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Pierce writes: "So, I was at the Netroots Nation thing on Thursday, hanging with the invaluable David Neiwert, who has spent years tracking and reporting on the activities of America's violent white-supremacist underground. 'Hey,' he said to me, 'what about that thing in Florida?'"

Mugshots of 10 alleged members of the neo-Nazi skinhead group American Front. (photo: CFNews13.com)
Mugshots of 10 alleged members of the neo-Nazi skinhead group American Front. (photo: CFNews13.com)



Terror by Another Name

By Charles Pierce, Esquire Magazine

10 June 12

 

o, I was at the Netroots Nation thing on Thursday, hanging with the invaluable David Neiwert, who has spent years tracking and reporting on the activities of America's violent white-supremacist underground. "Hey," he said to me, "what about that thing in Florida?"

"What thing in Florida?" I responded, demonstrating once again how very much on top of things I am. I knew Florida had Pensacola, which had a reputation for being the OK Corral, especially when it came to shooting abortion doctors, and that it was a place in which, if you shot an abortion doctor, a nice fella who later would host the morning show on liberal MSNBC would represent you in court. But that was the best I could do. No, Neiwert said, the thing that happened a couple of weeks ago.

Fine looking bunch of patriots, aren't they?

Is it necessary to point out ... oh, hell, of course it's necessary to point out that the rounding up of these people did not occasion the BREAKING NEWS graphic, or the shouty anchorpeople, or the thrilling theme music, or the thundering of a newly minted logo - TERROR IN OUR TOWN!!!!!!!! - and all the other set decoration unpacked by our news directors every time an undercover FBI dude convinces some shoeless loser that he can lead the international Jihad from the packing crate in which the fellow now spends the evening. It is very important to know who The Terrorists really are. It is important to keep people afraid only of the right people.

Oh, and there's more of this going on, too.

Somebody should cook up a logo right quick.

Of course, as the Los Angeles Times points out ...

The arrests serve as one of numerous reminders of the efforts of law enforcement to monitor, and sometimes crack down on, the militia and hate groups whose numbers have ticked up since the election of President Obama.

Geez, I just can't imagine why that would be the case.


(UPDATE - Thanks to the commenters for pointing out that my Florida geography was off, and I apologize to Dave for misquoting him, and to the assembled for typing in haste.)

 

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+26 # Mrcead 2012-06-10 16:29
Weren't there like 52 anti gov't militia groups that popped up months after Obama was elected? Why the poor coverage? On those pages you've posted, barely any real comments.
 
 
+22 # cordleycoit 2012-06-10 17:36
Skin heads generally back down and get away from their movement when they realize the goals of the their leadership (sex,drugs and obedience.) They often run out of gas in prison when they fail to provide protection, their reason for being. The press knows nothing except third hand stories from dubious sources who are generally misinformed.
 
 
+39 # dick 2012-06-10 18:12
Soon we'll hear that skinheads & neo-nazis are not motivated primarily by racism but by a vague sense that the nation & its budget are somehow adrift, that religion is losing its HOLD on young people (Jerry Sandusky for Pope), that Democrats don't really have a solid agenda, that healthcare for all is a Stalinist take-over plot, & that women & gay men are conspiring to render straight males obsolete. But it's NOT racism; it's conservative PHILOSOPHY & slightly misguided patriotism.
 
 
-22 # lnason@umassd.edu 2012-06-10 18:20
They look pretty bad but what crime did they commit? I did a google search and I could find no mention of any crime -- just citations of their plans and beliefs. Can thinking bad thoughts be considered a crime these days?

Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts
 
 
+53 # Texas Aggie 2012-06-10 19:31
They aren't being charged with thinking. They're being charged with planning, which means preparing to commit violence in this case. That most definitely is a crime, like buying a bunch of dynamite with the express purpose of blowing up someone's house. You don't have to set off the dynamite for it to be a crime.
 
 
+8 # RLF 2012-06-11 05:01
Should it be called a moron supremacist group? Maybe that is what they really have in common.
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-06-10 19:51
Someone caused their pain which turned into hate. These are faces of people. many of the real nazi types have cleaned up their images, some even ministers or so they say.

