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Excerpt: "For 11 years, Americans have struggled to reach a sensible legal balance that protects both national security and civil liberties..."

Judge Forrest on Wednesday permanently enjoined a controversial provision of a 2011 law regarding a president's authority to detain individuals indefinitely. (photo: Shutterstock)
Judge Forrest on Wednesday permanently enjoined a controversial provision of a 2011 law regarding a president's authority to detain individuals indefinitely. (photo: Shutterstock)


Judge Forrest v. Indefinite Detention and Congress

By The New York Times | Editorial

14 September 12

 

or 11 years, Americans have struggled to reach a sensible legal balance that protects both national security and civil liberties — an existential challenge made harder by the last president's wild excesses and abuses of power in the name of combating terrorism. This week, a vote in Congress and a decision by a federal judge, Katherine Forrest, made starkly clear how much that remains a work in progress.

With little in the way of real debate or scrutiny, the House voted 301 to 118 to extend the FISA Amendments Act for five years, an unfortunate law passed in 2008 that expanded the government's power to conduct surveillance without warrants in the future. It also retroactively approved the George W. Bush administration's unlawful snooping in broad violation of Americans' constitutionally protected privacy.

Moving in the other direction, Judge Forrest, of the Southern District of New York in Manhattan, on Wednesday permanently enjoined a controversial provision of a 2011 law in which Congress codified expansive interpretations of a president's authority to detain individuals indefinitely, beyond the real needs of the war in Afghanistan, the campaign against Al Qaeda or legitimate counterterrorism efforts in general.

The judge was right to challenge government's claims of ever-expanding, unsupervised detention authority around the world, but her ruling seemed overly broad in points and could be overturned by a higher court.

The ruling follows a temporary injunction granted in May against the law, which goes beyond the perpetrators of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to people who are part of or "substantially" supported Al Qaeda, the Taliban or "associated forces" hostile to the United States or its allies. Chris Hedges, a journalist who formerly worked for this newspaper, and several supporters of WikiLeaks said it was too imprecise about the conduct that could lead to someone's detention and exactly who could be detained.

The plaintiffs said the statute chilled their First Amendment rights because they feared the government might claim their activities made them supporters of an enemy force and subject to detention.

Judge Forrest agreed, saying the Constitution requires more specificity when "defining an individual's core liberties." She was especially troubled by the government's inability to define terms like "substantially supported" and "associated forces," despite ample opportunity to do so during the course of the lawsuit. She also was swayed by what she saw as the government's failure to eliminate the plaintiffs' fears by unequivocally stating that no First Amendment-protected activities would subject them to indefinite military detention.

The judge makes plain that the outcome would likely have been different had the government offered an authoritative official statement that "protected First Amendment activities occurring by Americans on American soil." The failure to do so, she found, bolstered both the plaintiffs' standing to sue, as well as their claims.

The judge's willingness to take constitutional claims seriously was a refreshing departure from too many other judges in cases involving national security. If the government is unhappy with the ruling, it can largely blame its failure to adequately limit and define detention authority.

Unfortunately, the ruling does not fully address existing case law on detention authority or an amendment to the 2011 law that should be read to protect Americans and others in the United States from indefinite detention. Those issues, and the breadth of the injunction seem certain to be appealed.

 

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+20 # Inlike 2012-09-14 13:37
Do you suppose Judge Forrest needs to worry about a heart attack or a car or airplane accident?
(oooops Will the government allow me say that?)
 
 
+15 # lynnscott 2012-09-14 14:15
as the parent of a sex offender currently serving his term in prison, I live in the fear that when it is time for him to be released, despite his restorative work, he will be kept indefinitely. Can this be legal? Can not a citizen do his time and then have a chance at a life free of crime, esp. when he is not a dangerous or violent offender? I know the mothers of sons in Guantanamo and all over the totalitarian world suffer a great deal. I thought I lived in a free world. L. Scott
 
 
+18 # JJS 2012-09-14 15:50
L. Scott,
When my son was a teenager the police classified him as a sex offender for "mooning" some other teenagers out side the school environment. I then had to confront the school system and the police for this ridiculous BS to keep him from being tagged for life as a sex offender.
Your son's situation may be more severe but the label of sex offender is practically a death setence for being able to re-enter society without a scarlet letter plastered to your forehead.
 
 
-10 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-14 17:41
Instead of sex offender it should have read sexually offensive. I could not imagine unless it was done in front of young children by an adult but it is good that you were able to put it to rest.

I am sorry I didn't know that sexual offenders, murderers etc were any different on Parole...testim onies of why/not: activities since being in jail and in too many cases the out right Politics involved.

I am glad that sex offenders have to wear that mark. I wish Murderers, perhaps other criminals did too so that we could know what is next door to us.

