Marcotte writes: "Rep. Paul Ryan, now a nominee for Vice President, has a long history of speaking of women as if they are non-sentient beings, while seemingly imbuing even fertilized eggs with the sentience he won't grant women."
Republican vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan speaks during a town-hall meeting campaign stop in Manchester, New Hampshire, 08/20/12 (photo: Reuters)
She's Just an Easy-Bake Oven
27 August 12
he good news about the Rep. Todd Akin situation is that it genuinely seems to have raised the public's awareness of how much the anti-choice movement is rooted not in some love of fetal life, but in a profound misogyny that focuses heavily on fear of female sexuality. Akin's ready assumption that women frequently lie about rape to cover up their sexual adventures was a perfect example of the demonized view of female sexual liberty driving the anti-choice movement, one that has very little relation to how women actually act in the world. But the exposure of the ugly, misogynist heart of the anti-choice movement might come at a price: Other dehumanizing, ugly attitudes towards women expressed by anti-choicers might seem more moderate by comparison.
For instance, Rep. Paul Ryan, now a nominee for vice president, has a long history of using incredibly dehumanizing language towards women and speaking of women as if they are non-sentient beings, while seemingly imbuing even fertilized eggs with the sentience he won't grant women. Even though he's no doubt been strongly coached to try to at least mimic compassion for women, the notion that women have internal lives and experiences that matter just doesn't seem to factor into his discussion of reproductive rights. Instead, he just falls back on talking about women as if they're nothing but flesh-bound ovens to cook male heirs. Which, naturally, led to the same kind of minimization of rape that Akin is accused of engaging in.
During an interview with WJHL this week, Ryan was asked his view about Rep. Todd Akin, who recently asserted that women could not get pregnant from "legitimate rape."
"Specifically where you stand when it comes to rape, and when it comes to the issue of should it be legal for a woman to be able to get an abortion if she's raped?" WJHL reporter Josh Smith wondered.
"I'm very proud of my pro-life record, and I've always adopted the idea that, the position that the method of conception doesn't change the definition of life," Ryan explained. "But let's remember, I'm joining the Romney-Ryan ticket. And the president makes policy."
As usual, he struggles to even acknowledge women. Rape is just a "method of conception," relegating women to the means of conception, instead of, you know, people whose experiences, hopes, and fears actually matter. He might as well be talking about cooking eggs. Some people scramble eggs and some people make omelets, but no matter the method of cooking, it's still eggs! Ryan may accept that perhaps raping isn't the preferred method of sperm delivery to the vessel, but at the end of the day, the only thing that really matters is that the sperm got delivered and that the vessel not be allowed a say in the matter.
At least Todd Akin granted women enough agency to be considered liars. Ryan doesn't seem to have even given that much thought to the proposition that women have minds working behind their eyeballs.
When talking about rape, the ugliness and dehumanization of women is much more obvious to the public, but it's important to understand that this utter unwillingness to see women as people - instead of just Easy Bake ovens that make people - is shot throughout anti-choice sentiment.
Fundamentally, the debate over abortion is a debate over what we make of the fact that some of us in this world can have babies. For pro-choicers, "being able to make babies" is a nifty thing to be able to do, like being able to play the piano or being able to bake pies. It's your skill, your ability. You should use it how you like. We would no more force a woman to make a baby because she can than insist that someone who can play the piano drop everything they're doing at a moment's notice to play because we want them to.
For anti-choicers, the fact that someone can make a baby means that making babies is what she is for. People mistake the term "objectification" to mean "looking at with lust," but what it actually means is "reducing someone to an object to be used." Sexual objectification is assuming that because women turn you on, they are for sex, instead of a person whose sexuality should be an expression of their agency. What anti-choicers engage in is reproductive objectification. Women are among an array of objects to be used. The refrigerator is for storing food. The bookshelf is for holding books. The woman is for making babies. You no more give her a choice in the matter than you would give your refrigerator veto power over what food it holds because it didn't like your method of shopping.
