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Ellen writes: "Reading about the case of Shafilea Ahmed, the 17-year-old Warrington girl murdered by her parents in front of her siblings for being 'too westernized,' there was much to contemplate."

Shafilea Ahmed was murdered by her parents at 17. (photo: unknown)
Shafilea Ahmed was murdered by her parents at 17. (photo: unknown)



Shafilea Ahmed's Death Was Not the Fault of Liberal Lefties

By Barbara Ellen, The Observer UK

05 Aug 12

 

As Iftikhar and Farzana Ahmed were sentenced, there was a feeling that their crime happened because of a cult of political correctness.

eading about the case of Shafilea Ahmed, the 17-year-old Warrington girl murdered by her parents in front of her siblings for being "too westernised", there was much to contemplate: the jarring oxymoron of the phrase "honour killings", which, to their credit, the police refused to use; the astounding courage, indeed the honour, of Shafilea's sister in standing alone and telling the truth about the murder; the despair of Shafilea, who drank bleach to avoid a forced marriage, but still slipped through the net of social services.

There was another strange aspect of the story, a sidebar in the scheme of things, but gathering force as Iftikhar and Farzana Ahmed were sentenced. It amounted to an open season on liberal-bashing: the overwhelming consensus that a culture of political correctness, liberalism, leftie cultural squeamishness, call it what you will, was largely to blame. That this kind of thing only happens because people are too scared of offending other cultures to confront such problems as forced marriage, "ownership" of females, and other embedded misogynies. That this is where slavish PC tolerance gets us: girls such as Shafilea Ahmed are betrayed. What dangerous, foolish nonsense.

Do people seriously believe that tolerance towards other races and cultures is a "problem", equal to, or worse, say, than intolerance towards other races and cultures? In fact, I'm confused: where is this liberal-leftie sensibility that's so often cited and attacked, this blinkered ideology that's so far up its own right-on backside, so anxious not to cause offence, that it finds it acceptable to leave young girls such as Shafilea in danger? Does it exist or is it just a convenient myth?

In truth, Shafilea's plight was beyond real or imagined uber-liberal sensibilities. Shafilea was abused, beaten, imprisoned, abducted and, in the end, murdered. Her situation was exacerbated by mistakes and communication breakdowns between the few lifelines she had. Such as the acceptance of Shafilea's claim (in the presence of her father) that everything was fine, even after her previous appeals for help, and the swallowing of the bleach. This failure wasn't about some misguided PC wish not to offend Islam, or anything else, it was about incompetence, pure and simple: the collapse of a system of care, leading to a young girl falling through the cracks.

No one is saying that there aren't walls of silences, communities closing ranks and abuses of the system. (The Ahmeds claimed racism when they were challenged.) These are difficulties faced by organisations that try to help girls and women such as Shafilea. However, it's absurd to claim, as it so often is, that liberal-minded people, not just from Britain, but anywhere, would blindly condone cruelty, misogyny and murder, just because they spring from another culture.

I would have thought that the liberal-left, if you wish to label them, tend to be flexible and open minded, the types who'd at least try to understand the pros and cons of different cultures and who'd be supportive of those needing help. In Shafilea's case, their attitudes might be best reflected in the summing up of the judge, Mr Justice Roderick Evans, who spoke scathingly of the Ahmeds attempting to bring up their children "in Pakistan in Warrington".

In his summing up, he gave an intelligent, thorough understanding of the Ahmeds' motives, but which in no way excused them - how "liberal" can you get? If anything, it's the other rigidly intolerant extreme (the "Go home if you don't like it" brigade) who shy away from the "otherness" of other cultures, as too different and difficult to fathom, thus leaving the likes of Shafilea isolated and vulnerable. Indeed, while political correctness is the most pathetically easy of targets, it is lazy and inaccurate to blame it for the tragic death of Shafilea Ahmed. Liberal bashing has no place here.

 

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+64 # yaramaz 2012-08-05 13:58
Excellent article. We have the same issues here across "the pond."
 
 
+8 # Rob Carter 2012-08-05 17:32
It is one of the things Immigration try to assess in Australia so I assume USA same. They reject some claimants as "Settlement risk" that would apply to such poarents before entry.

When rejected on "Settlement risk" grounds no end of do-0gooders argue with migration agencies a sad but true fact of life.
 
 
+9 # mangel 2012-08-05 18:30
Even "settlement risks" should be accepted into the immigration country and for humanitarian reasons. At least it would
possible to prevent the culturally based murders.
 
