Intro: "There are around 90 guns for every 100 Americans yet, despite 85 fatal shootings a day, the mighty US gun lobby is as powerful as ever. In the wake of Trayvon Martin's killing, Gary Younge reports on the country's deadly attachment to firearms."
A family looks at a pistol at an annual meeting of the National Rifle Association, which now claims more than 4 million members. (photo: Scott Olson/Getty Images)
America's Deadly Devotion to Guns
17 April 12
There are around 90 guns for every 100 Americans yet, despite 85 fatal shootings a day, the mighty US gun lobby is as powerful as ever. In the wake of Trayvon Martin's killing, Gary Younge reports on the country's deadly attachment to firearms.
t an organising breakfast for National Rifle Association (NRA) grassroots activists, Samuel Richardson, a man with whom I have not exchanged a word, passes me a note. "Please read the book Injustice by Adams," it reads. "He was [sic] lawyer for US Justice Department who prosecuted Black Panther Case." Quite why Richardson thinks this book is for me is not clear. There are six other people at the table, a couple of them journalists. The fact I am the only black person in a room of around 200 may have something to do with it.
J Christian Adams, a former department of justice lawyer, resigned after the department decided not to prosecute members of the New Black Panther party who brandished guns and intimidated poll watchers outside a voting station in Philadelphia in 2008. Several attorneys, including Republicans, have argued that while the case was serious it did not warrant the department's resources. Adams believed there were darker forces at play, claiming the case "gave the public a glimpse of the racially discriminatory worldview" of the department under Obama.
Richardson goes further. The press and the government are in cahoots, he explains, to oppress white people. "It's fascistic," he explains. "It's just like Hitler did. Discriminating against one ethnic group and claiming that they're the cause of everything that's wrong. It's what happened in Rwanda," intimating that white Americans, like Tutsis, could one day find themselves systematically slaughtered in their own land.
It would be easy to ridicule the NRA. Billboards for its national convention all around St Louis promise "acres of guns and gear". In the exhibition hall they are giving two free guns, twice a day, to anyone wearing a sticker that says "Ambush", and they are selling semi-automatics in pink camouflage. One of the most powerful lobbying organisations in the country and deeply embedded in the Republican party, the NRA still calls itself the country's oldest civil rights organisation.
But America's relationship with guns is as deep and complex at home as it is perplexing abroad. The fact that most British police are not armed confounds even the most liberal here. And even though the nation is evenly split on whether there should be more gun control, every time there is a gun-related tragedy, whether it is the shootings in Arizona, Virgina Tech or any number of schools, the issue has been effectively removed from the electoral conversation. And at the centre of these apparent contradictions stands the NRA, once an organisation that represented the rights of hunters and sportsmen and now a major political player closely linked to the gun industry.
"All the domestic controversies of the Americans at first appear to a stranger to be incomprehensible or puerile," suggested the 19th-century French chronicler Alexis de Tocqueville in Democracy in America. "And he is at a loss whether to pity a people who take such arrant trifles in good earnest or to envy that happiness which enables a community to discuss them."
But guns in America are no trifling matter. There are approximately 90 guns for every 100 people in the US (a rate almost 15 times higher than England and Wales). More than 85 people a day are killed with guns and more than twice that number are injured with them. Gun murders are the leading cause of death among African Americans under the age of 44.
And the NRA is no joke. Claiming gun ownership as a civil liberty protected by the second amendment, it opposes virtually all gun control legislation. It claims more than 4 million members, has a budget of more than $300m and spent almost $3m last year - when there were no nationwide elections - on lobbying.
The second amendment to the US constitution reads: "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." There has long been a dispute about whether "the people" described refers to individuals or the individual states. But there is no disagreement about its broader intent, which is to provide the constitutional means to mount a military defence against a tyrannical government.
