Morford writes: "People like [Gov. Chris] Christie are, of course, so locked like sad demons into their stiff little roles they cannot help but toe the party line, delude themselves into believing what is so clearly a violent mischaracterization of love and marriage, even as they sell their own soul for the sake of the vote and the sneering fundamentalist GOP nod."
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie speaks at a rally for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney in Exeter, New Hampshire on January 8, 2012. (photo: Justin Sullivan/AFP/Getty Images)
How to Be More Like Satan
25 February 12
ften in the midst of my second glass of whisky do I ponder how it can be that seemingly savvy and knowledgeable people, people who clearly know better, people who you sense have a modicum of wisdom and perspective despite steaming piles of evidence to the contrary, how can such humans so brutally decide against their own better judgment, against their own inner voice, against what they must know, way down deep, to be honest and true?
More broadly: How can it be that we as individuals, as a species so often override our most innate, potent knowing simply because it is the popular choice, or the thing that will gain us more votes, or Likes, or money or candy or sex or time or power or support or accolades or cocktails or bonus points or awards? Particularly when we understand that such a choice will put us squarely on a collision course with illness, pain and prescription meds by the fistful?
"How is it," I ask, already knowing the answer, "that someone like, say, New Jersey governor Chris Christie could so ruthlessly veto the gay marriage bill that came across his desk recently, as passed by his own state legislature and increasingly supported by a majority of New Jersey's (and the nation's) more open-minded residents, even as DADT gasps its last and gay marriage calmly, if sporadically gains support and inevitability nation and worldwide?"
(WARNING: I'm going to assume for the sake of the next few paragraphs that Christie, a Catholic, has a shard of intelligence, appears reasonably articulate, understands what's happening in the culture and the world around him. I know, but let's just go with it).
Indeed, part of the the answer is already encoded in the question. People like Christie are, of course, so locked like sad demons into their stiff little roles they cannot help but toe the party line, delude themselves into believing what is so clearly a violent mischaracterization of love and marriage, even as they sell their own soul for the sake of the vote and the sneering fundamentalist GOP nod. Hey, this is politics. The murdering of one's own humanity for the sake of power and position has been around since man first oozed out of the slime and demanded a campaign contribution.
But surely he knows. Surely he saw what just happened in Washington state, or even right next door in New York just a few months ago.
Surely he is hearing a tiny but persistent voice in the night, his own conscience as a screaming whisper: "Oh goddammit, now I'll be one of those ugly footnotes. Now, in a handful of years when gay marriage is fully legal and no big deal, I'll be remembered as one of those dark smudges of ignorance who stood on exactly the wrong side of history, who jeered his disapproval, even if, deep down, I knew full well it's the wrong and immoral choice." Surely he knows. Don't you think?
Maybe he doesn't. This is the astonishing thing: We will choke down our better judgment, our own soul, in favor of the power and the cash, the political gain and the backslapping of approval from exactly the wrong kinds of people. Despite roughly one billion historic examples of how this is the unhealthy, hurtful and spiritually vacuous path, we will do it anyway. Just ask the Catholic church.
Make no mistake, this is not an immutable law. Nor is it, I believe, the true nature of the human spirit, to work from a bitterly reactive state of fear and suspicion, instead of from a pro-active, intuitive state of possibility and love. It's just the way many have been trained, the prevailing modality, politicians' and organized religion's favorite weapon. Most don't know how to do it any other way. But as the wise ones and ancients say, it's also completely full of sh-t.
Occasionally, one falls through the cracks. Occasionally someone steps up, just a little, to reveal how life can actually be when you dial in to the core and listen to the true voice. It is no easy thing to do. In fact, it is often the most difficult task of all.
Occasionally you get someone like Maureen Walsh, a small-town conservative rep from the tiny burg of Walla Walla, Washington, once known for its famous apples and funny little name and now known for its superlative vineyards and funny little name.
