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Rich writes: "There's a case to be made that a tea-party-infused GOP will have a serious shot at winning future national elections."

President Barack Obama and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney. (photo: AP)
President Barack Obama and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney. (photo: AP)

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+45 # fredboy 2012-10-17 13:58
Yes, hatred goes a long way. And it, and it's nasty pal Fear, form the new backbone of the nation.
 
 
+66 # LeeBlack 2012-10-17 14:33
The problem with Liberals/Progre ssives is that they seem to think that common sense, knowledge of issues and responsible citizenship will lead to an enlightenment.
 
 
+43 # Texas Aggie 2012-10-17 15:54
Ain't it the truth. There are lots of PhD's in psychology being written right now studying why people ignore facts and prefer fiction.
 
 
+15 # RLF 2012-10-18 05:12
Same reason the like religion.
 
 
+15 # bmiluski 2012-10-18 09:19
It is so much easier being a republican/reli gious. Because then you don't have to accept responsibility for anything. Nothing is your fault so you have done no wrong.
 
 
+18 # Granny Weatherwax 2012-10-17 16:12
They would, the problem is to impart common sense, knowledge of issues and responsible citizenship to people who don't want to be enlightened.

To them ignorance is bliss for why would they want to be enlightened since they already understood it better than these pesky intellectuals?
 
 
+6 # dovelane1 2012-10-18 13:16
The real quote is "IF ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise."

My guess is that the problem is that people's self-images are weak to the point where that can't admit even to the possibility that they might be wrong. In order to change one's mind about anything, one has to first admit to the possibility they might be wrong.

Most religions believe their belief system is perfect. If one believes they have a perfect belief system, they can also believe they never have to change anything about themselves or their belief system.

People who think like this almost alwyas find other people who think the same way, and they all agree to stop thinking about other possibilities at the same place. Nothing has to change then. They only run into problems when someone in their circle is confronted with new info they can't ignore or deny, and change becomes imperative. These people are then generally ostracized. Pastors who have lost their faith are a good example.

I think the bottom line is the fear of change keeps these people from looking at anything outside of what they've learned to believe is true. Fear keeps them in denial, and it keeps them blaming others for how they feel. As long as one thinks their belief system is perfect, they can blame others, and they don't have to change.
 
 
+33 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-10-17 16:14
We could try Conservative(is m.) The Republican Party has embraced one very powerful illusion for hundreds of years and it works-with the low information voter. "Keep 'm poor and stupid and we'll (the corporations)ke ep all the money." Those who are responsible for the destruction of the planet know they are responsible, fully understand what they are doing. There is a principle that has been scientifically tested. That light travels through space at a certain frequency, that our atmosphere passes this light frequency. Yet, when light as well as lower frequency heat energy is reflected back into outerspace, carbon dioxide prevents adequate passage of energy back through this atmosphere resulting in global warming. Intelligent people understand this principle. Since those who are responsible for generating excessive carbon dioxide make a living doing so, they do not want to "lose their stake," adjust their attitudes to be in harmony with physics, chemistry, nature's laws. They teach the low information voter illusions. Until Americans are fully prepared with adequate education, science and math, the corporations will continue to destroy the planet-by teaching ignorance. How do the United States students rank in math and science as regards the rest of the world? You have a computer. You can type this question into your computer address bar. You might feel some humility?
 
 
+5 # maddave 2012-10-18 01:05
You're presuming too much, LeeBlack! Whether MENSA or DENSA, in American poliotics, those candidates who get the most votes are seen as enlightened.

Both D's & R's are committed to maintaining the two-party system, because a 50-50 chance of being elected is "as good as it gets" for most politicians. They'll dight a 3rd party ro the death!

Based upon shifting conditions in immigration, ethnicity, the economic, social evolution, etc, party demographics change and w/each change triggers other changes. The most prominent example was the 1980 trek of the "Solid South" from the Democratic party to the GOP. The white, anti-labor-unio n Jm Crow Dixiecrats quickly co-opted their new party. As a result of this race-related shift, liberal-republi cans had to choose between extinction and the Democratic Party. In fact, ion 1981-8, the two parties actually swapped political philosophies and perspectives on all major social, racial, economic and political issues.

