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Franklin Graham, a brand-name evangelist (the son of Billy Graham), has repeatedly denigrated Islam - not Islamic fundamentalists who engage in terrorism, but the entire religion.

Franklin Graham, 07/21/06. (photo: Rich Herard/HERARDMEDIA.COM/flickr)
Franklin Graham, 07/21/06. (photo: Rich Herard/HERARDMEDIA.COM/ flickr)

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+5 # Bob-Investigates 2010-04-23 22:37
Pathetic Palin! Disgrace to the human race. It's no wonder Murdock hired her for FOX fake "news", she fits right in with "ex" druggie-alcohol ic Wreck-of-a-Beck , Bill O'Leilly--Mr. "SHUT-UP!!!", Head-in-Fanny-H annity (that says it all),and Lush Limpbaugh--the guy who dodged the draft with a pimple on his butt and loves oxycontin!
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-04-24 00:06
With the Judeo-Christian element having wholesale murdered Islamic peoples, for decades, it's certainly questionable who the "terrorists" are!
Unfortunately, they have the oil that US/Jew Oil corporations want to control.

Islam DOES believe that Christ was a Prophet!

It's ONLY the Jews that don't think so....

Read the Koran!
On second thought, don't bother since the Jewish controlled
news media wants you to believe otherwise.
 
 
+6 # Grandma M 2010-04-24 00:09
So what's new? My opinion is that Palin's always wrong isn't she? She just wants to keep her mouth flapping so she can stay in the news.
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-04-24 00:24
Cults scare me. Evangelicals are cultists, IMO. Their faith is toxic as well as an addiction which transcends Christianity. The angrier people become, the more they turn to cults and the excuses they provide, to misreprepresent and manipulate "religion." We have already seen far too many chips-off-the-o ld- blocks who use their daddies to get on A lists, Twig being one of the latest dismal prime examples. That is just what they are - chips. Part of our responsibility, obviously, is to recognise the mavericks from the regegades.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-24 04:58
Making a "martyr" out of Graham was foolish in the present intensifying hate polarity that passes for American politics.
Of course Islam is evil.as is Christianity and Judaism!
Look at the present crisis in the Roman church-is that not evil?
The truth is that we are all mere humans and will be both evil and saintly-this is true of all human endeavor.
We have simply made one more assault in the Culture Wars,for what?
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-04-24 18:52
calling any religion simply evil is what's being brought up in this article. evil's no-doubt been done in the name of all the major (and, dare i say, minor) religions. i acknowledge that's a generalization, but corn's point was of condemning a faith wholesale. 'disinviting' graham was simply common sense.
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-04-24 05:49
I entirely agree with David Corn, and certainly support the dis-invite of Graham! The National Day of Prayer should not be occurring within the structure of the government anyway, and this yearly prayer breakfast (with heavy involvement of the C-Street crowd) shouldn't be officially sanctioned by the attendance of the President.
 
 
-5 # Guest 2010-04-24 06:42
Before jumping on the bandwagon proclaiming that "Islam is a great and peaceful religion, Mr. Corn, may I suggest you read the Koran, a few of the Prophet's hadiths and associated pronouncements from hundreds of clerics. Why do you suppose so many hate-filled (because they love Mohammed) Muslims are out there trying to kill not just Christians, not just Jews, but Hindus and any other non-Muslims? The fact is that about 15% of Islam's practioners are these kinds of people, inspired by the sacred texts of the religion.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-04-24 15:07
Well Nils H Wessell, after going to the book store and buying "Islam For Dummies" and reading it thoroughly followed by then purchasing a copy of the Koran and reading it through (a difficult read I confess, but breathtaking in many places), I can safely say you don't know squat, but you think you do. I despise Muslim fanatics as much as I despise Christian fanatics or any fanatic. What I will say about the Koran is that it gives specific instruction on the humane treatment of Christians and Jews as well as the proper and decent care of prisoners of war. It is as inappropriate to generalize on all Muslims as it is to generalize on all Christians, of which I am devoutly one. Have you ever gone to mosque? Go some time and get educated.

