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Carl Gibson begins: "What if there was a group of terrorists holding your family hostage with a gun pointed at themselves, demanding the account number to your pension fund? Would you negotiate with the terrorists by allowing them access to your savings, or would you let them shoot themselves and keep your retirement money intact?"

President Barack Obama, with House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio, take part in a White House meeting, 07/07/11. (photo: AP)
President Barack Obama, with House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio, take part in a White House meeting, 07/07/11. (photo: AP)

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+115 # Drush 2011-07-10 22:12
Tax can only be gotten where there is money.
You can't get money out of people that are already in poverty.
The rich are not entitled to money. The country needs it is time for the wealthy to pay-up.
The fact the taxes have been too low led to this bubble mess in the first place. By letting too much cash accumulate with no where to go lead to all these bogus gambling investment schemes.
For years the most needed investment with the biggest pay-back has been in our country. Education (like free through college}, health care (not insurance) infrastructure, (not military).
Government does have a job to do believe it or not. Like maybe to serve everyone.
If a parasite kills its host game is over.
It is time to apply taxes where the money is.
 
 
+33 # NanFan 2011-07-11 03:05
If we are SO poor, tell me why we continue to give money to Israel for weapons, Saudi Arabia (who's rich as sh.t) for weapons, Afghanistan rebels for weapons, until yesterday, Pakistan for weapons, and on and on.

It sickens me to even say I'm an American at this juncture in history.

N.

Quoting Drush:
Tax can only be gotten where there is money.
You can't get money out of people that are already in poverty.
The rich are not entitled to money. The country needs it is time for the wealthy to pay-up.
The fact the taxes have been too low led to this bubble mess in the first place. By letting too much cash accumulate with no where to go lead to all these bogus gambling investment schemes.
For years the most needed investment with the biggest pay-back has been in our country. Education (like free through college}, health care (not insurance) infrastructure, (not military).
Government does have a job to do believe it or not. Like maybe to serve everyone.
If a parasite kills its host game is over.
It is time to apply taxes where the money is.
 
 
+8 # geraldom 2011-07-11 10:04
The U.S. has different reasons for giving money away to foreign countries, money that is badly needed here. Understand that I do not necessarily support what I say here. I don't!

Israel is unique among most of the nations that we give financial & military aide to. A strong Israel is an U.S. ally that helps guarantee U.S. control & influence in the region while, at the same time, protecting Israel from the many enemies that surrounds it.

The primary reasons as to why we give foreign aid, both financial & military, to foreign nations are the following:

o They become so addicted to the aid, rather than risk losing it, these countries will do whatever it takes to keep it. They'll do whatever we tell them to do, jump thru our hoops as Greece is doing by blocking that Gaza flotilla just as an example.

o A 2nd important reason, especially when it comes to military aid, the money that we give these nations comes right back to us in the form of supporting the military/indust rial complex. The money is like one big free grant with the only stipulation being the country's loyalty to our needs & demands, both political & otherwise.

o A 3rd reason for the military aid throughout the world is to simply maintain a state of chaos between countries & peoples which weakens them & helps the U.S. spread its doctrine.
 
 
+4 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-12 12:47
All 3 have failed got another option...
 
 
+31 # rf 2011-07-11 06:30
The rich may not be entitled to money but we may have to kill them to take it back!
 
 
+7 # bigkahuna671 2011-07-11 11:57
Sorry, NanFan, but Drush is right. The $$ we put out for foreign aid for weapons aren't actual $$, they're credits that we actually give our defense contractors (wonder who they are???) to provide weapons to our so-called allies, so the $$ don't leave the U.S., they remain here. However, you are also correct in that Saudi Arabia can quite comfortably pay their own way, so we shouldn't be helping them out...if you have anyone to blame there, however, it has to be the two Bushes because the main reason we got into subsidizing Saudi Arabia is because of the oil connections between the Bushes, their cronies, and the Saudi royal family. Finally, rf, you're right on, too. If we want to get rid of the parasites, we're going to have to do as we do with any parasite, kill it. Seems to me, to borrow from the Tear Partiers, maybe it's time for a little of Jefferson's blood-letting in order to save this so-called democracy!!!
 
 
+20 # tarantilla 2011-07-11 16:28
Not quite right. Republicans in control in Michigan are taxing people without money: pensions of the elderly, and abolishing tax credits for the poor. They cut taxes for big business (not me) to even things out. This will further diminish demand, and increase unemployment, for which they will blame Obama.
 
 
+23 # DurangoKid 2011-07-10 22:14
Unfortunately, with a debt based currency, there is really no other choice but raising the debt to increase the stock of money in a Keynesian manor. In economic hard times, the government is the only one left able to borrow. This method does have some advantages to the government printing money. For one, the stock of money never increases beyond what we can borrow. On the down side, our common currency is credit issued from private banks at interest. It amount to paying a tax to a private entity, not a sovereign one. It's also profoundly undemocratic as the power to issue has no check from the people. Another downside to this is that it further entrenches powerful interests who would run the economy only for their benefit. Unfortunately, they have the president's ear. We really can't do much about it until the banking and credit institutions are radically changed and the power to issue is debt free and under some form of accountability to the majority of the public. These institutions are also deeply embedded in our minds. Most people cannot see that there might be other ways to account for the value of their labor, store that value, and offer notes for exchange for commodities. Our form of money is probably the biggest impediment to our freedom.
 
 
+33 # Virginia 2011-07-10 22:27
You act like we still have pension funds to protect. Give it up Wyatt Earp - they rode out of town a long time ago and that's why the Republicans don't care.
 
 
+14 # DPM 2011-07-10 22:31
Amen, Brother!
 
 
+93 # Texan 4 Peace 2011-07-10 22:31
If we can't tax the rich, can we eat them?
 
