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Cole writes: "Predictably, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney tried to make political hay of the tiny demonstrations in Cairo and Benghazi by Muslim militants."

Juan Cole; public intellectual, prominent blogger, essayist and professor of history. (photo: Informed Comment)
Juan Cole; public intellectual, prominent blogger, essayist and professor of history. (photo: Informed Comment)


Romney Poses, as Militants Kill US Ambassador

By Juan Cole, Informed Comment

12 September 12

 

redictably, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney tried to make political hay of the tiny demonstrations in Cairo and Benghazi by Muslim militants. The Benghazi mob turned violent in clashes with police and the consulate ended up being burned and an embassy staffer is said to have been the US ambassador and three staffers were killed.

Romney seized on the frantic tweets of the Cairo embassy issued *before the attacks*, which condemned the sleazy Youtube videos by American Islamophobes that had provoked the ire of the crowds, as evidence that the Obama administration was siding with the attacking mobs. First of all, really? Romney is trying to get elected on the back of a dead US diplomat? Second of all, really? He thinks the State Department thought the attack on themselves was justified? Third of all, really? Romney is selective. When it comes to Christianity, Romney decries a 'war on religion.' But apparently he thinks there *should* be a war on Islamic religion. (Except that Romney hopimself condemned Terry Jones's Qur'an burning a couple of years ago.) Romney's intervention (he is just a civilian at the moment) in American foreign policy is unwise and risky, not to mention distasteful.

The victory in the Libyan elections of nationalist rather than fundamentalist forces, and the rise to power in Egypt of the relatively moderate Muslim Brotherhood has marginalized the militant strain of Muslim activism, known coloquially as ‘jihadis' because of their emphasis on vigilante violence. The vigilante fundamentalists were small but dangerous groups in Muammar Qaddafi's Libya and in Hosni Mubarak's Egypt, and both governments reacted by attacking them and arbitrarily imprisoning them.

The vigilante fundamentalists typically reject elections and democracy, as inauthentic Western imports, and they are headline whores, plotting out attention-grabbing mob actions. These jihadis are tiny groups in Egypt and Libya, though sometimes well-armed and well-trained.

You could make an analogy to the Ku Klux Klan in the United States, which just has perhaps 5,000 active members. But people like Wade Michael Page, who had applied for Klan membership, can make a media splash by simply shooting down people at e.g. a Sikh Temple.

One way the fundamentalist vigilantes can hope to combat their marginalization and political irrelevance in the wake of the Arab Spring is to manufacture a controversy that forces people to side with them. I suspect that is what they were doing in Egypt and Libya, in front of the US embassy in Cairo and at the rump consulate in Benghazi.

That the jihadis could not get bigger crowds up for their demonstrations suggests that they are seen as crackpots by their neighbors. In Libya, their actions may be a catalyst to the new prime minister, to be named today, to spearhead a concerted effort to build new police and army forces on a faster timetable than had the transitional national council. Secular and nationalist Libyans have already announced a peaceful demonstration against the violence at Martyrs' Square in Benghazi for Wednesday afternoon. I doubt the incidents will have long-term political significance. The Neocons will say they are symptoms of the so-called ‘Islamic winter' after the Arab Spring, but that is just a way of making sure Western youth don't identify (as they did during Tahrir) with Arab youth, marking them as a fundamentalist and threatening Other. There isn't any ‘Islamic winter' in Libya, and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt just barely squeaked by to win the presidency against a secular candidate– hardly a landslide.

The pretext for the demonstrations/ attacks was a youtube film by Muslim-hater Sam Bacile, an Israeli-American ‘produced' by provocateur Rev. Terry Jones, he of the Qur'an-burning fame. Things were made worse that two expatriate Coptic Christians are said to have been involved in the film. About ten percent of Egyptians are Christians, and the Muslim militants sometimes attack them. The Israeli right wing and its American supporters have a vested interest in driving a wedge between Americans and the Muslim world, since Muslims on the whole stand against the Israeli colonization of the Palestinian West Bank, the major project of the Israeli right wing. Good relations between the Muslim world and the United States might sway the latter to withdraw support for Israeli expansionism and aggression.

Although some of the Egyptian demonstrators may have, as Ashraf Khalil argues, sincerely thought that the films demeaning the Prophet Muhammad were being widely shown in American theaters on on television, I think the jihadis' leadership cynically manufactured this ‘crisis' in order to grab headlines and force the post-revolutionary governments to take a stand. If they stood with the Americans, they'd be guilty of blasphemy themselves. If they stood with the jihadis, they'd have surrendered some legitimacy to the latter. There is a third possibility, which is to deploy police or army against the vigilantes on grounds they had disturbed the peace, and simply declaring that the US embassy isn't responsible for all the nonsense put up on Youtube.

In Egypt, the small crowd of 1500 just gathered outside the embassy walls (the Cairo embassy is a kind of fortress in the tony Garden City district). At one point they tore down an American flag flying outside the embassy grounds and ran up the black flag favored by militants. (Those black flags are freely sold in Tahrir Square and elsewhere, and aren't necessarily al-Qaeda flags. They just denote militancy and a desire for a fundamentalist government). Al-Masry al-Yawm has photos.

In Benghazi, the crowd of militants that gathered at the consulate may have turned violent in response to police or army intervention. The consulate was just a building in which the US set up during the Libyan Revolution, when Benghazi was the rebel capital, and which they kept going as a consulate after they reopened the US embassy in Tripoli. I met with a consulate official in early June there, and she wasn't even sure the US would keep the consulate open. The small crowd in Benghazi turned violent, and at least one of its members had a rocket propelled grenade launcher, which he either loosed against the police and missed, hitting the consulate, or which he targeted the consulate with deliberately. (Hard to know which). The consulate caught fire and burned to the ground, and in the chaotic violence, the ambassador and the three staffers were killed. The killings were vehemently condemned by the Libyan government, which pledged to punish the perpetrators.

Libya had parliamentary elections in July, in which the Muslim fundamentalists did poorly, with nationalists winning out. Some 20 percent of those elected were women. A couple of neighborhoods in Benghazi are known for their strident fundamentalism, and jihadis did not allow a couple of polling stations in the city to open (though the vast majority of the city voted).

