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Intro: "With a double-dip recession looming and attacks on Obama mounting, it's amazing the GOP is still setting the US agenda when its own George W. Bush ran up half the debt we've accumulated since Reagan."

Former President George W. Bush attending the 2010 World Series in Arlington, Texas, 10/30/10. (photo: Ronald Martinez/Getty Images)
Former President George W. Bush attending the 2010 World Series in Arlington, Texas, 10/30/10. (photo: Ronald Martinez/Getty Images)

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+77 # artful 2011-08-07 09:58
It's not complicated Mr. Tomasky:
1. the Tea Party is the creation of the Koch Brothers, a classic astroturf organization. They are serfs of the Kochs.
2. The Republican Party now consists of a) teabagger serfs; b) Christian Taliban; and c) white racists . . . oh, lest I forget, and d) the rich people in America who lack conscience.
Republicans have no memory, and no conscience. Their only principle is power and their only objective is regaining the Presidency, so they can continue on their path to the destruction of the American Middle Class.
 
 
+11 # ritaague 2011-08-07 11:55
Artful, you said it very well. Yes, indeed, the evil villainiare rulers have been working on their coup for quite a few years. And, indeed, no conscience have they whatsoever.

Everything and everyone's flushed down the toilet, in order to up their fortunes and acquire and maintain total control over we the sheeple. Constant karlrove style dirty tricks (i.e. the Koch created Tea Party) are used to covertly MSD (manipulate, spin, distract) us.

The Dems. had better nominate in 2012 a real fighter for change - OhBombAh is going to make us all want to smash the television, each time an ad run through funding by his Wall Street villainaires is played. Those ads, no matter how well karlroved, will remind us how OhBombAh MSD'ed us, myself included, during his '08 campaign.

Should OhBombAh be the candidate, it's nearly certain, with mass election fraud and disenfranchisem ent looming once again, that a Kochsucking Tea Partier will be elected for four more years of Bushwhacking, Kochsucking, OhBombAh'ing.

Kick us once, shame on you.....
 
 
+8 # Reynolds 2011-08-08 11:32
I think you seriously underestimate what will happen if someone like Michelle Bachmann gets in power. Everyone Left, Center, and rational Right needs to fully understand what Dominionism is. I think there is a good chance she will be the Republican candidate - and for people not to know what they are voting for, or failing to vote against, is beyond a disaster. Please, be aware of more than that she might be a tea-partier. She is a theocrat, and that is far worse. Please.
 
 
+39 # photojack53 2011-08-07 12:05
You nailed it! This article really shows the anger and frustration of average Americans. The EVIL Repugnicans are pushing their own mothers off the cliff, to stick by the kooks in the Tea Party who stupidly demand no new taxes. The Repugnicans CREATED this mess and now they've prolonged it past the time it could have been solved. How many countless thousands of Americans have had their finances DESTROYED while these EVIL Repugnicans play their dirty political games? They prolonged the high unemployment, lengthened the foreclosure crisis and delayed Obama's recovery attempts irreparably hurting our citizens, myself included. Look up "swiftboating" and "astroturfing" on wikipedia to see the UNCONSCIONABLE acts this party routinely does to hurt this country's citizens and our economy.
VOTE THESE EVIL BUMS OUT OF OFFICE, NOW!
DON'T LET YOUR CHILDREN GROW UP TO BECOME REPUBLICANS!
THINK, OR OUR NATION WILL BE RUINED BY THESE HORRID IDIOTS!
 
 
-4 # DCZonke 2011-08-08 16:31
Generalizations such as yours only show off your own prejudices. Guess what? Tea bagger serfs, christian taliban and even white racists have a right to their opinions just like you do and they have a right to vote as they want to. Your comments only reflect a doltish attitude and contribute nothing to a solution to our problems. Honest debate does, not name calling.
 
