Excerpt: "Clinton single-handedly dismantled the Romney campaign's central talking points."
Former President Bill Clinton hugged President Obama onstage. (photo: Doug Mills/NYT)
Bill Clinton's Barn Burning Speech Leaves Romney-Ryan Bleeding on the Ground
06 September 12
n what may prove to be one of the great blunders of the 2012 campaign, the Romney camp spent the past weeks elevating Bill Clinton's status as a means of attacking Barack Obama. In an interview with CNN this week, vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan said, "Bill Clinton was a different kind of Democrat than Barack Obama... Bill Clinton worked with the Republicans to cut spending. Bill Clinton did not play the kind of political games that President Obama's playing."
On Wednesday night, those efforts came back to bite them when Bill Clinton articulated the case for Barack Obama's re-election better than the Obama campaign itself has done so far. The "Big Dog" alternated between offering up some down-home populism and explaining, often in fine detail, the policy differences that divide Obama and Mitt Romney - and what, exactly, the latter's extreme ideology would result in for the American people.
Clinton did a far better job of fact-checking the Romney-Ryan campaign's claims than the media's self-appointed fact-checkers, and in doing so, he reminded the crowd that, regardless of any criticisms of Clinton's own policies that one might harbor, there is simply nobody in American politics today who can grab and hold an audience the way Bill Clinton can when he's on. And on Wednesday night, he was on.
In the days leading up to Clinton's speech, some of the leading hacks of our pundit class worked feverishly to create a dramatic storyline around the evening. Ben Smith suggested that Democrats were "wait[ing] nervously" to see if "private strategic differences" between the current and former president "might play out in public." Lanny Davis urged Obama to follow Clinton's "legacy" by embracing the (nonexistent) Simpson-Bowles Commission recommendations and being nicer to his Republican opponents (no, really). And Fox News "Democrats" Pat Caddell and Doug Schoen wrote, "Mr. Obama should follow the lead of President Bill Clinton, who emphasized in both his terms in office the need for unity and consensus to achieve fiscal restraint. Inviting Mr. Clinton to speak at the convention Wednesday night is a sure sign that the Obama campaign understands the need to move to the center."
But a polling memo released this week by Lake Research found that progressive economic messages were far better received by real voters than the tepid faux-centrism embraced by most Beltway bloviators, and nobody ever accused Bill Clinton of lacking keen political instincts. So, in a typically in-depth speech clocking in at almost 50 minutes, Clinton - whom Josh Marshall described as looking "like a caged animal let back out for a brief run in the wild" - systematically dismantled (perhaps "dismembered" is a better word) all of the mendacious rhetoric that has been offered up by the Romney campaign.
The Republican argument, said Clinton, is essentially: "we left him a total mess. But he hasn't cleaned it up fast enough so fire him and put us back in." Then Clinton turned to the real problem with the Romney-Ryan plan: "arithmetic."
People ask me all the time how we delivered four surplus budgets. What new ideas did we bring? I always give a one-word answer: arithmetic. If they stay with a $ 5 trillion tax cut in a debt reduction plan the arithmetic tells us that one of three things will happen: 1) they'll have to eliminate so many deductions like the ones for home mortgages and charitable giving that middle class families will see their tax bill go up two thousand dollars year while people making over $ 3 million a year get will still get a $250,000 tax cut; or 2) they'll have to cut so much spending that they'll obliterate the budget for our national parks, for ensuring clean air, clean water, safe food, safe air travel; or they'll cut way back on Pell Grants, college loans, early childhood education and other programs that help middle class families and poor children, not to mention cutting investments in roads, bridges, science, technology and medical research; or 3) they'll do what they've been doing for 30-plus years now - cut taxes more than they cut spending, explode the debt, and weaken the economy. Remember, Republican economic policies quadrupled the debt before I took office and doubled it after I left. We simply can't afford to double-down on trickle-down.
Clinton pointed out that since 1961, the GOP has held the White House for 28 years and the Dems have had it for 24. In that time, according to our 42nd president, 66 million jobs had been created in this country, 42 million of which came on the Democrats' watch. He concluded:
It turns out that advancing equal opportunity and economic empowerment is both morally right and good economics, because discrimination, poverty and ignorance restrict growth, while investments in education, infrastructure and scientific and technological research increase it, creating more good jobs and new wealth for all of us.
Then Clinton single-handedly dismantled the Romney campaign's central talking points. Of the charge that Obama had watered-down Clinton-era welfare reforms, he said, "the claim that President Obama weakened welfare reform's work requirement is just not true." Clinton explained: "when some Republican governors asked to try new ways to put people on welfare back to work, the Obama Administration said they would only do it if they had a credible plan to increase employment by 20 percent. You hear that? More work." He continued with a sharp elbow, saying, "But they keep running ads on it. As their campaign pollster said 'we're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers.' Now that is true. I couldn't have said it better myself."
