Erlanger writes: "How Socialist is Francois Hollande? And what does it mean to be a Socialist these days, anyway?"
French President Francois Hollande at the Elysee presidential Palace in Paris, 06/26/12. (photo: Getty Images)
What's a Socialist?
02 July 12
FRANCE has elected its first Socialist president since 1988 and then given the Socialist Party and its closest allies a whopping majority in Parliament. But how Socialist is François Hollande? And what does it mean to be a Socialist these days, anyway?
Not very much. Certainly nothing radical. In a sense, socialism was an ideology of the industrialized 19th century, a democratic Marxism, and it succeeded, even in (shh!) the United States. Socialism meant the emancipation of the working class and its transformation into the middle class; it championed social justice and a progressive tax system, and in that sense has largely done its job. As the industrialized working class gets smaller and smaller, socialism seems to have less and less to say.
Center-right parties have embraced or absorbed many of the ideas of socialism: trade unions, generous welfare benefits, some form of nationalized health care, even restrictions on carbon emissions. The right argues that it can manage all these programs more efficiently than the left, and some want to shrink them, but only on the fringes is there talk of actually dismantling the welfare state.
"As an ideologically based movement, socialism is no longer vital," says Joschka Fischer, who began his career on the far left and remains a prominent spokesman for the Green Party. "Today it's a combination of democracy, rule of law and the welfare state, and I'd say a vast majority of Europeans defend this - the British Tories can't touch the National Health Service without being beheaded."
Even in the United States, Mr. Fischer says, "you have a sort of welfare state, even if you don't want to admit it - you don't allow people to die on the street."
So why the prospect of "European socialism" is so frightening to some Americans puzzles Europeans, a mystery as deep as the American obsession with abortion or affection for the death penalty.
Daniel Cohn-Bendit, a leader of the student revolt of May 1968, known then as "Dany the Red," is now "Dany the Green," co-leader of the ecologist group in the European Parliament. "The fight between private property and state property is over," he says, and traditional class distinctions are blurred. "There was never a purely socialist working class," he suggested. "Socialism and social democracy today are about a society with more solidarity, more protection of people, more egalitarianism." In a way, he said, socialism is defined today mostly by its contrast to neo-liberalism - by more reliance on the state and higher taxes on the wealthy.
Bernard-Henri Lévy was criticized three years ago for saying that the French Socialist Party was not merely dying, but "already dead," a political alternative for those unhappy with Nicolas Sarkozy, then the president, but little more than a differently situated elite. France's "gauche caviar" - wealthy socialists like Dominique Strauss-Kahn or Jack Lang - were hardly revolutionary, but merely took their neckties off at lunch.
TODAY Mr. Lévy has not changed his views. "There are no more socialists - if they were honest they would change the name of the party," he told me. Socialism "evokes the nightmare of the Soviet Union, whose leaders named themselves socialists." Today, he maintains, European socialists are essentially like American Democrats - there has been no ideological left in France that matters since the effective demise of the Communist Party, which was "the true 'exception française.' "
In his book "Barbarism with a Human Face," translated into English as "Left in Dark Times: A Stand Against the New Barbarism," Mr. Lévy wrote: "I would dream of writing in a dictionary for the year 2000: 'Socialism, masculine noun, a cultural genre born in Paris in 1848, died in Paris in 1968.' "
But democratic socialism of the nonbarbaric kind has a long history in Europe, especially in France. Even today, delegates at the Socialist Party's summer meetings address one another as "Comrade," a gesture to the past for a party largely made up of academics and bureaucrats - in other words, state functionaries, of whom there are many in France. The French state represents 56.6 percent of gross domestic product, one of the highest figures in the Western world.
"Socialism here is very statist," says Marc-Olivier Padis, editor of the quarterly journal Esprit. The leading figures in the Socialist government are more creatures of the French establishment - elite schools and careers - than those under Mr. Sarkozy, he explained, "a combination reproducing the profile of Hollande himself." Mr. Sarkozy was more of an outlier than Mr. Hollande, and much closer to business.
