Mayer writes: "There seem to be some potentially fascinating political aspects of this story that have yet to be explored. Why, for instance, did this news explode publicly when it did?"
Then-Maj. Gen. David Petraeus greets old friends before handing over command of the 101st Airborne Division. (photo: AP)
A Petraeus Puzzle: Were Politics Involved?
12 November 12
he director of the C.I.A. has resigned over an extra-marital affair two days after a Presidential election in which the Agency's role in Libya was of burning concern-what is really going on here?
There seem to be some potentially fascinating political aspects of this story that have yet to be explored. Why, for instance, did this news explode publicly when it did? Both the New York Times and the Washington Post report that the F.B.I. had found, after months of investigation, that neither retired General David Petraeus, now the former director of the C.I.A., nor the woman with whom he was evidently involved, his biographer Paula Broadwell, had broken any laws. Congressional intelligence officials reportedly want to know why they were not informed earlier that the F.B.I. was investigating Petraeus. But what I am wondering is why, if the F.B.I. had indeed concluded that they had no criminal case, this matter was brought to anyone's attention at all.
The investigation apparently began when another woman Petraeus knew-the A.P. identified her as Jill Kelley, a Florida woman with connections to the military-complained about harassing e-mails, which turned out to have been from Broadwell. It's not yet clear how directly the e-mails involved Petraeus. As an official told the Wall Street Journal, "This investigation wasn't about the C.I.A. director, it was about what looked like a cyber crime." In this case, like any other, the official went on, "There are strict rules, there is a wall, about sharing information on ongoing criminal investigations."
According to the Times, approximately two weeks ago, F.B.I. investigators confronted Petraeus personally about the matter. After talking to him, they were satisfied that there were no breaches of national security or other crimes involved. It was then, the Times reports, that Petraeus certainly became aware of the investigation, if he had not known of it before. Interestingly, he did not offer his resignation at once, raising the question of whether he would have resigned at all if he hadn't been asked to when the issue was about to become public. With the election two weeks away, and the C.I.A.'s potential intelligence failures in the fatal ambush of American's diplomats in Libya a campaign issue, Petraeus surely recognized that if he resigned, the scandal would shake the Obama Administration, perhaps giving more fodder to its Republican critics in what appeared to be an extremely close election.
The Times uses the word "murky" to describe what happened next, and there are many puzzling aspects. But according to the Times, at the end of October, a week or so after the F.B.I. investigators confronted Petraeus, an unidentified F.B.I. employee took the matter into his own hands. Evidently without authorization, he went to the Republicans in Congress. First he informed a Republican congressman, Dave Reichert of Washington state. According to the Times, Reichert advised this F.B.I. employee to go to the Republican leadership in the House. The F.B.I. employee then told what he knew about the investigation to Eric Cantor, the House Majority Leader. Cantor released a statement to the Times confirming that he had spoken to the F.B.I. informant, whom his staff described as a "whistleblower." Cantor said, "I was contacted by an F.B.I. employee who was concerned that sensitive, classified information might have been compromised." But what, exactly, was this F.B.I. employee trying to expose? Was he blowing the whistle on his bosses? If so, why? Was he dissatisfied with their apparent exoneration of Petraeus? Given that this drama was playing out in the final days of a very heated Presidential campaign, and he was taking a potentially scandalous story to the Republican leadership in Congress, was there a political motive?
According to the Times, Cantor said he took the information, and "made certain that director Mueller"-that is Robert Mueller III, the director of the F.B.I.-"was aware of these serious allegations, and the potential risk to our national security." This is a strange way to explain his contact with the F.B.I. on this matter, because it is almost inconceivable that director Mueller was not already aware that the bureau he runs had examined the e-mail account of the director of the C.I.A., and, further, confronted him in person. Such a meeting between the bureau and head of the C.I.A. would have been extraordinary, and it is fairly unthinkable that Mueller wouldn't have been consulted. So what information was Cantor conveying when he got in touch with Mueller?