Of the other Big Lie employed by the Romney-Ryan campaign, Clinton said, "When Congressman Ryan looked into that TV camera and attacked President Obama's Medicare savings as 'the biggest, coldest power play,' I did not know whether to laugh or cry." He noted that the Ryan plan featured the same "cuts" - they aren't cuts in Medicare benefits - that Obama enacted and Romney called a "raid" on Medicare, and added, "it takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."
Clinton provided an accessible explanation of the philosophical divide in this election: "If you want a 'you're on your own, winner take all society' you should support the Republican ticket," he said. But "if you want a country of shared opportunities and shared responsibilities - a 'we're all in it together' society, you should vote for Barack Obama and Joe Biden."
And he put the blame for the 'incivility' that has marked this campaign squarely where it belongs: on the Republican party, with half of its base believing that the president of the United States was born overseas (and a good number who believe he was born here but is nonetheless "un-American"). "Though I often disagree with Republicans," he said, "I never learned to hate them the way the far right that now controls their party seems to hate President Obama and the Democrats." He added: "When times are tough, constant conflict may be good politics but in the real world, cooperation works better... Unfortunately, the faction that now dominates the Republican Party doesn't see it that way. They think government is the enemy, and compromise is weakness."
Throughout the lengthy address, the partisan crowd cheered wildly, breaking into several rounds of chants for "four more years!" Then, after Clinton wrapped it up, Barack Obama emerged from back stage and the two men embraced.
After the speech, Republican strategist Alex Castellanos said on CNN, "This convention is done. This will be the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama." That's unlikely - there are very few persuadable voters in this cycle, and convention speeches don't have the same impact that they did before the proliferation of online media, when families learned much about the candidates sitting in front of their television sets. But for political junkies who savor the art of oratory, it was a speech that will be remembered for a long time to come.
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This is a hard pill to swallow because I see how both parties are sold to the corporate powers but the D's seem to have just a little more understanding, reason & compassion on many levels versus the R's.
I sure wish they had a bunch of very young ladies in berets but it might have knocked Billy off of his game :)
I'm asking because all this "disappointment " about his right-wing Presidency seems to come from right-wingers pretending to be "disappointed".
I believe what we must do right now is get voters id, get them out to vote and start planning for 2016
We must move forward and upward, and it is going to take us all, and it is going to take our time to do it right. My grandparents came here to build their life, my parents wanted to make our lives better, now it is up to us to leave the future for ours.
Romney Ryan is for here and now....Money will not buy the future, hard work will.
Welcome aboard, thank you
What a speech!
They can bs all they want now but Clinton took the time, didn't lose the audience giving details.
Most people didn't read the Healthcare or any forums on it. Clinton put it out there so that the sheeple could understand...no Media Black out on that last night. Bravo
I think you are correct. What we saw was a Master in action. He explained so many things extremely well, and his satire really hit their mark squarely. There is nothing like intelligent wit to deflate windbags.
He took down, particularly, Ryan, who fancies himself quite the economist. Ryan and his lies were left broken and bleeding in the dirt.
Any independent voter with half a brain, got it I am sure. It was such a pleasure to see an expert in action.
I watched both conventions.... and there is simply no comparison. I know I am partial,
but the speeches this week were brilliant, and they had warmth and heart, and Clinton's ...a lot of wit.
Last week's speeches were shrill and nasty, and it was one l o n g tirade, about how everything was Obama's fault.
The speeches were downers all the way.
They stopped JUST short of accusing him of stealing the Lindberg baby.
Go OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 !! There is no other way to stay free.
I feel disgusted that that is the level of our intelligence.
Bravo Clinton. He is one of the best speakers out there. He looked very healthy also what a change from the Republicans
Best laugh line? ... "Arithmetic!"
I give you the profit based policy, of endless Wars, Waste, Banking, Fracking, GMO's, ever toxic (effectively) and non containable Nuclear Power and weapons (Fukushima is still going folks, and what ARE we doing to ensure future safety, oops...,) and the reduction of the global commons of nature, to $$ or individual ownership, and ultimately into lifeless, badly made and non repairable products, and wastelands of toxic landfills.
I support neither party of insane "crooks," and would suggest that we ALL get off our collective overly entitled consumer behinds, and begin being and living in a conservation based society and preserve something for a healthy or livable future. Nature cares little what our stupid rules and laws are, as it crumbles around us in crisis.
We (mostly) all just hop in and turn the key folks, as we consume and spew along, to all of our global, ever important events, and few of us seem to even know our neighbors, or care much for each other.......