Islam is a great religion whose members pray to the same God as we do, five times a day. Do Christians? While I have no desire to be a Muslim, if forced to choose between it and being a Christian fundamentalist such as Graham, I'd go Muslim in a heart beat.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-04-24 17:19
muslims are out there trying to kill christians?? who where? We cant even cut down a tree. Yes muslim countries are here with tanks and machine guns stealing our resources, imprisoning, raping, torturing... Uh those are our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq where we have killed millions and caused more millions to flee their countries...at cost of 4 Billion a week!
 
 
-11 # Guest 2010-04-24 08:43
Graham is totally correct, Duh. Islam want's world domination, by force. But maybe women shouldn't drive a car like they can't in the "kingdom".
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-04-24 08:57
The two issues here are: 1) what is the DoD budget for this event and if tax payer dollars are used to fund it, how can it discriminate; and 2) why has there been no judicial challenge of the event in the past 6 decades? separation of church and state issue....
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-04-24 08:58
NOTE TO Nils H Wessell:
The "15% of Islam's practitioners . . . inspired by the sacred texts of the religion" you cite are at least equaled by the growing numbers of such Christian militant groups as the recently-expose d Hutarees right here in America. The "sacred texts" of ANY religion can - and often are - perverted to justify the subjugation and wholesale destruction of any sub-group that said religion's leaders deem inconvenient to their aspirations. Organized religion is the worst thing ever to happen to the human race, though a look at the pictures coming out of Iceland over the past week show how inevitably primitive humans were lead to conclude that angry and powerful gods need to appeased.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-04-24 13:59
Procyon Lotor: The Hutarees and their like-minded Christians number, I would guess, fewer than one one-hundredth of one percent of Christians. Please read Shuras 4 (Women) and 9 (Repentance) before opining too vociferously on Franklin Graham's purported misunderstandin g of Islamic sacred texts. Dawood's translation is available on the Internet. Your comments?
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-04-24 15:16
Nils, I've done you a disservice. You have read at least portions of the Koran. Hey! Nothing like selective reading! The Bible works that way too! Glad you've caught on to the fact that either holy book can be read to suit your point of view, whatever it is!

Oh, and the 15% you mention? The Muslim world tends to make the mistake of seeing us, and Europe, as Christian nations and we aren't. They evaluate and judge our actions in light of our being Christian nations. Any Muslim in the middle east would be entirely justified to be suspicious of us, and prone to militancy. Have we not illegally invaded middle eastern states? Of course we have! And the crimes of the Crusaders? You'd better believe that at least 15% of so called Christians would, if given the chance, rain damnation upon every Muslim alive and our treatment of those we call "ragheads" smacks of cruelty. The Hutarees? Tip of the ice berg my friend.
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-04-25 08:04
Daniel, your history is putting the cart before the horse, as so often happens when mindless do-gooders trot out the Crusades as a reason why Muslims might find Christians aggressive. But the Crusades were a COUNTERATTACK after Mohammed's followers conquered by the sword those previously non-Muslim lands. Why are you on such a pathetic guilt trip?
If you think the two surahs I cited are "selective citations," take a look at how long each is and how often "people who were given the Scriptures" (Jews and Christians) are condemned if they do not convert.

