Leslie Bennetts writes: "As Democratic disgust with Obama's debt fumbling spreads, Clinton supporters recall her '3 a.m. phone call' warnings - and angry, frustrated liberals are muttering that she should mount a 2012 challenge."
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. (photo: AP)
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I stand behind what I said. The effort to destroy the dollar and our country is winning. Hillary wasn't going to stop it, and still isn't. That she could be elected doesn't mean we should.
Hillary Clinton doesn't have a populist bone in her Family membership body. The Family is a slightly right-wingy religious group, that actually just worships power, of which she is a member.
Summers, Daley, Emanuel, Geithner she'd have the same people around her and she'd be acting more forcefully than Obama... in that she'd be telling us to grow up and quit crying about the austerity she'd be hammering us with. She'd be more forthright about kicking in the faces of the poor and middle class than Obama,
Obama is actually getting exactly what New Democrats, DLC Democrats and Wall Street Democrats want... a Simpson-Bowles Commission style austerity, which is what he promised he'd do at the G-20 meeting. READ the damn statement the G-20 put out... it will give you nightmares.
Hillary as a candidate for the people? Really? Jesus, lady either start paying attention to who she is or STOP trying to fool the rest of us into believing a badly spun piece of spin.
Leslie, don't be a hack.
America will come out of this; Just as Russia has. But it will be after the monetary system "resets" and massive wealth shifts to the already wealthy among us. It will be decades before the next generation ever enjoys the opportunities we had in our lives. "We" being my parents and my generation; People in their 50's and up.
Nobody in Washington has a care in the world; Unless, of course, the "rabble" get a little TOO crazy and start shooting politicians like the few right wingers have done already. Their fear of life may just take a toll on their enjoyment of their wealth.
I think there's a movie in this story.
Why? Because she wouldn't have made it to Final Jeopardy, nor would Obama or McCain, were they not fully vetted and selected by the corporations (who are people just like you and me, right?). The entire system is corrupt.
Our democracy has been bought out from under us by the rich and powerful. Mussolini would be proud.
Things would have been very different with Hillary as President. She knew the depths to which the right would sink from personal experience. She would never have tolerated the outright lies and abuse the right consistently use as weapons. She would have called them out, named what they were up to and stood up to them.
We would not be dealing with Obama's inept failure to lead, if the media, the DNC and misogynists had not destroyed Hillary's candidacy.
There are many in our country who would rather see a male as President--even if he is failing--than risk a successful female President
Sorry that's the case, but so it is. Recall Hillary's pro war in Iraq stance, and today, her bowing to zionist Israel.
Real CHANGE calls for real not just a fightin' spirit - not fight for might - but rather fight for no more war, torture, overpowering greed, etc.
The real question: Whomever the Dem. candidate is, can we get avoid another stolen election via mass election fraud, disenfranchisem ent, Supremes who are political Kochsuckers (recall 2000 - the non-election of 'W').
Should OhBombAh be the Dem. nominee, in my opinion it's a sure thing that we'll end up with another puppet whore for the villainaire rulers, this time wearing a Tea Party logo.
I truly believe the only hope for real CHANGE we have is to get a real McCoy, fightin' progressive (not Hillary) nominated on the Dem. ticket, with a promise made by that candidate, when elected, to appoint Sen. Sanders to a high level position. Then keep that pres. from being martyred, like JFK, RFK, MLK.
Time to get rid of noballs OhBombAh, and all the leftover Bushwhackers that OhBombAh has kept hanging around.
American royalty is alive and well, collecting a few new members along the way. U.S. citizens have been fooled into thinking they play a part in that royal crowning process.
She would have kept the same advisors, made the same mistakes, and listened to her Wall Street donors.
She has the power to stop the Keystone Pipeline, but I don't see her stepping up to the plate. She is NOT environmentally sound!
no... Hillary is not the answer. A person who really believes in democratic ideals and cares for the least among us is who we need now. I'm voting for Alan Grayson... he has guts and is NOT afraid of Wall Street, AIPAC or the military industrial complex.
I do respect Hillary for the role she has played over the years, but this is not her time, and I don't think it ever will be. I may have "buyer's remorse" with Obama, but Hillary will be more of the same...