 
+14 # ProfessorJack 2012-08-05 13:59
Murder of willful children? Yes, that is "too different to tolerate.". Life in prison, OK. Deportation, better.
 
 
+12 # Johnny 2012-08-05 16:56
Okay to punish murderers, but better to let them go scot-free by sending them abroad?
 
 
+1 # ProfessorJack 2012-08-07 10:14
From the standpoint of immigrant Pakistanis, getting kicked out and returned to Pakisistan is hardly scot-free. Perhaps a more impactful form of public education. When authorities investigate these "arranged marriages," they often find crass daughter-sellin g at the bottom of the deal. A few high profile deportations would get the word out.
 
 
-23 # DrEvel1 2012-08-05 17:51
Decapitation, best.
 
 
+10 # WestWinds 2012-08-05 21:32
That's another form of getting away. Better to make them do service to the female they wronged, like community service, and make them go to classes where they learn to take on the responsibility for what they have done and also take into consideration the feelings of these girls and their wives. These types of horrors happen when males are pumped full of their own omnipotents.

For some reason, most men are CLUELESS where women are concerned. They think all women are alike, like boxes of cornflakes in a grocery store; the boxes on the outside each look a little different, but all of them contain cornflakes; or so the thinking goes.

It never ceases to amaze me when boys growing up want to know all about girls, they go to other boys for their information instead of sitting down and talking it over with the girls. I guess they avoid talking with the girls because it's easier to objectify girls when trying to get uncommitted sex and other ego strokes.

I still say, the only way to deal with such provincial thinking is to educate through planned programs; they can start with anger management and self control classes.***
 
 
+40 # paulrevere 2012-08-05 13:59
Whatever the origins and sustenance that their so called 'cult of honor' may be, it is in the same category as laws against polygamy.

Our culture, the culure these folks have decided to adopt for whatever reason, must take steps to maintain OUR culture...and forced marriage and owning women register as only a form of cultural corruption in America.

You don't want to abide...keep doing it and got to prison.
 
 
+33 # JCool 2012-08-05 15:45
It is not only in Islamic families where girls are abused, beaten and their lives a misery from their family. There was an American judge just "outed" by his daughter and he beat her again and again for playing video games on the computer. This was only one scenario but had she not finally broken, she may herself not be living to tell her story.
 
 
+93 # Barbara K 2012-08-05 14:02
The girls of this religion should be entitled to all the protections any other girl is accorded. Religion should have no part of it. She should have been removed from the home, just as any other girl would have been. She was really let down, and that is so sad. The very people who should have been protecting her, were her killers. I hope her parents are in prison for life with no parole. What a waste of a beautiful young girl. She should have been allowed to grow up and have her own family. I hope no others are so let down. There is no honor in killing your children.
 
 
+32 # Akeel1701 2012-08-05 15:54
Quoting Barbara K:
The girls of this religion should be entitled to all the protections any other girl is accorded. Religion should have no part of it. She should have been removed from the home, just as any other girl would have been. She was really let down, and that is so sad. The very people who should have been protecting her, were her killers. I hope her parents are in prison for life with no parole. What a waste of a beautiful young girl. She should have been allowed to grow up and have her own family. I hope no others are so let down. There is no honor in killing your children.


Thing is, you cannae make the assumption that this has got anything to do wi' Islam, This act is as Un-Islamic as you can get, and I cannae stress this enough.. THIS HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WI' ISLAM, AND EVERYTHING TO DO WI' THE GIRL'S FATHER BEING A BLOODY CONTROL FREAK!!!!
 
 
+10 # Kiwikid 2012-08-05 18:50
That is the problem! It has everything to do with the religion. This is where we liberals are 'too scared' to speak out. Rather than sheeting the responsibility where it belongs, we try to deflect with the delusion that Islam is a religion of peace. It is not. 'Honour' killings are indemic to Islam. Where you have Islam, you have 'honour' killings. Bring on the red thumbs and prove me right!
 
 
+4 # Rick Levy 2012-08-05 21:42
As a"liberal lefty" I couldn't agree more. Many progressives stumble over themselves advocating tolerance of multiculturalis m,no matter how extreme the practices of Muslim societies.
 
