RSN Fundraising Banner
FB Share
Email This Page
add comment

Pierce writes: "I'm truly not sure how long the institutions of government can withstand this daily insanity."

Donald Trump. (photo: Getty)
Donald Trump. (photo: Getty)

How Much More of Trump's Insanity Are We Willing to Take?

By Charles Pierce, Esquire

12 January 18

Reflections on the morning after President* Trump's "shithole" comments.

t or near the end of business on Thursday, as the entire world—even the shitholes—knows by now, via The Washington Post, the president* provided a perfect ending to another day in our lunatic paradise.

Trump questioned why the United States would want people from nations such as Haiti, while being briefed on changes to the visa lottery system. According to the aide, when the group came to discussing immigration from Africa Trump asked why we want all these people from "all these shithole countries" and that the U.S. should have more people from places like Norway. The White House issued a statement that did not deny the remarks. "Certain Washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries, but President Trump will always fight for the American people," White House Deputy Press Secretary Raj Shah told NBC Thursday afternoon, part of a lengthy statement that did not directly dispute the language reportedly used in the meeting. "He will always reject temporary, weak and dangerous stopgap measures that threaten the lives of hardworking Americans, and undercut immigrants who seek a better life in the United States through a legal pathway."

Some of the initial reactions to the president*’s diatribe were predictably revolting. White House aides burbled that these remarks would play well to The Base. (Economic anxiety has many faces, as we know.) On Thursday night, a ragged band of apologists for the president* fanned out to the cable shows. All of them eventually found themselves arguing that, hey, if you like places like that, why don’t you go live there? It was pathetic.

By Friday morning, the president* (or someone like him) was back tweeting bullshit about how the Democrats were to blame for the immigration impasse, about how he never said what his own staff declined to deny, and some completely surreal nonsense about how the Obama administration sold the American Embassy in London for “peanuts,” and that’s why he won’t be going to Great Britain any time soon.

(Not that it matters in the great scheme of things, but the Bush Administration sold the embassy in 2008 because of security concerns.)

Also, Jake Tapper of CNN tweeted that he had a source familiar with the meeting who told him that the president* was referring only to countries in Africa as shitholes. But even Tapper’s source told him that the president* did ask why we “needed” more Haitians and that they should be “taken out” of whatever deal, if any, is finally reached. This certainly doesn’t make anything better, but it might explain why the president*’s denials Friday morning were limited to his alleged remarks on Haiti. And, as for why we don’t see many people immigrating here from Norway, I can’t explain it either. Why don't more of those nice white folks give up national healthcare, a guaranteed pension, sickness and survivor benefits, and free college to come here and be embarrassed on a daily basis by a vulgar talking yam? There's just no understanding some people.

Even if Tapper’s right, the remarks remain racist, ignorant, and dangerous. As to the latter, right now, there are 6,000 American soldiers stationed all over Africa in places like Niger, where four Americans were killed from ambush last fall, and Mali, as well as in Cameroon, and in Somalia and Djibouti, on the eastern side of the continent. There has been an American military presence in Djibouti for longer than anywhere else in Africa. The country needs cooperation from these countries in fighting terrorist groups like Boko Haram and what’s left of al Qaeda. By allowing the American military into their country, these governments put bullseyes on themselves. This is what they get in return? And we probably shouldn’t forget that some of the countries in this hemisphere remain devastated at least partly because of American military meddling over the past century.

In addition, according to The New York Times, the Norwegians are outraged at having been drawn into the president*’s psychoses uninvited. I mean, there they were, laying in supplies in preparation to watch their countrymen kick the world’s ass at the Winter Olympics when suddenly, they get dragooned into whatever twisted drama is playing out in the president*’s mind this week.

“The real White House: Trump calls Haiti and African countries ‘shithole’ countries to the face of members of Congress, and uses Norway to prove his racism,” wrote Andreas Wiese, a newspaper commentator who manages the House of Literature, a popular cultural center in Oslo, Norway’s capital.