 
+1 # Bob Griffin 2011-08-10 09:30
While many of us agree that the above-mentioned folks have a right to their opinions and to their votes, there are two looming problems. The first is the ongoing attempt to rewrite reality (including attempts to rewrite history), exemplified during the prior administration by remarks about "the reality-based community", heavy pressure on text-book publishers to present a particular view/distortion of American history, and repeated false assertions about recent history. The second is the demand from a significant section of the Tea Party that those behaviors of which they disapprove but which are not currently illegal be criminalized (homosexual relations being a prime example).
To sum up: While most of the Tea Party might disapprove of Dominionism were they aware of it, a significant group within the Tea Party has strong Dominionist characteristics .
Be Well,
Bob Griffin
 
 
+23 # NanFan 2011-08-07 10:06
Complication is not the problem, artful, but how we get out of this whole is and always, always have been since W ran the World.

I'm sick and tired of words. I'm on it!

N.
 
 
-4 # NanFan 2011-08-07 10:46
Quoting
Complication is not the problem, artful, but how we get out of this whole is and always, always have been since W ran the World.

I'm sick and tired of words. I'm on it!

N.


Sorry...how we get out of whole "has" always...since W...

Typos...hate them.

N.
 
 
+1 # Elizabeth Barry 2011-08-07 17:22
Quoting
Quoting
Complication is not the problem, artful, but how we get out of this whole is and always, always have been since W ran the World.

I'm sick and tired of words. I'm on it!

N.


Sorry...how we get out of whole "has" always...since W...

Typos...hate them.

N.

Don't you mean "hole"? Get out of this HOLE. Typos. gotta love'em. sigh.
 
 
+35 # bkath 2011-08-07 10:51
Thanks for the summary but

"A bank president would likely be in jail."

Really? Who is in jail for the fraudulent derivatives? Who is in jail for the fraudulent foreclosures?
 
 
0 # DCZonke 2011-08-08 16:40
Now someone is actually asking relevant questions.
 
 
+29 # drush 2011-08-07 10:57
Bush jr. or jr bust was just uncle Reagan on steroids.. Reagan taught the nation to borrow not tax, hell I say uncle because he was like an old uncle that came to babysit and would let us do as we liked, now Adults need to take over.
Instead Obama has succeeded in elevating the Tea Partiers (as party must go on party party) as an opposition.
An adult would have told the nation what he felt need to happen then demand that congress hash it out.
Instead Obama neutralized the left in his own party by negotiating himself.
Hence more debt no new revenue.
Reagan lives on. As does war.
We die as a Culture.
Cut Education etc.
 
 
+8 # NanFan 2011-08-07 11:06
You are so right, but...what do you suggest we, the people do in the face of corrupt elections?

N.
 
 
+26 # Barbara K 2011-08-07 11:05
Artful, you have it nailed. Just think how great this country would be doing if W had never been "President". He was the worst president this country had in a long time. He was at the helm when all the jobs were lost that put millions of people out of work; he rewarded the businesses for sending our jobs away. Now we have starving people on the streets, and people who have lost everything. He trashed the economy, and really double-downed on the trashing after Obama was elected and before he took office. Obama was left with a terrible mess. Par for the course. The Dems always have to clean up the mess left by the Rs. There are some really ignorant people out there who know nothing about the history of this country. Too bad some of the baggers managed to buy seats in Congress where they continue to screw the citizens over and over and the trashing of our entire country.
 
 
+25 # hms 2011-08-07 11:55
The Repubs remain the masters of spin and that's how they accomplished their deeds-- with the help of spineless Dems who just can't get ahold of anything to counter Repub lies. Thus we now have a congress loaded with idiots who are wrecking the country even more. Get off your fat asses Dems!!!
 
 
+17 # JCM 2011-08-07 12:00
The solution to our economic problem is to tax the very wealthy, say making over a million in income, to a higher rate, say fifty percent or more, including capital gains over a million. Then allow for extremely generous tax deductions for job creation that would bring their tax burden down to present levels (revenue neutral).
The revenue that could be acquired from this plan could then be reinvested back into the economy. As an example, infrastructure spending would also help create jobs. Therefore, if the tax deduction incentives were good enough, then the creation of jobs would be attractive to business owners even if the businesses were not at first profitable. When consumer demand increases due to higher employment, the newly created businesses could then be self sufficient and profitable. This plan would create an environment for tax write off businesses, popular when tax rates were higher, reducing the need for initial high consumer demand.
 
