Ellen writes: "Reading about the case of Shafilea Ahmed, the 17-year-old Warrington girl murdered by her parents in front of her siblings for being 'too westernized,' there was much to contemplate."
Shafilea Ahmed was murdered by her parents at 17. (photo: unknown)
Shafilea Ahmed's Death Was Not the Fault of Liberal Lefties
05 Aug 12
As Iftikhar and Farzana Ahmed were sentenced, there was a feeling that their crime happened because of a cult of political correctness.
eading about the case of Shafilea Ahmed, the 17-year-old Warrington girl murdered by her parents in front of her siblings for being "too westernised", there was much to contemplate: the jarring oxymoron of the phrase "honour killings", which, to their credit, the police refused to use; the astounding courage, indeed the honour, of Shafilea's sister in standing alone and telling the truth about the murder; the despair of Shafilea, who drank bleach to avoid a forced marriage, but still slipped through the net of social services.
There was another strange aspect of the story, a sidebar in the scheme of things, but gathering force as Iftikhar and Farzana Ahmed were sentenced. It amounted to an open season on liberal-bashing: the overwhelming consensus that a culture of political correctness, liberalism, leftie cultural squeamishness, call it what you will, was largely to blame. That this kind of thing only happens because people are too scared of offending other cultures to confront such problems as forced marriage, "ownership" of females, and other embedded misogynies. That this is where slavish PC tolerance gets us: girls such as Shafilea Ahmed are betrayed. What dangerous, foolish nonsense.
Do people seriously believe that tolerance towards other races and cultures is a "problem", equal to, or worse, say, than intolerance towards other races and cultures? In fact, I'm confused: where is this liberal-leftie sensibility that's so often cited and attacked, this blinkered ideology that's so far up its own right-on backside, so anxious not to cause offence, that it finds it acceptable to leave young girls such as Shafilea in danger? Does it exist or is it just a convenient myth?
In truth, Shafilea's plight was beyond real or imagined uber-liberal sensibilities. Shafilea was abused, beaten, imprisoned, abducted and, in the end, murdered. Her situation was exacerbated by mistakes and communication breakdowns between the few lifelines she had. Such as the acceptance of Shafilea's claim (in the presence of her father) that everything was fine, even after her previous appeals for help, and the swallowing of the bleach. This failure wasn't about some misguided PC wish not to offend Islam, or anything else, it was about incompetence, pure and simple: the collapse of a system of care, leading to a young girl falling through the cracks.
No one is saying that there aren't walls of silences, communities closing ranks and abuses of the system. (The Ahmeds claimed racism when they were challenged.) These are difficulties faced by organisations that try to help girls and women such as Shafilea. However, it's absurd to claim, as it so often is, that liberal-minded people, not just from Britain, but anywhere, would blindly condone cruelty, misogyny and murder, just because they spring from another culture.
I would have thought that the liberal-left, if you wish to label them, tend to be flexible and open minded, the types who'd at least try to understand the pros and cons of different cultures and who'd be supportive of those needing help. In Shafilea's case, their attitudes might be best reflected in the summing up of the judge, Mr Justice Roderick Evans, who spoke scathingly of the Ahmeds attempting to bring up their children "in Pakistan in Warrington".
In his summing up, he gave an intelligent, thorough understanding of the Ahmeds' motives, but which in no way excused them - how "liberal" can you get? If anything, it's the other rigidly intolerant extreme (the "Go home if you don't like it" brigade) who shy away from the "otherness" of other cultures, as too different and difficult to fathom, thus leaving the likes of Shafilea isolated and vulnerable. Indeed, while political correctness is the most pathetically easy of targets, it is lazy and inaccurate to blame it for the tragic death of Shafilea Ahmed. Liberal bashing has no place here.
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When rejected on "Settlement risk" grounds no end of do-0gooders argue with migration agencies a sad but true fact of life.
possible to prevent the culturally based murders.
For some reason, most men are CLUELESS where women are concerned. They think all women are alike, like boxes of cornflakes in a grocery store; the boxes on the outside each look a little different, but all of them contain cornflakes; or so the thinking goes.
It never ceases to amaze me when boys growing up want to know all about girls, they go to other boys for their information instead of sitting down and talking it over with the girls. I guess they avoid talking with the girls because it's easier to objectify girls when trying to get uncommitted sex and other ego strokes.
I still say, the only way to deal with such provincial thinking is to educate through planned programs; they can start with anger management and self control classes.***
Our culture, the culure these folks have decided to adopt for whatever reason, must take steps to maintain OUR culture...and forced marriage and owning women register as only a form of cultural corruption in America.