"It's about independence and freedom," explains David Britt. "When you have a democratic system and an honourable people then you trust the citizens." Britt, an affable man in his 60s, does not lend himself easily to caricature. Elsewhere in the room, one T-shirt quotes Thessalonians 3:10 ("If any would not work neither should he eat") on the back and "I hate welfare" on the front. Another T-shirt announces: "Christian, American, Heterosexual, Pro-Gun, Conservative. Any Questions?"
Britt is more understated, conservative but more likely to water at the mouth talking about barbecue in his native Memphis than foam at the mouth over a Fox News talking point. He doesn't fetishise guns but fondly recalls his grandfather giving him his first rifle when he was seven. "He said it's not a toy and he showed me how to use it properly."
Britt believes individual gun ownership is a guarantor of democracy. "In Europe they cede their rights and freedoms to their governments. But we think the government should be subservient to us."
For all the rightwing demagoguery associated with the NRA, this is quite a radical notion. The trouble is that, left in the hands of individuals, each gets to define their own version of tyranny and potentially undermine democracy with their firearms. Some believe the healthcare law enacted by a democratically elected Congress is tyrannical.
In the hardscrabble town of Pahrump, Nevada, in 2010, I witnessed a conversation between conservatives about the most propitious moment to militarily challenge this government. "The last thing we want to see is to break out our arms," said one. "But we need to have 'em in hand, and the government needs to know that we will use [our arms] if they continue down the path they're on."
But the second amendment is not the only factor that embeds guns in America's culture. As a settler nation that had to both impose and maintain its domination over indigenous people to acquire and defend land and feed itself in a frontier state, the gun made America, as we understand it today, possible. "None of us in the free world would have what we have if it were not for guns," says Britt. "It's about freedom, it's not about violence."
Missouri representative Jeanette Oxford, who represents a district in St Louis, disagrees. "From the outset violence was enforced with weapons of various kinds in North America," she says. "I think the ability to enforce your right through might is ingrained in us."
It is also an important component of something else that is central to American society: capitalism. Guns make money. A lot of it. Since 1990 the sale of legal guns alone has come to, on average, about $3.5bn every year. And it is recession-proof, rising and falling less with the economic tide than the electoral one. When Democrats are elected the sales go up. And when a black Democrat is elected, they skyrocket. The week Barack Obama was elected gun sales leapt 50% against the previous year. And they have continued to rise sharply.
In the exhibition hall at the convention, the industry is showcasing its arsenal. As well as rows of semi-automatic weapons of all colours and sizes there are tables with a range of handguns and accessories: Eagle grips in ultra pearl black and ivory polymer, Hornady bullets ("accurate, deadly, dependable") and general appeals to the rustic, manly and patriotic.
A few blocks away at St Louis City Hall some of the survivors of the shooting in Tucson last year are staging a press conference to call for greater gun control. Some are gun owners themselves. Mavy Stoddard, 77, weeps as she recalls the death of her husband Dorwan, 78, one of the six people killed that day, who covered her with his body when gunfire erupted.
"He fell on top of me," she says. "He was shot through the temple. Some how I got out from under him and held him on my lap for seven or eight minutes before he died."
The tone is not strident but plaintive. No one here wants to touch the second amendment or is calling for wholesale reform of the gun laws. Mavy can't understand why the NRA leadership won't even take her calls or sit down to discuss the issue with her. St Louis has been named the most dangerous city in America for two years running and leads the nation in black homicides. Three years ago, Ernecia Coles, 40, was bidding farewell to business associates in the historically black neighbourhood of Ville when shooting erupted. "I got hit by a stray bullet. It went under my left ear, zig-zagged through my soft tissue, went through my neck and exited my right jaw." Coles grew up around guns in rural Virginia. Her father had one for protection. But in a city such as St Louis, she says, they play a different role. "For now, the risk of gun violence is the price you pay for working and living in urban America."
Elizabeth Watkins lost two of her sons to gun violence. The first, Timothy, 28, was shot after a fight in Miami in 1990. The second, Mark, also 28, was caught in crossfire, while visiting a friend in St Louis. As spokesperson for Families Advocating Safe Streets, Watkins used to attend funerals of those who fell to gun violence in the city. "I had to stop going after a while," she says. "I couldn't take it any more."