I believe the State deems which indelible mark of sex offender is labelled but most are pedophiles. Rapists, Perverts they get out and do it again. Pedophiles are lowest of the life form as they prey on children. If the Law will not protect us from Criminals we have to do so ourselves by making Laws to Protect our Children.

I am sure the 80 and 70 year olds wish the Rapist/Muggers were detained too. More and more seniors are being raped.

I have no better thoughts on Politicians, Corporations, Religions etc that are Criminals....th ey too should be held to account for the same Laws they buy, or enact. Justice for all
 
 
0 # JJS 2012-09-22 04:56
It was among peers. I believe it was some sort of zero tolerance BS. Please KittatinyHawk, Imagine. There is a sickness out there in the world and it is not some kid playing a sophmoric prank on his rival HS/neighborhood clique.
 
 
+24 # James Smith 2012-09-14 15:00
Wake up, America. You are no longer living in a free country. You are losing your rights at an ever-increasing pace.

It's really too late already. WHat president has ever returned power assumed by a previous president, even if they were unconstitutiona l? After all, "It's just a goddamn piece of paper."
 
 
+16 # SMoonz 2012-09-14 15:12
This article should have an update. The Obama Administration yesterday was filing an appeal against Judge Forrestt's decision.
 
 
+23 # cordleycoit 2012-09-14 15:31
We are having our rights taken from us by a facist coup. The press has for years been unfree and spent a great deal of time selling fear and lies to the public. The Congress is little better than a Parliament of Whores. Look at the hundreds of Congress persons becoming rich on a small salary. No insider trading here. No packets of cash appearing here. Judge Forrest is a real hero, daring to be honest while employed by the government.
 
 
+15 # walt 2012-09-14 16:06
The NDAA is an outrageous attack on every American's rights. In effect, it allows the US military jurisdiction over civilians and allows them to arrest and detain an American, something prohibited by the constitution. It's the most fascist piece of legislation to have ever been passed.

Let's hope Chris Hedges et al have prevailed and that the Obama administration will not appeal.
 
 
+4 # bingers 2012-09-15 04:34
Actually it doesn't even begin to approach the level of fascism of the Patriot Act.

And it isn't NDAA that allows military jurisdiction over civilians, it was the Bush repeal of posse comitatus.
 
 
-6 # aitengri 2012-09-14 16:12
In response to the comments (all of them), I think a huge electoral sweep for Obama would open the door to a full on challenge of his "posturing", if indeed that's what he does. The "constitutional scholar" president (re-elected without the so-called need to be conciliatory towards know-nothings in bottomless pit America) will be exposed or redeemed based on his actions at such time. For the moment, we bide (not "Biden") our time.
 
 
-4 # Mannstein 2012-09-14 17:47
Time to renounce one's US citizenship and move to another country. Switzerland comes to mind.
 
 
+2 # bingers 2012-09-15 04:30
Quoting Mannstein:
Time to renounce one's US citizenship and move to another country. Switzerland comes to mind.



I've known people from Switzerland and they claim it's not unlike living in prison there.
 
 
+11 # smilingeyes5 2012-09-14 18:09
It is our right and duty to replace our government when it fails to meet our needs. Maybe the time has come for a peaceful revelation,for violence won't work. Maybe it is time to find a more egalitarian form of government,
 
 
+8 # Aunt Tom 2012-09-14 20:19
I'm getting so tired of being sucked into the power-over mindset of this so-called culture! When did we lose track of the meaning of "security"? Didn't the police used to be called "Officers of the Peace" or was it "Peace Officers"? Well, anyway, the point is that the government's first duty to its citizens is to keep the peace. Arming the police with all kinds of scary weapons, giving government agencies the power to imprison you or me or our next door neighbor on the basis of some suspicion or other and keep us locked up indefinitely in the name of "national security" just won't cut it! We need *personal* security, the right not to feel threatened by our own public servants. The concept of "national security" is a military concept and not actually what we need. They're just out there making enemies right and left, which is reducing our personal security. When, I ask, did we lose track of that quaint concept and how in the name of heaven are we going to get it back? Leaning out our windows to holler, "I'm all fed up and I'm not going to take it anymore" apparently won't do the trick. I think we've got to create our own economy and drop out of the credit-card world as step one. We need to create our own sub-economies. We need to put our heads together and create our own communities. We need to deprive the corporations and their political cronies of our support and energy. If anyone can figure out how to beat them on their terms, feel free to let the rest of us know! Help!
 
 
+1 # bingers 2012-09-15 04:29
Another provision in the law exempts all American citizens and green card holders from the law, but somehow I don't feel so sure that that provision wouldn't be violated.

Clearly the judge also felt that way as shown by this statement: "The judge makes plain that the outcome would likely have been different had the government offered an authoritative official statement that "protected First Amendment activities occurring by Americans on American soil." The failure to do so, she found, bolstered both the plaintiffs' standing to sue, as well as their claims."
 

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