Subsequently, when the teabaggers' arrived on scene, the upstarts had to join one party or the other or become irrelevant. They joined the GOP, and now, based upon relative strengths and finances, it remains uncertain whether the new faction will lead or follow. In either case, w/Citizens United considered, our political system is NOT what our Founders envisioned.
 
 
+5 # bmiluski 2012-10-18 09:54
They didn't join anything. They were created by the likes of Rove, Koch Bros., etc.
 
 
+2 # AMLLLLL 2012-10-18 11:00
exactly, bmiluski. We need campaign finance reform to get money out of our elections. Obama really did screw the pooch when he passed up public financing in '08. We need to make this a priority or kiss elections goodbye.
 
 
+1 # CL38 2012-10-20 09:59
Common sense, knowledge and responsible citizenship used to lead to enlightenment. 40 years ago, the right organized to take over the country and Democrats watched it happen. Now it will be a long battle to reverse it, if we still have time.
 
 
+33 # Inspired Citizen 2012-10-17 15:00
One way to keep the far right at bay (they are reactionary, not conservative) is to keep tying them, day after day, in every possible moment to Glenn Beck, the strawman of the right.

To wit: Beck declared Paul Ryan to be something of a "soulmate" last year and in 2009, Romney introduced Glenn Beck as a "statesman." Glenn Beck, a statesman. That alone disqualifies Romney as an opportunist with horrible judgement. (You can Google this: Glenn Beck is statesman, Governor Romney. It's on video.)

Romney/Ryan/Beck: too extreme for most Americans now. Too extreme for most American always. Don't ever forget that as the reactionary right attempt to take this country over in the days and years to come.
 
 
+22 # natalierosen 2012-10-17 15:13
You know they are running this article again. I love Frank Rich do not get me wrong but when they first ran it I was not going to get myself upset and read it. It upsets me when progressive organizations try to scare the you know what out of us. They sensationalize EVERYTHING.

It is a HUGE threat to us as progressives to contemplate a country run but utter insipid science denying idiots. Truly it makes me either want to self-deport or worse end this misery I have experienced since the election of Richard Nixon on down to the loathsome Bush.

So again, I am going to be an ostrich and NOT read this probable downer. I am ALREADY wishing I could vote multiple times for the president.

To eschew a clearly better more humane and decent president for a near fascist ideologue who will say and be anything that is required to walk into the oval. I WILL NOT GIVE HIM THAT GLORY and I HOPE everyone on this blog thinks as I do. The ONLY thing we have is our vote USE it before it is indeed too late!
 
 
+21 # Peace Grandma 2012-10-17 15:40
Good and thoughtful article. But nothing here has convinced me to give up hope for Republican implosion.
 
 
+14 # sameasiteverwas 2012-10-17 15:46
Time for an Ecotopia solution. We take the northern states, including northern CA, and let them have the rest. Let them try their experiments amongst themselves, without dragging us down -- as it is, red states take more tax money than blue. Let them cannibalize themselves in peace. If they can threaten to secede to prove a point (i.e., Texas promoting such in the last election cycle), why can't we? Otherwise, I'm going to encourage my granddaughter to emigrate to Canada or Britain, where we have friends, before borders are closed to all of us millions who will become "political refugees," with our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor stripped from us in the new fascist, authoritarian regime.
 
 
+2 # bmiluski 2012-10-18 09:55
Then you would be a coward. I prefer to stay and FIGHT FOR MY COUNTRY.
 
 
+4 # X Dane 2012-10-18 13:25
sameasiteverwas.

WOOOOOOOOOOW...just a cotton picken moment.
Do not throw out Southern California.
We are many progressive people here.....And we want our FREEDOM from the right wing nutcases.
 
 
-1 # Carbonman1950 2012-10-18 22:27
Quoting X Dane:
sameasiteverwas.

WOOOOOOOOOOW...just a cotton picken moment.
Do not throw out Southern California.
We are many progressive people here.....And we want our FREEDOM from the right wing nutcases.


Given the region's decades long history of voting for reactionaries, I am have the impression that the percentage of "progressive people" in South California is very very small and shrinking.
 