One obvious point of the call would have been to inform the F.B.I. director that Republicans on the Hill knew about Petraeus's vulnerability, and also about the investigation. If the F.B.I. had ever entertained hopes of keeping it secret, the odds of doing so were fast diminishing. The same message would have become clear to Petraeus, who was due to testify in front of a House panel next week.
If Cantor spoke with Mueller on Halloween, as the Times chronology suggests, what happened between then and November 6th, which is when the F.B.I. reportedly informed James Clapper Jr., the Director of National Intelligence, about Petraeus's extra-marital affair? The internal pressure must have been enormous on Petraeus during this period. Perhaps he tried to outlast the election in order to shelter Obama from the fallout of his own personal foibles. Perhaps the F.B.I. director, Mueller, who has a reputation for integrity, tried to keep the scandal from political exploitation by keeping it under wraps until Election Day. Cantor, too, appears to have kept quiet, despite the political advantage his party might have gained from going public. Why? It is possible that, because the investigation had national-security implications, those in the know needed to tread carefully for legal reasons.
A final question, at least from my standpoint, is whether Petraeus had to resign at all. It appears that Clapper, who like Petraeus is a military man, saw it as a no-brainer. Within the military, there are rules about adultery. But within civilian life, should there be? The line of the day on the morning talk shows in Washington seemed to be that Petraeus did the "honorable" thing, or "he had to resign." The old saw that, if he wasn't squeaky clean, he could be subject to blackmail by his enemies, thus endangering national security, was mentioned again and again. To me, the whole Victorian shame game seems seriously outdated. Something like half the marriages in the country now end in divorce, and you can bet a great many of those involved extra-marital affairs. Is it desirable to bar such a large number of public servants from top jobs? It certainly seems fair to question Petraeus's judgement, ethics, and moral fibre in this matter. But if infidelity wasn't treated as career-threatening, its value to black-mailers would be much reduced (the fear of a spouse is another matter). In this instance, evidently, there were no crimes. So why again did this blow up as it has? Fans of thrillers, like me, are waiting for more answers.
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Clearly Patraeus pissed someone off and he fled his CIA office for his life. Bill Casey was in a CIA limo on his way to testify to the Iran Contra hearing. There was only a driver and two body guards. Next thing anyone knew his dead body was deposited at a Washington hospital. The autopsy showed a massive brain hemmorage. A lot of things can cause a brain hemmorage. One of those is a long needle inserted into the brain through the ear and wiggled around a little.
Dead men don't talk. Let's see how silent Patraeus can be. He could be found floating face down in the Potomac just like another ex CIA director, Richard Helms.
When you work for an organized crime gang, you life isn't really worth much when you piss off the wrong people. We'll have to see what comes out.
interesting tale but Helms died of bone cancer in 2002 and Casey died of a brain tumor. Not saying that those two were not in the thick of it but you sensationalized their deaths. of course I got my info from Wiki :)
William E.Colby died in a canoe "accident" in the Potomac River.
Now both Romney is very close to Netanyahu, who detests Obama. If this is true, there is one agency who would probably know about it and could stop it. Did this scenario happen and was the CIA passively complicit? Tommy Rimes
I don't buy the 9/11 imploding towers theory, but I do buy the idea that to start a war against Iraq, there had to be a massive attack on the U.S. that would be ignored by the Bush administration. It just came off like something too close to both the Lusitania and Pearl Harbor; something to galvanize America to fight a war, any war.
Republicans will stop at nothing to get elected. It is possible that Cantor and others were told that it would backfire on them if they talked, and they would all go to jail. But Petraeus would have to leave, and I agree it wouldn't be because of an affair, but so that he wouldn't have to say anything of substance about Benghazi. I don't think he caused the Benghazi incident, but I would want to know about some Republican connections out there, including the FBI whistleblower's connections in the Middle East.