Did you hear? Walsh recently did a most remarkable thing. As her state's landmark gay marriage bill was being debated in the legislature, Walsh stood up and, choking back tears, powerfully broke ranks with her Republican counterparts.
Apparently, Walsh lost her husband of 23 years, the love of her life, six years ago. Also, Walsh's daughter is gay. The two emotional realms collided in her heart to reveal one overwhelming conclusion: To deny her own daughter the possibility of such a state-supported love, of a marriage ceremony and life of couplehood such as she and her late husband had known, would be nothing less than cruel. And for what? More Republican fear? A nasty misreading of a single tortured line in the Bible? Please.
And so you think, is that what it takes? Some personal hit, a death, a wake up call from a loved one, a child, a perspective slap so hard and deeply felt that, if you don't heed its call, not only will you be on the wrong side of history, but your very own soul will quickly wither and die? Is there really no other way?
Somewhere in the new "It Gets Better" documentary is the stunning statistic that fully 26 percent of kids who come out as gay to their families are told to get the hell out of the house. True. One in four children are saddled with parents so hateful or scared, so ill-informed or spiritually bereft, they can do nothing but reject their own child over the fact he or she loves in a way they can't and won't understand.
Perhaps you know people like this. Perhaps you are one yourself. If so, I am terribly sorry for you. But more so for your child.
In Milton's epic poem "Paradise Lost," the glorious, church-sanctioned tale of the fall of man, when the defiant angel Satan is cast out of heaven, he is first depicted as a completely glorious badass, reclining in fiery majesty, magnificently sexy and monstrously regal in his underworld throne.
But then, a slow deterioration. A ruthless decay. A withering and shrinking as he slides further and further away from God, from Source. And why? Well, one way to look at it is Satan was no longer in alignment with his God. Or what we might call, in the yoga tradition, his own true spirit, his divine nature, compassion and heart. (Another is that he was a radical individualist and anarchic rejecter of contrived heavenly dogma, but that's another column).
Strip out the bitter, dualistic Christian mythology, and the deeper lesson is simple enough: Stray from your true self, your calm inner knowing, deny your own heart's quieter, more authentic voice in favor of power, shrill punditry or the ego's sly trickery, and watch yourself fall, decay, slither into lower and lower realms of hate and sadness. Choose a path of fear instead of love, and watch yourself die.
Seems simple, no? Shall we alert the politicians?
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You may be right. Christie, Romney, Santorum, et al, may, in 20 years, be viewed as we now view Sheriff Clark, George Wallace, and all those politicians and preachers who passed and supported anti-miscegenation laws, saying that God didn't want the races to mix and that marriage between blacks and whites was unnatural.
The government doesn't belong inside your home. Bad enough they are wired into it with cable, but your private life doesn't belong on a political platform whether it be for your sexual preference or control of your body (birth control, conception, abortion, etc). This is between you and your God, unless you harm another individual.
Frankly speaking, tax deduction based on marriage are discriminatory. End that and there would be less reason for the government to be concerned with gay marriage. And maybe then they would have to find more compelling topics to discuss like the Federal Reserve printing too much taxpayer money.
And I agree with Virginia and bugbuster.
There is great wisdom in separation of church and state and in the protection
of our individual liberties.
Regarding birth control, the planet is way way overcrowded--in light of the damage humans do to survive. We need to have all children be wanted children with parents who can nurture them. This concept is the key to eliminating crime.
Do we need also protect the right to have promiscuous, meaningless, recreational sex as often as is liked?
This discussion is about the separation of Church & State which is a bedrock of Constitutional Law, and Equal Rights for women, which began with women being given the "right" to vote & progressed to a woman's right to make decisions about & to be in control of her own body.
Government has no business dictating our lives after we are off the clock. For all who wanted less government, sounds like you want Nazism. Need to be told when to jump. I do not, I work, I therefore, have the right, in the USA to do what I want when I go home as long as I am not harming another being or creature.