 
+6 # Akeel1701 2012-08-06 00:51
Quoting Kiwikid:
That is the problem! It has everything to do with the religion. This is where we liberals are 'too scared' to speak out. Rather than sheeting the responsibility where it belongs, we try to deflect with the delusion that Islam is a religion of peace. It is not. 'Honour' killings are indemic to Islam. Where you have Islam, you have 'honour' killings. Bring on the red thumbs and prove me right!


That's bollocks - honor killings are haram and have no place in Islam - you're just spouting anti-Islamic rhetoric!
 
 
+6 # bmiluski 2012-08-06 07:57
And yet............ they kill and then use Islam as justification.
 
 
+9 # kelly 2012-08-06 11:02
So do most radicals. I'll bet the guy who killed the Sikhs in WI this weekend would use religion as justification for that too. So let's paint all Christians with the same broad brush, shall we. Extremists are extremists. I suppose with his 9/11 tattoo on his arm, he felt it was an honor killing.
 
 
+6 # Capn Canard 2012-08-06 11:47
kelly, to the best of my knowledge Wade Michael Page, the killer of Sikhs in WI, did so because of 9-11(though we don't have all the facts as yet). But any way you look at it, this Wade Michael Page was an idiot. Sikhism is offshoot of Hinduism and not Islamic at all. So it is not surprising that the shooter was infinitely stupid. See where ignorance can get you? But all religions(and atheism too!) are susceptible to insane aberrant behaviors unrelated to what they allegedly profess.
 
 
+3 # kelly 2012-08-06 12:43
He did so out of a form of extremism. He is a bigot and a follower of the same man who wrote the Turner Diaries. My point is, that bmiluski seems inclined to paint all muslims with a broad brush, indicating that they would justify killing with following religious beliefs. I would put to him that there are as many killings carried out by those who consider themselves "Christian soldiers" as there are radical moslems. If you read the lyrics of his songs and saw the reports on Page, you might agree.
 
 
+2 # Duster 2012-08-06 23:35
More of less true but overstated. I had to take a class in African Studies back in the day. It was taught by an Egyptian woman, a muslim, who was teaching in the US becaause her husband didn't want to take the financial hit that Islamic law would levy on him. She reckoned he would kill her if he could.

The good professor was at great lengths to explain the distinct between Islam and how it was adapted by he tribal communities it spread into. "Honor killings" are relcts of that pre-Islamic past. Xtianity is much the same, the differences between Catholic xtianity and protestant have as much to do with residual values from pre-xtian cultures as it does with any reforms by Martin Luther. The Alps are a cultural divide as well as a religious one.
 
 
0 # hobbesian 2012-08-07 18:56
Geographical, too. Very lucky.
 
 
+1 # bmiluski 2012-08-07 10:04
I absolutely agree with you. Men have used religion to justify EVERYTHING. It could have been Christianity, however, in this case it happens to be Islam. 'll bet that if you did a survey, you'd find, in this day and age,that there are more honor killings in the Islamic countries then in Christian ones. It's a know fact that honor killings are more prevelent in countries where women are treated as 2nd class citizens. Unfortunately, most of those countries are Islamic.
 
 
+2 # Regina 2012-08-06 13:40
But all this rabid rifleman had to see was a few women wearing headscarves. With his one degree of vision, that mean Muslims. Note: That in no way justifies his rampage, but he was impervious to any contradiction of his preformed prejudices.
 
 
+3 # JohnMayer 2012-08-06 21:00
So, you are an authority on Islam. I think not, but, of course, that doesn’t stop your pronouncing on its practices. There is nothing in the Quran that encourages or even permits honor killing; it is a cultural thing rather than a religious thing, not unlike the burning and disfiguration of women with insufficient dowries in India. Such brutality against women IS endorsed, though, in the Old Testament. “According to University of Toronto professor of women's studies Shahrzad Mojab, followers of Hinduism, Islam, Judaism and Christianity have used their religions as a rationale to commit honour killings. She said that honor killings don't have "any definite connection with religion at all", and that honor killing had been practised before any major religion came into existence.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
 
 
+7 # Johnny 2012-08-05 16:53
Nor in killing anybody else's children.
 
 
+64 # dyannne 2012-08-05 14:07
Absolutely right, Ms. Ellen, It's the right wingers who cleave to old ways, family traditions even when they are bigoted, racist, and wrong. It's not liberals who tend to punish with heavy hands. When I hear of these sorts of Islamic attitudes, I liken them to the American Taliban.
 