Helge Ogrim, a veteran journalist who used to cover the United States for the Norwegian News Agency, said of Mr. Trump’s latest remark: “It falls into a pattern of nativist and very unpleasant language from a poorly qualified president, if not worse. President Trump seems to relish in derogatory remarks about others and praise for himself. This incident, just after his blunder with the fictional ‘F-52’ planes, further lowers the respect for his office and for the U.S. abroad.”

Is it that hard to stay friendly with Norwegians? Really?

And, of course, outside of Haitian-American Congresswoman Mia Love of Utah, most Republicans have gone quiet on the whole business. Orrin Hatch, for example, screwed his courage to the sticking place and demanded “a more detailed explanation” of the president*’s remarks, and James Lankford of Oklahoma pronounced himself to be disappointed “if the remarks are accurate.”

I’m truly not sure how long the institutions of government can withstand this daily insanity. The executive branch is a chew-toy. The legislative majorities seem willing to cooperate in their own institutional destruction. There has been some pushback on the lower levels of the federal court system. But, for 30 years, by fair means and foul, the Republicans have been arranging things to produce a one-party corporate state. Now, they have it, or something close to it, except that a half-senile, racist old bag of guts got elected to run it, which is not something they planned on. This modern, caucasian reboot of The Emperor Jones is overlong and incoherent, and Robert Mueller is beating on those drums so loudly that it’s distracting the lead actors.

Up here in the Commonwealth (God save it!), we have a rising political star named Linda Dorcena Forry. She represents the First Suffolk District in the state senate and is currently the assistant majority leader. She also is the child of Haitian immigrants. On Thursday, she released a statement concerning the president*’s remarks.

I have received inquiries asking for my reaction to the president's latest racist slur directed against Haitians and people of African descent worldwide. I am really getting tired of having to do this. I have to express first how demoralizing and upsetting it is to have to register my outrage about hateful remarks made by my own president. And then to have to do it again. And again. The president's words are ignorant and repulsive and an affront to decency and to history.

Like many, I would like to believe that Trump represents the last gasp of a racist worldview that has been in retreat, here in America, since the fall of Jim Crow. Sadly, his views and his presidency serve to embolden other hateful people and to diminish our nation's position as a power for good, for decency, for democracy. Those who enable and normalize his behavior are every bit as culpable as the president himself.

As leaders and as people of free-will, I call upon all Americans to denounce his statements. I'm very disappointed in us, the people of the United States, who saw fit to elect an ignorant, mean-spirited, white supremacist to the most powerful office in the world. This is a very sad time for our country. I ask that the people of Haiti and the African diaspora worldwide keep us in their prayers.

Finally, tonight is the eve of a heart wrenching anniversary for Haiti, for our hemisphere and for all people. Eight years ago tomorrow, Haiti suffered one of the greatest natural catastrophes of the modern age when an earthquake struck on Jan. 12, 2010. Hundreds of thousands of people died. So many more were maimed and left homeless for years to come. Haiti is still working hard to recover and to grieve. On behalf of my family and my constituents here in Boston, I extend my deepest condolences to the families of the victims of the Jan. 12 disaster, who are tonight thinking of their loved ones they have lost. We will always be with you.

This is how leaders talk. This is how presidents used to talk. Goddamn us for forgetting that. your social media marketing partner


A note of caution regarding our comment sections:

For months a stream of media reports have warned of coordinated propaganda efforts targeting political websites based in the U.S., particularly in the run-up to the 2016 presidential election.

We too were alarmed at the patterns we were, and still are, seeing. It is clear that the provocateurs are far more savvy, disciplined, and purposeful than anything we have ever experienced before.

It is also clear that we still have elements of the same activity in our article discussion forums at this time.

We have hosted and encouraged reader expression since the turn of the century. The comments of our readers are the most vibrant, best-used interactive feature at Reader Supported News. Accordingly, we are strongly resistant to interrupting those services.