What we need is for people to sit up and really listen to language like "method of conception," and not just because it minimizes rape, but because it's part of a larger way of perceiving women as nothing but vessels. We denounce the pseudo-science and magical thinking that led Akin to claim that rape can't cause pregnancy, but this entire perception of women is also based in magical thinking. The unwillingness to see that women are fully present human beings, instead of baby factories that were unwittingly given the right to vote, also defies basic scientific understanding.
It's not like the evidence is inconclusive to draw the conclusion that women are people with subjective experiences, just like men. Women have basically been telling the world this since the beginning of time, no matter how much pressure is put on them by patriarchy to instead act like compliant robots that shoot out heirs. Women have always expressed feelings, created art, and had dreams. Women communicate their personhood all the damn time. Anti-choicers just simply refuse to see the evidence in front of them, instead projecting all this sentience onto embryos that don't actually have any feelings or thoughts. The inability of the anti-choice movement to see reality is about a lot more than their misunderstanding of how human reproduction works; it's the very foundation of their entire worldview that relegates thinking, feeling, communicating women to the status of inanimate objects.
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Go back and read the article again--please.
In my opinion you got it exactly right
But I'm curious... in what universe is a fetus capable of making any choice? Certainly not this one.
Pregnancy and childbirth have been for women the traditional equivalent of military service for men. Both require people to risk their lives for the good of the whole (presumably!), and there have been times when it was necessary to compel this service. It is no longer necessary however, and no one should be compelled to risk their lives, either through compulsory military service, or compulsory childbearing. Not all men will be good soldiers. Not all women will be good mothers. We do not need more war, and God knows we do not need more people. What we need more than ever is a sustainable birth rate and infrastructure, and cooperation among all people to save our beloved planet. Once we get this clearly in focus, we will be able to move into a healthier dynamic and the issue will die.
I do hope you are right that future generations can come away from the need for competition between who God make better. Until we can rise above our dissent, we will continually need to label everything.
The rights of the woman should not be superseded by a zygote or fetus.
The "pro-choice" position is that a woman has a CHOICE-- so your comment is the usual anti-choice meme.
You have absolutely no right whatsoever to tell any woman what is her right to decide on her own private health issues. That's between her and her physician.
If DNA is fully effectual as determinant of the microscopic fetus' physical details, the Constitutional status of the future baby takes on the qualifications of Constitutional protection, as in, "Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness. Could be, Caesareans, not abortions will be an acceptable means of transplanting a fetus to a nurturing environment?
Science makes case regarding personhood, catching up with religion, as science tends to do. Battles in the Supreme Court ebb and flow until the evidence, not hopeful thinking and political correctness prevail. Kneejerk if you like, where do you think the discourse finally arrives?
The seriousness of life has as much to do with careless use of reproductive organs as many other cases where life and death may be determined by deliberate or accidental behavior. Chain of custody (care of the child after birth) concept is part of the solution set. State denial of abortion implies government responsibility of unwanted babies...
Soon, events in the Middle East, Climate Change, Energy and resource supplies will get back to the political arena, and the constant fooling around over sexual behaviors and consequences will simply not seem important enough to dominate.
Semantic arguments about "future potential" rely on religion to make them work.
Your side of the argument relies on the ability of a minority to impose its religious opinions on others who disagree.
False. The exact opposite is true. Religion catches up with science. Apparently you have never heard of Galileo.
Give your head a shake and see what falls out.
I think I have just seen the ultimate in absurdly asinine remarks. Congratulations , it seems we have an all-time winner. That one will be difficult to top.
Your god is. From 25 to 50% of all pregnancies end in spontaneous abortions. If you sincerely believe your god controls everything, he must be responsible for this. When are you going to start picketing god?
When you start deciding to open women up and take kids out, will you then just let the mother die because she refused to deliver these children or child or dead eggs which they could be? Because that could very well be the mentality in that future you speak of. It has been done I am sure.
Religion I do not believe there is much Religion left. I believe it has come undone..it is only a money environment now. Power Play. Religion like Politics have no business in anyone' decision making.
You want children, go have them, go adopt them but let us women alone. We do not have to follow, and most will not follow Lunatics
Birth control or very early post conception birth control (the morning after pill) are MUCH better solutions than abortion, and despite the continued opposition of the hard Right, who basically don't want people having fun, although they'd never admit that was their driving force, are acceptable to very close to all people on moral and ethical grounds.