We all have hatred, the ones who justify it by harming others or animals just don't stop.
 
 
+34 # genierae 2012-06-10 20:55
No we don't "all have hatred", that is a projection from your experience. Many of us have learned to release our anger before it turns into hate, and it is possible for every one of us to turn away from violence. It is true that our human make-up is composed of both the positive and the negative, but it's also true that we have a choice about which one we focus on. Positive thinking lifts us up, and changes our lives for the better. Ask sincerely for light, and it will come.
 
 
+66 # olpossum 2012-06-10 20:22
I'd be really surprised if every single one of the terrorists, from McVeigh right through these slobs,without exception, were not a FOX devotee. Fox is the entity which sickens our doomed country, by working diligently at its mission of making people really angry - boiling mad - and keeping them angry. These people are working in the service of the evil to destroy the unions and the government, so there will be no protection for the common people in this country from predatory plutocrats and Wall Street, and, well, you know who they are. It's enough to make a grown man weep, what these butt-boys of the Koch brothers, et al, are doing to the country for whom good people have sacrificed. There's a war going on, and Fox is committing de facto treason. With a stable of vicious, conscience-free liars and someone low enough to put them at microphones, this is what you get.
 
 
+22 # mdhome 2012-06-11 05:56
olpossum, you are very correct and I do not understand why fox should not be charged with a hate crime.
 
 
+18 # Noni77 2012-06-10 20:34
There is a fine line between finding terrorists who originated a plan out of the blue to do harm and a sophisticated law enforcement plan and execution of that plan to provoke people of lesser intelligence and/or lesser education, sophistication, and economic means to turn their bluff and bluster into action they may never actually have taken without being encouraged - and most importantly, enabled in some cases by law officials providing weapons or explosives they could never possibly have procured on their own. Perhaps merely to drum up incidents to justify the further erosion of our rights and freedoms "to protect us"?
 
 
+7 # Glen 2012-06-11 05:51
My thoughts, exactly Noni, with the exception of the fine line - most often it is not a fine line, it is blatant entrapment that law enforcement or the FBI gets away with. It is a growing method of a "preemptive strike" against citizens.
 
 
+8 # Mrcead 2012-06-11 06:04
I agree with that. Most folks couldn't even get their hands on such materials without intervention. I don't believe in breaking the law or even walking that fine line to enforce it. People "want" to do things all of the time. Most - and this is no exaggeration, most people wouldn't go through with their hair brained schemes anyway. This just sets the stage for mission creep and the further erosion of our freedom. Too bad law enforcement cannot interpret statistics the other way - most people are law abiding citizens.
 
 
+6 # James38 2012-06-11 10:49
"Fine line"??? I am not in favor of entrapment, especially as it is often used to arrest people by the "Drug Warriors".

However, with a bunch of incipient terrorists, waiting for them to pull off an end run and get their own guns and explosives (Was Timothy McVeigh very "intelliegent") might be very risky.

Let me ask you, Noni, what would your reaction be if someone offered "out of the blue" to get you weapons and explosives? Would that turn you into a terrorist?

I suspect your answer would be a rather disdainful "Of course not." But your reality seems at least partly based on a level of education that this group of disenfranchised social cast-offs probably never had.
 
 
0 # Noni77 2012-06-13 22:38
Law enforcement, like the intelligence community uses trued and true psychological war concepts... I would not assume that quite a bit of effort was not made to weave a story to upset them, geared to their particular sensibilities, build them up into potential heros of sone cause, praise them for some or another "attribute" ( praise being something people like this are starved for), then a plan laud out for them to follow to glory. I don't know this happened, but I don't know it did not. If I were ever on a jury, I would certainly keep this in mind. The only eay to keep authority honest is to question it and require proof.
 
 
0 # tomtom 2012-06-13 09:18
Quoting Noni77:
There is a fine line between finding terrorists who originated a plan out of the blue to do harm and a sophisticated law enforcement plan and execution of that plan to provoke people of lesser intelligence and/or lesser education, sophistication, and economic means to turn their bluff and bluster into action they may never actually have taken without being encouraged - and most importantly, enabled in some cases by law officials providing weapons or explosives they could never possibly have procured on their own. Perhaps merely to drum up incidents to justify the further erosion of our rights and freedoms "to protect us"?


