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Tuesday, 31 August 2010 17:13

Robert Reich begins: "I have the questionable distinction of appearing on Larry Kudlow’s CNBC program several times a week, arguing with people whose positions under normal circumstances would get no serious attention, and defending policies I would have thought so clearly and obviously defensible they should need no justification."

Portrait, Robert Reich, 08/16/09. (photo: Perian Flaherty)
Portrait, Robert Reich, 08/16/09. (photo: Perian Flaherty)

A Civil Society Extends Unemployment Benefits

Robert Reich, Robert Reich's Blog

31 August 10

have the questionable distinction of appearing on Larry Kudlow's CNBC program several times a week, arguing with people whose positions under normal circumstances would get no serious attention, and defending policies I would have thought so clearly and obviously defensible they should need no justification. But we are living through strange times. The economy is so bad that the social fabric is coming undone, and what used to be merely weird economic theories have become debatable public policies.

Tonight it was Harvard Professor Robert Barro, who opined in today's Wall Street Journal that America's high rate of long-term unemployment is the consequence rather than the cause of today's extended unemployment insurance benefits.

In theory, Barro is correct. If people who lose their jobs receive generous unemployment benefits they might stay unemployed longer than if they got nothing. But that's hardly a reason to jettison unemployment benefits or turn our backs on millions of Americans who through no fault of their own remain jobless in the worst economy since the Great Depression.

Yet moral hazard lurks in every conservative brain. It's also true that if we got rid of lifeguards and let more swimmers drown, fewer people would venture into the water. And if we got rid of fire departments and more houses burnt to the ground, fewer people would use stoves. A civil society is not based on the principle of tough love.

In point of fact, most states provide unemployment benefits that are only a fraction of the wages and benefits people lost when their jobs disappeared. Indeed, fewer than 40 percent of the unemployed in most states are even eligible for benefits, because states require applicants have been in full-time jobs for at least three to five years. This often rules out a majority of those who are jobless - because they've moved from job to job, or have held a number of part-time jobs.

So it's hard to make the case that many of the unemployed have chosen to remain jobless and collect unemployment benefits rather than work.

Anyone who bothered to step into the real world would see the absurdity of Barro's position. Right now, there are roughly five applicants for every job opening in America. If the job requires relatively few skills, hundreds of applicants line up for it. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says 15 percent of people without college degrees are jobless today; that's not counting large numbers too discouraged even to look for work.

Barro argues the rate of unemployment in this Great Jobs Recession is comparable to what it was in the 1981-82 recession, but the rate of long-term unemployed then was nowhere as high as it is now. He concludes this is because unemployment benefits didn't last nearly as long in 1981 and 82 as it they do now.

He fails to see - or disclose - that the 81-82 recession was far more benign than this one, and over far sooner. It was caused by Paul Volcker and the Fed yanking up interest rates to break the back of inflation - and overshooting. When they pulled interest rates down again, the economy shot back to life.

The Great Jobs Recession is far more severe. It's continuing far longer. It was caused by the bursting of a giant housing bubble, abetted by the excesses of Wall Street. Home values are still 20 to 30 percent below where they were in 1997. The Fed is powerless because consumers cannot and will not buy enough to bring the economy back to life.

A record number of Americans is unemployed for a record length of time. This is a national tragedy. It is to the nation's credit that many are receiving unemployment benefits. This is good not only for them and their families but also for the economy as a whole, because it allows them to spend and thereby keep others in jobs. That a noted professor would argue against this is obscene.

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Robert Reich is Professor of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley. He has served in three national administrations, most recently as secretary of labor under President Bill Clinton. He has written twelve books, including "The Work of Nations," "Locked in the Cabinet," and his most recent book, "Supercapitalism." His "Marketplace" commentaries can be found on publicradio.com and iTunes.

 

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+11 # Guest 2010-08-31 19:40
Mr Reich: The people you meet at Kudlows have attitudes, not opinions. They have chosen the role they display. Strangely, and that is the problem with our societies, they are making out like bandits!!! Bring in the clowns!!!
 
 
+30 # Guest 2010-08-31 19:57
If Larry Kudlow and the Republicans had their way, there would be: No unemployment compensation, NO Social Security, NO medicare, and NO welfare. The poor and elderly would be consigned to poverty.
 