There is a small militant cell in Benghazi that has some RPGs and grenades. They have attacked the Red Cross offices, a convoy of the British consulate, and set off a pipe bomb in front of the US consulate last month. Most people in Benghazi are appalled by these extremists. The collapse of the authoritarian government of Muammar Qaddafi has left Libya without much in the way of professional police and army, both of which have to be rebuilt as institutions functioning in a democratic republic rather than as narrow instruments of oppression, control and torture.

What happened in Benghazi was the action of a tiny fringe, sort of like Ku Klux Klan violence in the US. It isn't typical of the new Libya, and Benghazi is not a lawless or militia-ridden city. One of the narratives of what happened there, in fact, is that the police may have been *too* heavy-handed in an attempt to curb the militants' demonstration, provoking the latter to bring out their one RPG launcher.

The crowds both in Egypt and Libya were tiny. Their militancy is not typical of Egypt or Libya today, both of which are struggling toward more democratic forms of governance. In Cairo, there may have been a failure of policing; police in Egypt feel unfairly demonized because they had been seen as bulwarks of the Mubarak regime, and they often decline to show up to their jobs as a result of this low morale. This police foot-dragging has allowed an increase in petty crime, though Cairo is still far safer than most Western cities.

The government of Egypt is still pretty powerful, and will likely act to curb the militants, as it did in the Sinai recently. A merely fundamentalist president, Muhammad Morsi, probably cannot allow this challenge from the militants to pass. Moreover, this kind of thing is bad for tourism, a major part of the Egyptian economy, which had just begun improving this year after the turmoil of 2011.

On the other hand, there could be more trouble. The Egyptian Actors Guild announced an emergency meeting to study how to respond to the film smearing the Prophet. It may be that this obscure Youtube video could be taken unduly seriously even by the Egyptian mainstream.

 

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+106 # Barbara K 2012-09-12 09:34
This lying little empty suit knows nothing about what our government leaders know about foreign policy or what is happening in the world. He shows how little he knows every time he opens his sleazy little mouth. He is nothing but a civilian, the same as you and me, and to get out their with his idiotic speeches as if he knows what he is shooting off his mouth is thoroughly disgusting. To bad-mouth our President, the one who does know our foreign affairs and what is happening just shows even more that he is just plain stupid, and unAmerican. Same goes for his sidekick, Paul Ryan. Who do they think they are? Just a couple of power hungry know-nothings. Wanting to know where our leadership is. Well, you two morons, he is busy taking care of business, that is where he is.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 !!
The alternative is unbearable.
 
 
-54 # tahoevalleylines 2012-09-12 12:34
The demonstration in New York at the Twin Towers was tiny- fewer than a dozen militant Muslims practicing touch & go with a couple of airliners.

Please Drs. Chomsky & Cole, and respective Presidential speechwriters, read & heed George Grant's "The Blood Of The Moon". NOBODY in Executive Branch (or this page) has the foggiest idea of what Muhammadanism is really about.

Unabridged Arabic Quranic message includes aggressive conversion and or removal of "Infidels", with particular emphasis on Jews/Christians . Believe it or don't. Even the most ardent proponents of "Chrislam" find it hard to explain a singularly violent thread of behavior back to the beginning, 632 A.D.

Webb's article in the Wall Street Journal is reasonable but still does not address the primary mission of all the various political arms: Fatah, Hezbollah, and the Brotherhood all see May 15, 1948 as the "DISASTER". Unequivocally, the aim is to remove the Jews from ALL of Palestine, Europe, the USA, etc.

When the kneejerking subsides, research events leading to 1956 Suez crisis; the ejection of UN personnel prior to the Six-Day War; the 1972 Munich Olympics massacre; circumstances of the 1973 Yom Kippur Egyptian expedition; 1976 airline hijacking to Idi Amin'e villa in Africa...

Threats by Adolf Hitler could be likened to the Iranian comments in our time. There is a time to take comments made by belligerent nations seriously.
 
 
+32 # in deo veritas 2012-09-12 13:49
Why don't we pay attention to the dangerous extremists and their rants in this country? They need to be neutralized so we do not get into a thermonuclear war and/or provoke more violence like this because of them. Jones and Bacile should be the first on the list.
 
 
+11 # Johnny 2012-09-12 18:43
Yes, and tahoevalleyline s and his racist ilk, too.
 
 
+8 # David Starr 2012-09-13 15:11
Yeah, we should look in our "backyard" as a priority. Your point about thermonuclear/p rovoking more violence is perhaps the most important consideration, given of course that there's seemingly a perpetual danger for fanatics of the U.S. religious right, being close to the most powerful arsenal, to want to start some kind of "end-the-world" scenario based on a literal intolerance they decifer from their Bible. Jones and Bacile are worthless.
 
 
+10 # dkonstruction 2012-09-13 10:40
The old testament is full of retribution on "infidels" so this is hardly something that is unique to Islam. And the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition are just two examples of christianities "tolerance" for others.

And, the Nakba is the Palestinian term and it translates as "catastrophe" not "disaster" which it surely was for the nearly 3/4 of a million that were driven from their land and their homes (according to Israeli historian Benny Morris...who is now a rabid right-winger by the way but he still stands by his book though he now says that Israel's "mistake" was in not kicking out all the Palestinians in '48). Hezbollah developed in response to the Israeli invasion of lebenon which culminated in the massacres in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila and the Muslim Brotherhood goes back to the 1920s and has always been more of a nationalist and anti-imperialis t movement.

Please cite even one credible source that shows that the mission of these organizations is to "remove the Jews from ALL of Palestine, Europe, the USA." this is simply not true.

Well, if you want to research the events you mention how about starting with:

1) Benny Morris' The Birth of the Palestinian Refuggee Problem

2) Zeev Sternhell's Founding Myths of Israel

3) Tom Segev's 1967

All of these (by Israli Jews) paint a very different history than the one you present as gospel (so to speak).
 
 
+8 # dkonstruction 2012-09-13 10:41
]Not to mention the fact that George Grant is not a historian or serious scholar...he is an evangelical preacher who also writes books against planned parenthood. if you are going to recommend that people read things at least refer them to respected scholars and experts in their field rather than simply ideological hacks.
 