Despite their experiences, neither is calling for root-and-branch reform. "I'm not saying people shouldn't be able to protect their property. But guns are too available to young people." Coles believes the NRA should be "compelled to examine and address the unintended consequences that that constitutional right has brought about in many American communities and against too many innocent American citizens."
Given the scale of the problem, one is struck by how modest many of these demands are. Yet the mantra from NRA enthusiasts and others is that guns don't kill people, people kill people. This banal iteration conveniently ignores the fact that people can kill people far easier with guns than almost anything else and that, in a country with high levels of inequality, poverty and segregation, such as America, they are more likely to do so.
It also does not account for the NRA's role in pushing legislation such as stand-your-ground laws that allowed George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin's killer, to walk free for more than six weeks. The law states that anyone who perceives a threat to their life has a right to use a weapon. The core of the debate over the last few weeks has not been Zimmerman's right to bear arms but that the law now on the books in more than 20 other states protected him from even being arrested for so long and makes it difficult to prosecute.
The day registration opened at the NRA, Zimmerman's face peered from every newsstand following his arrest, but the case barely came up unless raised by a journalist. There was some contrition. "It's a tragedy," says Britt. "It shouldn't have happened. But I think the media has exploited it." But also some defiance. "He was attacked and he defended himself," claims Richardson, before going on to say nobody knows all the facts and returning to the problem of the New Black Panthers.
Back at the grassroots breakfast the organisers are gearing up the activists for this election year. "Bad people get sent to Washington because good people don't vote," they say. When it comes to engaging potential allies they are told to "hunt where the ducks are" - gun clubs, hunting groups and so on. Each electoral district has an assigned Election Volunteer Coordinator (EVC) who acts as a go-between among candidates, members and gun owners. Few domestic organisations can rival the NRA in lobby power.
Liberal legislators recognise and respect its influence precisely because it is so effective. "They don't have shoot-ins and rifle marches," explains Massachusetts Democrat Barney Frank. "They write and call. The NRA - person for person - they are extremely influential because they lobby that way."
In 2000, Democrats credited the NRA with swinging the election for George Bush by costing Al Gore his home state of Tennessee. It was around that time that Democrats, as a party, effectively gave up on gun control. Obama, during his first two years, signed laws allowing guns in national parks and on checked baggage on trains. In 2010 he was graded "F" by gun control group Brady Campaign. The NRA has not won the argument - only a tiny percentage believe, like the NRA, that controls are too strict and a plurality want to make them stricter - but they do keep on winning the votes.
Halfway through the session a slide displays the four people they consider the most important obstacles to their cause. Obama, Hillary Clinton (sitting in front of a United Nations flag), Eric Holder, Obama's black attorney general, and Sonia Sotomayor, the Latina supreme court judge. All, by their titles, are legitimate targets for the NRA. And yet one could not help sense the symbolic significance. Two women and three people of colour in positions of authority, in a country where women are becoming more politically assertive and white people will be in a minority in 30 years, looking down on a room of overwhelmingly ageing white men defending their right to bear arms.
The NRA is not entirely certain what to do with its partial success. Partly it keeps pushing for laws that would expand the places where guns might be carried, including churches, bars and college campuses (it supports a group called Students for Concealed Carry). Partly, it opposes even the most basic controls, such as legislation to ban gun sales to people on the government's terrorist watchlist, meaning a suspected terrorist can be denied the right to board a plane but not to buy a gun.
This has left the NRA with a problem. Now the Democrats have caved and the supreme court has a pro-gun majority, it simply has no worthy enemy. No one at the convention can point to a single concrete piece of legislation from the White House that they didn't like. Instead, they simply raise the spectre of an Obama second term. Unfettered by the need to stand again, he will come for your guns. There is absolutely nothing, beyond his right to appoint people to the Supreme Court and beyond, to suggest this is true. But there is nothing to prove it couldn't be either.