As for the rest of your argument, only idiots ever thought that fetuses were going to become dogs or pigs -- that isn't a real issue, some extremists on the pro-choice side MIGHT come up with something like that, but no one treats them seriously, just like no one really treats "abortion is murder" seriously. Of course fetuses are human - and again, careless or not, just use birth control.
As for energy and climate change - oh yes, they will, and they will further stress the need to reduce population - perhaps before you think.
I sure DO think the right wing ONLY care about the fetus, for they CONSTANTLY refuse help to mothers, healthcare for children, help to young women in college....a number of them are mothers trying to educate themselves to better care for their children
Caring about our citizens with disabilities is MOST certainly PRO LIFE. But the right wing are ONLY interested the fetus.
To me that is a simple matter of wanting POWER OVER a WOMAN. NO BETTER THAN A RAPIST WANTING POWER OVER HER.
I BET you didn't think about THAT.
Any woman should have the right to terminate a pregnancy, It is HER body and a pregnancy can impact her life negatively, and make it very difficult for her to reach the goals she has set for herself.
If for instance she is going to college or if she already has a child or children, and simply is not able to care for more at this point, then it is HER decision, NOBODY else
I have a feeling that republicans WANT her to have the baby for... BAD WOMAN,... you had sex, now here's your punishment. Many republicans are so repressed sexually and if they are also Catholics it is a double whammy. SEX is dirty. Now you PAY??
I find it hard to understand, unless their aim is to totally repress women.
it is very difficult for a single mother to work outside her home AND also do a good job BRINGING UP HER CHILD.
I realize some of you will disagree with me when I say, that many children get in trouble, falling behind in school or scrapes with the law, because their mother can not be everywhere. It is hard to enforce, YOU ARE GROUNDED, when you have to be at work.
Other children DO have two parents, but again they have to work, and so they give the children too much STUFF, because they feel guilty about not being home enough
The sad truth is that far too many children do not get the attention and help they need.
So if a woman feel unable to take on the responsibility of bearing and caring for a child. It is HER RIGHT to decide to end the pregnancy.
There are too many children
They are indeed the American Taliban. Like their ideological peers, their next step, of course, is to accuse and imprison the rape victim for inciting the rape...just as they want to prosecute women for miscarriages.
They're probably totally bummed that witch burning went out of fashion.
I made a correction to an earlier paragraph, and accidentally clicked, send before I could delete : there are too many children
Then they started when birth control became more available to women, families.
Jealousy is not a reason to hate women for doing necessary things so they can live thru Rape, with certain death if carry full term. Selfish Rich Kids were and probably still are the ones having abortions...the ir parents could afford it. Poor, Middle Class could not afford it whether monetarily or religiously in many cases. They lived in past in their assumption of shame and the kid with the kid suffered psychological scars due to such antiquated beliefs.
Now it is a Platform. It is a Power Play. If every one wants a child so bad than go take those fosters kids in, adopt children with health problems. These children are no less children of God or whomever.
No these children will go thru hell, see glimpses of hope .... and the fight against women abortion or taking birth control will continue. It has been very much so since the fifties. Now it has nothing to do with saving the life of mother or child, keeping mom alive for her family It is a Political Agenda and I count phony Religion as nothing but Political Agendas It is all about Control, Money
You prove the author's point by leaving the personhood of the woman out of your argument as well. If a pregnant woman believes she cannot give a child all that a child needs to grow to be a happy, productive adult, it is HER choice, and hers alone, to abort the pregnancy. In an overcrowded world, (see story below on food shortages,) this is absolutely necessary. But in any event, it is the woman who chooses.
Now if you want to petition to amend the Constitution specifically to prohibit the church from influencing the state, I ask only that you allow me to be first to sign.
If the state wants to use religion to make laws IT IS unconstitutiona l and it HAS ALWAYS been viewed that way since the Constitution was first written.
-Thomas Jefferson (1802) (in a letter to Connecticutt Baptists)
It's pretty clear how JEFFERSON interpreted it.