You want to jump, go ahead, but I don't want to, that is my choice.
I believe in sterilization, man has shown me why Perhaps the Creator is taking the eggs away until we grow up.
After all the Lord Giveth and Taketh Away.
Maybe our pollution, poison are working against us, we will be sterile. than you all can thank your Corporate Killers like Monsanto, GE, Koch Bros. But without us here, robots will take over our jobs, they are already. You all let them
By the way, we already have a sex God: the Pope.
Regarding your second qustion, am I to take it that sex can't be enjoyed, but Victorian-era/bible-thumping procreation is only allowed? As opposed to having some great responsible, mutual sex for pleasure w/o procreation being a requirement? I really haven't seen people out on the streets daily having orgies, so don't worry. I don't think all people are sex-crazed 24/7.
Gilbert K. Chesterton
After 2000 years of Christianities (schisms abound) the trial period is over. Salvage some philosophical bits if you must but toss the rest.
Schools let you retake a test so many times but at some point the applicant has to leave without a diploma.
piece and hope to hear more from you. Thanks, RSN!
The day will come on My people when nothing will remain of Islam but the name. The religious doctors of that age will be the most evil under the shadow of heaven.
What a straightforward piece of writing! The way most of us test any idea or issue in life is to see how it feels: a gut check, or a heart check, if you will. This is at the core of any sincere Christian's spirituality. Facts and reading words on a page don't get you there.
Fear of rejection by others is a reason so many hold onto beliefs and ideas that have been robbed of their original intention. This fear is inappropiately called 'faith.' Christ is likely saddend by the use of Old Testament perspectives to justify "Christian" thinking - Old Testament laws and attitudes that were meant to be replaced by love and no judgement.
A Conservative Explains Why Right-Wingers Have No Compassion: Former Republican Senate Congressional staffer on why right-wingers think people without insurance deserve to die.
http://www.alternet.org/visions/154194
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I know hundreds of right-wingers and I do not know one who thinks people without insurance deserve to die.
In addition to being factually absurd, this statement does nothing to further the goals of determining how best to make healthcare inexpensive and available to all.
Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts
Check out former (and I hope soon to be again) Florida Senator Alan Grayson's remark about how the Republican's or plan for health care is 1. "Die" 2 "Die soon" or words to that effect. And I have heard at least one representative on the floor of the house (can't remember who any more but it presents the attitude of the right in general) stating in a loud voice that "Healthcare is NOT a right, it should be earned". Now if that isn't an invitation to die and soon, what is it?
You are NOT God!
You are NOT God!
You are NOT God!
When God wants you to speak for God, we will all be notified.
For me, I am listening only to GANESH, the one true god
There are other ways to view "god." Maybe it's not an entity. Maybe it's within. Maybe it's all of us and our environment. Maybe it's the sense that we are all interconnected; that we stand on ground that somehow connects to our lakes, rivers, mountains, pastures, other human beings (even those in other countries we consider our enemies), our animals, and our loved ones.
I think God is a puzzlement, but I don't want to dismiss the idea. Not yet.
But what I do not believe is that it is a male God who knows everything and directs everything and can be petitioned with prayers. (I have born-again relatives who keep saying this sort of thing, totally ignoring the fact that a cousin died at an early age, for example, while she claims petitionary prayer works.)
Ga'nesh yer teeth at somebody else; (heh-heh) -sorry, I'm on my fourth glass o' Scotch now!
Watch that elephant in yer Livin' Room!
Still, in spite of all the opposition by the combined forces of the Iranian clergy and military, He left numerous Holy Books and foretold the coming of One even greater than He.
Perhaps you would like to look into it.
"Are you aware that the Messiah appeared in 1844? He was promptly arrested by Iranian religious leaders and authorities and, like Jesus, He was suspended in the air by a nail and executed by a brutal government."