Yes, noni, I know a man in Texas who the DEA convinced him he should go to México and buy kilos of grass. They made it easy for him, they gave him the money, the van, the contact in México and the buyer, when he returned. It's, Actually, worst Than "Fast and Furious"
 
 
0 # Noni77 2012-06-13 22:30
That is unconscionable. The betrayal of such a sacred trust is right there with the very worst crime. The end does NOT ever justify the means. I'm so sorry for your friend. To become evil to fight evil is a losing proposition.
 
 
+5 # bluepilgrim 2012-06-11 00:05
You want to talk about terrorism? talk about the US government.

See
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2012/06/reflections-on-bestial-culture-ii-when.html

June 10, 2012
Reflections on a Bestial Culture (II): When the State Proclaims It Is Become Death
Part I: Reflections on a Bestial Culture, Ready and Eager for Slaughter
( http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2012/06/reflections-on-bestial-culture-ready.html )

[...]

Silber has a couple of other new posts too -- see http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/
 
 
0 # feloneouscat 2012-06-13 09:28
Not talking about the US Government, but the folks in Florida.
 
 
+6 # Bruce Gruber 2012-06-11 05:39
From Facebook:
Watching Joe's daily bullying tactics coupled with his right wing 'talking point' dog whistles is a jaw tiring and molar depleting exercise. Nonetheless, it seems necessary to stay alert to the correlations with Rush, Hannity, Savage, Boortz and the other book burning purveyors of 'individualism' as a means to keep humanity separate from concern for one another and subject to propaganda extolling testosterone enriched Aryan 'superiority'. Joe Six Pack is their heroic man and blood and gore on the racetrack is their draw. Collateral damage is the excuse for the mayhem their cute indifference creates.
 
 
+7 # wrodwell 2012-06-11 09:10
Man, those are a tough-looking bunch of white people. Maybe the authorities should relocate them to a Cripps or Bloods neighborhood. Then they could really show the world how tough they are.
 
 
+11 # CoyoteMan50 2012-06-11 09:27
Terrorism is wrapped in a flag and holds a cross!
 
 
-16 # Noni77 2012-06-11 09:58
Then why is it that the Christians alone are forbidden to show or speak any aspect of their religion in public? In colonial days, the Bible was used as the main literature with which to teach reading in many areas of the country. Jefferson even rewrote a form of the Bible to use to teach the Indians about "white culture". Why is it Vladimir Lenin said that teaching atheism is a necessary tactic in turning a strong, moral country into one which abandons religion and its moral compass, and therefore then ready to be subverted in a Socialist take-over? And why did Lenin say that indeed, freedom was a precious commodity - THEREFORE it must be "carefully rationed" (to keep as a perk for the ruling elite)? And why did the Founding Fathers warn that as a nation we should be diligent in teaching our own origins and history so that foreign ideas could not take root in the naïve and unaware and undermine their birthright? I guarantee you, the evil facing this country is not FROM the Christians, it just started targeting them first. False flag like the Nazis blaming the Jews for EVERYTHING in 1930's Germany..
 
 
+20 # genierae 2012-06-11 11:57
Noni77, you need a refresher course as to the actual history of this country. Native peoples were almost totally exterminated, their children forced to adopt "Christian" ways, their ancient spiritual teachings erased from their lives, it was a monstrous travesty and Jesus would never have participated in any part of it. He would be on their side. The religion that was used as a club to destroy the native culture, was a fraud, abominable crimes were committed by your "Christian" ancestors, and the faster religion is abandoned, the better off we will be as a people. Religion must give way to spirituality if we are to survive. One interesting point about those times: Though there are many, many examples of white people "going Indian", there's no record of any native people going white. As for the Founding Fathers warning, to be "diligent in teaching our own origins and history so that foreign ideas could not take root" It was all a pack of lies, and it was brainwashing on a very large scale. You need to read "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn if you want the real truth.
 