Profit based policy is exactly what we need to survive. Whether you are a republican or a democrat. What you do with those profits is an entirely different matter. If you take those profits and put them into health care or education--or other places that might benefit society as a whole then what is the sin in making a profit? If it is profit for profit's sake...then we are back to the Randian philosophy. I do not agree with fracking or any of the things you mentioned but without any of things you mentioned, there would be no society. Okay you don't like the democrats. Do you really like the deregulating republicans more. Or are you merely an anarchist in an environmentalis t's clothing trying to foment an out-of-touch viewpoint?
Real profit is in healthy environments, and strong communities, human AND otherwise. Most of what we consider to be "profits" are little more than the rape and destruction of the commons of nature, and leaving lifeless wastes behind.
Anarchist, no, not really, but neither am I blind to our place in Nature.
Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Too many short sighted fools focused on the almighty $, allowing corporate nonsense, and policy which is not in the interests of anything's future health.
Oops. We are on a sinking ship folks. Do we choose to fix it, or continue ignoring the real underlying issues?
It's all about Nature, and natural systems folks, and ignoring that IS leading to disaster.
Money is worthless. Try farming near Fukushima, or drinking some water from a frack well. Bury your heads, work away, pay the interest to the bankers and drive on into oblivion.
We need real change. Yes, WE can? We shall see. Most of what I see is lip service and hype, on sale now, on all the channels.
Second, you seem to have a liberal mainstream misunderstandin g of anarchism as well. Anarchists are opposed to coercive hierarchies and illegitimate authority. They are not anti-government , anti-business, or anti-organizati on. Cooperative networks of bioregional consensus governance using steady-state economics would be perfectly in line with anarchist thought. Like most of the status quo, you seem to take joy in intentionally confusing anarchy with nihilism. Since cooperative networks are actually the organizing principle of life, the anarchist's viewpoint is much more in touch with reality than _anything_ on the political radar today.
Why should we not be saying that health care is not a business, not a commodity and should not be run for profits. The same should be said regarding education.
To say that a "profit based policy" is exactly what we need to survive" could easily be said by a conservative republican regarding the need to privatize everything from schools to prisons etc.
A "profit based policy" is a Ranian philosophy no matter how you try and sugar coat it.
The answer is to reject "profit" as the basis for running our economy in the first place.
Profit based policy is exactly what we need to extinct ..
USA is bankrupt both financially and morally by militaristic debt - maximizing profit at any cost.
As I've mentioned several times, to a wise person, enough is as good as a feast. To those who want to make a 'killing,' there will never be enough. If one took all the money in the world, and divided it between the 1% and their ilk, there still wouldn't be enough, and they would be thinking of ways to get what everyone else had.
When amassing a fortune is the bottom line, people and the environment will eventually suffer. We are close to the point where a lot of people are already suffering, and there is more to come.
For those who oppose abortion, what is more rational - to limit the number of people to the amount of resources available, or allow children to be born and then die of starvation and/or dehydration? As I understand it, 36,000 children die everyday of starvation/dehydration.
The bull may not be in our immediate china shop, but it is on its way. By the time the 'normal' person realizes what's happening, it may be too late. (rephrase of Barry Commoner)
Taking apart Romney is no great accomplishment. It doesn't take someone with the oratorical skills of Clinton.
A five year old could do it.
Romney is a liar alright, but not a very good one.
Too transparent and easily seen through.
Obama is a shoe-in for re-election
http://antemedius.com/content/obama-shoe-2012-re-election
The two party con job is the biggest lie there is.
Is that your real goal?
"More of the same" everyday, business as usual, politics, policy, and thinking, for or "buy" either and all parties, is nothing less than continued b.s. and the destruction of most any future worth living in.
Yes, WE can.... (how is that for the ultimate bs line of hot air n fluff sold and packaged in the last erection 4 years agoo) What do, and are we choosing? more of the usual b.s. or ?? The choice IS ours. What will the future say about our choices, providing we survive....... and things do not look good environmentally . All life is supported by the commons of nature, not by $ or economic development, nor by trading living environments for products. How do we live WITHIN the laws of nature, and not as if nature were infinite, inexhaustible, and belonging to humans. We ARE terrible stewards, and it is beyond time to change, and choose differently.
What are you doing ?
He's trying to wake you up.
But it's not working, apparently...
I'm having a hard time seeing how any of that will help.
As Barkingcarpet says, Obama may be the best we can get at this point in time, but there are far better running on third party tickets. And letting Obama know we are far from happy with his policies is necessary. And broadcasting the positions and poling on all candidates in future elections so that the electorate can see the viability of all the candidates could move our country back to a rational democracy.
Pro life and pro death penalty that one always kills me lol.