 
0 # X Dane 2012-10-19 10:54
carbonman.

Orange county is VERY red, but it is not all of Southern California. There are many democrats here. And the president will certainly win BOTH northern and southern California. BOTH our senators are smart democratic women and senator Boxer is a very hard working environmentalist.

I sure hope the senate stays democratic, for if the republicans take over, the worst idiot, evolution and climate change denier, will take the seat as head of the commission senator Boxer is head of. Senator Inhofe is so stupid, he simply does NOT belong in the senate.
 
 
+11 # cordleycoit 2012-10-17 15:49
Long and lugubrious. The Problem with the Tea Partrtyersa is not their political stance but the threat they are raising with armed reovolt.Whi and Black they are demainding that their minority stance is a majority and they have the guns to prove it. They have lost a sense of reality these aging warriors.Of course the aging mainstream Republicans are banking on threats to every part of the American Dream state offers. Romney wants to watch the old fall dead in the streets He also wants to watch the poor die while standing behind the police who will beat the poor to submission.Romn ey is after all a chicken hawk. The kind that would nuke Tehran in a second just to see the flash of light and later listen to the screams. Something that is only necessary if one is an Israeli bulldozer driver.
 
 
+3 # X Dane 2012-10-18 13:43
cordleycoit.
What baffles me is: LOOK AT THESE T BAGGERS, So many of them ARE either seniors, using walkers and wheel chairs
(paid for by medicare) ore they are CLOSE to retirement.

What will they do when Ryan cuts medicare and toss a couple of vouchers at them??? Then it sure will be TOO LATE. They will have opened Pandora's Box. And there is NO WAY to close it.

They will die for the lack of care, and they only have them selves to blame; but unfortunately a lot of innocent people will die too. AND their children and grandchildren will curse them for all the ills the Climate change is causing because it is getting worse all the time, and they are in TOTAL DENIAL.
 
 
+30 # angelfish 2012-10-17 15:50
James Lipton of The Actor's Studio, said something on The Chris Mathews Show tonight that struck me as TOTALLY ON the money! He said that election boils down to this main idea, "Do you want a President or, do you want a Boss?"! EXACTLY! President Obama IS the President, Mitt Romney is a Boss. Never, EVER vote ReTHUGlican!
 
 
+15 # dovelane1 2012-10-17 15:56
It's been written that to really deal with a problem, one has to get to the roots of the problem. Most of the time, it seems as if we are throwing money, time, and energy at the symptoms of the problem, and never getting to its roots.

I still maintain the problem is that our social norms are addictive in nature. The two basic properties of addictive behaviors are denial and blame.

In the book "When Society Becomes An Addict," Anne Wilson Schaef points out that all addictions are based on fear. All hatred is based on fear. All greed is based on fear. Every negative thing I can think of is based on fear.

We have learned to be so afraid of the things we fear that many, if not most of us, have a hard time even being curious about what we fear.

Marie Curie once wrote "There is nothing to fear, it just needs to be understood."

Denial and blame get us nowhere. It's also been written that life is 5% what we make it, and 95% how we've learned to take it.

As adults, being responsible for our emotional responses to events is the only way to begin to change. Being responsible keeps denial and blame from happening, and allows people to change.

Ironically, change is what most addicts fear most of all. Or so it seems to me at this point in time.
 
 
+2 # wrknight 2012-10-18 06:35
Very true, but the problem is how to detox the addicts.
 
 
0 # dovelane1 2012-10-18 22:09
It's hard to detox anyone in denial.

It is gratifying to be cured of an affliction, but it is terrifying to be divested of a crutch.

People learn to believe they need their crutches, and that becomes their relaity. The known hell is more prefarable to the possible unknown paradise. And when ones entire peer group is doing, thinking, and saying the same thing as one is also doing, the reinforcement is hard to ignore.

People want to stay in their comfort zones, and, given time, most comfort zones become ruts, then gorges, and people have not learned to see past their learned walls.
 