 
+27 # Rick Levy 2011-07-11 00:07
Damn! This would be a great bumper sticker, Texan.
 
 
+22 # giraffee2012 2011-07-11 00:48
Quoting Texan 4 Peace:
If we can't tax the rich, can we eat them?

BBQd please.
 
 
+5 # cabotool 2011-07-12 10:55
Frankly, considering how the rich live, to eat them would gag a maggot.
 
 
+16 # NanFan 2011-07-11 03:25
Quoting Texan 4 Peace:
If we can't tax the rich, can we eat them?


I have a better idea...we need to FIRE THEIR ARSES and create a Shadow Government that is a think-tank in the wings that gets massive news coverage. In fact, I think I'm going to start this today. Nothing to lose...everythi ng to gain!

See you on the flipside...I'm the one with the sane ideas FOR the people who work in the trenches...you, me, and your neighbor down the street who's out of work and has no health insurance.

N.
 
 
+5 # BradFromSalem 2011-07-11 11:08
Nan,

Can I join your think tank? Who is going to go on the MSM and quote us? Can we make sh-t up like Heritage and all those other wacko right wing think tanks.
And most important of all, are we gonna get tanked on Irish Whiskey or Bourbon?
 
 
0 # Capn Canard 2011-07-13 08:29
I am with you on this idea of an alternative to right wing think tanks especially since the traditional intellectual collectives(Col leges, Universities et al) are, I believe, usurped by the money they get from wealthy foundations), I suggest that this may color their findings so as not to annoy the Wealthy, etc. It may be that the whole system is infected by a disease, a virulent pathogen that is "money". If money could be usurped, eliminated, or replaced then people may have a chance. Perhaps I can start my own out here on the lonely wind swept prairie...
 
 
0 # CL38 2011-07-14 16:18
It isn't money that's the problem. It's the character of those who use it to control and influence others, to reap even more power and add to their already bloated wealth at the expense of millions of others.
 
 
+8 # Virginia 2011-07-11 03:42
How about that for a bumper sticker?!
 
 
+16 # rm 2011-07-11 06:30
I don't think they would taste very good. Maybe you Texans know how to barbeque them for a very long time over low heat and with lots of smoke. But I'm not sure that would even get the sulphur taste out.
 
 
+16 # Still_Standing 2011-07-11 06:46
At last! A sensible and practical use for the rich.
 
 
+5 # David Roth 2011-07-11 10:54
In the avalanche of words regarding debt ceiling matters, one very salient factor is obscured. That is Obama could have let the Bush tax cut provisions expire. He chose not to for compassionate reasons. An effective leader must be ruthless, have steel in his soul. Read Machavelli
 
 
+9 # romulus 2011-07-11 11:21
They wouldn't taste very good! But they might make passable dog food.
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-12 12:50
Not mine nor my other creatures..woul d be Veggan first
 
 
0 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2011-07-13 07:36
Quoting Texan 4 Peace:
If we can't tax the rich, can we eat them?


The ER Staff people could not pump my stomach FAST ENOUGH! Not to mention my chlolesterol would FLY TO THE MOON!
 
 
+17 # giraffee2012 2011-07-10 22:51
President and CEO of B of A here. Finally a journalist told you leftists the pain I go through. Why should I pay my full share of taxes when I can keep making more money and not "forced" to pay! Eat your hearts out bc I'm part of the Koch Bro Mafia and now thanks to the Stupremes I have "person" hood so I can buy my politicians. The Koch brothers take good care of "the family" so long as we keep taking away "ability to form unions" from dem teachers (etc) and look how we are redistricting so many states so we can have more GOP/TP reps in the House.

Don't worry, tomorrow night President Obama (who may not be a citizen - ya know - born in Australia or some place) will tell all you old folks your social security account (500B taken out in 2010) and a few more billion were requested last Friday to fund our wars for our friends in the Far East so they can get educated to bomb those still around after you old folks won't have those monthly checks and a $1700 / year voucher for your medical. We should complete this cleansing of old people within 3-4 years.

Tell your grandkids to join the GOP so we won't have to spend too much $$ on TV bashing the others.

And to limit the # of children (after they are born bc there will be no more abortions) we've removed all free food (or will soon)
 
 
0 # garee peters 2011-07-11 08:08
...this is so cynical that it approaches incoherence..." the cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing"...Doro thy Parker
 
 
+17 # demongel 2011-07-10 23:23
Yes....somebody said it. It is simply time for we the people to stand up and take back what is rightfully ours. Yes that is revolution..... .the govt. will never give it to us because the govt. is the problem, that is the govt. is bought and paid for by the rich. The whole of it is on the verge of collapse so when the time is ripe, we need only have the courage. 'nuff said.
Ed
 
 
+28 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2011-07-10 23:41
I just watched a clip on "Faux News" at a place of business (I would never allow it on my tv). Ben Stein, of all people, even said to tax the rich because they are NOT paying enough. He really pissed off Laura "Stepford Wife" Ingraham; she foolishly claimed that $938 billion is NOT A LOT OF MONEY. She actually called it "a drop in the bucket." I actually agreed with Ben Stein! NEVER thought that would happen! Just watch for yourself, and enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAtJaJf1mUI
 
 
-1 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-12 12:53
Most of those who have money and conscience know that if they are atxed they can write it off. Letterman and other Celebrities said that last year. Baldwin.
GOP and Dems are afraid of losing their purse strings not the Oil Company..they would just have their accountants fix this and fix that.
dominance and submission..the y have us or so they think
 
 
+36 # Susan W 2011-07-10 23:49
Cut the offense budget in half and gain $320 billion before you even start.
 