Are you aware you should provide some backup for such a claim; similar to others like it that have been claimed for generations, but w/o literal, tangible proof? Perhaps you'd like to cite a source or sources in you post? Or like Righties, you may think you're exempt from doing that, based on the idea that it's "true" just because...?
Ona day I had to tell a woman: "Maam, I can not reason with you when you are unreasonable."
Simple facts should be enough to convince people of the correctness or incorrectness of political views. This kind of hit piece only antagonizes and polarizes the opposition -- a sure fire way to sabotage any rational discussion that might lead to us convincing others that are views are sensible and will not lead to a breakdown of traditional marriages.
Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts
He used to occasionally appear in the SF Chronicle, with some wonderfully acerbic comments about GW Bush, and I used to get a "Morning Fix" email with his column on SFGATE, but then he seemed to disappear. Glad he's back, and that RSN picked up on him!
using to describe your comment. The prejudice, ignorance & intolerance you base Voice of Reason's comment on & I agree, but would like to add it's a good description of Rick Santorum, as well
About Chris Christie, I don't believe he's ignorant, intolerant,prej udiced or homophobic.
The man is a hypocrite & political opportunist which will come back to haunt him when same sex marriage is legalized.
I do not drink. I have not drank for years. I have a great relationship with my God and He does not promote the kind of hatred you seem to be all to willing to embrace.
Last night a 20 year militray man stated so eloquently, "Having a heartfelt desire to kill another human being is not normal." So I ask you where is the acceptance. Where is the acceptance of Muslim, black, gay, poor, and/or communist. We are all people and we all have a right to believe what we believe. My God is inclusive. He embraces all people, not just the politcal right.
Based on your previous posts, you look like you take a crooked path to a point, or "point" rather than a straight line. Rules for birthing? Implying that sexomania is rampant? A messiah appearing in 1844 arrested by Iranian authorities? (Iran is mentioned. Is this an implication to the current tensions w/ that country?) Your questions & statements have a certain color or tone to them, which bare out a Right-sounding noise. Understandably, other posters here will be critical of you.
And you're welcome to provide a source. What you have thus far are vague, unprovable abstractions w/ pretended certainties. Your username contrasts your content like day & night.
Are you sure you want to do that?
My statement was that people seem so willing to incur the wrath of God that they do it on a dare. Have I misstated the truth?
I may be wrong.
You know the saying there are no atheists in foxholes? I have been in the equivalent, in a roaring rapids after a canoe overturned and I was left hanging onto a rock, sure I would not get out of it. I didn't think of praying. My brother who is also an atheist has had many brushes with death (including Navy experience), and he has never thought he needed to petition anyone.
My own born-again cousin, when I outlined what I believe (no personal god, for example, wrote back and said "You are so brave!" I could never get her to say more.
1) POLITICALLY: The constitution gives all Americans freedom of religion which means you have the right to believe in your religion & everyone else has the right to believe in their religion OR not to believe in a religion.
2) LOGICALLY: "Universal statements" implying that "ALL" people should behave or believe in a particular way can not be predicated by any of your statements which is the way to reach a logical conclusion or a statement of truth.
3) CULTURALLY: Your myopic, sweeping statements about alcohol, drugs, sexual relations, promiscuity & contraception are out of touch with society today, misinformed & biased by your religious beliefs and by your acculteration.
VOICE: I say this with good intentions:
It would behoove you & your religious argumentation to take University secular
courses in "Sex Education" &"Comparative Religions".
It would widen your world view to study political science, history & philosophy.
"If it's all a meaningless fairy tale, you should be able to admit you're a non-believer. They used to call them infidels."
Why should myungbluth admit to being a nonbeliever? Maybe he believes in Krishna, whatever, or maybe he doesn't believe. Infidel is sure a fuedalistic word.
"Are you sure you want to do that?"
Now what are you implying? Is this a warning? A threat? Did god tell you to ask this?