In Missouri, says Oxford, one representative attempted to add gun ownership to the list of protected categories alongside race, gender and disability so that no gun owner could be discriminated against in employment. "We asked her if she knew anyone that had ever happened to," says Oxford. "She didn't."
It is this fear, of the unknown and the known, both manufactured, exploited and real, that hangs over the convention. Time and again people paint scenarios in which I or my family might be attacked, threatened or in some way violated as a rationale for arming myself. In this atmosphere, Richardson's evocation of Rwanda, while extreme, is not entirely ludicrous.
"Ultimately it comes down to whether you trust other people or not," says one gun control activist. "We do, they don't." The ideas that the government might protect you, that the police might come, that if nobody had guns then nobody would need to worry about being shot, are laughed away. "By the time you call the police it could be too late," says Britt, who has never had to pull a gun on anyone but has had to make it clear he might a few times. "All they can do is write the report." When the breakfast is over I tell Britt that I am heading into town to see some people. "Be careful," he says. "St Louis is a very dangerous place."
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Legitimate function of government is to protect the inherent rights of the people - not to treat the people as government property.
I tried before - but it was not posted.
Imagine how different history would have been had 6 million German Jews been armed in the late 1930's through early 1940's
And if they had all been rmed, down to the last infant, they'd still have been outgunned (and likely gunned down) by a determined Nazi Party.
http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/wayment1.htm
England's attempt to violate the right to keep and bear arms of the people of Massachusetts was "the last straw," causing the Revolutionary War.[54] David Hackett Fisher's book, Paul Revere's Ride, is an excellent sequential account of the beginning of the Revolutionary War in Massachusetts.[ 55] In this history, Fisher explains that in the aftermath of the Boston Tea Party, Parliament enacted the Coercive Acts which called for such things as closing the port of Boston, restricting the local town governments by curtailing their town meetings, creating a new system of courts in the colony, and lastly, revoking the Massachusetts Charter which was the form of government created by the people of that colony.[56] The outraged citizens [Page 213] of Massachusetts referred to the Coercive Acts as the "Intolerable Acts," and began to openly defy this new set of laws.[57]
As a result of this resistance, the British government began efforts to disarm the colonists to prevent war.[58] To achieve this result, Parliament banned all exports of muskets and ammunition to the colonies.[59] To further Parliament's aim, General Thomas Gage, the commander in chief of the British Army and the Royal Governor of Massachusetts, planned to prevent war by removing from Yankee hands the means of violent resistance.[60] More below
Hence, the Minutemen were more than willing to contend with the British Army as it marched to Lexington and Concord in an attempt to disarm the rebellious patriots.[63] Despite their resulting debacle in this operation, General Gage and the British Army soon succeeded in disarming the individual citizens of Boston,[64] and this in turn helped to persuade the rest of the colonies to enter the war. On July 6, 1775, in its Declaration of Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms, the Continental Congress specifically mentioned the disarmament of the citizens of Boston as one of the reasons to take up arms against the British.[65]
The main reason to own and kep weapons is against your own government when it has taken a course against your rights... Stop buying into the false flag syndrome...if we are to remain free we must also have the means to remain free!
If Klans men were doing that action I would want them prosecuted as well.
Really - Is the government giving them a free pass too?
Apparently at least 5 readers here think the Klan should be able to threaten voters.
Well said, Rainphase. Just a few more
points:
1. The Gun Lobby has put so much fear into legislators that they're paralyzed. One of the surviving victims of the VA Tech massacre, now a member of the Brady Campaign against Gun Violence, was on Capitol Hill today. He tried to get Congressmen to put forth an amendment that would keep guns out of the hands of:
o Convicted felons;
o Those convicted of domestic violence;
o Terrorists; and...
o People determined to be seriously mentally ill.
ALL he talked to - Republicans and Democrats, male and female - agreed that these people SHOULD NOT HAVE WEAPONS. But, to a person, they were AFRAID to introduce his amendment!