It is, however, important to note that in all likelihood hardened operatives are attempting to shape the dialog our community seeks to engage in.

Adapt and overcome.

Marc Ash
Founder, Reader Supported News

+99 # bread and butter 2018-01-12 14:37
Nothing will come of any of this until DNC Democrats STOP CALCULATING that "Pence would be worse because he's sane".

If DNC Democrats refuse to step up to the plate, they're, ONCE AGAIN, just as responsible as Republicans for the mess our 3rd world country (with smart phones) is in.

Inaction is complicity.
+36 # Moxa 2018-01-12 16:52
Do you mean by "stepping up to the plate" impeachment? It seems unlikely it would happen because the Republicans would not allow it.'

But I agree it's all up to the Democrats. The only way this will stop is by having a party that represents the people and looks out for them. We don't have that. And we wonder why the Democrats keep losing?

That is all it would take. Actually stand up for the people: not in ridiculous double talk about "values" and "availability of health care for everyone" (does this mean anything at all?), but a $15 dollar minimum wage and Medicare for all, and big money out of politics, and free college. Then you will see a rapid change in voter support and voter motivation. They've never tried telling the truth about how the corporations and the rich are running this country and they've never offered an alternative. That's all they have to do and Trump would be gone, along with all his plutocratic henchmen.

You know, it's like the marketplace. If all you have are junk products out there, it would be obvious that there would be a demand for real quality merchandise. Anyone can understand this. But in politics all we get is garbage. THAT is why we have Trump--and George W. Bush and the Democratic and Republican corporate shills we call politicians.
+23 # bread and butter 2018-01-12 18:02
I forgot to add the fact that they're calculating that, just allowing to Trump to go unchecked "will hurt the Republican Party and help them politically".

This is serious shit, and all they care about is replacing Trump with another Hillary…

assuming there'll be a country left by 2020.

Nothing short of a display of PRINCIPLES will get my vote. PERIOD.

If they don't like it, too bad. Them's the terms. If they want my vote ever again, I need to see them earn it.

Millions of others agree with me. That's how Hillary lost to this lunatic.

Rather than lecturing us, calling us names, and blaming us for your failure to give us a decent choice, try LISTENING TO US, AND RESPONDING ACCORDINGLY.
+7 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2018-01-13 08:51
B&B -- I think your analysis is correct. The leadership of the Demo party really is counting on Trump's lunacy as their main campaign platform for the 2018 and possibly the 2020 elections. They think people will vote Demo in droves just to get rid of Trump. Probably this is a good game plan.

Politics is, however, not a game of chess or whatever. It is about people's lives. This calculation means that the Demo party will not change any of its political stands. The Clinton ideology of neo-libralism and neo-conservatis m will prevail unchecked. Sanders and his progressive or democratic socialist movement will again be pushed to the outside.

Democratic strategists are forgetting that republicans have rigged voting and still are better at appealing to the worst instincts of voters. So as bad as Trump is, many people -- or a majority of the few that are actually allowed to vote -- may still vote republican.

From the 1990s to now, the strategy of DLC and Clinton Progressives (as opposed to real progressives) has only been a losing strategy. Very likely it will continue to lose. Hoping that Trump will turn a failed strategy into a winning one is simply bizarre beyond belief.
+3 # ericlipps 2018-01-14 11:44
Millions of people may agree with you, but that doesn't make you right.

And how would the Democrats win your vote? What display of PINCIPLES do you want? For the D's no steamroller Bernie Sanders to the 2020 nomination while tearfully begging the forgiveness of bitter Bernieites for having committed the terrible crime of not ordering Hillary out of the primaries in 2016 as soon as Sanders won one?
+21 # tedcloak 2018-01-12 19:00
Quoting bread and butter:
Nothing will come of any of this until DNC Democrats STOP CALCULATING that "Pence would be worse because he's sane".