Belief in the centrality of the state to run, regulate and innovate remains a core belief of French socialism, and the size of the state is hardly going to be reduced under Mr. Hollande, whose few concrete promises include hiring 60,000 more teachers over five years, raising the minimum wage (the highest in the European Union) and creating a state bank for innovation.
Alain-Gérard Slama, noting that Mr. Hollande won the presidency thanks to half of centrist voters and a third of far-right voters, all of whom detested Mr. Sarkozy, wrote in the newspaper Le Figaro that "the French don't do anything like anyone else - they'll give themselves a Socialist president, a Socialist Assembly, a Socialist Senate, Socialist regions, while, by a clear majority, they are not Socialist."
To be honest, who is anymore? "Is socialism really more than pragmatism?" Mr. Padis wonders. Mr. Lévy pointed out that the excitement around the far-left French presidential candidate, Jean-Luc Mélenchon, got hearts racing for a while. But the rabble-rousing Mr. Mélenchon did not do as well as many hoped (or feared). This month he was trounced for an Assembly seat by Marine Le Pen. "Some believed the French exception was undergoing a revival with Mélenchon," Mr. Lévy said. He then aptly quoted Marx's famous line about Louis Bonaparte, that "history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce."
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If anyone wants to know what socialism is, better to read WSWS.org , socialistworker .org , rdwolff.com (Socialist/neoM arxist), socialistworker .co.uk/ , and otherwise read what the socialist have to say (and expect to find variations and disagreements about things).
No, European socialists are not like American Democrats -- he's thinking if the current crop of socialist democrats, not democratic socialists. Most parties in Europe who call themselves socialists have sold out much of socialism, such as with supporting austerity -- they have gone significantly to the right and away from the rights of the people.
Reading someone from the NY Times write about socialism is like reading what Souther Baptists say about the scientific method and evolution.
Excellent comments and observations, particularly your last sentence.
..And if the GOP/TP had their way the Park System would privatize and disappear by way of the lumber industry....
Workers of the World, UNITE!
The propaganda has been very successful in that Americans don't have much of an education that is realistic in American history.
Socialists understand WHY an economy exists.
Capitalism simply means a political system that prioritizes interest of the individual and organized groups. (pro: choice of the individuals; con: individuals are not equally strengthened or equally powerful to make decision or act)
Communism simply means a political system that prioritizes interest of the state. (pro: can't argue with the state; con: can't argue with the state, plus the state is run by a clan of loyalist.
These are the simplest ways of understanding and differentiating these political systems. If you observe carefully, you will see that every country and every state has a bit of each system, except leaning towards one more than another. Of cause, these are the basic principles but they are all out applicable rules. So, let's simplify. The question now -- is Francois Hollande a good leader for France or not? Actually, that question has already been answered by the French people. They think he is. Europeans have other serious issue threatening their stability. Little countries are growing up around the world and they are running their own businesses (principles of excluded middle). This is the end of easy access to wealth... The new term of endearment is true love and we are watching it unfold. Empathy is next.
All of these are primarily economic systems, or about 'political economy' -- it's hard to separate politics form economics.
Capitalism is a system where the means of production are in private hands, not one that "prioritizes interest of the individual and organized groups", and is often very much against individuals and individual rights.
Don't just invent definitions -- there's been way too much of that. The words already mean things. Look these words up in wikipedia (for a start), which has good discussion about them and the history.
Since when?
I laught at this artical and in Australia we have folks writting into papers claiming we have a SOCIALIST government as though this was true.
Unfortunatly we havent had one since 1938.
To day what passes for a socialist is what used to pass as a tory dry wig,the whole system has moved to the right of center...Now the Left is were the right used to be. Sad the young ones don't know this and believe those who call for safty net SOCIALIST...min d I have meet a few of late but not in political parties.
I agree with you on that one Bluepilgrim as usual your spot on!
Also, the quote from the green party guy is very ill-informed. I live in london, the tories have finally forced through their bill to privatise the NHS, even though it wasn't on their manifesto and no-one (doctors, nurses, patients) wants it.!
"As an ideologically based movement, socialism is no longer vital," says Joschka Fischer, who began his career on the far left and remains a prominent spokesman for the Green Party. "Today it's a combination of democracy, rule of law and the welfare state, and I'd say a vast majority of Europeans defend this - the British Tories can't touch the National Health Service without being beheaded."