"My statement was that people seem so willing to incur the wrath of God that they do it on a dare. Have I misstated the truth?"
I don't see much truth in your statments to begin with. The one above is quite a fallacy. Athiests & Agnostics come to their positions through thinking, questioning-sooner or later-rather than what you equate as some kids daring each other to steal apples off a tree in a yard owned by a wrathful, grumpy old man.
But I do readily admit that I have seen atheists who are more spiritual than fundamental and fanatic religious people.
I didn't accuse you of making a threat. Why didn't you just say "do you hesitate" since "are you sure" sounds more like a question to someone who has decided something rather than hesitating. It's not reading so much into what you're saying, it's questioning your claims which state implications & unprovable anomalies. Instead of implying something & shapshifting into something else, clearly put out & briefly elaborate your claims, rather than pretending to be a voice of reason. If not, you're just plain out of touch.
I'm sure Atheists can be "spiritual" w/o the religous trappings, i.e., no myths; although the word has been usually associated w/ religion.
It's still true today.
Now about that human-caused global warming: Take the intransigence of the issue of gay marriage and then put a ruthless deadline on it. We either apprehend and change now or else face bigger, more dire problems further ahead.
Educated Republicans truly believe that humans have not done anything to heat up the atmosphere and oceans, and hence do nothing to stop it. And they remain blissfully unaware of the scientific inevitability that - unless we face it - can doom us all.
This wedding day approaches fast -- where human carbon habits meet up with real consequences. And for this issue, everyone will eventually have family members that are victims. But unlike gay marriage - this is change that must happen years before it takes effect. Like planning your wedding a few decades ahead.
We may know the science and we can yearn for a safe future - yet deciding to change before it gets worse is the most difficult part of that.
Thanks for scrutinizing how change happens, it seems like it takes empathy for personal pain. Plenty to come.
Uplifting to say the least. In these times when people are being muzzled, and especially in the media, you stand out as a
hero. I thank God that I am my own person and I freely speak from the Spirit within. You are one of those people I would love to sit down and talk with. I customarily sign everything I send with some form of Love. So,
Love In All-Ways, Allways,
'Voice of Reason'? Pffffffft. Voice of demagogic idiocy. You just don't get it. You insist on believing in fairy tales; fine with me. But that's not enough for you, is it? You're pissy because you can't stand that I don't accept your fairy tales as 'truth.' And you consider yourself an adult?
And how does a 'second glass of whisky' make him evil, or less than you? Are you so afraid of your lack of control that you can't abide a few alcoholic drinks and so demonize those who can? AND HOW DARE YOU SPEAK FOR GOD - you puny one-of-7-billion. Arrogant worms make up the GOP.
You forget that 100 years ago this country was fed up with alcoholism, and thought they could abolish it. But the alcoholics leagued partners with the mobsters and murderers, and 'the Gangster Rebellion' broke out. After they won, it was renamed 'the Roaring 20s', I guess to highlight the excitement of drive by shootings and mob rule.
But now we've had 80 years of generational alcoholism. And my question remains: where has it led us? Do you think you can answer that simple question without calling names, Mr. Liberal minded thinker?
Nothing good came out of Prohibition. No, it wasn't renamed the Roaring 20s. That was a much wider social phenomenon that lasted only until about -- a little after -- "The Great Depression." It was also brought about by World War I, when Americans went off to war and saw other parts of the world and introduced them to other cultures--not all of them beneficial.
And "we've had 80 years of generational alcoholism"? We have? What is your evidence.
Arts, architecture, loosening of what were the predominating "morals" at the time.
As historywriter says, you got the history of Prohibition wrong. As alluded to in historywriter's overview, it actually spread vice & illegalites. Our ancient ancestors developed something called gruel which was an intoxicant. Alchohol has been practically a staple & a vice for many generations; probably before the creation of religions. Of course, there is a need to provide help when it becomes too detrimental. Many can drink w/o being alchoholics. Those w/ problems w/ alchololism have access to groups & programs. So, you think it takes religion to wipe out alchohol, Mr. Right-leaning implyer? That was proven wrong.