 
+22 # Art947 2012-10-17 15:58
I just wonder how this group of hypocrites can expect to fare when the people who they are vilifying become the majority of Americans? As Frank Rich indicates, the vast majority of these Teabaggers are white, males who have been feeding at the public trough but feel that no one else should be allowed in this position. It is clear that they are racists and misogynists. Perhaps that is why they have treated the President as rudely as they have treated him. Perhaps that is why they treat women as chattel to be controlled in mind and body. Perhaps that is why they feel no remorse when they lie, lie, lie. It appears that they will not be satisfied until they have destroyed the fiber of this nation and the ideals that made us great.
 
 
+22 # reiverpacific 2012-10-17 16:01
Another reason I'm keeping my Passport nice and handy and have never become a Citizen -apart from the non-medical system that the same mentality perpetrates.
I've always thought that this country was ripe for Fascism -which is what we're ultimately talking about here (and I don't chuck the expression around freely like some on RSN) but I'm speaking from the perspective of a European who has traveled Globally with an open eye and (I hope but should never presume) an open mind.
I know that many of the candidates for the highest post in this alleged "Land of the Free" could never be taken seriously and would be pushed to the looney fringe but here, you've already (s)elected some and others have run close.
The owner media Plutocrats are doing their job well in fragmenting the people and states against each other and the rest of the world.
 
 
+9 # dkonstruction 2012-10-18 07:25
Quoting reiverpacific:
Another reason I'm keeping my Passport nice and handy and have never become a Citizen -apart from the non-medical system that the same mentality perpetrates.
I've always thought that this country was ripe for Fascism -which is what we're ultimately talking about here (and I don't chuck the expression around freely like some on RSN) but I'm speaking from the perspective of a European who has traveled Globally with an open eye and (I hope but should never presume) an open mind.
I know that many of the candidates for the highest post in this alleged "Land of the Free" could never be taken seriously and would be pushed to the looney fringe but here, you've already (s)elected some and others have run close.
The owner media Plutocrats are doing their job well in fragmenting the people and states against each other and the rest of the world.


Right on reiver...it is an all to scary prospect and as Sinclair Lewis or Huey Long may have said: "when fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross."
 
 
+3 # wwway 2012-10-18 07:32
I know a few people with the means to live in Paris the rest of their lives. They decided after the 2010 election that Americans are basically fickle. Mostly ungrateful, selfish, and stupid. I know a few families who are making use of their dual citizenships but will cast their votes for Obama before they fly out. Americans like to talk freedom but they don't support freedom.
 
 
+1 # Carbonman1950 2012-10-18 22:44
IMO the reason they don't support freedom is that to be free is take both risk and responsibility. Their two most fearful adversaries.

Strangely and sadly it is the reactionaries, the people who constantly yell "freedom, liberty, freedom, liberty, freedom, liberty" who fear genuine freedom that only the right to choose your own path with the backing of your family, friends, society, and even nation.

Strangely and sadly it is the reactionaries, the people who constantly yell "freedom, liberty, freedom, liberty, freedom, liberty" who exhibit so pathological a refusal to be responsible that they relinquish their greatest freedom, the freedom to choose their own moral path, by delegating all their moral decisions to their religious and political "leaders" and then, with cult-like blindness, following and repeating what those "leaders" say.
 
 
-1 # X Dane 2012-10-18 13:51
reiverpacific.
That's too bad. I worry for the country too but I LOVE it and do what I can to help and the least I could do is become a citizen.
 
 
+3 # reiverpacific 2012-10-18 18:15
Quoting X Dane:
reiverpacific.
That's too bad. I worry for the country too but I LOVE it and do what I can to help and the least I could do is become a citizen.

I do what I can too, especially in an educational and cultural sense at a community level by being socio-political ly aware and nationally activist but don't get to vote. So I have to think ahead and don't like what I see, and have seen looming for a long a long time, which after all, is what this article is all about but most especially the entrenched attitude to health care, the elderly, the indigenous people and the disadvantaged. I'd have become a Citizen a long time ago but the US does not generally permit dual citizenship (the UK does) unless a dual-nationalit y couple children born here.
I love the PLANET of which this country is only a small part and I see the US -especially it's bloated Military- as the single most destructive forces which threatens the very continuation of the evolved existence of all species with which we live and which the indigenous peoples have long recognized as such.
So I am forced into a situation of choosing my fealty and prefer to stick to one which provides what I might need to sustain myself in my elder years.
What would you do?
 