We need to do better. Nature IS tanking, regardless of what we think or feel, and greenwashing or business as usual is just disaster in progress.
Spin has spun, too much professing fluff, and too little substance, with zero accountability. $ profit seems to be all folks care about, and well, good luck with the wishful thinking. What is the overall profit in creating and leaving wastelands in our wake?
I don't believe in 2008 when Obama became president, he saw this. I think Obama in 2012 does, but he has the very tricky job of trying to figure out how prepare for afterwards while still getting elected. Romney is clueless.
Obama's job is seemingly simple (and like all seemingly simple jobs requires a great deal of balancing and hard work): transition from a corrupt, broken system to a working one, without collapsing the system entirely. In the end, he'll probably not be completely successful - I think the steady-state bio-region idea mentioned above is where we'll end up over time, but that time is measured in half-century intervals.
1) got rid of Glass-Steagal and appointed (larry summers) or reappointed (alan greenspan) the folks that deregulated the financial industry which brought on the financial crisis
2) "ended welfare as we know it" that threw tons of folks off the roles
3) who mainly "created" low-wage non-union jobs while supporting "free trade" agreements that fueled US corporate outsourcing
4) promoted the sanctions against Iraq that killed at least 500,000 children; a "price" that was "worth it" according to his Secretary of State (madeline not-so algright)
5) to deflect attention from his first sex scandal (jennifer flowers) went home to arkansas to preside over the execution of a man so mentally retarted that even the "law and order" conservative republican prosecutor said should not be executed (not to mention the bombing of baby formula factories or using international weapons inspecters as spies).
7) Sanctioned (through CIA involvement) the illegal military coup/overthrow of the democratically elected President of Haiti (Aristide) and, in more recent times, as the defacto president of Haiti has promoted more low-wage sweat shop type "industrial zones" in haiti as his "econonomic development" plan
So, it's one thing to praise the speach but at least remember from whom it comes and what he actually did as Pres.
lol...never thought about it that way...
i don't mind the thumbs down but i have no patience for the thumbs down with no comment to know what the thumbs down was for...that's the only way to have a discussion but clearly these folks are not interested in talking to anyone other than themselves or those that agree with them 100%.
Kiwikid, i hear ya though i don't think it is mean spirited to discuss Clinton's actual record nor do i believe that it is ever bad timing to do so. if it were done to say "see there's no difference between the dems and the repubs" or use this in some way to say don't vote for Obama (though i do believe in "stragtegic voting" in states like NY or Cal. where we could vote for a progressive alternative to try and build some leverage over the dems without risking throwing the state to the repubs)...but i never said any such thing... i was merely saying that while i thought it was a good speach we should remember from whom it came and what his actual record was. Don't think this is mean-spirited or that there is ever a "bad time" to keep all of these guys accountable for their actions.
Nah!
You folks are just opposed to facts and put a thumbs down to anything that is rational.
Us folks are just waiting for you to present us with some facts which make it ok to elect romney.
A fair question:
1) Glass-Steagal was repealed in 1994 while Clinton was Pres. and he had to sign it for it to go into effect.
2)here is one non-partisan analysis of the effects of Clinton's "welfare reform"
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3019
3)here is two analyses of US wages/job creation but there are many, many others
http://www.dlc.org/documents/Atkinson_bookchapter_0705.pdf
http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/~wright/ASA%20presentation%20--%20Globalization%20&%20work%20panel%20--%20final%20version.pdf
4)the number of 500,000 children killed as a result of the sanctions comes from a report issued by the United Nations Childrens Fund
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/072100-03.htm
5) here is wikipedia's summary (there are many other articles on this one) about Clinton presiding over the execution of Ricky Ray Rector.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Ray_Rector
6) As for the 1st coup that overthrew President Aristide see:
http://www.tanbou.com/2001/fall/EconomicTerrorismReport.htm
there are many, many more articles and sources on the coup, Aristide, Haiti and the US role.
I'm hardly "quagmired" in the 90s or any other decade. But, when someone (anyone) says something i think it's important to know who its coming from and what that person actually stands for and does. given all of the uncritical praise for clinton that preceded my comments i thought it appropriate to point out some things about his record. Don't think having a sense of history (as opposed to the typical US state of historical amnesia) means one is "quagmired" in the past.
The Republicans aren't stonewalling. They are providing cover for Obama to do to this country what the shrub couldn't get away with.
1. You're joking right?! June 2, 1987, President Reagan nominated Greenspan as chairman of the Federal Reserve. He was also appointed by G.H.W. Bush and G.W. Bush, but it is Clinton whom you blame for Greenspan's policies (BTW Greenspan was an Ayn Rand devotee, a la the current Repub ticket, so if you want to distance yourself from that, vote Obama!)