Um, I'm not a "DNC Democrat", but I do agree that Pence, sane or not, could be much worse -- actually, I think, he's a religious nutcase, a Dominionist who wants the "Christians" (that is, the Christian Right) to take over the world and bring about The End Times -- the return of their Lord, the wafting of The Elect (that's them) into Paradise, and the destruction of the rest of us in the bloodbath of the Armageddon.* I'd call that insanity, but it's not a Trumpian insanity, it's much worse. We laugh at Trump; I don't think we'd laugh at President Pence.
*I may have the order wrong. I never got the order straight in "The three little pigs", either.
+5 # Diane_Wilkinson_Trefethen_aka_tref 2018-01-13 14:28
Quoting tedcloak:
Um, I'm not a "DNC Democrat", but I do agree that Pence, sane or not, could be much worse -- actually, I think, he's a religious nutcase, a Dominionist who wants the "Christians" (that is, the Christian Right) to take over the world and bring about The End Times... I'd call that insanity, but it's not a Trumpian insanity, it's much worse. We laugh at Trump; I don't think we'd laugh at President Pence.
I disagree with your assessment. Pence poses only one danger that Trump does not. He MIGHT try to impose his “religious” views on America in a wholesale kind of way, unlike Trump’s piecemeal approach. However, if he does that, he will open himself up to a challenge of impeachment for violating the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. *IF* there are enough votes in the House & Senate to impeach and convict Trump, say on High Crimes, those same votes will be just as effective in impeaching Pence and replacing him with the House Majority Leader who, under those circumstances, would be a Democrat.
-1 # Robbee 2018-01-16 14:27
Quoting Diane_Wilkinson_Trefethen_aka_tref:
Pence poses only one danger that Trump does not. He MIGHT try to impose his “religious” views on America. However, if he does that, he will open himself up to a challenge of impeachment for violating the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. *IF* there are enough votes in the House & Senate to impeach and convict Trump, say on High Crimes, those same votes will be just as effective in impeaching Pence (yada, yada)

- diane's analysis fails on 4 counts -

1. diane counts unhatched chicks! - no congress will ever deem the effort to impose christianity as the state religion, a high crime!

2. anyone who says pence has only one failing additional to religious fanaticism violates the principle of gross oversimplificat ion - which most of those here on rsn fell prey to in 2016 - we assume we know all about pence from all msm reports! - recall? how bad can dickhead be? so what if we have 4 years of dickhead, we can vote him out? - subproblem -

a. no one has voted dickhead out yet? those who assume we will are, once again, counting unhatched chicks?

b. pence will be harder to vote out than dickhead?

3. repukes have substitutes for dickhead and pence - 15 at last count in 2015

4. repukes have countless alternate strategies for retaining control - bomb, bomb, bomb, (pause) bomb, bomb, iran or n. korea? suppress all non-white votes? whatever it takes?

our last, and only, chance to avoid this shitstorm was 2016!
+5 # economagic 2018-01-12 20:56
So you would prefer a competent evil to an incompetent one? Yes, I agree: It is not a fair choice. But it is the choice that history and fate have granted us, much like that between Ms. Clinton and T-Rump himself, with no good outcome.

The ONLY benefit of having T-Rump in the office, regardless of who is actually calling the shots (if anyone), is that the rest of the world can only hate us for being disgusting and obnoxious, rather than actively and efficiently destructive of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness worldwide.
0 # Robbee 2018-01-16 18:14
Quoting economagic 2018-01-12 20:56:
the choice that history and fate have granted us, much like that between Ms. Clinton and T-Rump himself, with no good outcome.