Next of course you will quote the SINGLE verse in the Koran that says "there shall be no compulsion in religion." Now THERE is an example of a selective quotation. There are at least two DOZEN, maybe far more, imperatives directly contrary. For example, good Muslims are told not to have friends who are Christians and Jews (and Hindus etc).
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-04-25 14:22
Nils, me a mindless do-gooder? How quaint. A compliment perhaps? Me on a pathetic guilt trip? How incredibly absurd!
Let's consider the Crusades. I find it ironic that you are unaware of the difference between the politics of the middle east in that time and the religion of it's people. Yes, like Christians always do, they invoked their faith on behalf of their political interests. But the desire to spread Islam was no different than the Crusaders desire to spread Christianity and both were incidental to other political interests. It's kind of like when Europeans took over the western hemisphere...in the name of their God by the way, complete with cadres of priests and missionaries. So why would you think that Islam is any different in terms of it's abuses, than Christianity is so easily abused?
As for the many surahs that discourage and even prohibit friendships with Christians, Jews and so forth, are you trying to tell me that YOU and most Christians are any different? Surely you jest.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-04-24 09:03
this just adds to the fact that the military has been on a mission to Christianize the troops; there is no sense of separation of church and state in their minds....
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-04-24 09:43
Islam, in the Koran, respects Jesus and Mary as Prophets, and Christians and Jews as people "of the Book" who believe in One God. But history shows countless wars. Islam in Spain was educated; the Spanish Christians in 1492 were brutal. Islam in Sicily starved Christians; married Christian women to Moslem men; later, Sicily overthrew them.. Educated Christian Cappadocia, became Turkey, with massacres of Christians, forced to live in caves. In Jerusalem, Bishop Sophronius called for peace and welcomed Moslems, and created a city of truce until the European Crusaders came and mostly ruined it. The worst case: the city of Venice is adorned with the riches and relics of Constantinople. . Christians are now being forced out of the Middle East; this is a fact: Bethlehem was Christian in 1900, today it is all Muslim. Theology may be reduced in Islam, but the "Christian" "fundamentalist s" do not believe in the Holy Eucharist either; they attack literal Scripture, and other Christians.
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-04-24 09:51
The whole argument misses the point: why is the Pentagon having a day of prayer anyway?
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-04-24 17:26
The Pentagon doesnt have a prayer.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-04-24 09:54
Mr. Graham needs to remember that HITLER
was a Christian and it was the Christians that murdered a million Muslims in Bosnia.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-04-24 10:44
I am a Canadian Christian, and I DON'T think Islam is an evil religion, nor do most of my American brothers and sisters in Christ. Most people are most familiar with Christianity as vague memories of childhood observances, or from bizarre TV televangelists and newsworthy far-right fundamentalists . There are many Christians, Jews and Muslims in North America and elsewhere working for greater education, understanding, and co-operation between our faiths. After all, we all worship the same creator that Abraham did, and in our shared books I know as the "Old Testament" God loves justice and peace. Not all Christians are judgmental, and some atheists have their minds made up about me before I open my mouth.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-04-25 08:37
You might have a point there. But I like to believe that Christianity in Canada, or anywhere else in the world for that matter,is different than the one practiced in the US. I do not see anywhere else in the world where a institutionaliz ed state religion try so hard to inflame the world with hatred like they do in the US of A.

As an atheist, I believe in the human spirit and I judge individuals by their acts and not by their color of their skins or cultural beliefs. The sad part is, your Christian "God" is being taken as a tool for profit, wars and rumors of wars
 
 
-3 # Guest 2010-04-24 10:57
Henry H Jackson's comment speaks for me also. Don't need to say anything more.db
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-04-24 12:09
Those bloody terrorists are giving ISLAM a bad rep. So many US citizens know nothing of Islam except for the murderous ones. I heard a senior citizen on NPR this morning say she voted for Obama as a life-long democrat but the suggestion that he was a muslim worried her. Well he is not a muslim and were he a muslim it would not be a bad thing. It's a "one God" religion and an off shoot of Judaism as is Christianity. Most of our citizenry are pretty ignorant about religion including their own.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-04-24 12:25
The occasional (and relatively recent) denigration of Islam by evangelical preachers pales in comparison to their constant and vicious denigration of non-Abrahamic religions, not only in this country but in EVERY country where these missions are allowed to operate with impunity. Not only does this get NO attention in the US media, but these evangelical missions play victim and seek interference by the US State Department if any country or group tries to curb their incendiary tactics.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-04-25 05:34
Quoting Sukumar:
These evangelical missions play victim and seek interference by the US State Department if any country or group tries to curb their incendiary tactics.


As an atheist I find all religions professing to know more than I or others not of their faith to be harmful to society. The "missions" are selfish in the extreme in that they impose their beliefs in exchange for creating dependance on their generosity.

The cultural reaction when your beliefs are challenged by invaders is to export your beliefs in competition. I'm pretty sure this is not what the founders of these faiths intended but those who profit love their prophets!
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-04-24 12:26
"christians" take note that it is bigoted nutbars like Graham, Dobson, and Robertson that do more to destroy christianity than any outside force. Intelligent people have to wonder what sort of a God needs help from these crazies? Agnosticism not Atheism will win out.
 