But Pro Choice Adults have given consideration of Birth, Child, raising from the beginning thru. Pro Life do not think, they are told what to say from birth.
They whole thing is what does a man have to do with our body... These men want to treat us like slugs then they have no say and should never been allowed to have children of their own. Most of these sorts only want Males, a world of Males only Guess that could be a Homosexuals Dream Come True even a pedophile's
I believe we have lots of closet queens in the GOP. I never met so many hateful men of women in such a Party except among Gay Men. Gay Old Perverts a whole new ring.
Men esp gays are jealous of women, and our closeness to God, our ability to have children. They forget in their rage, that we know we need to work together on the conception, women have no problem with it. Men have the problems and do not yet want to deal with them like men. They instead resort to low life mentality. Akins and Ryan are finally the Role Models of what we should be away from Men who hate and abuse women. One needs not raise a hand to be abusive...attit ude, words, are just as damaging
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11437628
Men left the women to the women. Mormons definitely in their conditioning of still meeting in private, no woman's opinion ...scares that religion out of me.
Lil Girls were the cutesy items that came to play, show off for company. Opinions, wow rich I know didn't think women had any opinions except on shopping. I was lucky since my family never had such biasedness towards women
It is not about any moral imperative. It is more people, more soldiers for the wars, more demands for products and services--more, more, more. Why if women were not prevailed upon to have all the children humanly possible it might put a dent in corporate PROFITS. That's what's really at stake.
And if you think about it, you could easily make the argument that established churches are no more than religious corporations.
My point: not only does this report describe the misogynist party-within-th e-party and provide a "reality check', but it underscores just how obsessed the campaign messaging machine is with trying to re-shape the overwhelming reality, and paint a "typical normal life" image. (Do you believe it? Can 3 days re-invent him?)
Ryan's healthcare goal is notable for the harm it would do to seniors (yes, the next generations, aka today's voters). And women? "No healthcare for you!" No "choice". It's not part of the Rand-Ryan plan which further enriches the 1%'s 400 families, while taking our country in a draconian leap backward , imposing social engineering and questionable rather than fixing roads or schools. Or the economy. They're quite the duo! Toxic assets in the truest sense.
But no worries, beams Ryan, it only effects generations to come...
The clearest, most concise yet.
When we use language to communicate, we must learn that words matter.
Her suggestion is right on the mark:
"What we need is for people to sit up and really listen to language like "method of conception,"
I often wish for the power to put the likes of a Paul Ryan, into a lockable device I call a truth chair. Similar to a lie detector, this chair would force the occupant to be logical, rational and objective. One could not mince words, obfuscate or dilly-dally (a very precise, linguistic term).
Once locked in the chair I would debate him. I would ask him to defend his stated position, that if one is not pro-life, one is anti-life. He can't, and thus loses that argument forever. STRIKE 1!
Next, I would hit him with the fact that the opposite of pro-choice is anti-choice. He would argue this point, but being in the truth chair, he would lose. STRIKE 2!
Ergo, if he is NOT pro-choice, he is anti-choice. I would bombard him with the following facts:
If he CHOOSES to own a gun, he is pro-choice.
If he CHOOSES to be a Republican, he is pro-choice.
If he CHOOSES to have milk with his coffee, he is pro-choice.
If he CHOOSES to be a jerk, he is pro-choice.
STRIKE 3! He's out!
I release him from the chair, a pro-choice advocate and proven hypocrite.
He resigns & opens up a free abortion clinic in Plainsville.
Remember......If men had to give birth, abortion would be a sacrament.
To me it's clear that Ryan regards women with the same disdain and contempt with which he regards all of the "lower classes." That is as nothing more than tools to be used, then discarded when they no longer serve their (in his mind) purpose.
ELecting this elitist jerk to anything would be a mistake far larger than electing George W. Bush twice.
The women clones...well they are voting like they actually know what they are doing yet do not have a clue that they are supposed to represent woman and child point of view. Clones stayed too male after all they do not want Clones to have thoughts of their own.
Just asking.