 
+2 # X Dane 2012-10-18 20:42
reiverpacific.
I DO realize from reading your posts, that you do a lot to help. You may have noticed from my comments, that health care is VERY important to me. It is a disgrace that so many people are left out in the cold.

And like you I am also against this enormous military. because it is THERE, too many crazies want to use it, and of course that will only mean more death destruction and misery.
I apologize. I really did not want to offend you.
 
 
+6 # rblee 2012-10-17 16:10
The "intellectual" force of the Tea Party thinks that their namesake was about taxation. Of course, it was about representation- -not a blanket condemnation of taxes or government at all. With such intellectual acumen, how could the neo-TPers possibly fail?

I've usually enjoyed Rich's commentary, but I have a distinct feeling that he's closing in on membership in the 1%.
 
 
+6 # dick 2012-10-17 16:15
Paradoxically, at their core, the Right praises freedom & loves Authoritarianis m. Thus, they can absorb over 50% of women &
some "minorities." They'll need SOME small scapegoat. A declining empire is certainly vulnerable. But Frank is perhaps too grim. Europe, including Germany, seems far from fascist. We have no tradition of Omnipotent Leader & religion is fading.
 
 
+8 # MainStreetMentor 2012-10-17 16:19
The enabling device for the Repub-Tea-cans is the complacency of the middle class. The middle class will NOT act until they are negatively impacted by legislation detrimental to them personally. It's as if they have no foresight whatsoever. No "up roar", as an example, until AFTER the Patriot Act was passed - there were others as well.
 
 
0 # wwway 2012-10-18 07:25
America hasn't had it's French Revolution. Our founding fathers saw it brewing and feard it. Americans in power have always been motivated to prevent it here. Negatively impacted middle class will not be able to rise like the French because they've permitted too much deference toward their leaders and the plutocrats. We already know how uprisings are put down in other countries by governments taking kickbacks from EXXON and Monsanto.
 
 
0 # David Starr 2012-10-19 11:24
@wwway: You seem not to know specifics of the U.S. founders. Thomas Jefferson supported the French Revolution committedly, in "spirit," regardless of the outcome.
Thee have been "preventions" but not a cure as of yet. How about slavery in the early U.S.? How about gradual, genocidal campaigns against Native Americans through broken treaties and violence?
It didn't appear that there was prevention. Now, it may have gotten a little better, but those legacies still reverberate. Past and present are connected. But I don't expect you to know these things while you cling to a strictly B/W, antiquated-19th century vision, which is dying out. Take off the rose-colored glasses.

BTW: Some U.S. founders were fond of empire. The proof is in letters written by Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, etc.

Regarding Exxon and Monsanto, probably the most "kickbacks" have gone to the U.S. government, corporations, and visa versa. Money is rapidly exchanged between the two "parties" and the private corporate beaucracy in what amounts to buying elections; don't forget corporate lobbyists getting their "kickbacks."
Take a U.S. history 101 class where shades of gray are shown.
 
 
+21 # Vardoz 2012-10-17 16:25
This is a very serious election. They are waging war on us and we need to rise to the occasion! We all know who these people are and what they stand for so now is the time for us to step up to the plate and do whatever you can to try and beat this disasterous bunch. So do what you can because if you think it's bad now and Obama loses, things will take a nose dive for the 47%.
 
 
+5 # wrknight 2012-10-18 06:40
Correction: the 47% will rise to 99% as the middle class disappears entirely.
 
 
+22 # anyfreeman 2012-10-17 16:25
The Tea Party represents the latest chapter in a concerted, coordinated, and venomous campaign to divert the righteous anger of the populace away from the villains. It's only the decency and generous natures of most of the American citizens that allows this to continue.