It is MY OBSERVATION that the MAJORITY of Unions members don't even know their Unions are based upon a SOCIALIST MODEL and they are SUPPORTING SOCIALISM ... not Capitalism.
Don't believe me? Ask Union members is they are Socialist and the majority will tell you they are not.
The MINORITY Of Democrats who are voicing the SOCIALIST MANTRA are those at the TOP OF THE ECONOMIC FOOD CHAIN who receive the monetary benefits. When you have more money in hand than you can spend.. why not go with the socialism model that TAKES OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY? THEREIN .. Lies the problem.
The real wake up call that SOCIALISM is leading to failure in the USA is the INABILITY to pay down the TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DEBT and the CONTINUING Democrat SPENDING BINGE OF OTHER People's money that goes on today .. with OBAMA-CARE a prime example.
Give people jobs, and you generate income for the PUBLIC FUND in which you can AFFORD SOCIAL PROGRAMS! Obama... and our Democrats who have been in charge since 2007 have led the USA into BANKRUPTCY!
The "economy" may need "imaginary funny money" to operate, but the personal profits of the oligarcs (ie Romney) is just derived by undue exploitation of an unjust system where Capitalism set up it's own Socialist system for itself. They wheel and deal in "digital dollars" not available to the rest of us.
This was a socialist bailout by the taxpayer for capitalists. Seems like the capitalist will spend not only their own money but feel entitled to everyone else’s money too.
Touché mon ami….
But capitalism has long privatized profits and nationalized expenses and externalities. For instance, they do research at government expense -- public expense -- but then keep all the returns and money made from that research. They make windfalls with the internet which developed by government, at taxpayer expense. Universities use public funds to research and then keep the returns or turn them over to corporations.
That isn't socialism, and the working people have to control over what happens with that. There is no central planning either -- it's chaos with every company making economic and financial decisions on it's own for only it's own profit and benefit, regardless of how it harms the public.
Strip away all of the self-serving nonsense from capitalist thought and you have Democratic Socialism.
Why don't people look this up, do a little research, and learn what this is about. They are already on the internet, and can at least access wikipedia, if not all the further sources.
Why do people just make up crap or lie? It does no one good and hurts the country and the people, even the rich people.
Labels have little meaning except to focus on theoretical Hatfield/McCoy divisions and fuel disputes and memories of ages when 'enlightened' intelligentsia argued with words instead of advertising dollars. Lies about neighbors were used to justify wars of conquest, imperialism and righteousness then, as now.
Fundamentally, all INDIVIDUAL humans 'seem' to prioritize improved living conditions including 'creature' comforts, health and welfare, peaceful coexistence and opportunity for growth and expansion of knowledge and understanding of our place in the universe. As GROUPS our species cannot seem to evolve beyond the 'fight or flight' competitiveness of exploitation, domination and hoarding of knowledge, power and resources that enable domination.
Inclined to FOLLOW, we seem to seek leaders who enhance the dream of defensive fear of 'otherness' rather than rewarding leadership inclined toward inclusiveness and progress. "Socialism", as a term describing collective interests, seems to be anathema to our more primitive instincts of distrust and fear.
Recall beloved man/God Jesus's Sermon on the Mount - feed and clothe the poor, seek justice and peace for all, etc.. Then remember the booting out of the temple of the money grabbers. Where's Jesus the Socialist when we need Him?
How about just compassion.
Fast forward about 1800 years, and we have Karl Marx telling us: "From each according to his ability; to each according to his need."
You can make many claims against Marx, but the only one that sticks is plagiarism!
2 Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ.
So "socialism has done its job" re the transformation of the working class into the middle class? Did Erlanger somehow miss the regression of the American middle class back into poverty? Economic inequality is higher now than it has been in nearly a century. "As the industrialized working class gets smaller and smaller, socialism seems to have less and less to say" is only true in the sense that working-class voices having been almost totally silenced in national debate.
Notions such as "social justice, a progressive tax system, trade unions, generous welfare benefits, nationalized health care, and restrictions on carbon emissions" are all anathema to the right in the U.S., though they may well have been accepted by the European right (considered "socialist" by the American right). "Only on the fringes is there talk of actually dismantling the welfare state"? Is Paul Ryan "on the fringe?