 
+19 # Gurka 2010-08-31 23:21
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If Larry Kudlow and the Republicans had their way, there would be: No unemployment compensation, NO Social Security, NO medicare, and NO welfare. The poor and elderly would be consigned to poverty.


You are right, Mr. Allen. Now think about it, the Republican Way is an elegant way: Do nothing for the poor and elderly, and they will wither away sooner. Nobody will be responsible for anything. Society can eliminate the problematic parts of the population without much ado. It is an easy answer to difficult questions- the Republican Kind of Answer!
 
 
+22 # Guest 2010-08-31 21:59
"It was caused by the bursting of a giant housing bubble, abetted by the excesses of Wall Street. Home values are still 20 to 30 percent below where they were in 1997. The Fed is powerless because consumers cannot and will not buy enough to bring the economy back to life."

Oh so wrong - on every count - the current recession was caused by "globalization," that is tariff and tax policy that not only allowed, but encouraged the move of job markets to 3rd world countries where labor was cheap. Our jobs did not disappear, they moved. Consumers are spending and creating tremendous job growth - in China, India etc. The housing and credit bubble hid it for many years as people used their houses and credit lines (instead of wages) to make it seem like things were on track - when the credit dried up, the economy crashed to where it has really been for close to a decade. The economy won't get better until the real problem is fixed.
 
 
+20 # Guest 2010-09-01 04:18
Shopping in Macy's (a merger of four stores that used to be in our mall) yesterday, I checked the labels on men's clothes. I found only Made in China, Bangladesh, Indonesia, etc. Many of our jobs have been outsourced by companies which got their start under USA capitalism.
The Social Contract has been abandoned by these non-patriotic mega-corporations who are loyal only to their stockholders and money-grubbing CEOs.
It sound like the joke from the 1964 campaign: "If you had any gumption, you'd go inherit a department store, like Mr. Goldwater!"
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-03 19:58
beker,
You are absolutely correct. I have done considerable research lately and simply wish to confirm that by my review of scholarly, peer reviewed journals, and of the Presidential Annual Report over the last three decades, our current reality reflects the removal of our manufacturing base, and of a variety of jobs, to third world sites. We are pauperized by forcing the American worker to compete with peasant labor. Unfortunately for far too long, the middle class has tried to maintain its there to fore earned standard of living on debt and much to the encouragement of the very financial systems that have profited handsomely at our expense. Add to this a crippling corporate welfare system, a deliberate inflating of the real estate market and destructive deregulation and you get what we have now. The public needs to understand that the masses did not cause this crisis. It was a system designed to bleed them dry and then abandon them.
 
 
+33 # angelfish 2010-08-31 22:45
Will EVERYONE who can run, walk or crawl to a polling place on November 2nd PLEASE VOTE the "Me FIRSTers" OUT of Washington? Their lies and obfuscations have seduced so many who believe that RICH people deserve welfare and that Corporations are "people"! We have ALL gone through the Looking Glass but the "Tea Party" has no room at the table for the working poor and unemployed of this once great, Country. Americans are vilifying other Americans who are of a different religious persuasion, much like Hitler and the S.S. did to the Jews in Europe a mere 80 years ago. Everyone said, "Never again". WAKE UP, AMERICA, The Nazis are on the march! Don't let them seduce you with their propaganda. They are the equivalent of Al Queda and the Taliban stirring the cauldron of race hatred, and discontent, scape-goating people for their religious beliefs. WHAT has happened to the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave? It has been usurped by the fanatical Right Wing who blame Obama for Bush's failures.
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-01 04:33
Right on target. Most people won't respond, though. The truth hurts, and besides, Jersey Shore is starting its new season on the TeeVee!
 
 
+13 # Gurka 2010-08-31 23:07
Is Robert Barro a Harvard professor? How can a professor present stupid statements like he did, according to this article. I expect professors to present their opinion in a scholarly way, explaining their position, giving examples, weighing pro and con, trying to find the most illuminating and probable causes of a phenomenon. But according to the article Mr. Barro did no such thing. Even a lay person like myself can see the shallowness of his allegation. OMG what a waste of money it would be to send my kids to Harvard!
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-09-01 15:43
Dear Gurka,

Please learn the truth about academia: professors are as influenced by popular movements, propaganda, and the media as everyone else. They simply wrap it up in rational discussion and reasoned essays.