 
+36 # Helen 2011-07-10 23:51
If Obama allows cuts in Social Security, medicare and medicaid, he is toast. In the near future, I shall register as a Socialist, and I bet lots of other Progressives will do the same. Let's give the public a real alternative to the greedy Republicans.
 
 
+20 # wroman 2011-07-11 07:30
As a democratic society we really do not act like one. As things have gotten worse for us the powers that be have succesfully divided us. We have a collective fear of loosing everything. We need someone to come along that unites us in common cause, 'we the people' are real and powerfull if we work together. Think France, the police teachers transit workers, cooks, nurses all agree to put all credit card and mortage payments on hold until the The Supreme Court, Congress, Senate and the President agree to act as a democracy. I suspect 3 months is what it would take and we would own the country.
 
 
+21 # Robert Uttaro 2011-07-11 07:55
Helen, My feelings might move in your direction except reforming SS and Medicare are necessary. For example, SS (which is not really in trouble for several reasons such as illegal immigrants contributions but no chance of receiving)could be 'reformed' by simply removing the $106,000 cap on earnings and tax every dollar of income. That means Wall Street bonuses in the millions would get hit with a FICA tax of 7.8%. CEO's making millions would pay a FICA tax. And so on. It would make SS solvent for ever and piss the wealthy off big time. (Which is a nice side benefit!) Medicare is more tricky but the key is to get health care costs down. To reform it maybe we should consider giving Medicare for everybody - a basic health care plan available to all. The inefficiencies within the current system which significantly contribute to the rising costs would be gone and it probably would save billions. Also Obama could apply a means test formula so the wealthy would have to pay more in Medicare taxes...a kind of progressive taxation applied to Medicare. I'm far from an expert on health care economics but it seems to me that in the current system, costs are driven by inefficiencies and that is why Medicare is paying out so much. Now if Obama cuts these programs rather than reforms them, I might follow you to the county office building and change my registration, too.
 
 
-3 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-12 12:59
They need a cleaning up however, twenty years ago both said it would never happen, I heard them myself.
I would start by firing the sobs that work there now and that would save tons. Most of those caseworkers and their bosses are lazy and deserve to be on the unemployment line like the rest of USA.
Cuts from Politicians, Military (who also said they didnot need some of the prototypes as they are not functional or realistic in terms of upkeep).
Look into Agencies and start cleaning them out, reworking them to fit the needs of today. No more Foreign Aid in USA or to other Countries. Some of our aid to others also puts us into positions we should not be in. Perhaps it is time for Countries who want to rule with a Big Stick to do so on their own. Those who actually need help, well all these Missions and Churches etc groping for your money can start going in and helping just like Jimmy Carter did here and abroad. These Ministers, Rabbis etc can give up their million dollar lifestyles and remember they are supposedly teachers of the Lord not Wall Street
 
 
+3 # Sharon T. 2011-07-14 06:17
My husband is from Australia and says that costs would go down if we had Medicare for everybody. But then we'd have no need for all those predatory insurance companies.
 
 
+33 # teineitalia 2011-07-11 00:00
this is so simple. What part of it are the lawmakers and the White House not getting/ not hearing? can someone please fax this piece to Obama? Or better yet, email it to his campaign. Where are the reasonable people? have they ALL left D.C?

maybe it's time to mount another candidate for POTUS. I would gladly vote for Kucinich, Sanders, Feingold or Alan Grayson... anyone who will stand up to the worst set of Rethugs in our history.
 
 
+8 # NanFan 2011-07-11 09:12
Quoting teineitalia:
this is so simple. What part of it are the lawmakers and the White House not getting/ not hearing? can someone please fax this piece to Obama? Or better yet, email it to his campaign. Where are the reasonable people? have they ALL left D.C?

maybe it's time to mount another candidate for POTUS. I would gladly vote for Kucinich, Sanders, Feingold or Alan Grayson... anyone who will stand up to the worst set of Rethugs in our history.


Shadow government in the works, as we speak. Watch for it...it's coming and they'll all be gone, down to the last itchy b.tchy one of them.

N.
 
 
+24 # maddave 2011-07-11 00:54
Bravo!

If Obama rolls over on this - as he did with the tax cut extension & single payer health care reform - all is lost. His base will not come out to support his re-election and - absent Hilliary Clinton (or jim Webb) making a surprise run at the Presidency - some member of the GOP Clown-of-the-Mo nth Club will be elected by default . . . and that clown will undoubtedly replace one or more Supreme Court Justices with additional Scalia-Thomas types. And that's just the beginning!
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-12 13:00
If he rolls over...when doesn't he..more like Fido retreive
 
 
+33 # Dan Clint 2011-07-11 01:08
We are experiencing fascism in this country. It is in your face obvious. Are American people stand up people or not? If we are, I think it's time to take our country back from this path of ruin. Nothing that is going on is what we stand for as a people. Only we the people can stop these bastards. I think it's time we do, don't you?
 
 
+32 # nimbleswitch 2011-07-11 01:31
It now could not be more clear: The long term objective of the Republican Party is to get as much money in as few hands as possible. The current short term objective of the Republican Party is to cause the Obama administration to fail—no matter what damage it does to the United States of America. I can no longer vote Republican.
 
 
+20 # genierae 2011-07-11 09:15
Why would anyone who isn't filthy rich vote for Republicans? And even the filthy rich are better off under Democrats, their worst instincts are being enabled by Republicans and this is very corrupting to their souls. Republicans are not sane and this makes them very dangerous.
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-12 13:02
The statement above is scary when did you get wakened, this has been building since the 60's
 
 
+26 # NanFan 2011-07-11 03:01
It's time "We, the People" rise up for real revolution to take BACK our US Constitution from the bots some of us have voted to represent us!

This is NOT a democracy; it is capitalism, pure and not so simple, shrouded in the propaganda that "We, the People" have more freedom BECAUSE OF our Constitution.