We might find out more if any other Iran-Contra-lik e incidents happen, but I hope that this is the end of it.
http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138
Read the following quote from the Wikipedia Biography of Helms:
""After returning from his ambassador post in Tehran, Iran, Helms was convicted of lying to Congress (see above: Chile under Nixon). Probably as a result, Helms allowed the journalist Thomas Powers to interview him... Helms apparently was satisfied if not greatly pleased with the result, Powers' book: The Man who Kept the Secrets. Richard Helms and the CIA published in 1979 by Knopf.
Helms later wrote his own memoirs.
In 1983, President Ronald Reagan awarded Helms the National Security Medal.
After he died of bone cancer in 2002, Richard Helms was interred in Arlington National Cemetery in Arlington, Virginia.""
The second error was about the death of Casey:
""Casey died of a brain tumor in 1987 at the age of 74. His Requiem Mass was said by Fr. Daniel Fagan, then pastor of St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church in Roslyn, New York. It was attended by, (among others) President and Mrs. Ronald Reagan. ""
I strongly suggest that you fact-check your notions or opinions before publishing them as facts. If your post was anything other than a mistake, it was blatant propaganda. Spare us, please.
But sad to say, that is man's greatest weakness.
"But if infidelity wasn't treated as career-threaten ing, its value to black-mailers would be much reduced (the fear of a spouse is another matter). In this instance, evidently, there were no crimes. So why again did this blow up as it has?"
that's an ironic point - one of CIA's methods dealing with people who don't obey PNAC strategies (also in other countries) is blackmaiing people with the treat of disinformation campaigns on their affairs, their sexual preferences etc. CIA relies on emotionalized reactions that divert attention from a person's political or whatever positions or achievements to what should be respected and treated as privacy. so CIA gets what it deserves, and the (former) DCI gets it too....but the DDCI is still in office, so there's no reason for joy and relunctance.
"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" or correctly quotated "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned/ Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned."
And Said: Robby Burns said in "of mice":-But Mousie, thou are no thy-lane, In proving foresight may be vain: The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men, Gang aft agley, An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain, For promis'd joy!
But Mousie, thou are no thy-lane,
In proving foresight may be vain:
The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men,
Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!
Thus One of its couplets has passed into a proverb:- "The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men, gang aft agley."
Good quote;
Rabbie came down heavily on hypocrisy in several poems like "Holy Wullie's Prayer" and "Address To The Unco Guid, Or The Rigidly Righteous" and many others (he was no angel himself but made no attempt to hide it nor shirk his responsibilitie s to his many "illegitimate" children). He also was the author of another much-used saying, to this day;
"O' wad some power the giftie gei us
To see oorsel's as ithers see us,
It would frae mony a blunder free us and foolish notion:
What airs in dress and gait wad lea'e us,
And ev'n devotion!"
I'm reminded of the time when the Right was howling like wolves at Clinton's door and the subsequent revelations about their own infidelities.
As for political motivations I can't say much not being an insider but as a hint at the possibility, look at all the hysterical bayings from the right around "Benghazi-Bengh azi--Maxima Culpa Obama Benghazi!!!" as the last gasp of a desperate, racist and ignorant bunch of sore losers, including one or two reactionary posters who insist on infesting RSN with their mindless flailings.
I wrote that IF YOU READ MY POST!
Trying to make yourself sound smart at a great poet and humanitarian's expense?
He did his best to support his many illegitimate children -"Illegitimate" of course being a church term, as what we term "Adultery" in the West is perfectly acceptable in many Muslim regions (and formerly by the Mormons with a few rogue holdouts).
Rabbie's honesty about himself and his "Poor Earth-born companions and fellow-mortals" , his courageous and committed criticism of the monarchy, their toady-merchant class and the churches, was way ahead of his time and still what gets him universally respected today around the world.
I guess you can dig up shit on anybody (even if it's already acknowledged) if you really want to chuck it around.