 
+9 # noitall 2012-06-11 13:10
Thanks for the history lesson for Noni77. Native Americans are still reeling from "civilization" as inflicted by Christians (who were co-conspiritors with the Govt.). Colonialization , like today where people are given trinkets (jobs, whatever) to allow big business to take from other people (and themselves) in the "name of the common good". What happened in early U.S. history continues today (see the dealings with the Hopi and Navajos re: their treaty water rights to the Colorado River) and the genocide and crimes against Nature in S. Amer. and many other places. This stuff doesn't get reported either. Americans can keep their superioriority and arrogance that they so need and their out dated idea of this country being the most free and greatest country in the world. When they realize these lies, it will be too late to recover that legacy. The longer Americans allow themselves to be numbed by lies and ignorance and sports and reality TV and American idol, the deeper we fall into being those we feel so superior to (and whose lives we feel are disposible in preserving our own).
 
 
+7 # genierae 2012-06-11 15:49
Yes, I'm aware of the desperate plight of those on the reservations in this "land of the free". I guess they're free to starve, huh? It is shameful how they are ignored and allowed to suffer on the margins of American society. It is unconscionable that our history books paint such a false picture of our invasion of this country, and our annihilation of a culture that was superior to our own.
 
 
0 # lexy677 2012-06-12 06:14
@genierae:
"Our invasion of this country......"
I don't know where to start. Look North America was colonized(invad ed)by the British. Most of the original colonies/settle ments were penal colonies. Massachussets, Virginia, the Carolinas Georgia were penal colonies; in other words the British exported their felons to north america for years before australia became available. So depending on how long ago your ancestors came here, they were most likely not "invaders". They were common criminals who were used by the british to do their dirty work for them. They were as much victims as the native americans.
 
 
+4 # James38 2012-06-11 13:24
"Though there are many, many examples of white people "going Indian", there's no record of any native people going white."

Very funny, very sad too. I was fortunate enough to become friends with a very wise Chief of one still-establish ed tribes. He was one of the wisest persons I have ever met. His connection with the forces of nature was incredibly strong, and I learned a great deal.

One of my favorite cartoons shows two natives standing in front of their grass-roofed house. A jeep with a couple of pith helmet wearing characters is bouncing down the rough road toward them. One says to the other, "Here come the representatives of the overdeveloped countries."
 
 
+9 # genierae 2012-06-11 16:09
For years I have studied native cultures, and the more I learn, the more I realize that these people were far ahead of us spiritually. What happened to the native peoples in America is a great tragedy, the loss of wisdom incalculable. Think what this country would have been like if we had joined with them instead of destroying their entire way of life. One of my favorite books about Native Americans is "The Gospel of the RedMan", by Ernest Thompson Seton. It is an intimate portrait of their life in the early days of American conquest. How fortunate indeed, for you to know a Chief personally, what an experience!
 
 
+4 # James38 2012-06-11 19:31
genierae, please check your RSN profile page.

In order to have a sane civilization we must "join with them", since our destruction of nature and ultimately the planet would be impossible if we had even a small part of the awareness of the importance of nature and the real forces that allow a planet to work.

Knowing the Chief was one of the most important experiences of my life. I met him in 1968. He is no longer with us, but his teachings live on in the minds of many who were fortunate enough to meet and spend some time with him.

He embodied all of the positive qualities of a "religious" teacher, but with an utterly no-nonsense approach that left no room for fanciful belief or mythical vagueness. One of the most potent lessons I ever had from him came watching him split firewood. We exchanged no words. He was splitting Pinon logs which have a very twisted and gnarled grain, and are extremely tough. I was about twice his size, and I used a seven pound axe I had adapted from an old adze to split the same wood. Even hitting with all my strength, my blade would sometimes get stuck. He set each log up on the block, gazed intently at it, adjusting his position, and with a three pound axe, would lift the axe a little more than shoulder high and bring it down with utter precision and relatively little force. He never failed to split the log.

That is being connected to nature in action.
 