You don't want to abide...keep doing it and got to prison.
Thing is, you cannae make the assumption that this has got anything to do wi' Islam, This act is as Un-Islamic as you can get, and I cannae stress this enough.. THIS HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WI' ISLAM, AND EVERYTHING TO DO WI' THE GIRL'S FATHER BEING A BLOODY CONTROL FREAK!!!!
That's bollocks - honor killings are haram and have no place in Islam - you're just spouting anti-Islamic rhetoric!
The good professor was at great lengths to explain the distinct between Islam and how it was adapted by he tribal communities it spread into. "Honor killings" are relcts of that pre-Islamic past. Xtianity is much the same, the differences between Catholic xtianity and protestant have as much to do with residual values from pre-xtian cultures as it does with any reforms by Martin Luther. The Alps are a cultural divide as well as a religious one.
IT'S NOT ISLAMIC AT ALL - IT'S PRE-ISLAMIC CULTURE WHICH SOME PEOPLE HAVE NOT LET GO OF....
Just making the claim that is is the right wingers not liberals who "punish with heavy hands" is "bigoted... and wrong", yet you do not see.
Small, narrow, sad.
Maybe it would have been better to say that there needs to be an amalgam of the two different cultures in a way that allows individuals to express themselves positively in society.
The problem for these murderous parents was more than simply that their daughter had become “too westernized.” They were afraid that she would be unmarriageable, that no man would want her, and would be left on their hands to support. They would be criticized for not being able to control their daughters — for not maintaining the patriarchal objectives.
Another example of patriarchal cruelty toward women is the practice of female genital mutilation that takes place in some communities in Africa.
Another is the practice of not treating the rape of women here in this country as a serious crime. Thousands of rape kits sit in storage areas in police quarters while the evidence to arrest the rapists can be found in those kits. When cases are brought before juries, the jurors tend to believe the men when they say that it was consensual sex.
Patriarchy is a very powerful force all over the world.
We do in fact coddle & enable BRUTALITY against women, by NOT STAMPING IT OUT. Serve notice NOW: ZERO TOLERANCE
We should not allow it to be used as a defense for ANY FORM of discrimination against women, including "their" women. Absolute Zero Tolerance for ANY systematic unequal, discriminatory treatment of females. Conditions would improve OVERNIGHT. People don't want to be deported or imprisoned. ZERO tolerance. SEVERE crackdown. IMMEDIATELY; THERE ISN'T A LIFE TO WASTE.
"walking next to ...." - don't you mean "a few steps behind him"?
Religious reasons to stifle the rights of individuals to live as they wish, cannot be tolerated. Some of these cultures think they own their children and do with them what they want, they should be informed that that is not the case.
To blame any of what happened to this beautiful girl on liberals is like saying the earth is the moon and vise versa.
Such murders are motivated by dishonor, done dishonorably, and they yield eternal dishonor for the parents and community. Honor has no contact with such killings at any point.
Therefore we should call them "dishonor killings"; a name better fitting to the facts and to our own society's sense of honor.
I think the reason we have the war on women in America these days is because we have accepted so many foreign peoples in who live in their own enclaves and bring these archaic attitudes with them. We need to stop this.
Women are half the human race, are equal but different, and have a right to be who and what they themselves want to be and not some narrow-minded male who can't think or see beyond the end of his myopic nose. Good parents give their children roots to grow by and wings to fly.
The churches have always been female oppressors and are the underpinnings for societal conspiracy against women.
Men want free services and unfair leverage over females. It's in their best interests to keep women at home scrubbing, cooking and providing sexual service with no say in the governance of their own lives.
It would be one thing if men performed their office as parent with wisdom and kindness, but what happened to this girl is more often than not the way of things and her father should be jailed a year for every year of her life he cheated her out of living.
The tragedy of this murder takes place in other forms amongst us every day, not only amongst immigrants, but amongst white Americans and Europeans who indoctrinate their children into absolute religious belief, who teach them to be racist, to carry guns...
We need to distinguish between the wide range of those who actually have friends and acquaintances amongst people of other races and religions and those who perhaps mean well, but are unable to understand the complexities of multi-cultural life.
I guess you are advocating for retroactive abortions : "But how can we force people to obey our laws when we allow the abortion of unwanted babies before birth..." or perhaps you know of a another way to abort babies AFTER birth! lol Also It's amazing that a supreme court decision does the killing instead of or in place of people! lol Massager 2002, try massaging your brain to get more oxygen to it! lol
It has been happening since man invented religion, and it will continue to happen as long as people believe in superstition and myth.
spenel334 a liberal lefty
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