Why don't you have a snide go at Ghandi, MLK, JFK, Christ, Buddha, Mohammed, Bob Dylan, Shakespeare, Dylan Thomas, Louis Armstrong, Oscar Peterson, Willie Nelson, Billy Connoly, Willie the Wanker (my fabrication), and so many others in their fleshy, fallible manifestations while you are at it?!
B'ain't none of us perfect -except those whose tiny minds seem to think they are.
So -700 Club, "C' Street or Liberty University anyone (just for starters)?
Sincerely, a lifelong sinner.
If that were true, then the General would have committed a crime similar to what is alleged of Pfc Bradley Manning? Is Gen. Petraeus going to be detained at Quantico, then Leavenworth, as was Pfc Bradley Manning for more than two years?
There are indeed a number of ranks between the two, in fact - ALL of them.
Great quote about "different spanks for different ranks" and not the least bit of a joke.
But where is the Left? Where is Glenn Greenwald? Where is Noam Chomsky? Where is Amy Goodman? Why is no one but me making the parallel between the Manning case and the circumstances of Ms Broadwell's computer with classified documents on it? How the heck did she get them? Isn't Petraeus the likely donor? WHY IS THE LEFT SILENT?
However it well emphasizes my point about USA soldiers being not real disciplined warriors at all. What with the evils they commit at the front, the way they treat USA and other Nation's laws with absolute immunity expectation, play sex, torture & massacre/murder , rape, carnal abuse etc and play sex not appropriate war aloofness, with lots of cowardice, drunkenness and drug abuse etc unbecoming of such employment. It is little wonder if up to 4 star top brass shenanigans like this in the field, civilians on base including Korean diplomat (Likely spy) holding a card to enter bases at will, and soldier suicides back home more than KIA's CIA Boss 4 star sexual adultery with one slut and entertaining the Korean spy risks, now the Afghanistan 4 star boss playing with the same spy risk. At best with such debt prosecutions likely to sell any info to press, allies, enemies what else can they do wrong next?
Why a few days after resignation was Petraeus in Perth WA talking to press? What's his job chase now? How does his CIA staff Scientist very pretty Blond M/S Dr. Lisa Porter DTO-IARPA-NSA-A RPA-DAPA and the $3.2bn Budget feature?
Like so many events inside the Beltway it is best to wait to see what the real story is.
I still think (re:Benghazi) there is a connection between the producer of the anti-muslim film (a Coptic fanatic) and the neo-cons in Romney's foreign policy advisors (Josh Bolton, anyone?) My theory is that Benghazi (combination of spontaneous rioting and subversives using it) was supposed to be the 'October surprise',coord inated to blunt the Obama momentum, but Hurricane Sandy trumped the whole thing (God's will?)
As Jane says, let's see how it all washes out (hopefully not an 'official story').
Perhaps because they had built Petraeus up as a future Republican presidential candidate? He has expressed that ambition more than once and the right had made him a tin pot hero.
Petraeus' crime, he said, was his intention to reveal this timeline, which varies from the White House timeline.
Attaching scandal has historical roots: instead of charges and trials, the president simply ousts the offenders under fire.
Whatever theory you like best, there's a troubling, persistent drive to take us to martial law in them all.
Yeah, well astounding as it may seem, many of us like *neither* "theory", but prefer to wait for the actual facts (as close as we can get) to emerge.
The above is quite naturally incomprehensibl e to the "Rush to Judgement via Conspiracy" crowd.
I've also read that it was the Republicans cutting of money to fund the protection of embassy's that was also part of the cause, but I haven't been able to find information to support that theory.
I like the explosion in Indianapolis story better anyway.
Kind of an ace up the sleeve - but the opportunity, the timing, was off. That had to hurt.
Give it a rest. I don't think he should have resigned
_hit happens, that's why. Not every itsy-bitsy occurrence since humankind crawled out of the sea is conspiratorial.
"Clearly, the affair is not the root of Patareus' abrupt departure from the CIA."