2. If you give the 2nd Amendment a good read and realize when it was ratified (1791), you'll understand that it was meant to allow us to "keep and bear arms" in SUPPORT of our government - not in OPPOSITION to our government as Gun Rights advocates would have you believe. Article I, Section 8 further defines the role of the MILITIA.
3. Those who think they can take up arms against the government have forgotten the lessons of the Branch Davidians and the MOVE organization in Philadelphia. Sure you can make a splash for as long as the military will allow it, but then you'd better go home.
I beg to differ...the Constitution was written SOLELY as a limiting factor on government as it states what the government CANNOT do...per the hallowed words of the Declaration of Independance "when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the Object evinces as design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their DUTY, to throw off such Government..."
The present day parallels between the Brits back then and our rulers by theft today are undenaible...an d as I've stated previously on this thread, the shear number of weapons demands that authorities think twice before becoming overt with force.
Doubt nothing question everything for nothing is simple and little is true
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--Tha t to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"
The Second Amendment was added to the Bill of Rights to insure we had the ability...
"The United States is the country with the highest rate of civilian gun ownership in the world. (The second highest is Yemen, where the rate is nevertheless only half that of the U.S.) No civilian population is more powerfully armed."
They think it's a bad thing. But it is the ONLY reason we are still somewhat free. What kills more people than firearms?
(1) preventable medical mistakes in hospitals.
(2) self abuse (smoking, obesity, drugs, suicide)
(3) automobiles/vehicles
(4) falls - ladders/windows (yes, WINDOWS!)
(5) disease (flu, AIDS)
(6) table saws
(7) parental abuse/neglect
(8) stupidity
(9) hope/prayer (waiting for the police or FD to come and save you.)
(10) temperature extremes/natura l disasters
wow how dare you use common sense...lol
I cheer gun rights, and I do not trust those frothing with hysteria aimed at infringing those rights.
Considering we live in a country with a population exceeding 300 million, the number of gun deaths a year, especially, deaths resulting from a stranger doing armed assault, are small and even miniscule.
Centers of gang and drug related activity, probably should be overseen with intensity regarding guns. The vast majority, like probably 99% of gun owners do not kill people...to consider the call for disarming the US population is absolutely wrong and dizzy with over emotional reaction.
why doe it have to be progressives against conservatives on this issue?
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/National_News_2/Secret_ties_between_CIA_drugs_revealed_2625.shtml
http://ndsn.org/oct96/ciadrugs.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/secret_war.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Ross_(drug_trafficker)
http://www.mega.nu/ampp/webb.html
http://chasthuglife.blogspot.com/?view=classic Control the bullets the same why a pharmacy controls perscriptions and the gun becomes just another tool to be used only when needed. google Chris Rcok + gun control.
First thing dictatorships or fascists or those who desire dominance do is take away a persons defenses...thin k about it.
About 20% - 25% of the US casualties in Iraq came from small arms fire. That is a significant percentage. It seems to me that the most common weapon among the Iraqis is the AK-47. The AK fires a wimpy, half-power round. It is very weak even compared to a 30-06, which is probably the most common deer rifle in the USA. The 30-06 is wimpy compared to some of the rifles that are in the hands of Americans. One person who wrote a book on police firearm self-defense said there are people in the USA with weapons that will shoot through ANYTHING.
It won't Billy. But the government is not physically attacking us in our own homes or the Walmart parking lot. Like these people:
http://chasthuglife.blogspot.com/?view=classic Control the bullets the same why a pharmacy controls perscriptions and the gun becomes just another tool to be used only when needed. google Chris Rcok + gun control.
But carrying a gun or wearing it in public places is a separate issue and in my opinion should properly be regulated by local laws.
A third issue is firing a gun at a person, this must be tightly regulated by criminal law. We must be careful to define when this action may or may not be permitted.
and democratic Europe:
No money in politics,
No guns,
No death penalty,
Universal healthcare.
W O W !! What a difference that makes.