 
-6 # Guest 2010-04-24 15:00
What David didn't say, was whether any Muslims had accepted invitations to speak at the National Day of Prayer, whether they agreed with standard Islamic dogma that infidels are to be slaughtered if they refuse to accept Islam, and whether America is the Great Satan or not. Then there is the question of whether they have publicly stated their views if they dissent from his dogma. There are many, of course, who do not accept the dichotomy of good and evil and shrink from identifying anything as evil, but I think Mr. Graham was very correct in identifying the dogma as evil, while stating his love for the people. I feel the same way and I agree with Sarah Palin that it was shabby to disinvite such a fine man for the sake of political correctness. Question for Mr. Corn: do you consider an school of thought evil if it teaches that you should be killed for not agreeing with it?
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-04-24 17:12
"...standard dogma that infidels are to be slaughtered if they refuse to accept Islam, and whether America is the Great Satan or not."

You should be embarrassed by your own ignorance. I can quote the Bible AND the Koran to justify any position one wants but doing this would be stretching way too thinly for scholars of either. Get "Islam For Dummies" at your local bookstore and a copy of the Koran so you validate what is written in "Islam For Dummies" and you will discover a very difference face to Islam.

As for America being the Great Satan, in light of our illegal occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, the 1.5 million dead there, our poisoning of so much of their land with depleted uranium with a half life of 3.5 billion years, the already exploding incidence of horrid birth defects and our deliberate destruction of the first powerful democracy in Iraq resulting in the Shah of Iran...I defy you to tell me that calling the US the Great Satan is unreasonable.
 
 
-4 # Guest 2010-04-25 08:09
Daniel, do tell us the basis for your assertion that the occupation of Afghanistan is "illegal."

This should be a howler to read.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-04-25 13:24
Wes, have you ever thought of being de-programmed?

Or perhaps you, like most right wing conservatives Christian hypocrites, are too far gone for any type of treatment.

The fact, the US became the evil empire during eight years of the GW Bush Administration. A bloody stain on a country which claims to be "Christian."
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-25 14:27
Quoting Nils H Wessell:
Daniel, do tell us the basis for your assertion that the occupation of Afghanistan is "illegal."

This should be a howler to read.


Gee, I'd love to oblige you Nils! Tell ya' what...YOU tell me how our occupation of Afghanistan is legal first and then I'll give you something to howl about...after I stifle my laughter!
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-05-16 09:05
It looks to me as if you haven't bothered to read "Son of Hammas" yet. Perhaps you are not interested in seriously considering any opinion but your own?
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-04-24 17:40
"standard islamic dogma" that infidels are to be slaughtered?? Look under your hat and see if your brain is missing. Muslims arent even saying anything to bashers like you maligning them. Look in the Index of the Quran for a chapter entitled "The Unbelievers" if you want to know. It says, "say to the unbeliever, you have your religion and i have mine." A muslim man can marry a christian or jewish woman, is he going to slaughter her after the ceremony? The text you are talking about are end of world scenario, armageddon. All jews and other evil will be slaughtered except the 144,000 jews who will turn and believe in him. Killing someone is second greatest sin in Islam. We cant even cut down a tree.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-25 11:43
009.023
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-04-25 14:32
Good grief Nils...what the heck is your point. I could quote the Bible, if I even cared to bother, which I don't, for every single line in your quotation. What do you see in those words that stand out as somehow unique of all religious faiths of this world? I don't see anything particularly remarkable at all.
What koolaide are you drinking?
 
 
-3 # Guest 2010-04-25 17:23
I like raspberry.

Why don't you quote the Biblical passages to us that DO require faithful Christians to reject fathers, brothers, and friends who are not themselves Christian.

I stand ready to be educated.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-04-25 20:21
Quoting Nils H Wessell:

Why don't you quote the Biblical passages to us that DO require faithful Christians to reject fathers, brothers, and friends who are not themselves Christian.

I stand ready to be educated.


Well Nils...you still haven't shown the relevence of your quotes. Why don't YOU tell ME what difference it makes. Oh, and while we're at it, your quotes did NOT make any mention of rejecting fathers, brothers and friends...it directs rejecting fathers, brothers and friends THAT ARE NOT also believers. I have heard this message in my Christian church from childhood Sunday School to this very day in church. And I don't take that seriously either even though I am a Christian. Your point being?
Oh please do educate me. Show me how the devout fundamentalist Christian doesn't condemn to hell their fellow Christians who aren't in lock step with them.
Bet ya' can't! And this is different from Islamic fundamentalists how? Do tell.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-25 21:07
Considering that Christ actually said that people should abandon their families to follow him is just about the same as the passages you quoted.
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-04-28 16:12
"just about the same"

"echoes almost exactly?"