Now please explain where I am wrong about how right wing society supports the offspring of a rape and its mother once the child takes its first breath?
And women who go along with such base ideas have no respect for themselves as full human beings.
I think Ayn Rand's rigidity, for example, appeals mostly to young males who've had sand kicked in their face at the beach by macho bullies. Ideological toughness makes them feel strong, even tough. "I'm am not a wimp!" "I DEMAND an End to subsidies for others.....who aren't rich." "See! I'm a real man!"
They fear their emotional vulnerability, overcompensate with a strange form of masculinity: the ideological tough guy, "Bring it on." Since they fear women, they double down on rigidity.
So what can we do besides talk to each other? We need to learn how to preach to more than 'the choir,' of which we're already members. We need to frame the content of this article's message in a more concise and factual manner and get it out beyond our own borders: good editing would get rid of all the "just's" and "really's" and other words which are meant to emphasize, but which only serve to sound immature and ineffectual.
I agree with Joris that hate is not going to play - rather we need to speak truth to misogyny. Work from facts, and from love for women and all humankind, which can't survive without our whole selves.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--Tha t to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it........
I think we are missing this. Plus the 'separation of church and state' would not be valid if the Republicans win. Mormons are notorious for subjugating women. Govt has been doing the same for years, making insurance pay for Viagara but not birth control. I could go on, but you get the idea. NO ONE should be able to tell you what to do with your body. How many men would be up in arms if we voted to castrate rapists? My husband wouldn't even let me get our male dog 'fixed' because it 'wasn't right'
The RedNeckers want to be so classified that is their way.
Normons are just now being looked at but we have Many Religions that consider us the Lil Lady.
For the record, my religious opinions HAVE NO PLACE in government (if the First Amendment to the Constitution means anything). It's none of my business what others do, because my only argument against their decision would be religious. I'm a Catholic, which ALSO means that I think NOTHING is a sin unless the person engaging in it BELIEVES it's a sin. The Pope even believes ATHEISTS can go to Heaven. THAT'S a lot more liberal than most religious nuts who want to impose their beliefs with the cooperation of the American government.
I really think abortion is a horrible (in fact, cardinal) sin. I also KNOW it's none of my business. It BECOMES my business (and EVERYONE ELSE'S who loves the concept of "America") when people try to impose their religious opinions on others.
Catholics should understand that state-sponsored religion wouldn't work in our favor anyway. Catholicism is a minority opinion.
Here we all are trying to decipher Equality.
My mom is in her mid-80s, a VERY devout Catholic, pro-life AND pro-choice as I explained that I am, and follows the news closely.
She told me she read that many nuns are "bitter" about the fact that even deacons can do most of the things a priest can do, yet they can't.
Her response was, "WHY SHOULDN'T THEY BE BITTER ABOUT IT?" I had never even thought about it before that conversation. Deacons are primarily married men who came into the ministry after having other careers and children. My brother is one.
On the other hand, NUNS HAVE DEVOTED THEIR WHOLE LIVES to God from the beginning. Many of them have taken pretty extreme vows. Most of them are directly involved in the care for society's least fortunate. What more qualification could they possibly have for the priesthood.
I don't think the Catholic Church will ever become pro-choice (for Catholics). I don't mind that. I AM a Catholic. But, I GUARANTEE it will eventually be filled with women priests. And, when that day comes, expect MAJOR changes...
Spirituality is the search for enlightenment/knowledge.
Religion is the search for reward.
ALSO, the Council of Catholic Bishops is a group who's members are only allowed to vote as much as any other Catholic.
I'm telling you, statistically speaking, Catholic PEOPLE are more likely to agree with the Democratic Party. REGARDLESS of what the Bishops say.
The Pope is also OPENLY opposed to the kind of so-called "free market" unregulated capitalism practiced in the U.S. In fact, his writing is OPENLY socialistic on the matter.
Repuglicans don't want to discuss any of that because it cancels out too much of their agenda.
Thank you for sharing your beliefs with us, and some of your personal, and private history; I respect you for that. For the record, can I test your resolve?