 
+32 # popeye47 2012-09-12 17:31
Romney would use any occasion to pick up a few points in the election for president.

He is losing ground in the polls and he is desperate and grabbing at straws. At this stage he will try anything, regardless of the consequences.
 
 
-28 # Johnny 2012-09-12 18:41
Well said, Barbara. The killing of the US ambassador in Libya is a sort of poetic justice for the mass murder of Libyans by the Obomber regime, but better would have been no killing at all.
 
 
+20 # doneasley 2012-09-12 21:42
Quoting Barbara K:
This lying little empty suit knows nothing about what our government leaders know about foreign policy or what is happening in the world... Wanting to know where our leadership is. Well, you two morons, he is busy taking care of business, that is where he is...


You're so right, Barbara, about any American - and especially Rmoney - jumping uninformed into the middle of a foreign policy crisis where people are dying, and spouting off like some idiot. The knowledgeable and highly respected foreign policy adviser, RUSH LIMBAUGH supported the TAX-DODGER, calling Rmoney the "only adult in the room".

The blind leading the blind. I rest my case.
 
 
+12 # Barbara K 2012-09-13 09:51
doneasley: Absolutely! It is so unspeakably nuts to spout off about our President during a crisis such as this. He should have known that and had the common sense to shut his mouth. We have one President at a time, and he is not it, and I hope he will never be it. For him to get out there and pretend to be the President and speak before the details were even known. At least our President knows enough to get the details and all info before he comes out with a speech. Romneyhood is just a little "man" trying to score points while we have Americans dying. The Libyans rushed in to help the Americans, they are not our enemies as some suggest, 10 of them died trying to help our Ambassador. They appreciate that we helped rid them of a gruesome dictator, and just let them do most of it. Yes Limbaugh is the King of Idiots speaking about the King of the Liars Club, the Tax Dodger himself. We pay because we are more American than Romneyhood, the millionaire who got there by screwing others out of their money and doesn't want to pay taxes on it.
 
 
0 # dkonstruction 2012-09-13 11:01
Quoting Barbara K:
This lying little empty suit knows nothing about what our government leaders know about foreign policy or what is happening in the world. He shows how little he knows every time he opens his sleazy little mouth. He is nothing but a civilian, the same as you and me, and to get out their with his idiotic speeches as if he knows what he is shooting off his mouth is thoroughly disgusting. To bad-mouth our President, the one who does know our foreign affairs and what is happening just shows even more that he is just plain stupid, and unAmerican. Same goes for his sidekick, Paul Ryan. Who do they think they are? Just a couple of power hungry know-nothings. Wanting to know where our leadership is. Well, you two morons, he is busy taking care of business, that is where he is.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 !!
The alternative is unbearable.



I agree with your take overall but am not sure what you meant by saying that Obama is "the one who does know our foreign affairs and what is happening." does this mean you agree with Obama's foreign policy or simply that you think he knows what's going on in the world which are two very different things.
 
 
+98 # myungbluth 2012-09-12 09:53
Having watched Richard Williamson - Romney's chief foreign policy adviser - bob and weave and hem and haw and spin and deflect when questioned about Romney's shameful, hasty and inaccurate statements about the death of four Americans in Libya - for political gain - shows what we will get if Romney is ever permitted to live in the White House: the same ugly crew we got with George W Bush, who pushed an unnecessary war with Iraq. These same neo-cons are on the Romney "team" right now. Disgusting!
 
 
+12 # Kootenay Coyote 2012-09-12 18:18
& they're successors to Nixon's mouthpieces, too.
 
 
+10 # doneasley 2012-09-12 22:45
Quoting myungbluth:
... the same ugly crew we got with George W Bush, who pushed an unnecessary war with Iraq. These same neo-cons are on the Romney "team" right now. Disgusting!



It could be even more disgusting, myungbluth. Mitt could have Paul "Iraqi Oil Will Pay For The War" Wolfowitz, the great Iraq strategist and corrupt World Bank CEO, on his team. But Paul's flying low now. He wants to run that kickoff back and be the hero of the game, but a teammate with better judgement is blocking his path, realizing that he'll get smeared on the 5-yard line if he ventures out of the end zone.

And we can't forget Dan Senor, who's NOT flying low. He seems to be the know-it-all on Rmoney's foreign policy team. He was L Paul Bremer's chief advisor in Iraq when someone had the brilliant idea of shipping $12 Billion in CASH to Iraq - CASH sitting on pallets in a warehouse in the middle of Iraq! You see where this is going? That money disappeared so fast and no one seems to know where it went. There was a softball congressional investigation where Bremer was able to "explain" to the satisfaction of all involved how $12 BILLION CASH DISAPPEARED into the hands of Iraqi officials. You've gotta be kidding.

Well, I believe Bremer and Senor don't have to work another day in their lives, because their cut of that $12 BILLION is stashed somewhere with Mitt's Millions - or Billions. We really don't know how much Mitt has... do we?
 
 
+9 # Archie1954 2012-09-12 09:53
For goodness sakes please begin at least to understand that destroying a nation's infrastructure, assassinating its leader (no matter how nasty a man) and destabilizing its society brings blowback. The death of this American representative, as sad as it is, is just revenge for past American misdeeds.
 
 
+25 # David Starr 2012-09-12 10:43
It is cause and effect. I wonder how many "9/11"s are being observed in other countries regarding the U.S. bonbing, etc. of those countries? I wonder what the overall death toll is? If the U.S. sincerely renounces itself as an empire, that would be a pivotal moment. And there be way less chance of blowback.
 
 
+31 # Glen 2012-09-12 10:51
You are correct, Archie1954. The U.S. has done nothing but destabilize one country after another for decades, along with taking out legitimate leaders. Even Osama bin Laden said that he along with thousands of others simply wanted the U.S. out of their lives and countries. The hatred has been building and more recently increasing exponentially.

Having said that, it must also be said that the CIA could easily be to blame for each of these events, stirring the pot and arming the rebels. Should it arise in conferences in D.C. the members just might put attacking Libya "on the table". Or just another nasty threat with sanctions in place. We shall see.
 