 
+21 # Akeel1701 2012-08-05 15:54
Quoting dyannne:
Absolutely right, Ms. Ellen, It's the right wingers who cleave to old ways, family traditions even when they are bigoted, racist, and wrong. It's not liberals who tend to punish with heavy hands. When I hear of these sorts of Islamic attitudes, I liken them to the American Taliban.



IT'S NOT ISLAMIC AT ALL - IT'S PRE-ISLAMIC CULTURE WHICH SOME PEOPLE HAVE NOT LET GO OF....
 
 
+20 # Texas Aggie 2012-08-05 18:03
I think that is pretty much what she is saying. The Taliban is an example of preIslamic culture as are other sects within "Islam." Thinking Wahhabism here, or rather what it has become. The American Taliban, aka Tealiban, follows the same rules although they came by them independently.
 
 
+6 # bmiluski 2012-08-06 08:04
It's more than "some". When a whole country calls itself Islamic and allows honor killings to be praised and go unpunished. Supports laws that ban women, from voting, leaving the house unescorted, learning how to read and write, etc. Then its more than "SOME" and since it is happening as we speak then it's NOT pre-Islamic but on-going.
 
 
-1 # tref 2012-08-06 21:57
I am appalled that such misguided statements get 59 thumbs up.

Just making the claim that is is the right wingers not liberals who "punish with heavy hands" is "bigoted... and wrong", yet you do not see.

Small, narrow, sad.
 
 
+46 # Abigail 2012-08-05 14:13
When people of other cultures come willingly to the US, one assumes they are doing so because they feel our way of life is more tolerable than the one they are abandoning. It is hypercritical of them to cherry-pick what facets they will accept. I grew up in a Christian neighborhood, with about four or five Jewish families nearby. We did not celebrate the Christian holidays, nor did we expect them to celebrate ours. (the later attempts to amalgamate the two by implementing the term "Hannakah bush" came much later.) Our Christian neighbors accepted our difference as we accepted theirs. When as young adults, some of us on either side renounced our birth-religion, there were many attempts to counsel us, but not coerce us. Other cultures coming to the US should be counselled about the possibility of conflicts, and helped to work out ways of overcoming them.
 
 
+5 # Texas Aggie 2012-08-05 18:07
Stop and think a second. On one hand you say that it is hypercritical (sic) to cherry pick what facets they will accept, and then you go and talk about how you did just that.

Maybe it would have been better to say that there needs to be an amalgam of the two different cultures in a way that allows individuals to express themselves positively in society.
 
 
+10 # RLF 2012-08-06 03:47
Maybe it is most important that, if you want religion, you make sure it is one that is not so rigid it destroys the lives of other people...that seems very like devil worship in disguise. And that goes for you born agains too!
 
 
+1 # kelly 2012-08-06 11:04
I thought this took place in GB not in the US, Abigail.
 
 
+33 # mjc 2012-08-05 14:56
The very sad understanding that Shafilea's parent did not accept is that young people often have an ability to look at differences...i n culture, religion or dress, without the hardened prejudices of an older generation, even one's parents. Too many of our highly touted virtues such as loyalty or devout religious practice are hardened by some other dispute and hate and then becomes too hardened emotionally in the older generation. Wars are great hardeners but the seeming isolation of an ethnic group in another culture contributes too.
 
 
+51 # Mainiac 2012-08-05 16:11
This situation reveals an aspect of Islam that is present in other religions. It is patriarchy, the subordination of women. The attempt to control women’s lives here in this country through denial of contraceptive devices and abortion is an example of patriarchy here.

The problem for these murderous parents was more than simply that their daughter had become “too westernized.” They were afraid that she would be unmarriageable, that no man would want her, and would be left on their hands to support. They would be criticized for not being able to control their daughters — for not maintaining the patriarchal objectives.
Another example of patriarchal cruelty toward women is the practice of female genital mutilation that takes place in some communities in Africa.
Another is the practice of not treating the rape of women here in this country as a serious crime. Thousands of rape kits sit in storage areas in police quarters while the evidence to arrest the rapists can be found in those kits. When cases are brought before juries, the jurors tend to believe the men when they say that it was consensual sex.
Patriarchy is a very powerful force all over the world.
 