2. The The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA) was a cornerstone of the Republican Contract with America and was introduced by Rep. E. Clay Shaw, Jr. (R-FL-22) the law had strong support of the US Chamber of Commerce. While it was signed into law by Clinton, Republicans pushed for it. IF you are BLAMING Clinton, better take a look at your Republican ticket, because they have doubled down on bad policy.
3. Unfortunately, as a 'centrist', he did push for NAFTA and other international trade agreements, and convinced enough Democrats to pass same (again, Repubs were already fully on board, so WHAT is your point?)
cont'd.
2) Same goes for the repeal of Welfare (something which Robert Reich, who seems to be so beloved by so many on this board) quit over
3) I see nothing "centrist" in Nafta (we now rail against Romney for having overseas bank accounts but don't critique clinton's "free trade" policies that have fueled all of the outsourcing of american jobs?), welfare reform, the sanctions in Iraq, the coup against Aristide, the draconian crack drug laws, etc.,
It is a real problem that sinc the dems as a whole have moved so far to the right (compared with "old school" liberals) that clinton is now the "new normal" and is called a "centrist"
4. On Aug. 2, 1990, in response to Iraq's invasion and annexation of Kuwait, the United Nations Security Council passed Resolution 661, imposing comprehensive multilateral international sanctions on Iraq. They were enforced under the G.H.W. Bush and Clinton Administrations . The choice was not Clinton's, but under his presidency the US did abide by the sanctions (as we did under Bush 1)
5. "so mentally retarted" (sic) (hello pot, this is kettle calling) No, Ricky Ray Rector was NOT RETARDED. After he shot and injured 2 people and murdered a third, he agreed to turn himself in to Officer Robert Martin, whom he had known since childhood. When Martin went to get Rector, he 1st spoke with Rector's mother, greeted Rector and turned to finish the conversation with Rector's mother at which time Rector shot Martin 2 times in the back. He then put his own gun to his head and shot himself, performing a self-inflicted lobotomy. Thus, when he committed the crime he was fully aware of what he was doing, it was his failed suicide that caused brain damage thus under the more recent Supreme Court ruling banning execution of someone of limited mental capacity, Rector would likely still be subject to the death penalty as any limitations did not pre-exist the crime.
7. Aristide took office in February 2001, it was G.W. Bush who aided his overthrow!
5) great, you got me in a typo...if what you say is correct than why did the conservative republican prosecutor say that this man should not be executed precisely because he was so mentally retarded?
6) do another google search about Aristide and Haiti. You are correct, there was a coup, a second coup, against Aristide in 2001 but the first one (Aristide was President twice) was in 1991 while Clinton was in office and much has come out over the years about the role of the CIA in this one.
I can also add that he decreased the amount of Financial Aid students qualified for. He helped cut student grants which in turn forced many of us to rely more and sometimes exclusively on student loans. This wound up leaving a generation of us relying more on debt.
It seems you all on the christian right say how much you want our government to follow the laws of the Constitution and yet you don't want to follow it when it comes to leaving your religion out of politics !Get over it !
Our God references in our currency were from the red scare of the 1930s. And the only reference to God in the Constitution is in reference to government not respecting any religion. That means, BY DEFINITION, that religion has no place in government.
Since there is no universal religion, there is no way to involve religion in government without infringing on the religious freedom of anyone who disagrees.
I have no problem with anyone having an opinion. I have a problem with people who believe an opinion to be a fact, when they can't prove it.
Another problem I have is that you want your opinion to govern everyone else in the country. You want your opinion to be more important than other opinions, and you want power over any opinions that differ from yours. What exactly does that say about you?
What you consider a fact is the point where you and your kind have stopped asking questions. My guess is it's more comfortable for you that way. It beats thinking, and for people with your dogmatic approach to life, thinking can be uncomfortable.
And, of course, you believe that because "all your friends think the same, you think you've won." (from a song I wrote.)
One thing that is mostly impossible for zealots to say is "I might be wrong." I would extend that to most of the ultra- Republican party. Trouble is, when you get one party or group of people acting like they are God's chosen, it invites everyone they come into contact with, to act the same way. That's how vicious circles get started.
Because your beliefs are merely opinions, it would help to drop the arrogance, and add the words "I might be wrong" to your vocabulary. I could be wrong about the arrogance, but I doubt it.
not only did they put god "back in" the platform but also that Jerusalem is to be the "undivided" capital of Israel...so much for progress.
I've heard that when gays come out of the closet, and tell the truth, a lot of the pressure on them to keep things secret is gone. It's an A.A. quote that goes "Not keeping secrets is the same as telling the truth."
I keep wondering if Obama is keeping secrets, and, if so, what are they, and what is being used to make him keep those secrets.