 
0 # Noni77 2012-06-13 22:51
Actually I have read early American history and the various tribes reacted differently to the various European settlements. One tribe in Virginia split - half went West to avoid the Europeans and half adopted the European way of life and were entirely absorbed. If your ancesters were here in the 1600's genealogists say you would be hard pressed to proove you were NOT part (Eastern Indian). And some of these Indians indeed came to the colonists and asked to learn about their culture. When New Amsterdam (New York) was being founded, some tribes in the area took refuge with the Europeans to gain protection from the Mohawk, who were vicious and cruel for the sake of "sport". So yes, if you read early history, some American Indian tribes threw in with "whites" on purpose.
 
 
+9 # ericlipps 2012-06-11 13:44
Quoting Noni77:
Then why is it that the Christians alone are forbidden to show or speak any aspect of their religion in public? In colonial days, the Bible was used as the main literature with which to teach reading in many areas of the country. Jefferson even rewrote a form of the Bible to use to teach the Indians about "white culture".


Uh-huh . . . and Jefferson's Bible was considered blasphemous, because he edited out all the miracles as superstition.

As for Christians being "forbidden to show or speak any aspect of their religion in public"--are you serious? Are you living on this planet? Christian symbolism is EV'ry-f'ing-whe re in this country, and one can't walk a thousand feet in any town or city in the country without passing a church and/or being accosted by some religious type demanding to know if one has let Jesus into one's heart.
 
 
0 # feloneouscat 2012-06-13 10:05
Quoting Noni77:
Then why is it that the Christians alone are forbidden to show or speak any aspect of their religion in public? In colonial days, the Bible was used as the main literature with which to teach reading in many areas of the country. Jefferson even rewrote a form of the Bible to use to teach the Indians about "white culture".


According to Monticello.org (historians) they indicate that:

"With the help of Richard Price, a Unitarian minister in London, and Joseph Priestly, an English scientist-clerg yman who emigrated to America in 1794, Jefferson eventually arrived at some positive assertions of his private religion. His ideas are nowhere better expressed than in his compilations of extracts from the New Testament "The Philosophy of Jesus" (1804) and "The Life and Morals of Jesus" (1819-20?). The former stems from his concern with the problem of maintaining social harmony in a republican nation. The latter is a multilingual collection of verses that was a product of his private search for religious truth."

He THOUGHT about using it for Native Americans, "but, abandoning this, the formal execution of his plan took the shape above described, which was for his INDIVIDUAL USE."

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=JefJesu.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=front

And where in the US can you not show aspects of Christianity?
 
 
+9 # James38 2012-06-11 10:11
I have commented often, and will continue to do so, about the sorry state of Education in the US. Nothing could make this problem more clear than the existence of people this ignorant and out of touch with reality and human decency.

After reading the short article, I realized I had not heard of this arrest, and went looking for more information. I was stunned at the number of racist sites there are (camouflaged by being vague, asking for viewers to join without making it clear what the real point of the site was, and using code words and racist jargon).

The comments by the members were so twisted and so full of false assumptions and distorted information that in many cases understanding what they were talking about was nearly impossible – but the thread of hatred and a perceived threat to “their way of life” was disturbingly obvious. Their idea of their “way of life” is being isolated and surrounded by “others” who are seen as sub- or only partially human – it is a life of alienation and fear of anything different – xenophobic in the extreme.

There was also an abundance of glaringly obvious hatred based on nothing but old stereotypes and primitive appeals to extreme religious programming turned into a distorted sort of elitism – perhaps partially a reaction to the elitist society at large that ignores and marginalizes them from birth.

(continued)
 
 
+5 # James38 2012-06-11 10:13
We have a LOT of work to do, and it is irresponsible in the extreme to ignore the necessity to fund and build an education system that provides good basic understandings of social and scientific issues, a solid grounding in HONEST history, and gives everyone the speaking, writing, and logical thinking fundamentals that are essential for life in a decently cooperative and caring society.

Part of what seems to be happening now is that the wealthy and even fairly well off parts of society do have access to something fairly close to an appropriate level of education, but the great numbers of poorer and lower economic class people are being ignored and are receiving only a sham façade of the education they need – and with the rates of drop-out, even that is often missed. The idea seems to be saving money – as in we “can’t afford” to provide decent education. We continue mistreating these people and ignoring their mental condition at the constant peril that they will be manipulated by this sort of organized hatred and destructiveness .