 
+33 # dick 2012-08-05 16:30
Some unthinking "diversity" groupies may in fact enable brutality, but it is not a flaw in "liberalism", which seeks to defend gender equality. Cases like this should be used in an unrelenting, no holds barred, full throttle, Europe wide, assault on religious (& cultural) zealotry, especially that which victimizes.
We do in fact coddle & enable BRUTALITY against women, by NOT STAMPING IT OUT. Serve notice NOW: ZERO TOLERANCE
 
 
+29 # dick 2012-08-05 16:48
We would not allow religion to be used as a defense for slavery.
We should not allow it to be used as a defense for ANY FORM of discrimination against women, including "their" women. Absolute Zero Tolerance for ANY systematic unequal, discriminatory treatment of females. Conditions would improve OVERNIGHT. People don't want to be deported or imprisoned. ZERO tolerance. SEVERE crackdown. IMMEDIATELY; THERE ISN'T A LIFE TO WASTE.
 
 
+17 # Johnny 2012-08-05 16:51
Only people brainwashed by Zionist propaganda think such "honor killings" have anything to do with Islam. They are the product of a culture that anybody who has read Herotodus knows prevailed in North Africa and Southwest Asia at least a thousand years before Mohammed lived. In it, women were regarded as property, and among many primitive people, Muslim, Christian, and Jewish alike, they still are. What is despicable is the attempt to turn the horror of killing girls into propaganda to foment a general hatred of Islam, so that the "superior" people of England and the U.S.will continue to tolerate their governments' role in the mass murder of girls, boys, men, and women in Palestine by the Zionists. Hypocrisy, no? Justice would require a general policy of severely punishing the murderers of children wherever it occurs, and whatever the religion of the killers.
 
 
+2 # Majikman 2012-08-05 18:58
Well said indeed.
 
 
+1 # gzuckier 2012-08-05 21:13
Only people brainwashed by antisemitic propaganda use phrases like "Only people brainwashed by Zionist propaganda "
 
 
+8 # bmiluski 2012-08-06 08:10
Nope, not buying it. The very fact that men and women are seperated while in a mosque (any mosque) tells me that the belief that women are inferior is alive and well in the Islamic religion.
 
 
+1 # bmiluski 2012-08-07 10:11
I am not a zionist, nor a christian, nor anything. I am an observer. What I see is women being told that in order to fit into their society, they MUST wear head scarfs, be fully covered at all time 90 degree weather or not, while walking next to a man in shorts and a t-shirt. This inequality is just a short step to the legitimization of honor killings. A women raped is punished, not the man.
 
 
0 # hobbesian 2012-08-07 19:00
Quoting bmiluski:
I am not a zionist, nor a christian, nor anything. I am an observer. What I see is women being told that in order to fit into their society, they MUST wear head scarfs, be fully covered at all time 90 degree weather or not, while walking next to a man in shorts and a t-shirt. This inequality is just a short step to the legitimization of honor killings. A women raped is punished, not the man.

"walking next to ...." - don't you mean "a few steps behind him"?
 
 
+17 # kathiemm 2012-08-05 17:11
I agree with those who suggest it is a mistake to blame Islam or liberalism for this tragedy. The blame lies with patriarchy on the one hand and inadequate support for and training in the social services on the other hand.
 
 
+14 # dick 2012-08-05 18:18
Religion commonly adopts & reinforces traditions. They do not have to "originate" with a particular religion for it to bear responsibility. DENYING that Islam is often used to reinforce misogyny (see Satanic Verses, etc.) is MADNESS. DENYING that Judaism is used today to reinforce misogyny in Israel is MADNESS. That is not Zionist propaganda. Cavemen brutalized women before the Inquisition, but that doesn't take religious stake burners off the hook. Why the dishonest defense of hundreds of millions of religious practitioners?
 
 
+6 # bmiluski 2012-08-06 08:14
Actually, cavemen DID NOT brutilize women. There was a degree of mutual respect for one another. Women were the tribal healers. It wasn't until religion was invented that men used it to supress anyone that they feared. And they feared women most.
 
 
+3 # PABLO DIABLO 2012-08-05 18:36
And now, get ready for the anniversary of Hiroshima.
 
 
+12 # unitedwestand 2012-08-05 19:32
People can practice their religious beliefs as they want and accorded by the Constitution, BUT, laws prohibiting certain cultural norms need to be enforced. This is where the SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE is really valuable.

Religious reasons to stifle the rights of individuals to live as they wish, cannot be tolerated. Some of these cultures think they own their children and do with them what they want, they should be informed that that is not the case.

To blame any of what happened to this beautiful girl on liberals is like saying the earth is the moon and vise versa.
 