Uh...NOT! Get a grip. We need a Wisconsin moment, an Egypt moment, and I doubt that the voting in 2012 will be enough to turn any tide. We're a sinking ship for sure.

My biggest thing is that it is OUR money they are asking us to now give up and that they've been using for years. Are you kidding me? I want my money back!! And do NOT ask me, a lowly teacher, to pay taxes on the backs of the richest 1% in America.

I'm outta here...N.
 
 
+25 # m 2011-07-11 03:49
END THE EXTREMELY NARROW GLOBAL CORPORATE GRIP ON ALMOST ALL AMERICAN MEDIA ENTERPRISES AND EVENTUALLY-- 'RICH SCREWING EVERYONE ELSE' PROBLEM SOLVED.
I am 60 years old. When I came of age, Media Enterprises in America were owned and operated by hundreds of different, separate and diverse entities. The TRUTH was easier to find and believe. There were strict Media Ownership Regulations which existed to maintain such large and varying diversity, unlike today after 30 years of endless DEREGULATION OF EVERYTHING FOR THE SAKE OF WANTON GREED AND THE QUEST FOR GREATER POWER AND CONTROL BY A FEW FOR A FEW.
A Fairness Doctrine in Media existed then to maintain an easy flow of differing viewpoints in ways which exposed most Americans to such different views. The very idea that any of Mainstream Media in America would be broadly and almost exclusively used as a political propaganda machine was incredulous.
NOT SO TODAY.
Now, almost all Media Enterprises, and thus, almost all the major pipelines for 'Free Speech' and Our Constitutionall y Mandated 'Free Press is now owned and readily exploited all too often for political purposes by the too much of the very few GLOBAL CORPORATE CONGLOMERATES that own it.
End this antithesis to the very Idea of Democracy and OUR REPUBLIC, which is in grave peril because of it.
This is at the heart of Our Problems.
 
 
+11 # Saberoff 2011-07-11 10:33
In 1970, when I started working in broadcast radio (spent 35 years) the thousands of independent owners/operator s of small installations across the country lived in fear of getting their licenses revoked by a Federal Communications Commission that REQUIRED all licensees to demonstrate (keep records of) their commitment to reporting news and public service programming (restrictions on advertising per hour, as well). There were yearly reviews. The station conducted regular meetings regarding what to do if visited by FCC agents at any day of the week, any hour of the night: give them access to the station's records; call the General Manager. All just nostalgia now, in the wake of the make-everybody- stupid, take-away-every one’s-rights, and-make-oursel ves-filthy-rich , plan for the industry and the country.
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-12 13:05
People made them selves stupid by being lazier than the Government. Many of us have been aware, Marching, holding meetings, helping to get Laws in that now are goin out since the 60's. Maybe it is time the Youngsters start realizing that we old hippies have held the ball for a long time, many of my peers are gone so if you want a life, better start swimming or you sink, cause the times they are changing not for Democracy.
 
 
+36 # moby doug 2011-07-11 04:49
Obama makes concession after concession to the Repiglican blackmailers. And this tells them that he's an appeaser and they can trample him MORE. The so-called payroll tax cut is especially egregious, because it's a Repig Trojan Horse to defund the Social Security system. Bush awarded the super rich trillions in "temporary" tax cuts right after starting his trillion dollar boondoggle of a no-bid war in Iraq. Now the Repigs want to make those cuts permanent while destroying, profitizing, and "privatizing" Social Security and Medicaid. It's a monstrous plan and they make Benedict Arnold look like Little Bo Peep.
 
 
+17 # rm 2011-07-11 07:34
moby doug says, "The so-called payroll tax cut is especially egregious, because it's a Repig Trojan Horse to defund the Social Security system."

Yes, this is really important and very few people notice it. Reducing the payroll tax has been recommended by right wing think tanks for a long time, esp. the Heritage Fdn. They see it as a way to defund and eventually destroy Social Security and Medicare. A tax cut for the middle class is the bait.

Why would Obama pick up an idea from the right wing? Doesn't he have any ideas of his own? Apparently not.
 
 
+6 # Diane Johnson 2011-07-11 13:43
Quoting moby doug:
Obama makes concession after concession to the Repiglican blackmailers. And this tells them that he's an appeaser and they can trample him MORE. The so-called payroll tax cut is especially egregious, because it's a Repig Trojan Horse to defund the Social Security system. Bush awarded the super rich trillions in "temporary" tax cuts right after starting his trillion dollar boondoggle of a no-bid war in Iraq. Now the Repigs want to make those cuts permanent while destroying, profitizing, and "privatizing" Social Security and Medicaid. It's a monstrous plan and they make Benedict Arnold look like Little Bo Peep.

PRIVATIZE... THAT MEANS GIVE TO WALL ST.... AND THE COSTS GO UP... BECAUSE OF THE THEFT WE CAN EXPECT.
 
 
+13 # rm 2011-07-11 05:12
While this is a good article and makes perfect sense -- let the financial terrorists on wall street and in the republican party to blow themselves up -- Carl cites a lot of information that republicans use and that is simply false.

"Since 1950, capital gains taxes have dropped 10 percent." This is not correct. Capital gains have dropped a lot more than that. Right now capital gains are taxed at 15% with all kinds of loophole deductions so the effective tax rate is near 1-3%.

Overall, corporations pay less than 4% of the money the USG takes in compared to more than 40% in the 1950s. That's a whole lot of money that has been transferred to private accounts. Increasing taxes on the middle class have made up the difference.