- still stuck in your old, creating negative history rut, cono?

hillary woulda been just fine for women, blacks, latinos, college students, scotus, the nuke deal with iran, just to name a few hundred million folks, for starters!

oh, and by the way, for our planet and species!!! - not that, even now, you can bring yourself to admit it!

now that it's waaay too late? wake up?

don't it always seem to go?
cono donno what e's got till it's gone?

while cono wasn't looking? a real candidate got lost in 'is mental shell game? cono lost track of the pea! now cono says "there WAS no pea!" - cono is still looking for the good in hillary? and now it's too late to matter! - go soak your head!
+9 # lfeuille 2018-01-12 21:38
Even if they did that right now, there just aren't enough of them to impeach him and the Republicans won't help. They have to take back Congress to have a chance.
+1 # ericlipps 2018-01-14 11:49
Quoting lfeuille:
Even if they did that right now, there just aren't enough of them to impeach him and the Republicans won't help. They have to take back Congress to have a chance.

They have to take back both houses of Congress, and by huge margins, or there's no way the Rump can be expelled from office (the two-thirds majority needed to convict in the Senate is an almost insuperable obstacle, as Republicans found out the hard way in the nineties).
-5 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2018-01-14 20:06
As you say, impeachment is nearly impossible and so is the 25th amendment effort. There are still two options for seeing Trump removed from office:

Option 1. the Nixon option. A threat from Mueller to file criminal charge against him that are so serious Trump will make a deal to resign and immediately be pardoned by Pence. So far, there is no indication Mueller has such charges and he'd need a really innovative case to be able to indict a sitting president. Normally, that can't be done.

Option 2. The JFK option. Terminate his presidency with extreme prejudice.

Since all this huge movement to get Trump out of office originates at the CIA and FBI, and they were the ones who imposed Options 1 and 2 above, there is good reason to believe they will do it this time. They may come up with a 3rd Option.

We will find out before very long.
+1 # lfeuille 2018-01-14 22:24
If the Reps lose convincingly, they might not need 2/3. Some of the remaining Reps. will get the message and defect on impeachment.
+2 # bread and butter 2018-01-13 13:41
Short reply to all of you:

1. Trump is noticeably insane. Yes, that IS worse than just being Mike Pence. Pence is no different than most Republicans. Trump could start a nuclear war because he had a bad hair day (or bad wig day).

2. The DNC answer to everything is, "we won't try because we probably won't be successful".

The Democrats are the minority. Maybe they should just stop getting paid altogether, since they obviously don't think they can do their jobs.

It's not their job to "win" every time. It's their job to DO THEIR JOB.

+4 # chrisconno 2018-01-13 19:04
Who among us thinks the republican controlled congress would impeach the feces-n-chief? Pelosi wants to wait until there is plenty of solid evidence and a real chance for impeachment after the mid term elections.
0 # bread and butter 2018-01-14 14:37
Republicans tried to undo the ACA over 50 times. They didn't care if they were in the majority or not. It failed every time, but they proved they were serious about it to their voters.

If Pelosi can't do anything, why was she hired?

If Democrats need to be in charge before they begin to act, they'll NEVER BE IN CHARGE.

By the way, they've been the majority before, and let us down every time. There's always an excuse.

I don't care if they try and fail. I DO care if they fail to EVEN TRY.
+1 # bread and butter 2018-01-14 14:39
In other words, you don't wait for voters before you stand for something.

You fight for something FIRST - and THEN - the voters come to you.

It's a job interview. You don't tell a potential employer, "hire me first, then I'll produce a resume".

Politics is a job. It's time for them to stop talking, and start working.
+22 # chrisconno 2018-01-12 18:41
Pence would be worse in that he knows what he is doing. The feces-n-chief is just a dumb f**k that the republicans are using to cover for their wet dream cuts to all social programs, all infrastructure, and the environmentally damaging exploitation of our resources. Especially the treasury. I think we might be up s**t creek without a paddle.
+10 # chapdrum 2018-01-12 18:48
It is not a matter of how much more we are willing to take. "We" have little if anything to do with it. Sadly, it is ONLY our politicians who can make the change. The fact that to date they have done nothing but wring their hands (and even cooperate, ala Pelosi, Schiff and Swalwell) speaks eloquently for itself.
+10 # PABLO DIABLO 2018-01-12 18:49
Maybe next time The Democrats will have the courage to run someone who can beat Trump.
+4 # ericlipps 2018-01-14 11:58
Maybe next time The Democrats will have the courage to run someone who can beat Trump.