 
+5 # rothdove 2011-08-07 12:23
Michael-you have only recently penetrated my consciousness. You are a superb observer and writer.
The GOP is well characterized in Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer" No logic or reason. Only a passionate belief in their misguided, self-serving ideas.
They are all Grover Norquists desperately trying to shrink our government for the benefit of the rich and to the detriment of the ordinary citizen.
In the process they will destroy our govt. They don't care
Arrayed against this monumentally, self aggrandizing movement is the disastrously weak reed, Obama
No Contest
 
 
+24 # fredboy 2011-08-07 13:25
Like many rich brats I've known, this guy and his cronies got off Scott free. And now his GOP/tea types completely ignore this reality.

One thing you have to remember about Republicans: They honestly believe they can do no wrong and their crap does not stink. It is ingrained--they are raised believing this.
 
 
+8 # Paul Scott 2011-08-07 13:30
History teaches that trying to remove people from power is not easy. I would not be a party in destroying the Union for the Constitution, in its original state, is worth saving even to the loss of life. A violent mob uprising will only end in disaster and the working class will suffer the more for it. Here’s an idea, if there was an all out plea made to win independent voter support, of which I’m one, I believe that it may be possible to grab; then scrub, a democratic congress in 2012. I do not believe the same opportunity would be obtainable through the Republican Party because wealth and right-wing religious ideology has so corrupted it beyond repair.
 
 
+3 # Tucker 2011-08-07 13:49
While Bush is certainly a culprit behind the economic mismanagement destroying the world economy, this article is rife with oversimplificat ion. The "debt" crisis is not a debt crisis, but a FRAUD crisis!! "Bkath" (above) is absolutley right when asking "who is in jail for fraudulent derivatives". We are accepting TRILLIONS from European central banks which are then funneled DIRECTLY BACK to European central banks to "pay" derivatives "debts" and other speculative, trash paper "debts". Trillions in bailouts that do NOTHING to re-open the closing schools or re-build the crumbling infrastructure of our nation. THIS IS FRAUD! The real problem occured when we allowed the replacing of a physical economy with a worthless paper economy, and allowed "globalization", outsourcing, and cheap goods/labor to erode our economy and collective morality. This destructive and sinister policy has been eagerly and foolishly pursued since the death of Franklin Roosevelt and has continued under both Democratic and Republican leadership. Much of the deregulation leading to our current predicament actually occured during the presidency of BILL CLINTON! BOTH parties are guilty of allowing a turn towards economic facism under the euphamism of "globalization". All this finger pointing in the face of a serious crisis that threatens all of humanity is both insane and counterproducti ve. We are ALL guilty.
 
 
+12 # Realist 2011-08-07 14:27
The only way to regain our country is to reduce the cost of campaigning. Then candidates would not have to sell their souls to the corporate world. How to do this? Make the TV channels give equal time to all national candidates FREE. If any candidate buys extra time, then the TV channel selling it must give an equal amount of time FREE to all the other candidates. How to get this to happen? It is in the networks' contracts that they have to give time for public service in return for their having the frequency on which they telecast or broadcast. THE FCC HAS TO ENFORCE IT. We, the people, own the TV and radio frequencies. The networks have only a contract to use them.
 
 
+2 # X Dane 2011-08-07 22:49
BINGO, Realist, You are right on, and I don't understand why that is not yelled from the roof tops.

THE NETWORKS ARE USING OUR AIRWAVES.
They MUST give free time to serious candidates.
 
 
+12 # angelfish 2011-08-07 15:00
America NEEDS someone to BLAME. Aside from the fact that BUSH'S Administration caused 98% of our Fiscal problems, everyone expected Barack Obama to come in and fix everything INSTANTLY! While I'm underwhelmed with SOME of his actions, overall the President has accomplished SOME good, DESPITE the fact that the Fascists in the House have stymied him at EVERY turn. The masses seem to have extremely limited attention spans and are easily swayed by glib catch phrases and accusations by the Loons on the Hard Right. I wouldn't be so quick to throw this President under the Bus just yet. What's happening on our Political Stage is an indication of just how broken things are in Washington. Unless and until those in Power get back to working on the issues and trying to SOLVE our problems rather that compounding them, NOTHING will change. There just doesn't seem to be ANYONE on the RIGHT side of the aisle willing to do their job because they are so focused on THEIR agenda rather than the country's NEEDS.
 