But I also question the severity of the failure to increase the debt limit. Who cares? Don't raise it. Obama and his administration will have to pick and choose what to pay. They will have to cancel all Pentagon procurement projects. No more bombs, no more new jets. No more foreign aid to Israel, Egypt, Colombia, Pakistan. No more Homeland Security. No more TSA feel ups. It won’t take long for the republicans to come crawling on their knees begging for a debt limit increase.

Sadly, Obama is part of the terrorist gang, only under cover. His best friends are people like Jamie Diamon. He is not our friend.
 
 
+14 # Still_Standing 2011-07-11 07:59
"Sadly, Obama is part of the terrorist gang, only under cover."

Obama under cover? Personally, I think he's an overt enemy to anyone with progressive or even moderate inclinations and it's high time we started treating him as such. I think we should demand that he run as a Republican and insist that he remove the "D" after his name on the ballot.
 
 
+21 # Barbara K 2011-07-11 05:45
The poor and shrinking middle class, the elderly trying to live month to month on SS, and the sick needing Medicare and Medicaid, just plain have nothing left to give. The elderly paid all their lives, now it's time for the rich to pay their fair share. That is where the money is, the rest have little to live on and many have lost jobs, their homes, and are living on the streets and in shelters with nothing left. The wealthy have gotten away with way too much during the Bush years and the past 2 years, it is time for them to pay up and stop expecting the rest of us to fund everything. It's time for them to pay the piper for a change as well as the big corps who hide their money offshore. Charge them a minimum of $500,000. If they think they don't owe that much, let them prove it.
 
 
+16 # stonecutter 2011-07-11 06:11
When you read a piece like this, you realize how the whole GOP tax charade is the essence of pure greed and the opposite of common sense. The truly scary element is this so-called Democrat president's willingness to gut historical entitlements, rather than stand firm as Gibson implores him to do. The president's non-leadership has allowed reactionary hacks like Eric Cantor to derive far more power on this and related issues than the echo chamber of his comparatively miniscule constituency deserves. Obama, in his neurotic quest to build irrational consensus with people who transparently hate his guts and want to figuratively (in some cases literally) "lynch" his presidency, has created this impasse mostly through his own tepid, ineffectual, non-confrontati onal-at-any-cos t management style.

NOW is the time to go "All In" on these fiscal creeps and make them face the blatant consequences of their folly: CALL THEIR BLUFF!

Wouldn't it be sweet to see that unfold?
Obama would be re-elected in a landslide!
Is this guy for real, was he EVER for real, or is he just the black Jimmy Carter...one term and off the radar screen?
 
 
+6 # NanFan 2011-07-11 09:09
Problem is...no one's really driving the bus.

Quoting stonecutter0602:
When you read a piece like this, you realize how the whole GOP tax charade is the essence of pure greed and the opposite of common sense. The truly scary element is this so-called Democrat president's willingness to gut historical entitlements, rather than stand firm as Gibson implores him to do. The president's non-leadership has allowed reactionary hacks like Eric Cantor to derive far more power on this and related issues than the echo chamber of his comparatively miniscule constituency deserves. Obama, in his neurotic quest to build irrational consensus with people who transparently hate his guts and want to figuratively (in some cases literally) "lynch" his presidency, has created this impasse mostly through his own tepid, ineffectual, non-confrontational-at-any-cost management style.

NOW is the time to go "All In" on these fiscal creeps and make them face the blatant consequences of their folly: CALL THEIR BLUFF!

Wouldn't it be sweet to see that unfold?
Obama would be re-elected in a landslide!
Is this guy for real, was he EVER for real, or is he just the black Jimmy Carter...one term and off the radar screen?
 
 
+14 # Still_Standing 2011-07-11 06:44
"A truly principled leader would refuse to negotiate with terrorists..."

Aye, there's the rub, because instead of a principled leader, we have a sniveling, timorous, capitulating corporate catamite eager to sell the poor and elderly down the river if given half a chance.

But don't worry, folks, after he stabs you in the back, he'll deliver an eloquent defense for his treachery.
 
 
+2 # Diane Johnson 2011-07-11 13:44
Quoting Still_Standing:
"A truly principled leader would refuse to negotiate with terrorists..."

Aye, there's the rub, because instead of a principled leader, we have a sniveling, timorous, capitulating corporate catamite eager to sell the poor and elderly down the river if given half a chance.

But don't worry, folks, after he stabs you in the back, he'll deliver an eloquent defense for his treachery.

CHURCHILL ONCE TRIED TO APPEASE HITLER... IT DIDNT WORK THAT WELL
 
 
0 # SteveM 2011-07-12 19:35
Quoting Diane Johnson:
Quoting Still_Standing:
"A truly principled leader would refuse to negotiate with terrorists..."

Aye, there's the rub, because instead of a principled leader, we have a sniveling, timorous, capitulating corporate catamite eager to sell the poor and elderly down the river if given half a chance.

But don't worry, folks, after he stabs you in the back, he'll deliver an eloquent defense for his treachery.

CHURCHILL ONCE TRIED TO APPEASE HITLER... IT DIDNT WORK THAT WELL


No.....that was Neville Chamberlain.
 
 
+23 # Jay Magoo 2011-07-11 06:48
If ever there was a situation that deserved the name "no-brainer," this is it. More than 66 percent of Americans favor making the extremely wealthy (those George W. Bush described, when he initiated his obscene tax cuts, as his base) pay their fair share. Less than one percent of all Americans favor cutting Social Security and Medicare. Yet the Republicans and Speaker Boehner insist on ignoring the wishes of two out of every three voters. Write letters to those Tea Party ideologues, call them, remind them that to favor their rich contributors they are ignoring the will of the people they are supposed to represent. Issues separating the Republican leadership from the rest of us don't come much clearer than this one. We need to act.
 