I think we can do a little better than the compromiser and chief versus corporate shillary.
Hillary ain't no Annie Oakley... Elizabeth Warren has that role. We'd have a better shot with Harrison Ford and Bernie Sanders.
It is the Democrats who are responsible for this mess. They couldn't put together a plan in the first 2 yrs and defend their record instead they ran away & hid in the corner while the teabaggers took pot shots at their President. Where was the support.
Obama didn't lose the midterms the Dems did for being spineless cowards afraid of loud mouth right winger spewing lies.
Now after the Congress has spent over $2 trillion in bail outs & over $2 trillion in Iraq & Afghanistan accounting for almost the entire debt without increasing revenues the debt becomes unpayable unless Congress sells tall public lands, property & resources to the privileged making the people serf sold with the land enslaved forever.
There is another way to increase government revenue. it is for the President to forgive the mortgage & credit card debt of all people with an income less than $250000 that was accrued before 15April 2011 while continuing Social Security, pensions & unemployment payment,With the swipe of a pen sign an executive order giving 80% of the population economic freedom, a 2nd chance while helping the nations economic recovery by reeing consumer income from debt service to spending & savings increasing tax revenue.
That some are blaming President Obama for the contrariness of the GOP is ludicrous. What they've unleashed on Pres. Obama was set for any Democratic president that had won. The furious effort made by the GOP to make it hard for him is legendary. Rugh Limbaugh, their boss said, "I don't want Obama to succeed." Was that sentiment expressed because he was a Democrat or was there the additional factor of his color? The latter makes me even more determined to support him, as I think we should be well past that. He is smarter and better than many previous presidents, especially the one before him.
Take a look at what he was doing the weeks surrounding the debt ceiling debate. He gave A LOT of speeches, held press conferences, called Congressional leaders to the White House and held hours of negotiations to try to break through the intransigence of an opposition which had openly stated its intention to let this country's economy go down in flames if that's what it took to get what they wanted. They BRAGGED about their hostage taking strategy. WHAT could Obama say that would have circumvented THAT? What would Hillary have said which would have made it any different?
Once again Dems and progressives are organizing the circular firing squad, eating their young, and shooting themselves in the foot and doing every other self-destructive thing one can think of.
Social Security, Medicare(for ALL finally - we hoped), publicly financed elections, concern about environmental rape being perpetrated by 'profit' that dumps costs into the public's tax bin, civil and consumer 'rights' ... and so many other issues would finally be aggressively pursued rather than wimpishly defended against Nixonian, Reaganistic, Rovarian misrepresentati on and division.
We heard with our hearts rather than our ears. We did not listen to the intellectual student of Constitutional law and history. We interpolated the image of the audacity of Julian Bond and Malcolm X with the theology of Ghandi and MLK, Jr in expectation of being carried to the mountaintop of enlightenment.
The difficulty we now face is our disappointment at realizing that President Obama truly believes that he serves the ENTIRE nation best by reaching progress via honorable compromises of reasonable elected representatives who care about the American experiment as he does.
But really, ... Hillary. Is this as far as Democrats imagination goes? Is this the unofficial Hillary 2012 political arm, or is that it?
I mean, I'll do it, ... then vote Republican in the General Election.
I couldn't vote for her last time, and will not this time -- but if it will unseat Obama, whom I did not vote for last time either, ... I'll do it.
I've never voted Republican, ... ever, never wanted to, ... still don't ... and don't have to, ... But to help Obama lose, definitely.
There is nothing left to say, ... anyone but Obama, ...
As a lesson to Democratic hopefuls.
I am hoping for Wes Clark, ... anyone new, or definitely bold, and intelligent ... preferably with executive experience, doesn't mince words, didn't have to explain. to the last detail, needing polls and letters written to do the right thing: To make great appointments, not engaging in phony bi-partisanship, no corporate, no DLC, no Blue Dogs, No Lieberman, or any non-refuting-Liebermans,
Recognizing that through Republican politicians, corporate and industrialist oligarchs are forging an onslaught -- to their own greedy ends -- which includes domination of most media organizations, framing the argument and shaping debate, fighting everything to the bitter end.