 
+26 # bmiluski 2012-09-12 11:40
Let's see, first President Obama was critizied because he didn't jump right in during the Egyptian Spring Awakening, then he was critized for sending in drones to help defeat Kadafi, now he's responsible for ALL the distabilization on the planet. What a powerful man he is.
 
 
+16 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-12 12:58
I wonder why he is himself not able to supply the World with food and energy after all He is being made a God.

Romney on the other hand and his buds are Satanists. I would like to see Romneys kids on that front line in Iran
 
 
+9 # mdhome 2012-09-12 20:47
The RoMoneys of the world NEVER get themselves involved personally in violence, the pay others to die for their foolishness. Or better yet get others to pay the bills.
 
 
-7 # Glen 2012-09-12 14:12
That destabilization , bmiluski, has been building for decades, not just under Obama.

However, Obama ok'd the drone program, and the expansion of attacks on countries, including Pakistan. Pakistan's attack came his first day in office.

Obama is not innocent in the chaos.
 
 
+1 # Johnny 2012-09-12 18:49
Yes, and the CIA and Mossad are the most likely perpetrators of the 9/11/2001 attacks on the twin towers and pentagon. Lacking a sworn confession, the best evidence is circumstantial: who had motive and access, and who benefited? Israel. Who else benefited? Nobody except war profiteers, the owner of the towers, and a few politicians in the pay of the neoconservative s.
 
 
-8 # Glen 2012-09-13 05:21
Right, Johnny. There are hundreds of people around the world who have studied that event and their evidence is astounding.
 
 
-34 # phantomww 2012-09-12 11:15
Would one of these misdeeds be the killing of Osama bin Laden? Don't you find it just a little curious that they attacked and killed our Ambassador just a week after Obama and Biden "spiked the ball" at the convention about how Obama killed Osama?
Now new reports are coming out that these attacks may have been planned.
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-12 13:00
They are all planned. Every Embassy everywhere is a target always has been...I could go back at least to the 50's Saw lots of Embassy used and blown up

Their are Hit Lists...after all we are ManKind.. The Muslim Faith allows the Revenge, kind of like that Christian Show on TV ... An Eye for an Eye but do not want to mix up the two books after all they are not at all similar heh heh heh
 
 
+23 # Billy Bob 2012-09-12 13:19
I find it a bit curious that you refer to Democrats killing bin laden as "spiking the ball" and if repugs had done it, YOU would have been spiking the ball for them.

If bin laden were still alive, you'd be making comments on this same thread saying that maybe this wouldn't have happened if Obama hadn't "dropped the ball" (to continue your football analogy) about getting bin laden.

This isn't about anything but who gets to "score points" with you, and right now you're worried because your guy is down by a lot more than a field goal.
 
 
-11 # Johnny 2012-09-12 18:56
Of course, you and I don't know whether Bin Laden is alive or dead, or whether he had anything to do with the destruction of the twin towers. All we know is that the totally Zionist controlled media and the AIPAC owned government of the US say (without producing any evidence whatsoever) he was guilty and was assassinated.
 
 
0 # Cassandra2012 2012-10-14 14:08
bigotry before facts ,,,,
 
 
+1 # phantomww 2012-09-12 20:50
Billy Bob,
Actually, the term "spike the ball" came from Obama, not me.
I also remember many libs saying how every time we kill an islamist it causes more to become terrorist. So, by that logic, Obama is creating more terrorists by using all of his drone attacks.
 
 
-7 # overanddone 2012-09-12 13:22
Don't you find it a coincidence that the attack was 0n 9 11.
To quote one of the greatest Philosophers of our time,
"Bring it on"
 
 
+10 # mdhome 2012-09-12 20:50
Now what kind of fool would say "Bring it on"?
 
 
+8 # Barbara K 2012-09-13 10:02
mdhome: I heard a fool say that: George Bush said that about the Iraqis.
 
 
+5 # X Dane 2012-09-13 12:51
Barbara.
Yes BUSH definitely said BRING IT ON. during the Iraq war. So unbelievably stupid and reckless. I can't remember WHEN it was. Somebody here probably can.
 
 
+4 # Barbara K 2012-09-13 14:30
XDane: Wasn't it in his speech on the Aircraft Carrier he grandstanded on with the "Mission Accomplished" banner behind him?
 
 
+3 # Glen 2012-09-12 14:17
Don't know why you are getting the ole red minus points, phantommww. You are presenting a real issue. Every attack and every rebellion has a core issue, and these most recent events are no different.

Certainly these attacks were planned. We just cannot be certain, at this point, who planned those attacks.
 
 
-6 # Johnny 2012-09-12 18:52
True, but we can be sure that the official explanation is a diversion, a cover-up, and a lie.
 
 
-4 # phantomww 2012-09-12 20:53
Glen, it is no suprise to me to get the red minus points. Anytime someone critizes Obama here in RSN land, it brings about a reaction much like we see in the middle east when the prophet is dissed (at least in their minds).
 
 
0 # Glen 2012-09-14 06:17
True. Hardly anyone accepts the overall agenda of the American government and the participation of each "chosen" president. The U.S. will never operate as it once did.
 
 
+68 # overanddone 2012-09-12 10:05
Once again Mitt disqualifies himself as a serious candidate. Criticizing a statement prior to the Egyptian attack as an apology for something that had yet to happen.
Injecting his stupid political judgement
into what should be a somber mourning of the murdered diplomats.
He places himself as the defender of Terry Jones & Sam Bacile as his constitutional stand.
This guy is a liar and he is dangerous because he is a liar without shame or conscious and very little knowledge of anything but tax loopholes.
 
 
+44 # mdhome 2012-09-12 10:18
more deaths linked to religion, blame Muslims? blame Christians? Terr Jones taunting Muslims? More hate among the religious then among the non-religious.
 
 
+23 # David Starr 2012-09-12 10:39
To quote: "Romney seized on the frantic tweets of the Cairo embassy issued *before the attacks*, which condemned the sleazy Youtube videos by American Islamophobes that had provoked the ire of the crowds, as evidence that the Obama administration was siding with the attacking mobs." Romney seized alright. Too bad he didn't have a seizure in the process. Romney is desperate. He's even throwing in the "kitchen sink" to smear Obama. The video made denegrating Mohammad by an Isreali-America n suit was indeed the literal provocation for this incident. How about the making of a video denegrating Christ? Looks like Muslims owe the "favor." Then I'd like to see how the U.S. Religious Right responds. This time, will the provocation be blamed or the reaction? Yeah, Romney would have an answer for that. This would be a double flip-flop.
 