1. France has very liberal gun ownership laws more so than the US.
2.Spain legal to hunt.
3.Italy legal to hunt
4.England legal to hunt.
If you really believe that money has no effect on politics in any country than you are silly.
Several european countries have the death penalty for capial murder they just dont exercise it.
Universal healthcare is not a cure all, ask immigrnats in France from former french colonies and see what thier benefits are.
But we Americans seem to have a strange craving for guns and violence. I've wondered if on one level it is a manhood thing for men who see their guns as an extension of their sexual potency. For women, I sense they are looking for some greater measure of protection from assault and fear is a real factor. Otherwise the NRA and the gun industry want to make money and people want to play with these things. That play can be deadly.
JIMMY423: "If you really want to watch this country descend into total chaos, take away the law abiding citizens right to defend themselves."
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Ummm . . . uh . . . really? So can you give me a list of countries which have descended into "total chaos" because, unlike us, they don't have enough guns to arm 90% of their population? Okay, I'll make it easier, just one country . . . name ONE country who has experienced "total chaos" because every citizen isn't armed like some wannabee gangsta' or mercenary.
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I agree on one thing. Guns don't kill people; only freakin' IDIOTS kill people. Easy access to guns just makes it a LOT easier for them to do so. If you are ever in the presence of a seriously bad guy? I mean a REAL bad guy -- so very UNlike how they are portrayed on TV? You'll never know it until it's too late. Pulling your gun will just make it easier for him to shoot you -- with your own gun no less. Who says there isn't cosmic justice in this world? In the meantime, try real hard to not 'accidentally' shoot any of your grandkids. (It happens.)
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If you all really really want to curb gun violence then it is time to end the insane war on Drugs that fuels the lions share of this -- From the Fast and Furious down to the picayune turf wars on St Louis streets.
In other words, what is the number of gun related incidents between registered gun owners and non-registered gun owners?
I could agree w/anything proposed. 3-day waiting period? I have all I need now, I can wait 3 days (or 2 weeks). 1 gun a month? I cannot afford to buy one gun a month (but if they pass it, I'll feel it's my patriotic duty to do so. :)) No more full-auto? Practically there, they are so expensive, I'm trying to sell mine.
I would accept any/all those proposals - provided, we agree that's the last restriction. If it does not solve gun crime, tough. Try loosening controls.
But the Brady bunch would never agree to that. They will not be satisfied until every legal gun is confiscated and destroyed. Until every honest, law abiding citizen is dis-armed. At that point, truly the only people w/guns will be criminals.
NRA lobbying campaigns are really marketing campaigns for guns. The NRA is the marketing trade association for the gun manufacturers.
They don't care how many outgunned police and innocent bystanders are killed and maimed by this marketing campaign.
They don't care how many more suicides they enable.
And they certainly don't care how much more tax revenue must be devoted to TSA-type inspections for public buildings, and to upgrade the police firepower and protective vests (Google AZ S.B. 2729)
Right now all the gun manufacturers in the US are flooded with orderes due to "the President is coming to get your guns craziness" which is inflamed not by the NRA in asmuch as by local and state laws pertaining where yu live.
The NRA is no more powerful than the NAACP or ACLU which no one likes to admit.
Out gunned police officers are outclassed by illegal weapons to begin with, not magic unicorn inspired shipments from no where.
There are legally owned guns & illegally owned guns. The vast majority of guns used in crimes are illegal guns. So of course it stands to reason to attack the legally owned guns.
There is no impact on criminal activity because no one is paying attention to the illegal guns. Heck, we have an administration that makes them available to criminal cartels.
If this, or any administration, seriously targets illegal weapons then gun control could become a reality. What we have today is hypocrisy - nothing more.
I'm much more afraid of the person on the road texting their friends than my neighbor who might have a gun.
We are a gun society, many uneducated on the dangers of gun ownership. I'd like to see a more concentrated educational program for first-time gun buyers and a requirement that you know how to use
it correctly and that you prove that, at a range, and increase the level of safety and awareness of the responsibility of owning a gun. There are lots of ways to hurt other people, guns are just one, and probably a small one in the big picture.