 
+6 # paradoctor 2012-08-05 20:57
I recommend that we drop the phrase "honor killings" and replace it with the phrase "dishonor killings".

Such murders are motivated by dishonor, done dishonorably, and they yield eternal dishonor for the parents and community. Honor has no contact with such killings at any point.

Therefore we should call them "dishonor killings"; a name better fitting to the facts and to our own society's sense of honor.
 
 
+2 # gzuckier 2012-08-05 21:12
Because in the US, nobody ever kills their kids, except Muslims, right?
 
 
+1 # bmiluski 2012-08-06 08:15
But we are not talking about "others". This article is about a pair of Muslim parents that decided to kill their child.
 
 
+2 # WestWinds 2012-08-05 21:20
Parents need to stop thinking of their children as possessions or property. What happened to this girl is the result of seriously provincial thinking.

I think the reason we have the war on women in America these days is because we have accepted so many foreign peoples in who live in their own enclaves and bring these archaic attitudes with them. We need to stop this.

Women are half the human race, are equal but different, and have a right to be who and what they themselves want to be and not some narrow-minded male who can't think or see beyond the end of his myopic nose. Good parents give their children roots to grow by and wings to fly.

The churches have always been female oppressors and are the underpinnings for societal conspiracy against women.

Men want free services and unfair leverage over females. It's in their best interests to keep women at home scrubbing, cooking and providing sexual service with no say in the governance of their own lives.

It would be one thing if men performed their office as parent with wisdom and kindness, but what happened to this girl is more often than not the way of things and her father should be jailed a year for every year of her life he cheated her out of living.
 
 
+5 # Artemis 2012-08-06 02:16
We all bear equal responsibility. This article, like much of the horribly-termed "liberal leftie" thinking, is just not good enough. If confuses the issue to defend the mistakes that well-intentione d (white) people make. When one speaks to men and women of common-sense, secular and religious, who speak the language of their adopted home fluently and are able to move fluidly between the culture of their origin and the culture in which they live, they often demand much less 'pseudo-liberal ism'. Some of them, in particular women, feel as I do that it is unacceptable after more than a hundred years of struggling for emancipation and equal rights that we should allow immigrants and second-, even third-generatio n citizens of our countries to pursue certain beliefs and religious practices that disregard our own laws, are discriminatory, and in many cases isolate women in a state of quasi-slavery, and then tell ourselves we are respecting their culture and religion.
The tragedy of this murder takes place in other forms amongst us every day, not only amongst immigrants, but amongst white Americans and Europeans who indoctrinate their children into absolute religious belief, who teach them to be racist, to carry guns...
We need to distinguish between the wide range of those who actually have friends and acquaintances amongst people of other races and religions and those who perhaps mean well, but are unable to understand the complexities of multi-cultural life.
 
 
+5 # cordleycoit 2012-08-06 04:06
Sorry but I do not hear of Honor killings among the Methodists. There is something wrong with Blood Atonement, like it is like murder. But murder by Mormon or murder by Muslim killing ones children is despicable and cannot be excused with the neo liberal "It's custom." Murder is unnatural.
 
 
+5 # bmiluski 2012-08-06 08:21
I truly believe that these sort of murders are going to continue to happen as long as we accept the custom of women wearing that stupid rag on their head and that awful sack on their body in 90 plus degree weather while their "men" walk around in shorts and t-shirts. All in the name of modesty.......w hatever the h*ll that means.
 
 
+1 # tref 2012-08-06 22:11
I do not care about the clothing per se but absolutely yes to the discrimination that forces a British or American woman to physically suffer in the name of modesty while her male counterpart is free to parade around immodestly in comfortable clothing.
 
 
+4 # SBader 2012-08-06 09:55
I lived in the UK from 1962 to 72. There were a large number of Muslim Pakistanis, later divided into Bangladeshi and Pakistani. They were doing their best to adapt to a British identity. They were called WOGS and insulted and beat up and threatened with Rivers of Blood. Naturally the generation after them retreated to a traditional cultural setting and now the third generation suffer these atrocities. It wasn't Liberals doing the Paki bashing.
 
 
+1 # mdhome 2012-08-06 10:37
You come to live in my country, you WILL obey the laws of my country or pay a price. Pure shame to kill except in self defense when your life is in immanent danger.
 