Remember the "Clash of Civilizations" author was esteemed professor Samuel Huntington of Harvard. Just because they are from academia doesn't mean that they espouse the truth. Many conservative and liberal professors believe that the public must be kept in the dark because we can't handle the truth. And yet these same professors will teach students about the lies that America has foisted on its unfortunate citizens. It is the belief in the use of misinformation that characterizes conservative academics like Huntington (a registered Democrat, by the way)
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-03 20:08
Sad but true cynibunny. The real tragedy afoot is that the truth is abundantly available to anyone who is diligent about actually doing their own homework. A modestly dedicated review of scholarly journals and information sources available at any public university and many of the larger public libraries will reveal every good reason to throw your TV in the trash, unplug the radio and swear off celebrity and sports media for good. One need not go to such extremes of course but critical thinking, logic, a commitment to learning...are virtues that are almost non-existent it seems and as each year passes, incoming freshman seem ever more illiterate and frankly, are much harder to teach.

And yes, more than a few professors are more than willing to abuse their discipline, even becoming paid hacks and shills on behalf of sources that no academic would have thought to touch in my earlier years. It's not that I am an old man, but returning to academia in my later years has been quite shocking.
 
 
+16 # Guest 2010-08-31 23:49
Actually if Mr. Kudlow and the Reps had their way there would be no government at all, and then they would belong to the unemployed. If they are so against government why don't they go get a "real job" ??
 
 
+21 # Guest 2010-09-01 00:05
"The Fed is powerless because consumers cannot and will not buy enough to bring the economy back to life." Pre-recession consumption was done on the credit card and people using the balloon-equity in their homes as an ATM. Anybody with any room left on their credit card or any equity in their home is wisely choosing to keep it that way. Pay down the credit card and build home equity is rightly seen as a really smart thing to do.

Mr. Riech might also have pointed out that one of the reasons so many people without a college degree are unemployed is that so many of the people with a college degree have taken a job that does not require a degree. Many recent college graduates can't find a job in their chosen field so they take any job to survive. (What fun it must be to drive a truck or flip burgers with tens of thousands of dollars in student loans hanging over you!)
 
 
+10 # Guest 2010-09-01 02:18
And economists wonder (along with other scientists) why no one takes them seriously or trusts them when they say 'there is no proof mercury in injection causes any harm'. The Sciences and business sciences have been corrupted by the search for money and the ability to publish in an environment were nothing gets published. Harvard strikes again! This place is bankrupt and corrupt itself!
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-09-01 04:29
seems to me that Robert Barro should try unemployment for awhile......
 
 
+15 # Guest 2010-09-01 05:18
Way to go Anglefish
The reality is - if you don't stand with the Democrats and vote for every Democrat you can, then the Republicans will win, take control again and continue to ruin our country far faster and far worse then anything the Democrats would do.
Voting for anybody else is voting for the Republicans. That's how we ended up with Bush! Not voting at all is STILL a vote for the Republicans.
If you’re disappointed now, how disappointed will you be when the Republicans win.
VOTE!!! Tell your friends that voted for Obama to VOTE. WE MUST VOTE!!!
WE NEED MORE SEATS NOT LESS!!!
We are running out of time, stop criticizing. Get on board.
The Dems make mistakes, the Republicans make disaster!
Use your brain to get Obama voters to vote for all their Dems. Face the reality, we have to make what we have work otherwise it’s back to the Republicans making more disaster for the middle class and the country.
 
 
+9 # josephhill 2010-09-01 07:49
Please Note:

Let's not assume that all the "Me Firsters" are Republicans, either. BOTH these "two" parties we are allowed to choose between are the Problem, rather than the Solution to what ails America.

The Dems are already gearing up for the elections with their usual 'selling point'--"Well...at least we're not as bad as the other guys." Why do we let ourselves be terrorized into voting for lousy candidates just because we have only "two" choices? Even people who call themselves "progressives" recite this mantra every election cycle--"If the Dems lose, the sky will fall!" Stop letting them get away with this! VOTE 3rd-party (Green, Progressive, Labor...whatever); serve notice that we (whom Rahm Emanuel calls "f___ing retards") are sick of being 'chumped'.