NOT!
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-04-25 08:23
The hypocrite deserved more than that. He deserves to be struck by lighting.

Christianity in the US has become pure evil.

It was on a Sunday morning, back in the early 1940's, while attending church services with my parents in a little dusty New Mexico town, a visiting Mexican priest told us in no uncertain terms that "there was a special place reserved in Hell for hypocrites." Even at that early innocent age, I understood what that meant.

Now in my old age, I am a confirmed Atheist and free of the hypocrisy that is the Christian faith. It is individuals like Pat Robberson and Franklin Graham who convinced to become an Atheist.
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-04-25 17:54
Kuran's fourth surah (Women) 004.034

SHAKIR: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

I can't believe Franklin Graham might find anything to be critical about in this passage! Can you?
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-04-25 20:26
Once again Nils, your irrelevence abounds. Just think, in the Old Testament a child leaving the sheep pen gate open could be put to death. Adultresses in the Old and New Testament were subject to being stoned to death, but men were not subject to such punishment. Men married their brothers widows and practiced polygamy, could impregnate their slaves if they wished, etc. etc. etc.

I suppose Franklin Graham might find nothing about this to be critical about. Can you Nils?
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-26 05:40
Yes, I can, Daniel. But when you read the Bible you are reading stories told by this or that person, maybe an apostle. There is lots of historical commentary and occasionally God Himself speaks in quote marks. Contrast this with the Koran, every word of which from beginning to end is nothing but the words of God spoken through the passive lips of the Prophet. There is not the same wiggle room in the Koran as in the Bible for modernized interpretation of ancient scripture. If Ezekial beats, I don't know, Zebediah in the Bible, it is not God saying. "Beat a disobedient wife."
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-04-26 08:48
I will concede a nice try Nils, but how many Christians do you know that take the Bible as the very literary words of God himself spoken through his servant vessels, the prophets among others? Biblical literacy is widely espoused among Christians. "God spoken through the passive lips of the Prophet(s)" is how most Christians revere the Bible.
No wiggle room? We could be talking about Christian fundamentalists as well as Muslims.
As for beating a disobedient wife, the Koran differs from the Bible but this odious practice is, tragically, all too universal.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-26 05:45
Your Old Testament story, Daniel, that's just the point. It is a story. No Christians put children to death TODAY because God did not say, "Put all children leaving the sheep pen gate open. And the last time Christians engaged in religious wars was 400 years ago. That's just my point: the predominantly Arab definition of what constitutes good Muslims is about 400 years behind Western standards.
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-04-26 08:59
Another nice try Nils, but the fact that the standard of living in the middle east for a majority of the people is about 400 years behind ours might explain quite alot don't you think? As for Christians engaging in religious wars ending 400 years ago, that is a matter of interpretation. Informally, you'd better believe that Christians have a far easier time waring against non-Christians precisely because the enemy is not Christian. Don't pretend that the religious right and Bush himself didn't use their Christian beliefs (so called) to justify attacking Islamic people.
As for your mention of a predominantly Arab definition of what constitutes good Muslims, you are overlooking that among Muslims world wide, plenty are non-Arab which bares some influence, and are overlooking that within the Arab community, there is great divergence. The Wahabi Muslims diverge greatly from other sects of Arab Muslims, even in Arabia.
Again, nice try but much oversimplificat ion.
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-04-27 10:59
Daniel, that is exactly my point. The Wahabbis finance and control 90% of the mosques in the US, and because Mecca and Medina are in Saudi Arabia, the Wahabbis get to define Muslim Orthodoxy. Then their adherents beat up on more liberal Muslims in places like Indonesia where Wahabbis once never had a presence.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-27 17:41
Quoting Nils H Wessell:
Daniel, that is exactly my point. The Wahabbis finance and control 90% of the mosques in the US, and because Mecca and Medina are in Saudi Arabia, the Wahabbis get to define Muslim Orthodoxy. Then their adherents beat up on more liberal Muslims in places like Indonesia where Wahabbis once never had a presence.