There are two ways of lying - commission and ommission; they out-right lie, and the not telling the whole truth. I know Romney and Ryan are committing lies. I wonder if Obama is ommitting information.
Both ways are used to control responses. Is one worse than the other? Are their mitigating factors?
As I mentioned in another post, I believe in this idea: only cowards lie. It is the fear behind the lie that determines the eventual outcomes.
What, and who, and how many, are behind the curtain?
"The Republican argument, said Clinton, is essentially: 'we left him a total mess. But he hasn't cleaned it up fast enough so fire him and put us back in.' Then Clinton turned to the real problem with the Romney-Ryan plan: 'arithmetic.' "
Actually, i think the "dark ages" have been "misnamed" (and given a bad rap) and in fact was a period (between the fall of the roman empire and the cementing of the Church's control and the rise of the feudal nation states) in which more people had more control over their own lives (and their time) than at any time before or since. Most people still lived off "the commons" and were self-sufficient . They were not yet forced into wage slavery after the enclosure laws threw them off their land nor were they yet subject to the absolute control of the church (and the powers of the Inquisition) nor the state.
Its an arrogant,strang e and twisted mind set and the Demos are (for the most part)the complete oposite.
The Repugs offer me deprivation and death - the Demos hope and a chance.
Guess which one I choose?
Kudos too to the MSNBC team -- they are the best of the absolute best INCLUDING even the conservative analysis of Steve Schmidt. Twer conservatives like he remenicinet of a time I could talk to a Republican. It is hard to do that now. I was MESMERIZED by the convention. Thank you Democratic Party for NOT letting us down.
Work for and Re-elect the president and of course the great Elizabeth Warren for US Senate from Massachusetts!
I actually expected a bunch of RSN purer- lefty-than-thou -nay-sayers but nobody can say the Big Billy-Bob C' claimed to be lily-white.
I'm well aware of the fact that he glided conveniently over some his policy shortcomings ("We moved millions off welfare into work" or words to that effect a.k.a. "We dismantled a large part of the safety net for the poor and disadvantaged") , didn't even touch on NAFTA and GATT (or SHAFTA and SHATT) and even gave Dimwits some ill-deserved credit for going to Haiti with him -but thankfully, turned back the destruction of the economy to the heart of where it belonged.
There was other somewhat contradictory stuff but even so, my wife and I were riveted and impressed by the fact-filled departures from the teleprompter and the fluency of delivery of stark facts seeming off the cuff and embellished with a good deal of factual extemporization , delivered with a sense of sly humor but carefully controlled passion.
He could sell popsicles to Inuits for sure!
One very disappointing missing element from what seemed like a very "Rainbow" audience and speakers, was no mention of the plight of the Native Peoples, still the poorest and with the shortest life span in the country, nor did I see any American Indians in the camera shots but I didn't watch the entire MSNBC coverage except for the principal speakers. Anybody else think of this?
"no reason to dis clinton"? One can say that it was a good speach and even that we need to vote for Obama so that we don't get Romney/Ryan but that should in no way excuse either historical amnesia or out and out revionism to try and "reinvent" bill clinton and turn him into the president or the politician he never was.
Actually, if y'all READ my post carefully, I wasn't "dissing" Billy-Bob -quite the opposite: I wish I had his powers of oratory. I was predicting some nay-sayers which was herein fulfilled, whilst pointing out some fairly egregious points that he glided over.I'm probably a lot farther left than most Americans. I just don't get to vote as I'm not a US citizen (but I am still involved vocally and in print as they take my taxes) but I DO advocate for Obama, especially with the only unthinkable alternative being the hate-filled (as B.C. stated) party of "NO!" And not just for the US's sake but for the planet's.
Sorry y'all picked me up wrong but what the Hell, a few "thumbs-down" never hurt anybody and will teach me put my points out more clearly in future.
like crazed wild dogs! What they are saying about Sister Campbell and Sandra Fluke is simply evil.
When comparing the two conventions I have to say that Republicans had their lie fest. I'm reminded of a saying. "When you lie you steal a persons right to deal with the truth." Republicans are thieves and have no regard for truth or rights. Their words and legislative actions prove that.
I think most of the time, liars tell themselves that others really do not want to hear the truth, and so, as I read it once, they "rationalize their phoniness into nobility."
Not only do we need people to speak the truth, we need people who want to hear it. The Republican crowd apparently doesn't want to hear the whole truth, just the part that supports thier agendas and opinions. As an earlier article said, blind, unquestioning obedience is a problem for everyone but the 1% and other Republican leaders.
two/thirds of Americans are fat, stupid and triggerhappy.
They love fastfood and "Gladiator" and
are ready to buy all the Clinton sugar-
coating.