If I could make one suggestion to Romney, Christie and the rest of the nuts trying to call America a Christian nation. Do a bit of in-depth reading on what our Founding Fathers were striving for and then get rid of your damned messages of division and hate. World history has shown the results of those messages.
You guys fly way off the handle, make wild and unfounded accusations, and apparently don't want to answer the question.
Why can't you just say that you're not interested in a dialogue if it doesn't agree with you. Is that what liberal minded means these days?
It's hard not to fly off the handle when you make wild and unfounded statements. Your bible is important to you but for many, me included, I couldn't stop laughing after the first couple of pages...that stuff sure is a long stretch.
It's also tough to have dialogue with a "believer" as they are often so indoctrinated in their whacky stories and shut down intelligent conversation rather quickly...I have a few beloved Evangelical friends who just can't open their minds to the most basic arguments...think Rapture and all those bodies, dead and alive, going up to the clouds...really, how does one stop shaking their head?
But hey, today's article is really not about religion, not directly anyway. It's about getting over a big nothing and letting people live the way they want. Life's way too short for this kind of time wasting.
"What are you talking about? I am only questioning what people do and asking them to justify their life style. And how many times have I said that you don't have to agree with me?"
Your previous posts indicated more than open-minded questioning. You've made various claims which are still just that...claims; & you were wrong on the effects of Prohibition. And I haven't counted that many times, if any, that you said we don't have to agree w/ you.
"You guys fly way off the handle, make wild and unfounded accusations, and apparently don't want to answer the question."
That's quite reactionary; I don't see others using exclamation points & the caps key to respond to your claims. The accusations result from your claims that have been alluded to before w/a Right-leaning tinge. Why don't you answer to your claims? There's still that first one about "meaningless" sex.
"Why can't you just say that you're not interested in a dialogue if it doesn't agree with you. Is that what liberal minded means these days?"
Why don't you apply those questions to the Right? It would be more applicable given how outwardly the Right has been in its agenda, which is 19th century/Medieval-like (Just listen to the Repub "candidates."). You do know sides are taken. But from your very first post, I didn't sense comments reflecting civil discourse, rather reflecting a vague, Right-like tinge.
What Christie is, first and foremost, is a very, very, very calculating and ambitious politician. Every step he takes can be easily understood as part of a strategy to become President. He might accept Vice President or a cabinet position if he believes it will advance his goal.
He is very smart and very knowledgeable and totally ruthless. He is a liar and a bully. I have seen no sign of ethical restraint. He is Giuliani, but charming when he wants to be and has avoided Giuliani’s New York baggage; e.g. Christie has no history of being pro-choice or pro-gay to make him poison among Evangelicals and conservative Catholics.
He is not worried about winning the ultimate election, he is worried about winning the Republican nomination. If you look at his past behavior, he will follow the classic run right until nominated then run center until elected.
I believe he is positioning himself to save the day if the Republican convention is deadlocked or to be the frontrunner for the nomination in 2016 if Obama is reelected.
The best posting here. I had an earlier response to The Voice, which was not printed and realized later that his views really mean nothing here; this is about Christie's grab for power, not about a god or religion per se. Very smart of Christie to slough it off on the NJ residents in November as he washes his hands of this issue.
Doctordemocracy : I cannot understand the sheer arrogance of people who believe they speak for God. I have some born-again relatives who talk like this and I can never get over their audacity and their unchristian effrontery.
No one knows much about God, much less how he/she thinks.
