tinkering with the corrupt system now in place that hits those at the bottom hardest and gives a free ride to numerous corporations and mega-rich individuals.
Being that, in a just and fair society, those that benefit the most should pay the most; but that does not necessarily require our current convoluted taxation system with varying percentages imposed and loopholes galore.
Proposed: Only 2 types of taxes are to be levied and NO deductions or other types of tax avoidance are to be tolerated at any level by any entity. (corporations are people, my ass!)
Type-I: A 1% Transaction Tax covering all monetary transactions; said tax to be calculated and included by the seller and "built into" the total purchase price prior to the exchange.
For example:
The purchase of a 1 dollar hamburger will cost you 99 cents plus 1 cent Transaction Tax.
The purchase of a 1 million dollar home will cost you 990,000 dollars plus 10,000 dollars Transaction Tax.
The purchase of 1 billion dollars worth of E-Trade transactions from the comfort of your down-filled leather-covered motorized executive throne when you could be accomplishing something worthwhile, will cost you 990,000,000 dollars plus 10,000,000 dollars Transaction Tax.
***This is Part 1 - Part 2 shall follow***
Type-II: A 1% Accumulation Tax covering all accumulated assets; said tax to be calculated on the basis of the original purchase price and to be included on your Asset Disclosure Statement and paid on an annual basis.
For example:
If, for some ungodly reason, you decided to keep that 1 dollar hamburger in a glass display case in your library for posterity, it will cost you 1 cent Accumulation Tax every subsequent year.
If you still own that 1 million dollar home, it will cost you 10,000 dollars Accumulation Tax every subsequent year.
If you still control that 1 billion dollars worth of E-Trade stocks 10,000,000 dollars Accumulation Tax every subsequent year.
Both taxes are to be levied and collected ONLY by the federal government and no other forms of taxation are to be tolerated. Distribution of the collected funds shall be a 50-50 split between the operation of the federal government and the operation of the state governments, because these are indeed "united" states.
No More multi-billion dollar corporations avoiding their obligation to the citizens of the nation that made them great in the first place. On an individual level, if you want to live in the lap of luxury, then you will contribute according to your level of greed on a yearly basis, based on your hoarding the assets of the creativity and production of the hundreds or thousands of employees that worked to provide you with those items. In exchange for your luxury, you will provide the funds to supply all of our citizens with cradle to grave health-care, education if desired, a reasonable national defense, a sound infrastructure and police and fire safety operations.
(quit yer bitchin', it's only 1% ..... it would take 100 years for the taxed value of the item to double the item's cost)
Thank you, Doctor Krugman.
I worked for an oil company for nine years, EGN on the stock exchange, and fully integrated their digital engineering environment from DOS to Windows through the intranet and into the internet flawlessly, for all practical purposes, over that time, putting them in first place for the mid-sized bracket, but, bringing others along as well. Their stock grew five times from 07/97 to 08/06 when they ousted me, tricking me when, like the Argentinian baby thieves (http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/12325-did-reagan-know-about-baby-thefts)our system attacked me so wickedly, I was left stunned. That is another story, but one item is the art piece destroyed in front of the IMAX theater in Birmingham, AL, a solid, liquid, and gas design in the artist's mind, not working from the day of the Iraq war to today, it won't run the gas portion. 9/11? The CEO of Energen never had any use for my symmetrical evolution within the context of their asymmetrical 'captain' approach. As the true natures were independent, he made more millions than you can spit at, then went on to become CEO of construction of Children's Hospital, another Manson exercise. Anyway, just too much to tell here..
EGN has not grown since...
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