To quote:
"For the record, I'm COMPLETELY anti-abortion. So, I would tell my kids and my wife I don't want them to have one. It wouldn't be a problem because we all go to the same church and agree about it. I consider it a terrible sin."
When you say 'it wouldn't be a problem' what exactly do you mean?
If tragically, your wife was raped and got pregnant, she would carry it to term, correct? You would adopt this child, and give it your name, support it and love it forever, correct?
If she wanted to abort, you would support her, because she is an equal partner in the marriage, correct? Abortion is legal in America, and your wife is American, correct? Ergo, she has the 'right' to an abortion.
If, as you say, abortion is horrible, but none of your business, I can only conclude that you are Pro-Choice, as is your wife, correct?
I ask you to respond to these questions of resolve because you capitalized the word COMPLETELY, and you were on the record.
Cook me up some bacon and beans;
Go out to the car, lift it up and change the tire;
Wash my socks and sew my old blue jeans.
You can fill my pipe and then go
fetch my slippers, cook me up another pot of beans;
Then put another log on the fire babe, and come and tell me why you're leaving me." Tom Paul Glaser wrote that if I recall correctly. Or it's a plank in the platform of Romney/Ryan 2012 (coffee hasn't kicked in yet).
Communist Romania made abortion illegal. I think it staffed its security forces with children raised in "orphanages" filled with these unloved and unwanted children. The Romanian secret police were the worst in the Eastern Block, worse than KGB.
Studies have pointed out that the fall in crime in this country coincides with the legality of abortion - that crime statistics started dropping about 15-20 years after abortion was made legal.
I think love is one of the most important things in the world. I do not see much love in what Paul Ryan says, does or thinks.
And as many of the previous commenters have said, and as the article articulates, the central point is the attitude toward women reflected in comments by Paul Ryan and Todd Akin - that women are objects, vehicles for fetuses, and not fully human beings.
Margaret Atwood's THE HANDMAID's TALE lays out that territory pretty clearly. Even though it is a fantasy, it is a vivid reminder of where things can go if we let them.
Perhaps the box faces that are missing are now being raised to bear. Missionaries steal children, seen it again in Haiti Crisis. We are not below any sin, we invent new ones all the time in the Name of Power,Greed
Romney/Ryan 2012
Rapists Deserve To Be Fathers Too
The upper class have kids that have no brains, no feelings, just more clones Many middle class to are neglecting raising their children....Mal ls, Video Games, Pc whatever....too busy working extra jobs or just do not care.
Ooh my little pretty one, pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Vagina
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Vagina
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind. Always put it up for the touch
Republicanize My my my i yi woo. M M M My Vagina ...
Come a little closer huh, ah will ya huh.
Close enough to look inside, My Vagina
Keeping it a mystery gets to me
Running down my ownership of my , Vagina
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind . Always put it up for the touch
Republicanize . My my my i yi woo. M M M My Vagina ...
When you gonna give it to me, give it to me.
It is just a matter of time Vagina
Is it just destiny, destiny?
Or is it just a game in my mind, Vagina ?
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind . Always put it up for the touch
Republicanize . My my my i yi woo. M M M My Vagina …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3ADektyDhM
These disgusting people hold dear the life of a fertilized egg and care not for the beautiful people who are dying in their ill-begotten wars.
When a man has such disdain for a woman than she must know she only serves once purpose. Therefore she takes advantage thru stuff buying. She has a whole in her since her self has not been completed. She is a slave to a man who only wants someone to prove he is 'not' gay. When in fact, he is most certainly more gay than most homosexuals. His hatred of women leaves him powerless to be a companion, supporter. He uses her for his purpose.
I have not heard either Wives speak of their life, how great a man either is nor have I heard them discuss Women's Rights in their life, religion. I have not heard either of them speak of themselves at all. Cutesy bs but I do not see these women as role models. I see them as bimbos. Glad they had kids but I wonder what their kids are like, really like.
I see no feelings. I hear words...empty words, speeches written by someone for someone who will edit and take to the other one so they can have Mitt or Unreal read them. Words, black and white print.
There is no life left in the Candidates...th e few who have some shed of it.....
THERE IS ALSO A CHRISTIAN LEFT.
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