 
+10 # mdhome 2012-09-12 20:54
I can tell you how the "christian right" would react, kill some innocent citizens who happened to be near a mosque.
 
 
+4 # David Starr 2012-09-13 09:50
I really think that if they could get away with it, most would do that. But they've got near access to a war machine that does the job for them in massive fashion. Then, there's the old "We have to Christianize those people. They have except Christ as their savior." Only, these brain dead fanatics don't recognize the fact that others worship according to their indigenous beliefs. The U.S. Religious Right: A dirty residue of the Crusades.
 
 
+7 # Sidney 2012-09-12 10:46
In the light of Romney's vulgar addition of a political message attached to his note of condolence, Obama has the right, indeed, the obligation to tell him that unless he quits trying to make hay out of this tragedy, he will call off the debates. Obama should insist on an apology. That, however, is as unlikely as unlikely can be because he himself is just a pol, in the worst sense of the term
 
 
-40 # MidwestTom 2012-09-12 11:00
Every Jew and Christian should leave the middle east. They are severely out numbered by a foe that believes killing oneself to kill others is rewarded in the afterlife. If Israel wants to survive they should invite in all Christians in the area, and then launch a full scale war to double their size. But we should not send any troops to that war.
 
 
-20 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-12 13:04
Let the Jews Stay please they would not be anything but a nuisance. I would like those who are using the USA for their Religious and Political Gains to leave.

We should leave the Middle East and let them blow each other up Talk about learning to use Green Energy Produce JObs Wow we have found another solution Let's get our money for this idea and run Please leave a 20% tip for RSN
 
 
+6 # CAMUS1111 2012-09-13 08:33
bigot
 
 
+3 # dkonstruction 2012-09-13 11:08
Quoting KittatinyHawk:
Let the Jews Stay please they would not be anything but a nuisance. I would like those who are using the USA for their Religious and Political Gains to leave.

We should leave the Middle East and let them blow each other up Talk about learning to use Green Energy Produce JObs Wow we have found another solution Let's get our money for this idea and run Please leave a 20% tip for RSN


If there is any way that we can more than a nuisance to you please let us Jews know; we'd be happy to oblige.
 
 
+4 # CAMUS1111 2012-09-13 12:23
i suggest everytime this bigot post soemthing we respond by posting "Bigot" I am not Jewish but KittatinyHawk is offensive garbage.
 
 
0 # Cassandra2012 2012-10-14 14:10
bigotry is definitely unattractive!
 
 
+16 # Billy Bob 2012-09-12 13:23
I know it really bothers who to face the fact that not everything is about Islam. Sometimes it's about oil. Sometimes it's about mineral wealth. Sometimes it's about strategic places to ship oil and mineral wealth.

Either way, you're right about one thing. Our military has no moral high ground to be occupying the Middle-East by force.
 
 
-3 # Johnny 2012-09-12 19:00
Actually it's about the efforts of Jewish supremacists to create an "Arabrein" Palestine the way the Aryan supremacists wanted to create a "Judenrein" Europe.
 
 
+2 # Johnny 2012-09-12 18:58
Are you talking about "the rapture?"
 
 
+5 # dkonstruction 2012-09-13 11:06
Quoting MidwestTom:
Every Jew and Christian should leave the middle east. They are severely out numbered by a foe that believes killing oneself to kill others is rewarded in the afterlife. If Israel wants to survive they should invite in all Christians in the area, and then launch a full scale war to double their size. But we should not send any troops to that war.


Sorry, Midwest Tom, but if you take the long view of history, Jews tended to do much better under Islam than they did under European Christianity. And, the full scale war you are calling for is precisely what the right-wing fundamentalist christian fascists in this country are hoping for because they only support Israel to bring on such a war which they believe is the biblical apocalypse which will then usher in the rapture.
 
 
+21 # lorenbliss 2012-09-12 11:08
I fear this is the turning point in the election. The Republicans are spinning the murder of the U.S. ambassador and staffers into a Big Lie of total failure by President Obama.

Moron Nation will undoubtedly buy the lie and vote Obama out in the same vengeful rage that ousted Carter in 1980.

With Romney/Ryan in the White House, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance (and any other safety-net stipend) will be terminated. We who are elderly, disabled, unemployed or just chronically poor will thus be slain by genocidal abandonment.

This will be a huge triumph for capitalism whether in terms of the billions of dollars so looted or the extermination of so many of us deemed “unprofitable” – “unfit for life” under the Ayn Rand fascism Romney/Ryan will impose.

Which makes me wonder how the Benghazi incident occurred. It is as much a gift to the Romney/Ryan campaign as the Iran hostage crisis was to the Reagan/Bush victory. Given how it furthers the conversion of the U.S. to overt fascism, I can hardly regard it as more coincidental than the Reichstag Fire.

Indeed it is as if the Nazi influence in the U.S. intelligence apparatus and the U.S. legacy of providing sanctuary to Nazis in general – all war criminals clandestinely united with their capitalist financiers in fervent desire to build a Fourth Reich – has spawned a cabal now imposing its unspeakable malevolence on a people too stupid to resist.
 
 
+18 # Independentgal 2012-09-12 12:00
Great comment, but I don't think this incident will be a turning point in favor of Romney. The morons are already in his camp. I don't think the undecideds are that stupid, even though they could find another reason (that they deem legitimate) to vote in the end for Romney. The brainwashing of the morons has been frightening.
 
 
+15 # in deo veritas 2012-09-12 13:59
Do these idiots think they would be fit to join Romney's church? Idoubt that. The Mormons have high standards they could not meet. Too bad these looneys are too typical of the Bachmann Church of Hate that so many ignorant Americans find appealing.
 
 
+10 # Johnny 2012-09-12 19:03
Certainly the hatemonger Romney is unfit to be a member of that church. They might have asked him to leave, if he were not so wealthy.
 
 
+8 # lorenbliss 2012-09-12 15:53
I hope beyond hope I am wrong -- that you and the others who share your optimism are correct.
 