I can't help but wonder why rightwingers can't understand that they have been on the wrong side of history for a long time now, and that the inner contradictions of their world outlook is causing the collapse of their political party as well as causing them and the rest of us a lot of strife and turmoil. Whether it's same sex marriage, universal health care, an understanding that you can't outlaw abortion, can't make war when it's not necessary, or have people who make the most money not pay their fair share for the general good. Te list goes on and on and on virtually every major issue, the rightwingers are wrong and history is currently teaching them a lesson. Hopefully, some of you are getting it.
Morphing.
(Matthew 22:36-40)
I think he was less concerned with the letter of the law than he was with taking care of one another and showing love for your fellow human beings - even your enemies, and people whose lifestyle you disagree with.
Anybody who calls GLBT people "sick", "unnatural" or "curable with prayer" might want to look in the mirror and address their own urges, like playing footsie with an FBI agent in an airport bog (sorry; "bathroom") and at the wisdom of the indigenous tribes of this and other countries who had a significant place in the great circle of existence as "the Human beings" for all, including those what we in our "advanced state" call deviants (from the norm, whatever the Hell that is).
All together folks; "R-E-A-C-T-I-O-N-A-R-Y H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S" (what does it spell???)
I'd only add that your observations and eloquence goes well beyond the issue of gay rights/marriage. I do agree with what you say, however.
To me the issues you raise - selling one's soul for a few votes, a few dollars, a candy bar - and knowing that you are selling your soul - is a deep violation of one's humanity.
The vast majority of right wing politicians lie through their teeth for vote and a dollar, tell their audiences complete and utter lies and nonsense, knowingly, and say whatever they think they need to in order to satisfy the madness of the nut cases called "the base". I think (not sure) people like Romney and Gingrich (Santorum is insane enough to believe his own sh-t) have a brain and some sense of right and wrong. They are now empty dead souls.
Americans with a soul and a brain are left holding a pile of garbage, knowing our kids are screwed because of these sick fu--s. There are enough ignorant and closed minded Americans who actually believe this garbage.
Imagine a Congress and President that actually did "the right thing" for the common good. Imagine a health care system that cared for people instead of insurance companies (deficit gone), a fair tax system where those with the most shared their wealth and good fortune with a smile, a government-public policy apparatus run by people with wisdom and compassion, instead of a corrupt bunch of liars. Imagine.
I think that the "GREED IS GOOD" crowd--the 1%'ers who have control of our country---see the great things you mentioned as totally against their interests----stuffing ever more wealth into their already overflowing pockets. After being stationed in Europe for two years and seeing how universal healthcare there puts people's health above money/greed, I see our system as an incredibly sick and twisted system putting $$$$$ first and people last. Look at the millions upon millions of U.S. children who don't have health coverage. It's a national disgrace that the 1%'ers don't give a damn about.
Simple answer: tribalism.
Belonging to and supporting our group is a basic instinct in most animal species, and in moderation, it is a good thing. But with all such behaviors, there is a spectrum, and those of us with principles call a person who prioritizes his group above everything else a "douche bag." Or, if it's Chris Christie, a "humungous douche bag."
It might normally be nunufmybiz, but you are the ones demanding the force of law and the sanctity of marriage. so now it is my biz to ask what right do you have to change what historically has been termed depraved into sanctified? It is a legitimate question.
You are liberal and fair minded, when do I get to see some of that? All I have seen is prejudice and venom for asking (not demanding, not forcing), just asking what is your basis for this, and are you aware of the historical precedent.
I do not believe in force of any kind, especially against the closet liberators. I am asking a question. If you have to hide behind your veils, then be honest and admit that is what you are doing. It is only reasonable.
The point is you're making proclamations about "heretic practices" &" fear-based beliefs" that the majority of the people who practice other religions or no religion are finding archaic, without rationality & insulting.
Respect is a two-way street. Noone has said negative things about the religious sect you belong to because you have a right to believe in any religion by the Constitution. It gives everyone else in the US, also, the right to believe as they choose, including non-believers.
You cannot force your religious beliefs about right & wrong, & the wrath of GOD on other people. It is wrong to do so.