Why is it so hard for people to remember that Clinton WON THE POPULAR VOTE? And that she came very, very close in other states?

But I know: Ber-nie! Ber-nie# Ber-nie! Despite the certainty that the Donald would have red-baited him into the ground. I can see the commercials now: Bernie at the lectern, pounding away, red-faced, while a voice-over quotes him over and over: "I'm a socialist! I'm a socialist! I'm a socialist!"
0 # bread and butter 2018-01-14 15:47
Because Clinton can't be the president of California. Without California, she would have lost the popular vote too.

Why is it so hard for YOU to remember that she was poling neck and neck with Trump all along, while Sanders was far ahead of both?

Oh yeah! Doesn't suit your agenda.
+20 # Carol R 2018-01-12 19:10
Well put: " ..the Republicans have been arranging things to produce a one-party corporate state. Now, they have it, or something close to it, except that a half-senile, racist old bag of guts got elected to run it"
We now have a SH**hole president.
+15 # jwb110 2018-01-12 19:19
Firstly, there are no institutions of government! There is no more common cause and so this thing could go on endlessly and no "institution of government" will do ANYTHING!
As for someone from Norway immigrating here!?!?!?! Any and all Scandinavians know that immigrating here is a step down.
If thinking Americans should be worried about anything it is the fall in the standard and perception of the US by rest of the world. We have become a laughing stock. Once other governments realize they don't need us and they can form coalitions that work better for them and without the blackmail of Foreign Aid we become old news. Add to that the numbers of strategic enemies that the US is making with the new trumpian ideal and we can pretty well be sure that few will come to our aid should we need it.
+19 # Carol R 2018-01-12 19:20
Would that we had a leader with the humanity that Pope Francis possesses. This type of hurtful, degenerate dialogue would never be coming from the WH.

Pope Francis's tweet from yesterday summed it up perfectly:
"If we fail to suffer with those who suffer, even those of different religions, languages or cultures, we need to question our own humanity"
+20 # sbessho 2018-01-12 19:26
The inadvertent election of a clown or boob or crook of a candidate is one of the things that the impeachment process is intended to remedy. The idea that dumping Trump is a "coup" or the work of nefarious elements in the national security apparatus is an insult to the majority of Americans who recognize a disaster when they see one and who want this one out before it gets worse. Which it will as long as we sit by and hope the Congress will act on its own.
-5 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2018-01-13 08:54
Did you say this same thing when GW Bush was president and there was no "coup" being run by the intelligence community? There was almost no talk of impeachment when Bush was president. Only Kucinich and Conyers. Now everyone is talking about it. To me, that is the influence of the intelligence community and their spokes organs in the major media.
+9 # ericlipps 2018-01-14 12:03
Dubya benefited hugely from 9-11, which came along conveniently just as his presidency was unraveling.

And God's sake, Rodion, will you stop ranting about a "coup"? You evidently just want the Russia mess swept under the carpet.
-5 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2018-01-14 20:12
Yes, I do want the Russia mess swept under the rug. So far, there is no member of the congressional committees who will say publicaly that they have seen ANY evidence of collusion between Trump and any Russian. The FBI has been investigating this thing for 18 months and has found nothing. So sweep it under and let's get on with business.