To a possible point, regarding strategy, "teaching Democrats... how to lose the White House," I agree that it is not necessary to publicly single out Lieberman and refuting him. That part is more or less where I'd like to draw the line, between someone who stands for progressive principles and how far it is necessary -- for a true progressive politician to acutely distance themselves from Charletans.
You've no idea, but you have some vague sense of which devil is better, and therefore, all your instincts right and all mine lack intelligence.
I want a progressive leader. One who has his/her own ideas on what has to be done, and doesn't need me to further write letters before he/she has the political courage to lead, ... to push, ... ... ... before all that is being pushed are the scraps and the shame ... all through comparisons, and excuses... the hollow rhetoric and insistence that all that could be done was done.
When it was not.
It is not "political reality," except for the fact that, they create the reality.
And then trot out the "speech" and move on.
I want a true progressive 2012 Democratic Primary challenger to Obama.
I also want a complete turn-around in Congress ... out with incumbents, almost all... and don't vote Republican.
Not ruin.
You certainly have nerve.
It seems that nothing I say is what I say.
Given the specifics, within my loose thoughts,
still, it's no surprise that you should know what I want.
What is curious is how, what I want, is different that what I've written.
The problem is that I keep getting what you want.
And what about Wes Clark, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, ... you know, ... the ones who have been right, ... about war and the economy, ... yes the ones who were right.
Is that too much to ask?
Obama/ Geithner and Summers
Obama/Hillary Clinton
Obama/ Rham Emanuel
Obama/ Robert Gibbs
Obama/ Goldman Sacs
Obama / GE
Obama/ BP, Oil
Obama/ Xe Services
Obama/ Petraeus
Obama/ vs. Bradley Manning
Obama/ vs. Tim DeChristopher
Obama/ vs. Whistleblowers
Obama/ vs. Global Warming
Obama/ vs. the Environment
Obama/ vs. Elizabeth Warren
Obama/ vs. Joseph Stiglitz
Obama/ vs. Liberals
Obama/ vs. Progressives
Obama/ vs. Change You Can Believe In
And what about Wes Clark, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, ... you know, ... the ones who have been right, ... about war and the economy, ... yes the ones who were right.
Is that too much to ask?
Obama/ Geithner and Summers
Obama/ Hillary Clinton
Obama/ Rham Emanuel
Obama/ Robert Gibbs
Obama/ Goldman Sacs
Obama / GE
Obama/ BP, Oil
Obama/ Xe Services
Obama/ Petraeus
Obama/ vs. Bradley Manning
Obama/ vs. Tim DeChristopher
Obama/ vs. Whistleblowers
Obama/ vs. Global Warming
Obama/ vs. the Environment
Obama/ vs. Elizabeth Warren
Obama/ vs. Joseph Stiglitz
Obama/ vs. Liberals
Obama/ vs. Progressives
Obama/ vs. Change You Can Believe In.
Hillary should run for president.....PLEASE!!!! The Clintons were bought and paid for long ago. Leslie, you need to go to bed. As my 80 year old mother would say, “They got the top back” for all to see. Problem is even with the top back the American people still can’t see them coming. It matters not; the truth to all this madness will soon be exposed.
Truth is, since JFK was assasinated for not following orders in 1963, being a President of the people, independent of our Corporate Overlords is a suicide mission. Why do you think that all presidents end up giving in to the corporations?
Anyone who runs for President should be single and willing to risk his life for his principles and he should tell the people if he is threatened, and name names.
I agree with so many of you--Wall Street owns all these people. And likely refers to them as The Obedient.
strong. We can find a way out but it must begin with us.
You might try to distinguish between appeasment and intelligent compromise.
Obamas performance did not surprise me at all. Hope has always been a concept used as manipulation. He was always a baby of the corprations and the Trilateral Commission. Just look at his advisors and who he running the show. I am just surprised that y'all are so surprised.
No, Hilary would have used her abilities to make things even worse for the average American than they are now. She was part of C St., remember?
Then I would like to know how the religious right carries such a clout when there's only 10% of them in the American population? The answer is that they do come out and vote as a solid block in an election where 30% at best of the entire registered votor status of the American population. And then how were the Teabaggers able to make such proposterous demamds without criticism from the Press? Answer? The news media is owned by General Bull Moose and his billionaire cohorts.