Alcohol consumption, & sexual relations between two consenting adults is legal in the US. I assume your angry comments & your statement that people hide behind veils has more to do with your religious & personal beliefs about homosexual couples having the legal right to marry.
Makes perfect sense. Well, maybe perfect hypocritical sense.
You are proclaiming personal beliefs that are not in sync with the morways & laws of contemporary society. Saying that people who believe differently will be met with "the wrath of GOD" is a projection of your fears & insulting.
Prohibition of liquor was overturned decades ago. No point to discussing it.
Second Wave Feminism taught women to be in control of their bodies & ability to procreate. Women take their right to use contraceptive & abortion options very seriously & do not want religious groups or the government to interfere. These are medical advances which occured after the canonization of the bible written by men, not GOD! I hope you know that!
Genetic & medical theories in regard to homosexuality has made it crystal clear that same sex marriage needs to be legal. Christies veto was the act of a hypocrite & political opportunist.
In a simple tit-for-tat; But it's O.K. to call Obama: Hitler, AntiChrist, Islamocommie? To harp on his midddle name Hussein because it's Arab-sounding, & perhaps Saddam-like? Hypocrisy rears its ugly head.
For politicians,e.g., I guess its a matter of who's saying what & what for: Taking sides, which sides come closer to truths & facts, which side's agenda/ideology is of benefit to whom, whether the few or the many. Then, come the responses, positive & negative, who's deserving & who isn't.
But I'm concerned about the price of gas. That's going to bankrupt our economy again.
Or, if it is all just a big fantasy, then why don't you buy 666 square miles, form a separate nation, and call it Sodom and Gomorrah. After all, Las Vegas bills itself as sin city. No hellfire there. Yet.
My guess is, because something inside of you balks at being that openly defiant. That's just too real.
But I'm only guessing. You are free to prove me wrong. Just try to avoid the anarchy of insults and guilt by association. It makes for better dialogue, instead of making lib'ruls look like the very enemy you hate so much.
The journalist was not being literal. The term "Satan" is a metaphor.
You've got several claims to back up but you keep adding more.
"Las Vegas bills itself as sin city. No hellfire there. Yet."
Care to be less vague & openly come out of the closet? Care to elaborate re. the word "yet"?
"Guilt by association?" Well, that can be resolved by stating directly where you're coming from, rather than using the Right-like camflouge.
http://www.bahai-library.com/writings/shoghieffendi/pdc/pdicall.html#1
Well, your general opinion is more wrong than not (again). Since religion is usually taken by everyone in associating it w/ a god, gods, goddessess, miracles, prophets, saviors, messiahs, promised ones, holy books, etc., etc., etc., that disqualifies me as being religious since I don't support all that. I don't support those myths, be they Christian, Islamic, Bahai, & the other various strains proclaiming to have the absolute truth. Your attempt to twist nonbelieving w/ believing is just that...a twist, & nonreasoning.
Religion is meant to inspire and unite and guide the human race to its glorious destiny. But the Day of Justice is only now dawning.
In the past the name was forgiveness, which means everyone gets to be as corrupt as ever and they are not held accountable. Although the Jews were punished for over 2,000 years.
But there is no worse corruption than a corrupt religion. No amount of internal reform can ever save it. Only a new messenger from God. And who is going to believe that? Certainly not right wing Christians and especially not fanatic Moslems.
Still, my guess is you and people like you will believe it. It just takes some seeking on your parts.
He gets it, and still asks us to plow on.
*I could not detect the gender of the voice, but it sounded kind of.... you know.
The Catholic Church isn't being asked to change its opinions. It's being told that it should not interfere in the country's secular life when it wants to impose its morals on everyone. It believes it has the "truth" and most of us don't agree and don't want to live under those rules.
Your children don't have to be circumsized. It's just a popular practice in the United States.
We already have a lot of female rabbis. They're doing a great job, too.
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