I have another agenda. The Intell Community (esp. the CIA and Pentagon and their neo-con masters) want a new Cold War against Russia. All war is really only the transfer of wealth from the middle and lower income earners to a few corporations and banks who supply weapons. I just don't believe that the american middle and lower classes can endure seeing a few trillion of their hard earned dollars being transferred to the billionaire class. If there is no cold war, there is a chance to keep some of the wealth in the hand of the people who create it.
-36 # Depressionborn 2018-01-12 19:31
We need Trump until the swamp is drained and socialists find jobs.
-15 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2018-01-13 08:58
cryptic comment. I'm a socialist and I have a job. All my friends are socialists and they have jobs. We are the producers.

We don't need Trump for that. We need Trump to improve relations with Russia. The current leadership in the Demo party would never do that. They are controlled by the neo-cons who want war against Russia. If the fraudulent Russiagate conspiracy were to go away, Trump might actually re-open his relations with Putin, who has said many times he is ready and eager to work with Trump once America gets its Russiagate problem resolved.

Here's something good to read:

It Is Time for Progressives to Support the Trump-Putin Efforts at Rapprochement

By John V. Walsh
+20 # futhark 2018-01-13 11:08
Am I wrong in observing that Mr. Trump has considerably raised the level of the swamp by appointing to federal office many people connected with Goldman Sachs? He appears to be filling the swamp, so what exactly are we waiting for before divesting ourselves of his presence?
+5 # ericlipps 2018-01-14 12:05
Quoting Depressionborn:
We need Trump until the swamp is drained and socialists find jobs.

But Trump won't drain the swamp; it's his natural habitat. And quite a few socialists have jobs.
+4 # lfeuille 2018-01-14 22:26
He is restocking the swamp, not draining it. Don't you pay attention.
+12 # Adoregon 2018-01-12 20:19
The only shit hole is in the White House directly under Resident Rump's nose.
+18 # Wise woman 2018-01-12 20:56
That we have an electorate so large as to put this half baked vulgar excuse for a man in office, is frightening and embarrassing. The so-called fly over folks who voted for him should be ashamed of themselves as well as those on both coasts. That you Charles Pierce for expressing this issue so eloquently. As always, your wit never fails to impress as well.
+19 # Farafalla 2018-01-12 21:04
Thank you Linda for this particular point: "Those who enable and normalize his behavior are every bit as culpable as the president himself."

+8 # Blackjack 2018-01-12 21:14
Agreed, b&b, but how do Dems proceed without Repukes? Alone, they don't have the numbers and so far, Repukes have chosen their political life as being far more important than the lives of the constituents who elected them.
+10 # vicnada 2018-01-12 21:18
The only Norwegian I know who might want to immigrate to our country with our shit-mouth President might be right-wing terrorist, Anders Behring Breivik. His manifesto sounds a lot like one of Trump's stump speeches (INTERSPERSED IN CAPS):
On July 2, 2011, the same day he killed eight people by detonating a van bomb in Oslo, then shot dead 69 participants at a youth summer camp, Breivik electronically distributed a compendium of texts describing his militant ideology. In them, he lays out a worldview encompassing opposition to Islam and blaming feminism (BLOOD COMING OUT OF HER WHATEVER) for creating a European "cultural suicide". (LOCK HER UP)
The texts call Islam and "Cultural Marxism" the enemy (I WATCHED IN JERSEY CITY WHERE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF [MUSLIMS] WERE CHEERING AS THE [WORLD TRADE TOWERS] WERE COMING DOWN) and advocate the deportation of all Muslims from Europe (I AM ORDERING A COMPLETE AND TOTAL SHUTDOWN OF ALL MUSLIMS ENTERING THE UNITED STATES) based on the model of the Beneš decrees, while also claiming that feminism exists to destroy European culture.(LOOK AT THAT FACE. WOULD ANYONE VOTE FOR THAT? CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT, THE FACE OF OUR NEXT PRESIDENT?) Breivik wrote that his main motive for the atrocities was to market his manifesto
+22 # futhark 2018-01-12 21:31
Maybe it is time for the United States to quit being such a "shithole" country itself and start emulating Norway, with its strong social support programs and parliamentary government system that would hardly tolerate a political leader like Mr. Trump for more than 5 minutes.