Lock them up, learn to use them and respect what they can do. The horse is out of the barn on this one, education
and safety are what counts. Increased gun laws will just create more felons
who have yet to be arrested, most of which are law-abiding citizens.
I'm not an NRA member but they seem to be working in this direction and I think that's good. One issue is that we have so many different laws in different places that it's hard to know what's legal and what's not.
Be safe,they are not toys.
Read--
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/10/us-gun-crime-gabrielle-giffords-jared-lee-loughner
"On a federal level, since Barack Obama entered the White House in January 2009 the US has moved backwards on gun control. His election prompted a sudden surge in sales of guns...
The president has made no attempt to revive the ban on assault weapons that Bill Clinton introduced and George Bush allowed to lapse in 2004. If he had, Loughner wouldn't have been able to carry his Glock 19 loaded with 30 bullets, all of which he fired within a matter of seconds. He probably still would have shot his target, Giffords, but he wouldn't have taken the life of six others and wounded 14 more.
Instead, Obama has allowed, on his watch, guns to be carried for the first time in the US's national parks. He has watched as the courts have stripped Washington and Chicago – two cities troubled by high gun crimerates – of their stringent controls on handguns."
Might there just be a connection to the citizenry and arms psychology involved with our heaviest industry?
1. The UK Gaurdian is the same newspaper that advocated disarming the police force of Britain (worked really well in your riots last year)
2. The assualt weapons ban wouls have no effect since it was for so called :assualt rifles" not pistols.
Please keep your comments in the KNOW for your own country,
So the Supreme Court re-afirming that the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution pertains the "all citizens" of the United States isn't good enough?
"Right to Bear Arms
Section 21
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."
That was written and approved by Quakers see Pennsylvania State Constitution.
Get real, fight what is really affecting the huge majority of Americans, help them out, guns kill a few, our habits, foods, drugs and stupidity kills thousands.
The gun manufacturers flood the market with more guns than there are potential legal gun purchasers, guaranteeing that more guns will go to criminal elements (here and in Mexico), and to the mentally unbalanced. They exploit the membership of the NRA (most of whom sincerely believe that their hunting rifles, their marksmanship handguns, and their "walking at night in the city" protective handguns are about to be taken away by malevolent government authorities). They and the leaders of the NRA are as close to being evil as one can be without "officially" signing away their souls to the Devil.
The NRA might have it's extreme wing that screams when the windblows but it focuses it's main attention to federal laws. ALL legal gun owners are concerned about stand your grounbd laws as thats the very reason we bought them.
The NRA has nothing to do with "pumping up" gun production anymore than GM does producing cars.
Article 16th. Right to bear arms; standing armies; military power subordinate to civil
That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State - and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power.
Vermont has some of the most lenient gun laws in the US, yet, our streets are safer than most states. The truth is, restricting gun ownership makes it easier for a government to trample the rights of the citizens. I am hardly a right winger, I support the immediate closure of Vermont Yankee, the labeling of GMO's, Universal health care as a basic human right, ending corporate personhood, ending corporate welfare for non sustainable businesses; but, as Vermont has proven, lenient gun laws do not equal rises in violent crime. Gun laws do not prevent criminals from possessing guns, nor do they lower violence, whereas, laws which carry draconian penalties for using firearms in the commission of a crime are effective deterrents, and yet retain the basic principles of liberty.
There is a big disconnect with the folks who call themselves Christians and what they really want -- which is dead folks riddled with bullets. Which is what we got.
you don't have to be christian and own a gun, no to mention that believing only that Christianity is the dominant religion in the world with your belief's subjective to nother religion
If guns were retooled to look like vaginas few guys would pick one up and point it at anyone.
Real guys like that over large fully loaded phallus --tho they'll never admit.