 
+10 # Isar 2011-08-07 15:01
YEP...but the Republicans have a plan...they are putting the focus on Obama as the FAILURE president, and so far it is working. All they have to do is keep on pounding away at the failure of Obama, and pretty soon, we'll just all forget about Dubya and his total mess-up...Dubya, the Supreme Court elected president who has to be the dumbest president in our history. The goal of the Republican party, don't forget, is to eliminate Obama's second term, and to distract the American People from "remembering" the catastrophe that Dubya left to us. We must NEVER FORGET DUBYA. He hurt all of us...well, maybe not all....there is 5% of the population who got exactly what they wanted out of Dubya. They're happy.
The tea-baggers are now rejecting Dubya....but you know they would vote for him again. They would vote for a chimpanzee in diapers if he is Republican and anti-Soicalism!!! Maybe we need to eliminate the Socialism entirely in this country----public schools, Medicare/Social Security, Fire Fighters/Police, roads, bridges, TEACHERS, all that stuff that we all pay for...That's just damn Socialism, ain't it? Oh..well, maybe the tea baggers don't really mean THAT kind of socialism. Maybe they think "socialism" is "communism"....Ya think? So far, what is saving us (so far) is simply this...The TB's don't have a credible leader yet. NO, Sarah and/or Michelle simply won't do.
 
 
+2 # 8LEA 2011-08-07 15:09
Wake up. We will not do better as long as the left refuses to see Obama as an obstacle to progress; a willing co-conspirator of the Republicans and faux democratic Blue Dogs and DLCers...a Wall Street tool! It is time to rally AWAY from a Democratic Party that is no longer pro labor or pro main street. A Democratic Party that refuses to admit that Bill Clinton (tool of Wallmart and Wall Street) did massive damage with deregulation of Wall Street and passing GAT and NAFTA. A Democratic Party in love with "free trade" deals, and complacent regarding off-shoring/out-sourcing of jobs and assets...who refuses to acknowledge class warfare and fight back on our behalf.
No investigations into what and who caused the financial collapse?!? No prosecutions and no end to the looting?!? Tax payer money (TARP) handed to the looters who then pocketed it?!? The proceeds of the looting taxed at 15%??? The looters standard of living continuing to soar while their victims continue hemorrhaging jobs and homes?!? "Shared sacrifice" going forward??? It should have been: "we've been sacrificing for three years while the looters continued to prosper; now its their turn!!!" Instead, Obama just gave the store away. No revenue?!? No money for work programs like a WPA or a CCC.
TAX THE LOOTING RICH!!! These out-sourcing Globalists do not need or deserve discounts!!!
 
 
-2 # 8LEA 2011-08-07 15:39
Wake up. We will not do better as long as the left refuses to see Obama as an obstacle to progress; a willing co-conspirator of the Republicans and faux democratic Blue Dogs and DLCers...a Wall Street tool! It is time to rally AWAY from a Democratic Party that is no longer pro labor or pro main street. A Democratic Party that refuses to admit that Bill Clinton (tool of Wallmart and Wall Street) did massive damage with deregulation of Wall Street and passing GAT and NAFTA. A Democratic Party in love with "free trade" deals, and complacent regarding off-shoring/out-sourcing of jobs and assets...who refuses to acknowledge class warfare and fight back on our behalf.
 
 
+2 # MidwestTom 2011-08-07 17:27
I am not a Bush fan, but financial legislation always comes from the House, and the Democrats took over the last two years of Bush. Just like now the public is blaming Obama for the deficit mess, but the Republicans control the House now. The Dems ned a counter balance the Tea Party with people who will vote the way they campaign. We have too many who are willing ot compromise.
 