Why didn´t we hear Bill dismantling
drones
kill list
tar sand pipeline
Arctic drilling
violation of 1st amendment
fracking
taxcut for the rich?
This commentary is written by the
biggest Obama supporter in the world in 2008, but not this time, we need a totally new system with no money in
politics.
And who ever is going to pour
water out of their ears in the next days
of convention speeches, please don´t use
the phrase "American Dream".
In it´s essence it means that if YOU are
greedy and ruthless enough, you can also start as a newspaperboy and end up a billionaire in Las Vegas with a pink mansion, a pink Cadillac and a hooker with big boobs.
As long as the gene of greed is more
dominant than the gene of compassion
America is going down the drains, whoever
wins.
Until citizens begin to unite in common cause as was the case in the Progressive era and see the moral imperative for action no political rhetoric-even a speech as great as Clinton's will not matter if it is not accompanied by action. I would urge my fellow Americans to not sit this election out! Knock on doors,register voters,get out and vote.
Let's begin to take our democracy back from the few. It has been done before and we must do it again!
Only the most delusional of commentators have panned this speech. Brit Hume even said it was a great speech. Seriously.
But reality is quite different - most of the Obama wars are conceived at Clinton's AIPAC ruled Clinton Foundation (www.kycbs.net/AIPAC.htm)
And economy? - Clinton leaves out the abrupt downward turn the economy took near the end of his own second term and the role his policies played in the setting the stage for the historic financial meltdown of 2008.
USA is bankrupted by militarism - both economically and morally - this is reality. War/bombing against Iraq continued under Clinton - cheerleaders please educate yourself - search.
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...in April 2011, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, chaired by Democrat Carl Levin, after a two-year inquiry, issued a fat report detailing several transactions, including Goldman's Abacus deal, that Levin and his staff believed should be investigated by Justice as possible crimes.
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Meanwhile, Obama's political operation continued to ask Wall Street for campaign money. A curious pattern developed. A Newsweek examination of campaign finance records shows that, in the weeks before and after last year's scathing Senate report, several Goldman executives and their families made large donations to Obama's Victory Fund and related entities, some of them maxing out at the highest individual donation allowed, $35,800, even though 2011 was an electoral off-year. Some of these executives were giving to Obama for the first time.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/05/06/why-can-t-obama-bring-wall-street-to-justice.html
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
- George Santayana (1863-1952)
Perpetual war. Rampant unemployment and under-employmen t. Environmental degradation. Self-interested corporatists run amok.
The difficult times America now faces, though challenging, are hardly new.
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The New Progressive Alliance (NPA) will endorse only those candidates who publicly sign the Unified Progressive Platform, which combines the ideals of four present-day and two foundational Progressive organizations. Any candidate or elected official who fails to uphold these tenets will be just as publicly exposed as a fraud and will lose the Alliance's support.
This is politics as our nation's Founders envisioned it: The people telling their public servants what they expect, and the public servants doggedly fighting for the people's interests - not those of corporate benefactors.
New Progressive Alliance: UNIFIED PROGRESSIVE PLATFORM
-> http://newprogs.org/unified-progressive-platform-ratified
This could even have been done with tax credits thus avoiding any outlay of money from the fed.
It would have restored the value behind the CDO mortgage backed securities that wall street got themselves into so much trouble with, and thus saved Wall Street while tremendously boosting the consumer driven economy, as the money would have gone directly to the mortgage holding banks while at the same time effectively doubling the amount of bailout money by lifting a enormous debt weight from all those homeowners who would then have had an equivalent amount of disposable funds to spend any way they chose.
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Candidate Barack Obama campaigned for the restoration of Glass-Steagall, and then put in place all the same people who'd destroyed it. He'd been made an insider.
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It was the same pattern Obama followed in every department: Where he didn't leave Bush's people in charge he brought back Clinton's. Anything to be an insider.
-- http://antemedius.com/content/reminder-wall-streets-mercenaries-ride-donkeys
We now enter a very dangerous period in the lead up to the 2012 presidential election.
If Obama is not re-elected, and people don't work towards returning workable majorities in the House and the Senate to the Democrats, then the country only continues its decline, and all will be lost.
It may be the end of a two century great social experiment unequaled in human history.
Returning the Democratic Party to the glory days of house and senate control that it had until Obama and the party were unable to convince enough people that their batsh*t crazy drive for bipartisanship with batsh*t crazy republicans was the only way to go, is the only way to go. There is no other reasonable way to go.
There were huge socially progressive strides made towards thinking about gradually thinking about progressively moving forward by Obama and the Democratic Party during that time, and the only thing holding them back is that not enough people clapped loudly enough.