Hence, the Minutemen were more than willing to contend with the British Army as it marched to Lexington and Concord in an attempt to disarm the rebellious patriots.[63] Despite their resulting debacle in this operation, General Gage and the British Army soon succeeded in disarming the individual citizens of Boston,[64] and this in turn helped to persuade the rest of the colonies to enter the war. On July 6, 1775, in its Declaration of Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms, the Continental Congress specifically mentioned the disarmament of the citizens of Boston as one of the reasons to take up arms against the British.[65]
The main reason to own and kep weapons is against your own government when it has taken a course against your rights... Stop buying into the false flag syndrome...if we are to remain free we must also have the means to remain free!
Individuals who perpetuate crime with guns are essentially cowards. Guns inflict mortal damage with little effort, just pulling a trigger. Just like that ... a life is taken.
When it is easy to procure a gun the mentally unstable, the cowards and the drug runners and criminal types take over.
We all are outraged by the Mexican drug war around and south of our borders. The key element that provides the killing resources are the easy access to guns IN THE USA.
Quote from a media report >> "MEXICO CITY -- About 70 percent of the guns seized in Mexico and submitted to a U.S. gun-tracing program came from the United States, according to a report released by three U.S. senators Monday." How ridiculous that we beat up on the Mexicans for the drug trade when WE supply them wth the resources.
How can having a gun in one's possession save us from the 'crazies' when we should start with tighter gun control and restircting access.
Do we seriouly want to escalate our country into one of violence and man to man shoot outs!
Of course I talk about CULTURAL
differences. I thought that was obvious.
JIMMY423: "And it's working its way into every major US city."
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And the paranoia underneath the foundation of all this pro-gun nonsense reveals its true colors.
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Guns are really expensive. A typical 9mm semi-auto can cost almost $1000. If someone actually uses it, bullets can cost almost a dollar each. What a stupid way to blow off a lot of money.
The gun manufacturers and their chief marketing company, the NRA, are laughing all the way to the bank. They've gotten into designing guns like fashion items -- pink ones for women, ugly vicious looking ones for men.
Never Forget all those countries who disarmed their people and killed millions within decades after the fact.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
This type of scenario is often repeated in history, and is difficult to find records of... I wonder why?
I am of Japanese decent. Yes some of us behaved badly during the Second World War. Again that was the GOVERNMENT, Tokyo! Not the ordinary Japanese people (Same holds true for Nazi Germany). These people were under DURESS under a FASCIST DICTATORSHIP and were FORCED to comply! They did NOT do so willingly!
That will happen in America as well, if these gun totting idiots go around threatening everyone!
I am going back to Japan soon -- to a modern post-war CIVILISED country! Japan has STRICT limitations on just who may own or possess a weapon! I AM ONE THOUSAND PERCENT IN FAVOUR OF THIS RESTRICTION! Japan is NOT a violent country! Even with the very small percentage who are members of the Yakuza, even that organisation has been moving away from senseless killing and into extortion, pornography, prostitution et al. For the most part Japan is a VERY tame and civilised country! That is MY mentality, a CIVILISED SOCIETY, a COLLECTIVE society! That is today's Japan!
America is too violent, sayonara America!
Having lost my youngest sibling (age 15) to gun violence I know the pain and sadness that comes when someone so young is taken away from this earth in such a violent way.
Reading all of these posts it seems that there is a lot of fear out there and not a whole lot of love and compassion emanating from our hearts.
No matter what situation I am in I would never carry a gun nor ever use one. I could never live with myself knowing that I took someone's life even if it was for self defense.
My life here on this earth plane is impermanent We are all mortals and we will all die. I'd like to spend my short time here being peaceful, mindful and fearless. When we live fearlessly there is no need to arm ourselves and live like we are in a prison.
I feel sorry for those people who live their short lives with so much hate, distrust, disdain, racism, violence and most of all FEAR.
"This banal iteration conveniently ignores the fact that people can kill people far easier with guns than almost anything else and that, ""in a country with high levels of inequality, poverty and segregation, such as America, they are more likely to do so."""
Just wondering...
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