 
-20 # AmericanVet 2011-08-07 17:28
Wow I see so many socialist comments. So if you beleive so much please sent a signed blank check and please tget your facts correct. Look how many jobs went south of the border during the clinton years and the damage he did to our military. It appears we had to resort to guard and reserves beside of Prez clinton and gory boy butchering the military.
 
 
+7 # reiverpacific 2011-08-08 06:31
Please define "Socialism" -and NOT in the typical trite, content-lite and foggy US way but factually!
Agreed Clinton screwed us w/ SHAFTA and GATT and especially with his gutting of aid for the truly poor.
But it's news to me that the military are, or ever have been, lacking in funds; quite the opposite and what "We" are reverting to is private, highly-paid militia (a.k.a. "Security firms" largely comprised of some of the worst mercenary thugs and ex death-squad members worldwide) but little regard for regulars who are killed or damaged by this country's seeming need to carry on wars of some kind under any pretense -that's not "defense": it's "Create and destroy an enemy of your choice", no matter what corporate-ruled party is in power.
Bush just took it to a new low level of deceit, cronyism and hubris, starting seemingly endless and certainly needless wars based on proven lies that are soaking the very life-blood, both human and financial, from the nation.
For that alone, he should be doing hard time instead of playing golf and swanning around at baseball games!
 
 
+10 # Roy 2011-08-07 19:35
Although I voted for Obama I'm very upset that he did not deescalte the two wars. Getting out of Afganistan in 2014 is not acceptable. With our federal budget deficet he needs to be getting out this year at the very latest.
 
 
-1 # Activista 2011-08-08 07:36
"Getting out of Afganistan in 2014 is not acceptable .."
with special forces remaining fighting "terrorism"
 
 
+8 # VSweet 2011-08-08 07:31
Those who have not been brain-washed with the rhetoric political mess, know who bought our nation down. We had 8 years of Republican dominating our country, I don't recall that EVERY American embracing Bush and the Republican Party. They ran up the nations debt in 8 years, they out sourced jobs,they did not create new jobs.

Now that the Republicans have their own dictators calling the shots, (the T Party) they are going full force to dismantle the Nation and its people.

May the Republicans and the T PARTY fall into their own ditch they intended for America and their families to fall in.
 
 
+2 # JustJim 2011-08-08 09:29
Angelfish: Thanks. I still WANT to have some faith in Obama. I look for reason to believe, although the disappointments are coming faster than the reassurances.
 
 
-1 # DCZonke 2011-08-08 16:18
This article begins with a factually false statement. The deficit under Bush went from 5.7 trillion to 10.4 trillion. For those of us who can add and subtract that is not half of the current deficit. Mr. Tomasky should not begin any argument with a statement so easily refuted. It cast doubt on his entire article. If he wishes to attribute part of the deficit incurred under Mr. Obama's term to Mr. Bush, he should say so, but remember there has been carry over from every administration. It is also relevant that the deficit under Mr. Obama will equal or exceed that of Mr. Bush before his first 4 year are over. Mr. Bush's deficit was over 8 years with most of the last half of that under a Democratic Congress. Careful where one points fingers!
 
 
0 # Bob Griffin 2011-08-10 09:40
The Democrats elected to congress in 2006 tended to be very compliant with President G. W. Bush, quite unlike the Republicans elected in 2010.
 
 
-1 # rm 2011-08-09 11:12
Yes, GW Bush is a total dolt! He was a horrific spender -- wars, unpaid for medicare prescription drug benefit, tax cuts for the richest people and corps. But it was Bill Clinton who is responsible for the worst legislation and deregulation of the banks.

Tomasky is too soft on Obama. Maybe he'll make up for that on Monday. Obama's appointments show he was determined to make his presidency follow exactly in the lines of Clinton/Bush. He did not intend to change things. Just imagine if he would have appointed a "change cabinet"!
 
 
+1 # Joan Manning 2011-08-12 15:59
Obama has (at least ) two blind spots. First, he treats the Republican members of Congress as though they were rational beings. They're not.
Second, he doesn't seem to understand that the freshmen Republican members of Congress are called "young guns" by their party for a reason.
 

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