From Wikipedia: "The country maintains a combination of market economy and a Nordic welfare model with universal health care and a comprehensive social security system." " It also has the highest inequality-adju sted ranking. Norway ranks first on the World Happiness Report,the OECD Better Life Index, the Index of Public Integrity, and the Democracy Index."

Why would Mr. Trump entertain the notion that any Norwegian would want to emigrate to the United States?
+8 # boredlion 2018-01-12 22:52
Pres. Pence for a year or two would be a 'tuppence.'

And he'd be washed down the spill-way in 2020.
+16 # tshobie 2018-01-12 23:07
Do take a look at what Fox News fans post to the mudslides that have destroyed hundreds of houses and killed many people including little children in California - the reason for the hatred, it's a "blue" state. The comments truly horrific. Can you imagine if CNN/MSNBC/or any other news station's viewers made comments like these about those who lost their homes/lives in the recent hurricanes in "red" states?

It's an awful time to be an American. I hope this nightmare ends soon. Trump has turned the USA into a Shithole.
+25 # Rcomm 2018-01-13 09:52
Most remarks made by trump are both ridiculous and scary but what is even more ridiculous and more scary are the large number of people shouting, "way to go, donny."
+4 # p4136bl 2018-01-13 14:52
The only way to get this pile of human excrement out of office is to vote in a majority of Dems in 2018 to Congress. This should coincide with Mueller's investigation coming to the point of final indictments and give Congress the power to impeach (the R's will never do it). If this timing works, Pence might only have a few months to be POTUS (unless of course he is indicted and convicted as well). THEN a Dem win in 2020 could begin reversing the Trump debacle and start to heal the US at home and abroad; and perhaps embark on a more Progressive agenda for America.
It bugs me that so many attack the Dems in the face of a story like this. Yes, politicians are often cowards. Yes, the richest and powerful have control of this country as a result of R policies over the last 25-30 years. But all change in our democracy will be through compromise. Progressive (of which I am one) being mad at Dem's is one of the causes of losing this last election and getting Trump
+5 # Robbee 2018-01-13 15:03
How Much More of Trump's Insanity Are We Willing to Take? 12 January 18

- i beg your pardon?

dickhead was just as dickhead last year when most everybody here on rsn begged for dickhead? - "more liberal" than hillary? honest to a fault? - crazier than a bedbug? so what?

last year "we" resoundingly said - we can easily ride out 4 years of dickhead? - it'll be good for "us" in the long run? - not so fast!

if it ever was, it's no longer a question of how long we can put up with dickhead? but would pence be any better or much worse? - which, now, is not up to us, either!

it takes 67 senators to net pence, 49 dems and at least 18 repukes - so we don't have much say - it will take a full-scale revolt of the repuke party to net pence! and don't be surprised if pence is better for repukes and worse for us? - because that is just what repukes would be betting!

in sum, we took our swing at dickhead, and whiffed! - from here on it's actually up to repukes! - so says robbee!

don't is always seem to go?
that you don't know what you got till it's gone?

starting first thing in 2018, (bernie started early, not that there's anything wrong with that) i'd like to see bernie, elizabeth, keith, chuck, nancy, tony, and all dem congress, campaign to UNcut taxes on billionaires! - repukes rushed this monstrosity thru closed doors, horse-trading with billionaires, no public comment! - some unwise details need to be corrected! asap! - power to dems! power to people!
+1 # Jayceecool 2018-01-13 23:16
I would bet that very few of you complained as the American middle class shrank severely over recent decades, as average wages stagnated and as the wealthy and corporations made record profits. All of that occurred under both Republican and Democratic administrations ...

THE NEW STREAMLINED RSN LOGIN PROCESS: Register once, then login and you are ready to comment. All you need is a Username and a Password of your choosing and you are free to comment whenever you like! Welcome to the Reader Supported News community.