 
+20 # Gryzelda 2012-09-12 13:00
Actually, I am thinking that what Mittens said today might blow up n his smug face. What I am hearing in the media is mostly contempt for Romney, for politicizing this tragedy and speculation that he blew it with the comments. When this sort of thing occurs, Americans don't like it being jumped on immediately for pollitical purposes.He, or his handlers, did not have the smarts to wait a few days until the immediate grieving had taken place. His behavior smacks of desperation. I do not think it will benefit him at all.
 
 
+7 # in deo veritas 2012-09-12 13:56
BRAVO! At last a keen grasp of the situation!
 
 
+29 # MindDoc 2012-09-12 11:11
Sad all around. The offensive acts and harm to American (and Biblical) values wrought by Rev. Jones (preaching hate rather than love and respect) are bad enough. We live in a world "walking on eggshells" to avoid offending nations, dictators, religious followers, and political/milit ary powers. We seem to never learn.

But to the headline here, it's perfectly stated: Romney's immediate response is to try to immediately assert his own relevance by using any occasion as an opportunity to "pose" for the cameras while bashing Obama. (Amazingly, he's now credited, if the story is to be believed, with having taken out bin Laden, and I suppose he also found the cure for polio and invented money...)

Our lives are so full of constantly-stre aming messaging, ads, and now SCOTUS/SuperPac legalization of unlimited, unchecked propaganda and hate/attack rhetoric, the last thing we need is having Mitt the Flip pop up as the tagline to any bad news in history, saying "It's Obama's fault", and he of course would do it better. (Outsourcing troops? Firing dictators?)

Yes he's 'posing' - non stop and with no shame. As they say, "take a picture; it lasts longer". In his case it's doubly so - see what he says is his position today, but look quick since it will be something else a moment later, when convenience and circumstances call for it.

Sad all around,
 
 
+10 # AMLLLLL 2012-09-12 12:15
Someone should give Terry Jones a pre-frontal lobotamy if he has not already had one.

Step two would be to somehow convey to the Libyans that their religious leaders foment hate and love nothing more than to mislead their people.(sound familiar?)
 
 
-11 # Johnny 2012-09-12 19:06
Yeah, except that Obomber murdered thousands of Libyans to put those religious leaders in power.
 
 
+10 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-12 13:06
Use what he wants he has not got a clue on foreign policy nor his followers and he has not a clue on fixing the USA Economically, bought graduation certificate or not.
 
 
-2 # CAMUS1111 2012-09-13 12:24
bigot
 
 
+28 # vgirl1 2012-09-12 11:27
Romney once again panders to his base, and proves he is not ready for prime time when it comes to foreign affairs and diplomatic relations.

Never has a presidential candidate been so self centered that rather than give the nation and the families of the fallen even 24 hours to mourn before he plays politics. Romney stuck his nose in where he had less than all the facts and indeed the wrong facts to try to make political gain. We know his campaign is floundering and losing ground, but this was NOT the way to try to get back up. He should apologize to the families of the fallen and the nation.
 
 
+8 # in deo veritas 2012-09-12 14:04
Fat chance Rummey will apologize. That is a concept alien to the arrogant oligarchy that he represents. People have gotten all over NBC for not observing a moment of silence yesterday morning. An honest mistake. What this clown just did is no mistake but deliberate. Any faux apology should get the reply "HELL NO".
 
 
+30 # grandone@charter.net 2012-09-12 11:27
One would think that Governor Romney's "advisors" would have told him to wait until there was a statement by the USSOS or the POTUS before making a statement. It was a rash decision indicative of an amateur on the international stage. Embarrassing.
 
 
+27 # jack406 2012-09-12 11:29
Be kind to Romney. He is a paranoid schizophrenic! How else could he change his mind so often on policy? Why else does he want us to Bomb Iran and withdraw from Afghanistan and go to war with the Soviet Union while starting a trade war with China?

The man needs to take some of his money back from The Cayman Island and get professional psychiatric help.

Just don't vote him into office!
 
 
+12 # reiverpacific 2012-09-12 12:05
Don't forget that Twit is a Moron -'scuse -me, add an 'm' after the 'r' and both apply, which cult-religion only views all other nations as potential converts to which they send out their brainwashed young missionaries.
He has no business commenting on any foreign issue which, has been richly illustrated, noted and recorded by his post-RNC visits to other countries including the UK and Israel, where he showed his ineptitude almost every time he opened his gob and with his utterly out-of-touch remarks at the convention itself. Yet he doesn't have the basic common-sense to shut up rather than showing his international ignorance by piling gaffe-upon-gaff e! Keep it up twit buddy, November is a-comin'.
As a great British comedian once said, "There's nothing worse than a fuckin'idiot who can't see that he's a fuckin' idiot!"
 
 
+8 # MindDoc 2012-09-12 12:11
Coincidentally, I just came upon this video on Politivids.com In terms of Romney's 'posing' for photo ops - Here's a Carly Simon re-make, "You're So Bain". Precious.

http://www.politivids.com/portfolio-view/youre-so-bain-2012/

Of course, while satire can bring a quick smile amid all the worries and bad news, this is a "severe" important election ahead, with very real consequences for all of us. We the People need rid ourselves of the self-serving & corrupt spinners, mercenaries & scoundrels in Congress, and ensure we (re) elect a wise & serious leader of We the People, not a 'poser', whose positions are etched in mercury.
 
 
-10 # psmall 2012-09-12 12:37
Why does Juan Cole continue to perpetuate a lie. Every other reliable news source has written that Bacile is not an Israeli and the Israeli government has even reported they find no citizen by that name.
Is this another instance were Cole proves himself to be governed by bias instead of facts?
 
 
+3 # in deo veritas 2012-09-12 14:07
Why should anyone believe a word the Israeli government says? They are lunatics bent on starting a Middle east inferno that they cannot win. WE cannot be involved! US interest must come first!
 
 
+3 # reiverpacific 2012-09-12 17:09
Quoting psmall:
Why does Juan Cole continue to perpetuate a lie. Every other reliable news source has written that Bacile is not an Israeli and the Israeli government has even reported they find no citizen by that name.
Is this another instance were Cole proves himself to be governed by bias instead of facts?