Huh? Clearly? Uh,uh. No way. Nothing is clear except the sounds of conjecture.
Tom Clancy, is that you?
"Facetious" almost sounds like Petraeus! lol
Umm, did you miss the fact that he's a committed right winger? There's no possibility that he would take the heat for Obama. It's far more likely he did it to head off a serious investigation that could send him to prison for years.
Whether he is RIGHT OR LEFT, Petraeus PROBABLY cannot resist the prospect of being the subject of a sexy movie!!!!
Before he is a shill for anyone,Petraeus would want to be a shill for HIMSELF, A AND, IMHO, that means he would place himself in a position to become the subject of a movie, which would set him up nicely for any future plans! DUH1
www.democracynow.org
See "Juan Cole: Real Petraeus Failure Was Counterinsurgen cy in Iraq, Afghanistan"
""AMY GOODMAN: And what do you mean, Project for a New American Century, PNAC? Explain what that is.
JUAN COLE: Well, the Project for the New American Century was thought up by the neoconservative movement in the late 1990s. They felt that the Soviet Union had fallen, the U.S. was now the sole superpower, what the French call a "hyperpower," and that it could act with impunity. So if it wanted to invade and occupy Iraq and reformulate Iraq and put a government in and exploit Iraq’s natural resources, like the petroleum, that it could do so without opposition.""
Of course they were wrong, and Cole's explanation is excellent. Read the transcript.
To a great extent the fault for all this lies with the Neocon planners and the Pentagon that stonewalled Obama until he was pretty well forced to go along with the "surge", which Petraeus didn't really like either.
As to the "affair" issue, that was foolishness on the part of everyone involved, and is being blown out of proportion. The two women acted like twits, and Petraeus like a teenager.
Here is a point often left out of the mainstream "news" and that is the Obama administration ASKED for more money to add to embassy security overseas especially in the Middle East. Republicans in their obsession to do or NOT do anything that would help the president voted AGAINST this request. Maybe they wanted embassies not to be secure so that if anything happened Obama would look bad. It possibly (again pardon the pun) blew up in their face It all will probably come out.
Perhaps it will be the Republicans who come up with egg on their face. I think with their Party set to implode, they might want this story to just simply go away. I suspect it will not!
The only trouble with this is that Republicans were already saying "Benghazi" like a mantra, and instead of acting guilty that they had taken away military, the Republicans wanted as much publicity about Benghazi as possible, even when more than a hundred American lives were lost in hurricane Sandy, along with houses, infrastructure, and businesses.
Maybe Cantor had property that was under water, and was too busy after Sandy to say anything, but that doesn't sound likely. There is much more to this mystery.
It's what the cops would call an unpaid snitch. A rumor-monger. A person whose intel is not even good enough to qualify them as a paid Confidential Informer (CI).
Perhaps they had been grooming him to be the next "white hope" to KO the Liberal Champion.
Herby
Now international commerce rules our defense efforts and there really are no security protections.
The only thing that I blame both H.W. Bush and Clinton for is closing some of the important bases around NYC, making the whole area vulnerable to attack; but that was a done deal before Clinton.
Boy! when I was in the Army before I went infantry in a fit of misplaced patriotism, I had a top security clearance working with atomic warheads, and the military was so far up my ass I had to ask them for toilet paper. 8^)
Did the CIA or anyone connected with the US government recruit, sell or supply weapons to Al Qaeda and Al Qaeda affiliates, train them and arrange for their import into Syria by way of Turkey?
If so, they have violated several US laws regarding "aiding and abetting" enemies of the US.
Answers to this question should be the main focus of hearings.
Since truthful answers would likely blow the cover off the entire WOT charade, they are unlikely to be asked by anyone.
It is time for a slumbering public to wake up and demand these questions be investigated in open forum. Let the chips fall where they may.
Iran/Contra ring any bells?
Of course for precious moments in that orgy of passion against Kadaffi there were strange bedfellows. But now that passion has subsided and for sure the one night standers are feeling jilted and have come back in revenge.