This is NO WAY to run a "democracy"
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-01 10:27
Joseph I understand your frustration but if you don't grasp the our political reality we will let the Republicans win. Remember Ralph Nader, the third party votes gave the 2000 election to Bush. You have to face the facts; we need you and all your friends. We can't let the Republicans win.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-01 13:21
Thanks for the reminder Johnathan.

I voted for Nader and got what I deserved....

I am sorry and I apologize. Never again will I forget that we have ONLY 2 choices, Any other dream is just folly !
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-01 20:28
Thanks George, I wish there was a way to convince others that made the same mistake and those who will make that mistake in the next election.

And anyone who voted for Obama needs to get out and vote regardless if they are disappointed or not. They will be a lot more disappointed if the Republicans win and screw our country even more.
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-09-01 09:52
I agree If Repubs gain the majority again, as bad as it is, this nation's economy will flatline and they will suck us dry. And as far as I can see we are not a civilized country- The rich and powerful want the Milton Friendman model which amounts to a Robber Barons paradise. That's why trillions are going for tax cuts and wars -so what are we doing about it?
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-01 15:51
Amen! It is amazing to me how no politicos seem to talk about how it is already to the advantage of the right that the economy is tanking.

1) The longer it takes to recover, the more likely that Democrats won't be credited with the recovery;

2) The corporations that are big enough are loving it! Their competition is dying, not because of a better product, only because of corporation size.

3) The media is fetish-izing over the economy like it is God, and the poor, middle class, and other non-rich just don't matter in this country.
 
 
+5 # Brenda 2010-09-01 08:18
I always amazed at how many people allow themselves to get duped by all this Republican B*** S***. The neo-Nazi group is starting to draw more converts. That's scary!! Keep this in mind, Germany, at the time, had massive inflation along with heavy unemployment. The post-WW1 government was trying to desperately solve the problem. The many ears who listened to this little "paper hanger" with a moustache, composed of 60% Roman Catholic and 40% Lutherine christians. The point being made, explains why Palin and other Tea Party fools could be the first step into America being faced with a growing Nazi or Fascist problem. Then came the silent killings of people who were against the Nazi movement. Then it was time to also kill the "Brown Shirts", who wouldn't necessarily back the next step in Hitler's secret agenda. Take away the income, and take away the food and you'll have a public of common folks ready to do anything. I fear for the safety of my children and grand-children in the next 20 years.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-01 13:17
Brenda......... I also fear for the safety of our Children and Grand Children.

The writing has been on the walls and the citizenry of this country still believe that the Wealthy will provide well for them to co-exist among the Greedy.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-01 20:34
I have often thought that the Tea party rallies looked far more like Nazi demonstrations then anything I have seen before in this country. The Koran burning is another example.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-01 13:38
Of course Kudlow, et al, know better but they have an agenda to eliminate "gummint". Their positions are well known and they'll parrot the "conservative" (nothing conservative about it, reactionary perhaps) line. They've drawn the curve and they need but to plot their "data" to convince themselves and those who wish to be convinced.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-06 05:31
I commend both Angelfish and Joseph Mann. We must vote in the Democrats in both houses of Congrelss.If the GOP have been the minority in both houees, since the last election and stall anything the Democrats put up in Congress, based on what President Obama wants to do, then just think of what they will do if they become the Majority. I believe the GOP has threatened Filibuster more than 125 times in the Senate this year in Obama
irst 2 year period. That is probably more than any period in the past many many years. We cannot let the GOP win either house. If they do, the first thing they will do is go back to when Newt Gingrich was the Speaker of the House, and that was SHUT DOWN THE GOVT. THAT MEANS ALL ACTIVITY WILL CEASE, ALONG WITH NO SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS BEEN DONE, AND ALL GOVT WORKERS STAYING AT HOME. Can anyone imagine what what that means to millions of Senior Citizens who depend on the Social Securityh checks each month just in order to exist???? It will be a DISASTER...
 

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