It is identical to the problem in Pakistan and other countries where short-sighted US Foreign policy and the corrupt, disorganized nature of the local government has given space for radical violent groups such as the Wahhabi and Taliban to step in and appear as saviors and respectable role models simply by providing rudimentary schools and basic instruction.

(continued)
 
 
+3 # James38 2012-06-11 10:15
However, there is nothing honest or balanced about what they provide. Unfortunately, but inevitably, they are capitalizing on the huge numbers of people who can be programmed to believe religious nonsense, and who become a vast reservoir of potentially violent and deadly soldiers, suicide bombers, and simple cadres of workers, farmers, craftsmen, etc. who support the general cause. In other words a whole country and society is coopted for ugly purposes simply because the US and the rest of the “Free World” has chosen to ignore these masses of people instead of helping them achieve a basic level of decent awareness and comfort. This sort of “economizing” is only possible when we have utterly failed to understand that we are creating the most potent threat possible to our own survival. We are substituting horribly difficult and possibly doomed wars and other stopgap methods of dealing with the mess we are constantly allowing to grow and fester right in front of our faces. This lack of coherent and realistic Foreign and Domestic policy is a byzantine way of slowly and continuously shooting ourselves in the foot.

(continued)
 
 
+7 # James38 2012-06-11 10:15
The shooting will progress up to the final shot in the head if we continue to be equally blind and irresponsible about the other great self-created threat to our survival. This is the Climate Change crisis which is accelerating toward us and growing apace as we allow ourselves to be led toward the cliff by the ignorant and utterly greedy officials of the Coal, Oil, and Natural Gas companies. These opulent morons are comprehensively ignoring the obvious fact that their hugely profitable industries will result in the destruction of the only planet we all must live on. Their last meal will be a huge and useless pile of gold, “eaten” on an elaborate, gleaming procrustean bed made of the same worthless substance, since gold only has value, as wealth itself can only exist, in a functioning society on a functioning planet.
 
 
+10 # noitall 2012-06-11 13:20
James 38 speaks the truth. I hope people take the time to read it. Christianity is being used as a weapon against our Democracy, our environment, our future and those blinded by the bible need nothing more in order to follow a politician than to hear him/her parrot the key phrases. Since Reagan, Americans brains have been numbed down; critical thinking is a survival skill possessed only by the "educated elite". The rest of the population, the fuel for industry and their wars, are all against their better interests. The tactic has worked wonderfully...t o our demise.
 
 
+2 # RICHARDKANEpa 2012-06-11 11:02
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher with is skinhead friends and Rambo like posses is the supposed right wing link to ending maharaja prohibition, and in getting US troops out of Afghanistan while he lobbies for a Christian Hindu alliance staring India.


tensions-with-pakistan-boil-as-the-peace-movement-yawns
 
 
+12 # Mercedes 2012-06-11 13:06
Commenters who want to widen their impact should support Southern Poverty Law Center, the organization that has been tracking and responding to these incidents and societal trends for many years. Check SPLC website for history and reliable current information.
 
 
+3 # lexy677 2012-06-12 05:47
I always wonder why people like these and other white supremacists who are so proud of their ancestory always stop short at their grand parents and great great grandparents and repudiate their oldest ancestor; the ape?
 
 
0 # Artemis 2012-06-14 03:56
If members of this group were Muslims, you can bet they would be monitored more closely and hauled up on the slightest suspicion. Check out the recent killings by a similar group in Germany. For years they went around picking out Turks and murdering them. The scandal is that the government and their police and inner security were incapable of putting the dots together and that groups like this meet regularly to ritually demonstrate their hate and racism. It is clear that such extreme right wing groups are considered less dangerous than extreme left wing groups, which is very unfortunate for citizens who become victims of their hate.
Or do people think they just dress up like this?
 
 
0 # RobertMStahl 2012-06-15 13:17
A look at Wayne Madsen's excellent reporting will identify the man in the White House as being gay, and that is not intended to be delivered in any yellow way. If you dig a little deeper, you find that there were a lot of gays murdered who could have produced a story based on truth fairly negative to the 2008 elections. Guess what the time period of these coincidental associations that were murdered was? Election time.
 

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