Sort of like the Osama story, the Taliban and a few others, we have to stop these one night affairs and go for some longer-term affairs - a much better deal for our compromised ideals.
The supplying of billions of dollars in arms to the Afghan mujahideen militants was one of the CIA's longest and most expensive covert operations. The CIA provided assistance to the fundamentalist insurgents through the Pakistani secret services, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), in a program called Operation Cyclone. At least 3 billion in U.S. dollars were funneled into the country to train and equip troops with weapons, and there were similar programs run by Saudi Arabia, Britain's MI6 and SAS, Egypt, Iran, and the People's Republic of China. Pakistan's secret service, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), was used as an intermediary for most of these activities to disguise the sources of support for the resistance.
As the mom of two sons that have served, one continues, what the hell is up with fools like Petreaus (and McChrystal)? You have bitchslapped all of us parents and your own spouse. Damn you - there is only one head you are supposed to be using when leading our fine young men and women - damn you to hell and back.
Very "noble" sentiment indeed, but in this economy a job is a job. In fact, this economy is a huge factor in the military being able to recruit at all !
so many good ideas to think about.
As far as panhead49's remark, I want her to think about this fact: No United States sitting president has been throw out of office during a shooting war.
We started wars and stayed in these countries because of their value in re-electing Obama, and Bush started the wars and kept them hot so that he too was re-elected.
We endanger the lives of your children panhead49, in order to stay in power, and to keep the war profiteers making money. (see catch-22 and my boy milo to understand all this, or read the book of the most decorated man in the vietnam war who quit and now is an ex-patriot.
Everyone is blowing smoke up our asses, and the truth only rarely emerges.
God, if there is a god, save us from our greed and lust, and love of power.
This is a good thriller, and I am sure someone will write a book about this mystery. One can take the simplistic answer. I don't.
8^)
Some of whom were suspected of being in the Benghazi area during the Ambassadors visit.
Would this qualify to you as a "big deal"?
Would this be a reason to require Petraeus to testify?
Just wondering.
Are you at all aware that Gen. Petraeus did not DIE, but only stepped down at the CIA?
As long as he is alive and able to testify, he can still be called to testify.
Just helping.
Thanks for the attempted help.
Unfortunately you have missed the point.
It is not whether he will be called to testify but rather, will the right questions be asked. Someone will testify even if he doesn't.
As long as the issue is confined to a sex scandal or security at Benghazi it will remain nothing more than a POLITICAL issue, which will become an exercise in finger pointing, which ends with a few "gotcha's", minor league firings and then dies out.
This needs to be heard as a serious LEGAL issue. Did someone violate US law by aiding and abetting Al Qaeda and/or affiliates?
I'm not holding my breath that these questions will be asked. As reflected by the lack of concern on these threads, the American public is simply comatose concerning their loss liberties under the so called the WOT.
I hope this clarifies my position for you.
here's a heads up:
a man in power NEVER expresses or makes a move to mentor a younger woman.
mentoring in any circumstance is instigated by the mentoree. otherwise the power differential is too great.
who has his identify kept quiet while he takes matters into his own hands? To me, that's the real story. Clearly has a partisan slant due to the evidence of whom he called with his unauthorized information. Seems to be a new way of starting trouble, like with Valerie Plame.
anyone remember that this general was openly critical of our relationship - financially and militarily far more passionate and costly than his with this woman - and while hardly made on humanitarian or anti-racist grounds, such criticism is deemed inviting total destruction of the jewish state,another holocaust or maybe some greater fantasy of doom...
this guy was being suggested as a presidential candidate in the already started 2016 race...having a pres more critical of the "special" relationship than the one we have doesn't suit certain forces within the established power structure where a battle has been going on on between the imperial old wasp-goys and the imperial new zion-jews...who 's winning matters less than the fact that we're all losing as long as we treat the subject as an unmentionable untouchable...
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