 
+17 # JayMagoo 2011-07-11 07:00
If there was ever an issue that qualified for the term, "no-brainer" this is it. More than 66 percent of Americans, two out of three, want the federal government to re-instate fair taxes on the very rich (who George W. Bush called "my base" when he cut their taxes) and less than 1% of all Americans want the government to cut Social Security or Medicare. Yet US Rep. Boehner and the rest of the right wing Republican ideologues insist that the rich continue to avoid their fair share of taxes. How can they be so deaf? We must remind them that they are going against overwhelming public opinion. Every American should write and call these Republicans and remind them that by favoring their wealthy contributors to the detriment of the rest of us, they are violating every concept of public service in a democracy. Let's get on the phone and let's write emails. We've got to make our outrage known!!
 
 
+2 # rm 2011-07-12 10:22
JayMagoo says, "they are violating every concept of public service in a democracy. Let's get on the phone and let's write emails. We've got to make our outrage known!!"

This is not possible in modern democracies. The ruling elite knows how to manage public opinion very effectively. They know how to stage elections so that people get worked up over non-issues. The ruling elite can marshall an astro-turf rebellion like the Teabaggers and have the media start proclaiming that 2/3 of americans want to cut corporate tax and let the free market solve all the problems.

Phone calls and emails to members of congress don't work. When the ruling elite supports and issue, their mass media claims that phone calls and email support the issue too. But when phone calls and email run 1000 to 1 against an issue, that fact is just ignored.

Things will have to get worse before they will get better. They are going to get a lot worse. The results of the Obama-Boner negotiations will be reduced corporate tax and cuts in social security and medicare benefits to pay for it.

When it is time, the middle class will have to stage a tax strike -- just stop paying. As in all such strikes, when people learn they can refuse to pay and that they have the courage to face down the federal police, then they become scary. Then they have power.
 
 
+9 # soularddave 2011-07-11 07:02
Congress people and the President took oaths to the Constitution; not to Norquist's "drown 'em in the bathtub" piece of paper.

We need to get our recall petitions circulating. That'll get their attention, and maybe clean house before the election.

Yeah, smart taxation to tax money that's held out of circulation - especially that which is being 'off-shored'. Neither my retirement funds, nor I appreciate being held for ransom.
 
 
+10 # BradFromSalem 2011-07-11 07:24
It seems to me that with all these teachers that have been laid off, they could perform one last civic act before they go away to starve.

They should all go to DC, round up every Republican. This round up would be mandatory for Tea Party fools. Then teach them arithmetic, not even math; just plain arithmetic.

Drill into their puny brains, the stuff we all learned in the third grade.
The Number Line.
and
Label Your Work.

It seems to me that either they all forgot 3rd grade, or the Tea Party folks are all the ones that were out that day. Another possibility is that all they care about is getting control of the country.

And what is scarier, is that they want the power so bad, they are willing to destory it in order to gain power. What will they do with a decimated USA?
 
 
+13 # miltlau 2011-07-11 08:14
Why are proposals to tax the super-rich so modest? If the top 1% got only share they got in the late '70s, they would have $2 trillion less. If taxes on them were raised by $2 trillion, they would still live high off the hog, the deficit would disappear, and plenty would be left for education, infrastructure, and a safety net for the unfortunate. Under Eisenhower, the top bracket was over 90%, the middle class and the country as a whole thrived.
 
 
+15 # fredboy 2011-07-11 08:20
Hard to do, as the rich own the House, Senate, and the White House.
And they own the minds of the tens of millions of idiots who believe they will one day strike it rich--thus vote to favor the rich.
It's as if America has become a massive, teeming satire. Would make a hilarious movie.
 
 
+7 # ruthee 2011-07-11 08:29
J. Magoo, thank you for reasonable assessments on "what to do" NOW! If we can get 20 fonecalls from each othe contributors listed HERE, we could make a severe dent in the Wash.DC switchboard! I'm for peacful means before we all take up our swords & plowshares. Eat the rich? I dont want the likes of them in my belly!
Our outrage is not yet known. ruth Mck.
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-12 13:12
I keep tell everyone to write letters and send return receipt, call everyone, call state and federal. Get everyone you know, get retired parents to do so, email them. But flood them with good remarks no threats. Remind them that they are gonna go and their constituents because we do not need them anymore
 
 
+1 # karenvista 2011-07-15 00:14
Quoting ruthee:
J. Magoo, thank you for reasonable assessments on "what to do" NOW! If we can get 20 fonecalls from each othe contributors listed HERE, we could make a severe dent in the Wash.DC switchboard!

Calling the White House might help, I do it frequently, although when I called on Monday to tell them what I thought about Social Security and Medicare being "on the table" I was on hold for 22 minutes before a recording came on saying "due to unusually high call volume we can't take your call." I live in Texas. All our Senators and Representatives are the perpetrators of these outrages (Republicans)so they never listen to us. And now we're expoting another tarantula-the excrebale Rick Perry. A lying, incompetent, privatizing, bribe taking and, as people in Texas know a hypocritical "me thinks though doest protest too much" anti-gay propagandist. He's about as straight as Marcus Bachmann. It would be their own private business but they are both so "Christian, family value, pray away the gay." They remind me of Ted Haggard.
 
 
+1 # Marvin H. Gladstone 2011-07-15 13:15
"A lying, incompetent, privatizing, bribe-taking . . .ant-gay propagandist."

All true, Karenvista, but nobody's perfect!
 