Please give me an example of "Reliable News Source". Thanks in advance for your contribution, if applicable.
Bias, including mine, from life lived all over the world experience, exists wherever you look -it's the most heavily-funded bias which can give life to whatever lie is being told at any particular time. There are many, many more who would give news as it were freshly-cooked but in reality is just a schedule of instructions from on high by the owner-media.
We're trying to get at some truths here, altruistic if possible. Otherwise, what is journalism about?
 
 
+5 # dkonstruction 2012-09-13 08:34
Quoting reiverpacific:
Quoting psmall:
Why does Juan Cole continue to perpetuate a lie. Every other reliable news source has written that Bacile is not an Israeli and the Israeli government has even reported they find no citizen by that name.
Is this another instance were Cole proves himself to be governed by bias instead of facts?

Please give me an example of "Reliable News Source". Thanks in advance for your contribution, if applicable.
Bias, including mine, from life lived all over the world experience, exists wherever you look -it's the most heavily-funded bias which can give life to whatever lie is being told at any particular time. There are many, many more who would give news as it were freshly-cooked but in reality is just a schedule of instructions from on high by the owner-media.
We're trying to get at some truths here, altruistic if possible. Otherwise, what is journalism about?


AP is now reporting (the Guardian has also picked this up) that the cell phone number they were given for "bacile" is the same number as the one for a coptic christian in california who admits having something to do with the film but says he is not the film maker
 
 
-1 # Johnny 2012-09-12 19:09
Actually, every other reliable news source says Bacile is Israeli. And why are you surprised?
 
 
+1 # dkonstruction 2012-09-13 08:35
Quoting Johnny:
Actually, every other reliable news source says Bacile is Israeli. And why are you surprised?


Check the AP reporting unless you consider them not to be one of those "every other reliable news source"
 
 
+1 # Glen 2012-09-13 04:56
An interesting list is available if you will do a search for U.S. government dual Israeli/America n citizenship. You will be shocked at what you find.
 
 
+14 # Old Uncle Dave 2012-09-12 13:08
Using someone's death to make political hay doesn't play well with american voters. It's as if Romney knows he is going to lose this election and so doesn't care what he says.
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-12 13:13
Mr Cole I again must ask that if you are to do research there are much more than 5,000 KKK. Any anti human group, aryan nation, there is another 1%er factor we ignore....are all followers of KKK, Nazi worship. They do not even have the decency to be Pagans yet call them selves as such. There is growing Cult of anti everything that was created by God or Allah or whomever The Cult is a meeting of Politicians, Religious and the other rally members that make up their voting crap.
It is the minorities that should wake up, every country should give us a boarding pass to go home....

I would like a Story of the Romney Boys in the Guard, Reserves for this next War. With or without OB approval there will be a next war. I hope we are in charge and all must be drafted...no exceptions...no t a one!

Let us send that message to the World. We like other Countries are going to arm our Children, like the Crusades, and go to War for the Biggest Risk Game ever.

Romney is not worth the story...he is white trash like all the others in his Cult.
 
 
0 # in deo veritas 2012-09-12 14:14
The groups you mentioned all fall under one banner-NIHILISM . Opposed to everything civilized or decent, regardless of the religion that has spawned a code of ethics. You are right regarding the draft. The only fasir way to do it would be to allow no exceptions. The draft during the Vietnam War was run in a despicable and illegal manner. Otherwise there would not be so many draft-dodgers and cowards populating the ranks of government, etc (Limbaugh, Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc.) And none of the conscientious objector crap that so many hippie types tried to use.
 
 
+16 # WhoKilledJFK 2012-09-12 14:30
No incident too cynical for The Magneto & Titanium Man (Ryan/Romney), who stop at nothing to make nothing from nothing.
 
 
+15 # unitedwestand 2012-09-12 14:44
Randi Rhodes made an succinct comment about Romney: " Romney may be the first presidential nominee to ever start a war." Like someone above said, the disrespect shown by him, to speak before knowing all the facts and before the president commented is unforgivable, since he is right now a civilian just like most of us.

The President did respond by saying: "Romney tends to shoot before aiming." Perfect analogy.

Just think Romney/Ryan he can do if he is elected. God forbid.
 
 
+6 # Dion Giles 2012-09-12 16:50
How many have stopped to wonder if
(1) the production and hyping up of the movie on Mohammed by a Zionist cell
(2) the stirring up of the religiofascist militias in Libya and Egypt and
(3) Romney coming in on cue to blame the whole thing on Obama
- all within an extraordinarily short time frame - were truly separate events? Who benefits? Israel can't grab more territory unless it attacks Iran via Syria, and Israel would be in deep trouble attacking Iran on its own. It needs a reluctant America on side. For that it needs a Republican victory in November. The dots are in place to form a picture of a co-ordinated operation including the targeting of the US Ambassador. Just as the Iran-Contra affair was co-ordinated. Regime change ambitions aren't confined to overseas regimes.
 
 
+6 # mdhome 2012-09-12 22:29
Sheldon Adelson is backing R&R with millions for such a result? He stands to make billions if R&R get elected. How many billions more to be made by R&R with Adelson, if they get a war started with Iran? Many billions that the middle class will have to pay along with the blood of innocents.
 
 
+5 # cordleycoit 2012-09-12 18:13
A mob with crew served weapons becomes another death squad. Killing an ambassador is a major no no and Army's know this will lead to drones and SEALS disturbing their nights sleep. And remember this is Middle East where psychopaths rule and run armies.
It appears a decent person was murdered by Army thugs. The film excuse is for lame nonthinkers and camp following apologists.
 
 
-1 # Johnny 2012-09-12 19:13
The film is just another example of Zionist propaganda intended to provoke reactions that the ruling elite in the US will use as pretexts for the mass murder of more men, women, and children to promote Israeli expansionism and Jewish supremacism.
 
 
+3 # mdhome 2012-09-12 22:32
There is unbelievable tons of money to be made from it to boot for those in the investment class.
 
 
+2 # dkonstruction 2012-09-13 08:40
Quoting Johnny:
The film is just another example of Zionist propaganda intended to provoke reactions that the ruling elite in the US will use as pretexts for the mass murder of more men, women, and children to promote Israeli expansionism and Jewish supremacism.