MORE:
Keep On Rockin' In The Free World: Give Obama and the Dems Some Credit For A Change
http://antemedius.com/content/keep-rockin-free-world-give-obama-and-dems-some-credit-change
One would hope that emulating republicans is not the best that Democrats and Obama supporters have to offer now....
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It is not Obama's fault that even though he promised transparency there are still some people who are still unable to see through him.
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[In July 2011] At a press conference held by members of the House Out of Poverty Caucus Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich), the second most senior member of the U.S. House, was pointed in his criticism of the White House regarding jobs and cuts to Social Security the President put on the table last week.
“We’ve got to educate the American people at the same time we educate the President of the United States. The Republicans, Speaker Boehner or Majority Leader Cantor did not call for Social Security cuts in the budget deal. The President of the United States called for that,” Conyers, who has served in the House since 1965, said. “My response to him is to mass thousands of people in front of the White House to protest this,” Conyers said strongly.
http://antemedius.com/content/it-not-obamas-fault
does that make the Obama/Rolling Stones analogy from the same album...you can't always get what you want?
BUT Romney and Ryan have convinced me their election would be a disaster.. perhaps one that we could not recover from.
what i would suggest to the "progressives" here at least is that if they vote for Obama, they find a way to be a real force in the Democratic party in the future. this seems to me it would involve some hard work... not just feel-good emoting.
i am not optimistic. if RandR win, we may have the fight of our lives on our hands, and we will need to get along with Democrats... but we cant afford to be taken for granted by them in the future either.
There has to be some way to make people understand or point out how Democratic politicians still have to in some way integrate with an imperfect and to large extent system run by the elite, and in some or many cases a hostile to the people elite.
for example bill clinton signed economic deregulation after making a deal with alan greenspan that he would keep interest rates low to foster economic growth ... that got out of hand.
with this situation it is impossible for the people to do anything about politics because we never know or can react to what is going on now, it is always 8 year later we find out.
the significance of dropping glass-steagal and other things was lost on most of the public - until recently.
our politicians and the media are not doing their jobs, because if and when they are private and keep things from us it make them richer, stronger and more powerful.
the founders had checks and balances for a lot of things, but really nothing for this .... maybe we need something now.
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This is what Eugene Debs referred to a century ago, when he declared he would rather cast a meaningful vote for what did want, and not get it, than a fake and hollow one for what he didn't want, and get that.
And so, a hundred years later, the game is still the game. If we want our votes to have any meaning, it's time to reject the fake choices between the two corporate parties. It's time to wise up, to grow up and like adults, to take a view longer than dessert, or the next two or three elections
How To Waste Your Vote In 2012
by Bruce A. Dixon,
Managing Editor, Black Agenda Report, 01/18/2012
-- http://blackagendareport.com/content/how-waste-your-vote-2012
who are showing up for life.
What is more positive than trying to consume as little as possible, or to leave a living/sustaina ble planet behind for future life?
What we have now IS insane, and serves few and little. Vain glory and battling beliefs along with more import being given to image than to substance or truth are the norm, and appear to be of more value than love, kindness, or ethical behavior. Just look at the mess we are leaving in our wake, and take a look in your own weekly trash can of what you consume, and the pile of lifeless goo remaining. This IS our lovely system, and it is a failure. We are terrible stewards, and it IS up to us. We are choosing, through our ignorance, apathy, and knee jerk actions. It is always easier to sit back, and wait for someone else to offer an easy fix, or to sweep the mess behind some other country.....
Oops. We seem to have a big mess to clean up, and it's gonna take a LOT of love, and forgiveness
Of the other Big Lie employed by the Romney-Ryan campaign, Clinton said, "When Congressman Ryan looked into that TV camera and attacked President Obama's Medicare savings as 'the biggest, coldest power play,' I did not know whether to laugh or cry." He noted that the Ryan plan featured the same "cuts" - they aren't cuts in Medicare benefits - that Obama enacted and Romney called a "raid" on Medicare, and added, "it takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."
Calling out Ryan for ONE of his many lies. I have to say one thing. Ryan can look you in the eye and lie to you without batting an eye. Damn those Republicans have gotten so good in that area.
Anybody Clinton supports has GOT to be a wrong number.
sj
And, what was it exactly that Clinton did "for the people". Its one thing to say we have to vote for Obama because the alternative is truly frightening. But that doesn't mean we have to delude ourselves as to who he is or what he has done (or not done) and the same goes for clinton who just on economic issues deregulated the financial industry and fueled the outsourcing of jobs through NAFTA and other free trade agreements and "created" mostly low-wage non-union jobs at home. So, correct me if i'm wrong here but what exactly did Clinton do "for the people" (certainly it wasn't for the people of Haiti given our role in overthrowing their democratically elected president)?
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