I can only assume that the whole article refers to Europe, not the U.S. The biggest tipoff is probably the assertion that "[we] don't allow people to die on the street." If Erlanger is talking about Europe, he should say so; if he somehow imagines that he has painted a picture of the U.S., he really needs to get out more.
Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich are about the the only rep's even close.
I heard in a local bar here on the Oregon Coast after Obama was elected "(He's) a Socialist, Fascist Communist"! Go figure!
(I've always put him in the Center-Rightist category, parallel to the lately deposed Nicloai Sarkozy).
And remember, those who are busiest shouting "freedom" and equating capitalism and imperialism with free enterprise, are those who will be first to restrict and remove the freedoms which still remain to us if they become obstacles to their relentless growth and profits.
I refer to myself as a "Small Business Socialist" and it never fails to get incredulous looks and comments where I live but it's also good for a chuckle at those who are incredulous, never failing to lead them to disappear up their own butt-holes, where their reasoning powers tend to reside, a bit like one or two who insist on posting and YELLING on RSN, who fail to recognize that the recipients of Corporate Socialism are hoarding and using OUR money.
It is a mumbo jumbo diatribe without any substantive basis.
It would have helped if the author had at lesst defined socilism, communism and capitalism.
This article is a total washout as far as this reader is concerned and should never have been on Reader Supported News.
Marx was a great fan of the social structure of the American Indians and thought that would be an deal society for his "scientific socialism". Using that as a guide; socialism would be a society in which all the assets of society belong to all members of that society in unison and all the benefits deriving from those assets benefit all members of society equally.
With that description, we find the only place in America practicing pure socialism is the state of Alaska. The state leases rights to the natural resources under state land--oil and natural gas--to private-sector firms and all the proceeds from those leases are disbursed yearly to all Alaskans. Love it so much they wrote that socialism into their state constitution. Lowest annual payment I found was $800 a person; highest above $2,000. Socialism has been a mainstay of Alaskan life since 1976 and they aren't about to change it no matter how loud they--or Sarah Palin--scream against evils of "socialism".
Same ol, same ol’. This November the same old centrists, by and large, will be reelected.
This discussion does not capture the fancy of the 60 million people lacking quality health insurance, or the unemployed, or those living in economic squalor. It is not, therefor, of interest to a majority of our society. Why? Because it is too highfalutin! Come down to Earth. Speak to the needs of those in need. That is how we build a movement!
And in the Novembers to come, throw the centrists, and everyone to the right of them the hell out of office. By doing so we’d be electing 450 new members to Congress. (Eighty five members of the current Congress are worthy of being re-elected.)
Socialism? Hell, let’s strive for democracy first and see how that works for us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Tq4VE8eHQ
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Chomsky on Socialism
Noam Chomsky responds to a caller's request for his thoughts on socialism, during a 2003 interview by Brian Lamb, for C-SPAN's "In Depth" program. He describes how socialism was equated with the Leninist model of the Soviet Union by both the USA and its allies on the one hand, and the USSR and its allies on the other
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More significant than trivial intellectual inquiry is the following subject or assignment. Conclusively establish whether total free enterprise has ever, much less ever will work as a form of governance. Historical research, i.e., evidence, shall be required. Make your paper short enough to be interesting but long enough to cover the subject.
All government is bad. All business is bad. Successful countries display a balance between the two. That's what I think right now. Convince me please of the rightness or wrongness of my view.
The power says America is democratic -- but that is rather far from the reality.
But yes, socialism does have a broad range of meanings and variations -- althugh no socialism is Nazism.
The lesson is that one can not appease vampires or capitalists; you have to bring authentic democracy into the workplace and cut off the supply of 'blood' to them so they are no longer in control of the politics and country. Otherwise it's like getting back the money a robber stole but leaving him with his blackjack and gun.
Most Americans would or do support social equality, when it comes down the praxis of socialism -- especially the youth, but they have been lied to, brainwashed, bamboozled, cowed, ignored, outspent, and dis-empowered.
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