Oh come off it Nils! The Wahabbis send funds all over the Muslim world. They "control" 90% of the mosques in the US? You know better than that. Muslims with money, and plenty outside of the Wahabbis, send money. And what Christian denomination doesn't send money to various Christian missions and organizations? The Wahabbis don't control the Muslim world any more than the Baptists control the Christian world. Yes, the Arabian Wahabbis get to define Muslim Orthodoxy but in a manner like the Catholic Church getting to define Christian Orthodoxy. Hmmm...and both have similar historical behaviors. I wondery why?! And both are so political as well!
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-05-22 22:37
I actually think you are right about part of this, Danny . . . the only place where Muslims have a decent standard of living in the middle east is in Israel. Hmmmmm . . . I wonder what we can learn from this . . . are you willing?
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-26 09:03
So why is the USA (a "Christian" nation) the only one of the two nations in the world that can execute their children for crimes committed. Or didn't you know that?

That other is your ignorance saying "the last time Christians engaged in religious wars was 400 years ago."

Just what was the Iraqi war about and why the the US government under Cheney/GW Bush profiled and arrested everyone that looked like an Arab?

The war in Iraq was religious in addition to greed, murder, and theft.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-27 10:56
God (if I may say so), you can't remember every last time Bush opened his mouth on the subject of Islam out came a lot of drivel about how great and peaceful a religion Islam is? He HAD to say that EVERY TIME because we need Muslim allies. I can understand that. It's called realpolitik. But how can you ignore his repeated expressions of this baloney? The USG "arrested everyone that looked like an Arab,?" Now we enter the realm of The Big Lie. About two people got arrested wrongly (and only briefly) or had painted smeared on their lawns. Big Deal. Take a walk in any American city from Queens, NY to St. THomas, USVI and tell me that anyone who looked Arab got arrested. Holy Cow (sorry, Hindus)!
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-04-27 17:49
What ever Nils. The Muslim grocer down the street who was murdered, and it was politically motivated because a hate group took credit for it, informed me that Muslims in America, like others, have reason to worry.
As for Bush's realpolitik, his willingness to BS in order to groom allies that in other circumstances he would gladly betray...is a defense of what exactly? Lying? Bush/realpoliti k/The Big Lie(s)...that about sums up what makes Joseph Goebels and George Bush so utterly contemptible.
Your point?
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-25 21:03
I doubt very much that Mr. Graham sees anything at all wrong with that passage other than it was written by a Moslem. It echoes almost exactly the Southern Baptist admonition for women to be subservient to their husbands.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-28 14:19
Texas Aggie, we have a communications problem here. "echoes almost exactly?"

Oh? "You may beat your wife" echoes almost exactly "be subservient to your husbands?"

Where do you think the practice of stoning fornicators comes from? Would you call stoning a violation of universal human rights or just an exact echo of "condemning?"
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-28 18:13
Quoting Nils H Wessell:
"echoes almost exactly?"
DF: Now be nice Nils.
"Oh? "You may beat your wife" echoes almost exactly "be subservient to your husbands?"
DF: Non-subserviant wives have a grave tendency of being beaten and it happens here too. It's not just a third world or Muslim phenomena in any way.
"Where do you think the practice of stoning fornicators comes from?"
DF: Isn't this Old Testament? And of course God torched Gamorah for all kinds of reasons, eh?
"Would you call stoning a violation of universal human rights or just an exact echo of "condemning?"

DF: Condemning precedes stoning, where stoning occurs so yes, these are fairly synonymous depending on context. And of course stoning is a violation of universal human rights.
So lets replace "echo" with "bares similarity sufficient that the outcome can be severe violence." Or don't you think there are Baptist wife beaters or murderers?
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-05-16 09:10
Of course there are Dan, but for every Baptist wife beater or murderer, there are probably 1000 Muslims who similarly abuse their wives. And why don't we talk about daughters while we are at it? Your moral equivalence is so twisted!
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-04-25 21:00
Two things struck be about this piece. One was " I don't need an education from Islam. " The man flat out admits that he doesn't know what he's talking about, which was obvious, but I wouldn't expect him to not only admit it, but then to say he doesn't care about learning is even more flabbergasting.

The other was Sarah's comment, "who are so radical that they would kill innocent people and subjugate women in the name of religion." I thought we were talking about Islam, not American fundamentalists here?
 

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