And your comment is "just another example" of the out and out anti-semitism that exists among some on this board. First, AP is now reporting that the cell phone number they were given for a phone interview with the "israeli-americ an" film maker is the same number as the one for a coptic christian in california that has admitted being involved with the film but has so far denied that he is the film maker.

As for "Jewish supremacism"... i am an american anti-zionist jew who considers all people equal and have one standard when it comes to critiquing gov't's...and that includes condemning both islamophopes and out and out anti-semitic drival such as the one you just spewed.
 
 
-6 # FDRva 2012-09-12 21:54
May we assume that the President intends to start another war in the Middle East? And this is the pre-election background noise?

The Libyans the White House put in charge, following the Qaddafi assassination-- most likely arranged this one to curry favor in DC--and get more $ aid.

Romney's political advisers may not be as ham-handed as culpable Establishment intelligence community critics suggest.

And the Obama campaign's soaring rhetoric of 2008 looks--on the ground-- a lot like Cheney's agenda.
 
 
+2 # mjc 2012-09-13 10:25
No, probably Romney setting the stage for what he would like to accomplish in the Middle East.
 
 
0 # FDRva 2012-09-12 22:10
President Obama is not an avowed neo-con.

His Bush-like war policies suggest the President is merely an un-avowed Neo-Con.

And who does he expect to enlist for his next war?

Don't ask. (Don't tell, either.)
 
 
-1 # Glen 2012-09-13 04:45
The new wars will be conducted via drone, economics, and computer takeovers. Those weapons are already in place. The U.S. is in Iran's computers. Recent wars are traditional in appearance only, and those wars have been waged for longer than Americans are aware of.

And yes, Obama was recruited by neo-cons and knew the agenda before he was allowed to run for president.
 
 
+3 # lisamoskow 2012-09-13 08:54
I think we could say that the most corrupt elements in any society breed chaos because chaos is the best cover for corruption.
 
 
-11 # ditorac1 2012-09-13 11:33
HOW SOON YOU FORGET! 9/11 IS ETCHED IN MY MIND. WE ARE AT WAR WITH ISLAM AND I HAVE NO QUALMS WITH USING ANY AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE IN OUR ARSENAL TO WIN AND GET IT OVER WITH. WE HAVE THE STRONGEST MILITARY IN THE WORLD. LET'S USE IT FOR THE PURPOSE IT IS MEANT TO BE USED FOR.
 
 
+7 # David Starr 2012-09-13 13:07
You're having a flashback to the Crusades. Your mind is stuck in a semi-12th century time warp. The tone of your post is quite familiar: Very Dr. Strangelovian. (You've stopped worrying and learned to love the bomb?) This has been quite a tradition of invade, occupy, bomb. Too bad you couldn't be there when, or if, the next imperial war starts; being part of the local population. Then you'd be in the heart of the action, fleeing with others of the population. Maybe you'd get forced into an Abu Ghraib-type scandal. No need to bring anything. They have all the right instruments waiting there for you. Figures you're a caps key kinda guy. The ultra-nationali sm, and political stupidity shows.
 
 
+2 # reiverpacific 2012-09-13 19:40
Quoting ditorac1:
HOW SOON YOU FORGET! 9/11 IS ETCHED IN MY MIND. WE ARE AT WAR WITH ISLAM AND I HAVE NO QUALMS WITH USING ANY AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE IN OUR ARSENAL TO WIN AND GET IT OVER WITH. WE HAVE THE STRONGEST MILITARY IN THE WORLD. LET'S USE IT FOR THE PURPOSE IT IS MEANT TO BE USED FOR.

Gadzooks and e'fackins.
You have the biggest military for sure; more that the rest of the world combined several times over. What is it meant to be used for? -Takeover of wherever it wants at the behest of the corporate state (a.k.a., 'Fascism' last time I looked).
My Gawd, you sound like a facsimile of Mush Limp-balls who yapped constantly that "The only reason to have Nuclear weapons is to use them"!
It doesn't make this a great country, just an under-educated bully with big brass knuckles -but I've brought a couple of them down and they fall of their own weight and ambition to dominate others eventually, sadly doing much damage in the process with the cooperation of your likes.
If "Any and every thing we have in our arsenal to win" were used, the planet would be uninhabitable. Like that do you?
Stupid is as stupid does; and I thought that the Neanderthals had died out!
 
 
+4 # psmall 2012-09-13 13:43
The anti-semites and conspiracy nuts are having a feeding frenzy. And when it is established that no Israeli or Jew was involved in this movie production they will quietly crawl back into their hole and await another opportunity to castigate Israel. It makes no difference to them if the accusations are true or not. In instances like this, truth is the first casualty. They should know that no Israeli would make a piece of cr*p like this.
 
 
0 # RICHARDKANEpa 2012-09-15 15:40
In 1969 the Charles Manson clan when there was intense racial tension in the US wrote “pig” their victim's blood hoping to set off a race war,
http://www.franksreelreviews.com/shorttakes/sharontate.htm

What if their had been a group of both Blacks and Whites trying to ferment total race war but with less direct provocations then direct murder. A Rep. Dana Rohrabacher Chairman of the Oversight and Investigation Subcommittee, constantly trying to provoke war between the US and Pakistan, and gain independence for the rebellious province of Azeri,
http://rohrabacher.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=308332

Plus Basseley Nakoula who produced a trailor claiming to be part of a hate film bankrolled by wealthy Jewish donors. A Dick Cheney constantly warning of war with the Muslim World and, it's in dispute exactly what he did to encourage 9/1l. Rohrabacher supported the idea of a Romney Presidency long before most others did and he along with Romney are claiming Obama is weakening us by not drastically increasing words and armaments against the Muslim world. Alas perhaps Charles Manson was ahead of his time.
 
 
0 # RICHARDKANEpa 2012-09-28 22:04
Unfortunately hasty comments tend to be shallow, and on blogs like this dated comments are seldom read

Insulting Muslims needs to be compared to the "N" word and shouting Vicious "P at a police officer's funeral,

http://readersupportednews.org/pm-section/212-212/13706-insulting-muslims-contrasted-with-the-n-word-and-shouting-vicious-p-at-a-police-officers-funeral
 

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