 
0 # barbaratodish 2012-08-06 11:01
It is even worse than "...(A) cult of political correctness." It is A CULT of CULTURE! See: Drone "Identity" Is Self Validity Lite Be Absolute To Yourself Instead Of Relative To Yourself"
 
 
-14 # massager2002 2012-08-06 11:12
But how can we force people to obey our laws when we allow the abortion of unwanted babies before birth mandated by a Supreme Court decision that has killed millions of unborn children since 1972?? Hypocrisy is alive and well. Kill them in utero or out of the womb and to my way of thinking,there is really little difference...Bo th the preborn and the almost adult daughter should have their lives protected.
 
 
+4 # kelly 2012-08-06 11:48
That is off-subject. First off, we are talking about an incident in Great Britain not the U.S. Next, we are talking about the treatment of children by their parents. The article said nothing about unwanted pregnancies unless you are assuming that the child was pregnant. Of course, saying what you said about killing them in or out of the womb like that warms my heart because it shows me you are for Health Care.
 
 
+4 # bmiluski 2012-08-06 11:48
Sorry buddy, but this isn't the place for your rant.
 
 
0 # barbaratodish 2012-08-06 23:41
Quoting massager2002:
But how can we force people to obey our laws when we allow the abortion of unwanted babies before birth mandated by a Supreme Court decision that has killed millions of unborn children since 1972?? Hypocrisy is alive and well. Kill them in utero or out of the womb and to my way of thinking,there is really little difference...Both the preborn and the almost adult daughter should have their lives protected.

I guess you are advocating for retroactive abortions : "But how can we force people to obey our laws when we allow the abortion of unwanted babies before birth..." or perhaps you know of a another way to abort babies AFTER birth! lol Also It's amazing that a supreme court decision does the killing instead of or in place of people! lol Massager 2002, try massaging your brain to get more oxygen to it! lol
 
 
+7 # dkonstruction 2012-08-06 11:56
The problem with this piece is that it talks about "culture" (as far too many posters here do as well) as if it is monolithic. It isn't, and when it is presented this way it glosses over (if not out and out ignores) that there are many in these "cultures" that oppose such regressive practices. So, for example, there are women (and men....though mostly women for sure) that have been organizing in India against the immolation of female children or women in Africa who are organizing against (forced) genital mutilation. so, just as important as talking about such atrocities is talking about how it is not universally accepted in these cultures and there are those fighting against such practices. Only by talking about the indigenous resistance to such practices at the same time as talking about the practices themselves can we avoid labeling and stereotyping an entire culture which ultimately plays into and feeds the same kind of racist views that apparently led to the recent murder of 6 Sikh's in Wisconsin.
 
 
+1 # kelly 2012-08-06 13:53
Precisely.
 
 
0 # Evolouie 2012-08-07 07:06
These kinds of thing will continue to happen because it is part of their belief, their religion. Their religious leaders promote this in the name of some god.
It has been happening since man invented religion, and it will continue to happen as long as people believe in superstition and myth.
 
 
0 # jederfr7 2012-08-07 07:30
I guess catholic priests abusing children must be part of Catholicism and 30,000 deaths attributed to guns must be a Christian thing I am sure someone will use the bible to justify and blame it on the liberals. In the bible Abraham is willing to kill his son
 
 
0 # bmiluski 2012-08-07 10:18
NO.......the abuse of children and the 30,000 deaths can be attributed to MEN. Who will use ANYTHING to justify ANYTHING. Men invented religion as a form of control and power. And we women have been suffering/dying because of it ever since.
 
 
+2 # freelyb 2012-08-07 08:41
How old are Shafilea's siblings, and where are they right now?
 
 
+1 # kelly 2012-08-07 13:14
That is an excellent question.
 
 
0 # spenel334 2012-08-07 20:16
To anyone and everyone interested in Serphilia's tragedy, read the book Nomad, by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The author was born in Somalia,and lived also in Ethiopia, Kenya,and other countries, raised by devout Muslims. Hirsi Ali escaped to Holland after her father arranged for her to be married to a man she had never met, to eventually become a member of the Dutch parliament. Hirsi Ali now lives in the U.S., identifies herself as an atheist, and warns us that we accept people from the world over without encouraging them and finding ways to acquaint them with our ways of life, at out peril. She speaks out against the danger of having Muslims live their lives as if they were still in their country of origin. But read her book rather than my description of it, to get a sense of the life she lived in various Muslim countries and the conclusions she draws after getting a taste of freedom along, with the responsibility of forging a life for oneself.

spenel334 a liberal lefty
 

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