Money is running the show. Why don't we just elect money and get it over with.
We can then just concentrate on sports events instead of having that valuable time being shared with election stuff.
No mus no fuss.
It is easier to be told what to do than to to rule ourselves. Democracy is such work.
Here we are, looking for mythic leadership when in places where we can see at least something happening, Tunisia, Egypt, Greece, Spain, etc.. the point has been to NOT have leaders, to do the job yourself.
If we had the collective intelligence of the Egyptians, we would understand that it's a systemic problem, not a personnel problem. Put Hillary in the White House. You'll find you've replaced one member of the regime for another member of the regime. It's just that she'll be YOUR member of the regime.
There is a saying that no matter how much more educated a black is in America, or how popular he is or how much faith and confidence the American people in craving justice, fairness, democratic principles, he still has the tiny ingrediant in him that says whites are superior to blacks!
President Obama could have been the greatest president in US history. He certainly had the majority of American people supporting him, but he surrounded himself with advisors who were "friends" and acquaitances but not qualified, and he became obsessed with partisan support which even my l0 year grandson could have told him that republicans was the party of NO and the last thing they would do is to "partisan" with him.
As far as I'm concern, Obama forfeited his place of honor in politics when he embraced to side with Republicans. Didn't he have enough trouble with the blue dogs in the Democratic Party to being with?
I can assure you that each and every black or Hispanics is aware of the institutionaliz ed racism in the United States and much more so with the TEA Party and the Republican Party in particular.
And I can also assure you that even when most blacks and Hispanics feel whites are not superior, but they will still remain silent from speaking out at the racism that comes to identify the Republican party now. The GOP racism and bigotry toward our first black president warrants some kind of explanation as to why most blacks and Hispanics remain silent. I feel President Obama is such a person.
The ironic point of all this, is he is the one who is superior in knowledge, know how, and accomplishments than all those republicans in the House and Senate put together. The question why does he feel intimidated?
That's is the whole issue here!
Obama's silence on the matter is a political calculation because he's smart enough to know that any accusations of racism coming from him will be used effectively by the opposition to campaign against him. The media addresses the racism in the Tea Party, not as much as they should but it's out there, he's well aware of this fact.
It doesn't matter which Democrat holds the White House, Republican obstruction supported by the ignorant masses would remain the same. It's impossible to know if a government shut down would have played as well for Obama as it did for Bill Clinton in the 1990s. The Tea Party would have embraced it and that would have been the only choice if Obama was as tough as people think Hillary would be.
As for Hillary "I count President Mubarak as a personal family friend" Clinton - she has made serious mistakes herself. I find her speeches torturous and deceptive, and even though I would like to see a woman in the White House, I do not want it to be Ms. Clinton!
Bob Burgess
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Hillary's supporters are being just as obnoxious now as they were back in 2008. On top of all the nasty name calling and in the end bad sportsmanship they're doing the 'I told you so!'???!!
I'm not going to deny that perhaps Hillary would have been tougher with the GOP in the recent negotiations. I'm pretty certain Medicare and Social Security wouldn't have wound up on the table at all. Of that I'm pretty certain. But, she IS beholding to the policies of AIPAC and her administration would've been less confrontational with Israel's ruling Likud Party and their more extremist policies. And, I truly believe she would have been no less militaristic, this war would not be winding down any sooner were she president. Their styles would be different, but she's just centrist in a number of ways as Obama is.
But hell, if they want to run her for 2012... be my guest. Obama won't be getting my support leastways
There are real progressives left in the democrats and one of them needs the support of the people to run as a progressive and live up to real progressive standards like ending the wars of agression, pushing for real health care reform (single payer), ending government interference with the labor movement (Taft-Hartley, Right to Work laws), pushing for real immigration reform, replacing free trade agreements with fair trade, rebuilding our industrial base, putting Americans to work updating and repairing our infrastructure.
Neither Obama nor Clinton are pushing for a progressive agenda.
When OB got the nom., instead of Hillary, I went out to my car and scraped off the Hillary bumper sticker. I'm ready to buy a new one and put it back on now. Enough with the dilitantism. Hillary will make a great President.
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