 
+14 # genierae 2011-07-11 09:23
Our best chance to take our country back is by taking our communities back. We need to get involved locally, go to town halls, mayor's meetings, town councils, etc. We need to run for office, support good candidates, speak our minds. We need to support local businesses including farmers' markets, grow our own food, help those who are out of work, etc. There is much we can do locally to lift up the common good and this could become a grass-roots effort nationwide to regain our democracy. The combined will of the American people has the power to overcome this Republican onslaught, where there's a will, there's a way.
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-12 13:14
Very good, make sure you all get to ones with Media. Keep yourselves funny, poignant no radical because that is what they want to show the Morons..we are the Morons. Go to meetings Question their Accounts, Budgets, Spending, Questions why they spend money on anything that is not helping the Community Grow...People in Depressed Counties You especially start moving
 
 
+5 # e urdanoff 2011-07-11 09:38
the problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-12 13:15
You can undo it by showing up, by showing your not sleeping anymore. Want to continue to be a defeatist..go ahead but that is what got us here...attitude s just like yours
 
 
+7 # VSweet 2011-07-11 10:31
Why is it that we the People see the need to TAX the RICH and the Republicans don't? CAMPAIGN MONIES!

Revisit and enter amendments to CAP monetary amounts on Campaign giving. Otherwise, we are beating dead horses to finish the race. Also, we the People need to amend that all legislative brancehs of govt. be put into the same health care plan we have. Or purchase their own!!
 
 
+7 # Carolyn 2011-07-11 10:36
There is only one way to solve the debit crisis. FDR save the nation by installing the GlassSteagall Act. it is sitting in the House of Representatives , waiting to be re-instated. Obama does not want it passed. There is no other way.
 
 
+5 # Diane Johnson 2011-07-11 13:48
Quoting Carolyn:
There is only one way to solve the debit crisis. FDR save the nation by installing the GlassSteagall Act. it is sitting in the House of Representatives, waiting to be re-instated. Obama does not want it passed. There is no other way.

THE GLASS STEAGAL ACT WHICH SEPARATED LOCAL SAVINGS BANKS FROM INVESTMENT BANKS AND INSURANCE COMPANIES SHOULD BE EXTENDED AS A BIG TRUST BUSTER AND INCLUDE AND HEDGEFUNDS AND BROKERAGE HOUSES.
 
 
+8 # angelfish 2011-07-11 11:16
Do you mean to tell me that a majority CAN'T be found in our Houses of Congress to IMPEL the blood sucking Rich to pay their fair share of the Tax Burden? Are they NOT citizens? WHY is it the responsibility of the over-worked, over-burdened, poor and unemployed to pay MORE, and MORE and MORE while these egregious Bast**ds pay LESS and LESS and LESS? You'd think that they might have a modicum of shame over feeding off the less fortunate for SO long! Suffice to say that, I'd rather be me than them! "Better a dinner of herbs where Love is, than a stalled Ox and hatred therewith"! ...and, they ARE hateful! They are morally bankrupt and, almost, more to be pitied than censured! Remember to REGISTER to VOTE long before the Election as they will do ANYTHING to try and disenfranchise you! The power of one, becomes the POWER of MANY! VOTE!
 
 
+6 # Observer 47 2011-07-11 12:31
Voting has nothing to do with it, angelfish. Bush lost in 2000 and again in 2004, but somehow, he nevertheless ended up in the White House for eight years. As long as the corporations control the voting process---which they do: see "Diebold"---it doesn't matter a tinker's damn how everybody in the whole country votes. Democracy expired long ago!
 
 
+4 # angelfish 2011-07-11 16:49
Maybe, Observer 47, but NOBODY stood up and cried out for JUSTICE! Al Gore, Gentleman that he is, acquiesced and the Supremes did the bidding of their Masters. People are too sick and tired, evidently, to make any waves. I say, be like Mother Jones, agitate the Hell out of them and MAKE them be honest! Eventually, the power of one, becomes the POWER of MANY! It DOES matter a "Tinker's Damn"! The voters stayed away in droves during the last Election, hence, the THUGS were able to re-take the House. If you don't Vote you ABSOLUTELY have no voice. Then again, there's always "Le Deluge".
 
 
+1 # Observer 47 2011-07-12 09:44
Whether you vote or not, you ABSOLUTELY have no voice. If 100,000,000 people vote for Candidate A, and the corporations want Candidate B in office, then the election results will show that Candidate B is the one who got the 100,000,000 votes. I live in Ohio. In the 2004 election, all the exit polls indicated that Kerry took the state. Not long after midnight, every TV station called the state for Kerry. By morning, however, something had happened, and mysteriously, Ohio had gone to Bush. Ohio is the home of Diebold, the company that makes voting machines, whose CEO vowed to do everything he could to get Bush elected. There wasn't even any investigation. Your vote means nothing. Voting is NOT the answer when the elections are rigged! I agree that the power of many is the only answer, but that power does not come via the polls, for a certainty.
 
 
+1 # karenvista 2011-07-15 00:39
Quoting Observer 47:
Whether you vote or not, you ABSOLUTELY have no voice. In the 2004 election, all the exit polls indicated that Kerry took the state, after midnight, every TV station called the state for Kerry. By morning, however, something had happened, and mysteriously, Ohio had gone to Bush.

In the words of Stalin-"It's not who votes that counts-it's who counts the votes." That's the point we have arrived at here. When Venezuela can have their electronic voting machines, manufactured in Florida & create a paper trail and a receipt for the voters, who do you think is more concerned with having a free and fair election? I just consider my votes as little speed bumps that the election officials have to exert a little extra energy to delete or change. Since we don't demand verifiable voter receipts and paper trails for recounts we'll never have free elections again.

I was working the polls in Texas on election night in 2004 and the conservative radio stations were lamenting that Kerry had won. But, as you said, the next morning everything had changed and you couldn't even find exit poll data on the internet. It had been scrubbed. Funny, we use exit poll data to rate how free and fair elections are in other countries and they are typically on target unless the election is fraudulent. Here we just say the exit poll was wrong. Isn't that odd?
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-12 13:18
But You can change it ...You have to stop your attitude and start working to move people up and off their butts to do somehting for themselves. Most of you wouldn't do a thing because you are defeatists therefore just what the GOP likes. Talk about the others being Morons..go look in the mirror
 
 
+6 # rtrues54 2011-07-11 14:13
The ONLY way to SAVE OUR COUNTRY is REVOLUTION!!! If the Middle class and the Poor can somehow band together we can SAVE THE U.S.!!! IT IS OUR DUTY. Outside of this, I see no way that our children will have a FREE country to live in. HOW DO WE DO IT???
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-12 13:21
You ar doing it, you are starting with questions. There are groups all over the USA moving along, you do not have to agree with them all but go to the meetings feel out how people are saying, doing. Then start making some notes, get people like you interested...It takes One Person to make Changes happen. If anyone believes we cannot change the world, you are already a GOP
 
 
+8 # foxtrottango 2011-07-11 16:01
The rich don't creat jobs, they create servants with low paid wages and no benefits. The rich are not patriotic, they just move themselves and their children to other places when the going gets tough. The USA rich don't pay taxes, they just claim another country to avoid paying them. The rich don't pay for the police, they don't have too, they have politician who who make the laws to select judges, juries and police unions to protect them. The rich are prejudice people, they hate the poor, the weak, the aged, the sick and only uses them as cannon fodder when wars are instigated to keep them rich.

So what good are "America's" rich? Either tax the hell out of them, and if they refuse, deport or ban them forever from setting foot on American soil, or somewhere else where they can fight their wars and battles. politicians too, must be held accountable for betraying, cheating, sending our young men and women to wars they created for the rich! They and those five supreme courts justices must also be charge as traitors to the American people and must be either deported or jailed as criminals.

And if American industries and corporations wish to outsource Americans jobs, they they too must be deported and not set foot on American soil again. But first they must be a heavy fine to the American people.

Problemas solved!
 
 
+3 # Rainphase 2011-07-11 17:41
In other words, enact the People's Budget, proposed by the congressional Progressive Caucus !

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/files/The_CPC_FY2012_Budget.pdf
 
 
+3 # Rixar13 2011-07-11 18:06
"But if Speaker Boehner genuinely cares about deficit reduction, he need only look to ending his own party’s policies and shifting the tax burden."

Tax the wealthy, majority rules...
 
 
+2 # wwway 2011-07-11 18:16
I support the People's Budget proposed by the Progressive caucus.
Concerning Grover Norquist's campaign pledge I think that it's treasonious to agree to tie the hands of representative democracy. I will never vote for anyone who admits they're not willing or prepared to negociate. Signing a pledge is such an admission.
 
 
+1 # reiverpacific 2011-07-12 09:06
First off Diane Johnson most respectfully, it was NEVILLE CHAMBERLIN (and Stalin at one point) who negotiated with Hitler; Churchill never had any illusions about that stupidity, which is why he became P.M. and went after the monster of the Third Reich right from the beginning of his premiership.
So much for history.
Now to reality; one can't blame really Obama for trying to find a bipartisan solution early on in his term in spite of the overtly obstructionist tactics of his minority opponents. But to continue to try and find middle ground with these enemies of most of the people after all this time under their thrall and shouts of "NO-NO-NO!" is beyond my understanding. -But what do I know as one of the riff-raff???
D'you think that, if the Repug's had had a super-majority for even a short time, they'd have tried to work with anybody or anything?
"O' Tempora-o' Mores!" (Cicero).
 
 
+1 # Cynthia 2011-07-12 09:34
Couldn't agree more.
 
 
0 # Blast Dorrough 2011-07-12 18:22
The Corporatecrafte rs and the greedy wealthy of imagined nobility must be held accountable for their plunder of U.S. revenues and resources, all in blatant mockery of the Preamble to the Constitution mandating egalitarian and economic justice for the working class, small business owners and the Seniors thereof. The Constitution is our Moral Compass and only Authority under our constitutional Republic. But how do we reclaim our constitutional Republic free of all corruptive forces when Corporatecrafte rs control elections as clearly shown by the persistent and remarkable New Guards in the video report "Hacking Democracy." They are truly American heroes. Under the Declaration of Independence all Americans are ordained at birth or at citizenship as "new Guards" with the responsibility to safeguard our constitutional Republic when under threat. We are faced with the most serious American Crisis of all on our watch as New Guards. Only a Gandhi-like boycott of the monopolistic empire of the evil Corporatecrafte rs would be very effective. Boycott two or three major Corporations at a time -- Exxon, Disney, AT&T, etc. "They" would soon get the message who is truly in charge. Hopefully, anyway.
 
 
0 # Blast Dorrough 2011-07-12 21:17
In Federalist Paper 84 on May 28, 1788, Monarchist Alexander Hamilton gave the only known cure for the parasitical and incorrigible criminal class of the greedy wealthy of imagined nobility: "Nothing need be said to illustrate the importance of the prohibition of titles of nobility. This may truly be denominated the corner stone of republican government; for so long as they [the imagined nobility] are excluded, there can never be serious danger that the government will be any other than that of the people." We must put the talented of the working class and the exceptional of the rich Progressives in positions of power. Reason tells us that we are stuck with supporting the "Democrats" although President Obama seems to have completely morphed into a "Republican" and a political clone of George W.
 
 
+1 # wrodwell 2011-07-13 11:14
I saw a pithy political cartoon over a month ago featuring several segments of Obama's explanations why he's taken the path he has, which are so contrary to his campaign trail statements regarding "change". After rebuffing the usual "how come you haven't done this or that, Mr. President", the Obama caricature responds that he can't understand why Republicans are even bothering to run against him in the next election since he's done what they would've done anyway had they controlled the presidency. When is this finally going to sink in for people?
 

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