Relentless vicious assaults upon civil, legal and moral rights are hidden from view, while snitches and tax cheats are held up as heroes.
Seth Rosenfeld exposed how J.Edgar Hoover and the FBI were the muscle of an American Right Wing that did not allow free speech, that exploited the communist scares to wage wars on our children, our workers, our religious leaders to divide, decimate and destroy. No wonder there's a sense of entitlement on the smirking faces of the leadership. They have benefited, as did Ronald Reagan, by being the remora on the scales of the reptilian right wing.
Ultimately, the Tea Party's brownshirts may dominate the elections, and their moneyed backers will convince the uneducated, and misled that up is down, toxic waste is good to breathe, and that waging endless war somehow keeps us safer. The idea that was America has changed forever, and we can thank the paranoid cabal that has sold our birthright for an unchallendged right to "Drill, Kill and Spill."
 
 
+13 # Corvette-Bob 2012-10-17 16:47
I believe that there is some danger of this occurring, especially with the trend of the concentration of wealth with the few. The rich will control the flow of information to the population which has shown a perpensity to be easily influenced and minipulated. As LeeBlack stated above that common sense and knowledge seems to have very little effect to influence the discussion on virtually any issue. For example, if you say that 99% of climatologist say that C02 effects climate and that we have a problem with climate change those who oppose govt action can just eliminate the argument by dismissing the scientist as being pointed headed liberals who should not be believed. The data and the methodology is not investigated by the non scientist and the population does not feel a need to conduct any investigation into the matter even though the issue could end civilization as we know it.
 
 
+13 # brenda 2012-10-17 16:53
You know, in this world of 7 billion people, that if the people with great wealth used their money to eliminate world hunger, and disease; Sought to provide education to all, and abolish discrimination and hate; And actually cared about nature, clean water, clean air, and the upper atmosphere; Worked to get peaceful countries; There would be no need for Liberals/Progre ssives.
 
 
-3 # fhunter 2012-10-17 16:55
With the election of Obama in 2008, the liberal triumph was in reach, but lost by Obama. When he refused to order the "Pecora hearings", refused to investigate the banksters, refused to investigate the incompetence and horrors of the Iraq war, he lost Democracy to Plutocracy for generations. He does not deserve to be reelected, except for the danger of one more "party member" in the Supreme Court.
 
 
+2 # dovelane1 2012-10-18 13:40
Obama is the easiest target to blame. And, if you think it all goes back to one person, then it becomes much easier to ignore or deny all the other problems inherent in the system.

This is not a one person problem. This is a systemic problem. As Thomas Friedman said ":We don't need better government - we need better citizens."

Obama mentioned this fact during his acceptance speech. We need citizenship skills. The people who want to control other people, do not want to have more people involved in the process. They want to keep us deaf, dumb, and blind.

They want to have power over others, not power with othyers. Sharing power with others means less of everything for them.

It's been written that to a wise person, enough is as good as a feast. To the people who want power, who are afraid of giving up power, there will NEVER be enough. Power never gave up anythhing withyout a concerted effort by a group of people.

As long as we the people can be kept divided and ignorant, nothing will change. And that is not all Obama's fault. We all need to take some responsibility for what has happened and is happening, and work to do better.
 
 
+9 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-17 17:16
We allowed them, we may have raised them or our friends did.
Want to rid yourselves of tea party cretins than you should have been getting involved and moving the other parties along

Want to blame someone do not kill the messenger...you were all asleep at the wheel. I know most of you, I see you when I come to get signatures, meetings...not tonite, not tomorrow, too busy, nope do not want to sign that, do not want to get involved. Just gonna run me mouth.

twenty nine years my friends and I called on you, showed you facts...but you refused to look. Now all we can do is point fingers. Go to a Mirror and do it.

Tea Party will sell themselves out to the next bidder. If Romney gets in and jobs leave...their gonna lose jobs too Maybe even companies...no small loss Time they all were on our side of the boat and we are gone in the life rafts
 
 
+24 # carp 2012-10-17 17:28
Just two hours ago I had a client on my table tell me in all seriousness that Obama was a Muslim. Being gobsmacked by the ignorance of it this highly educated person I fell out of my therapist role and said Surely you are joking. She said he's not?? Everyone at the school I work at says it so. I told her what I knew but I do not think she believed me. The lies are insidious and they do not stop coming.
 
 
+1 # robniel 2012-10-18 09:06
Obviously belongs on the table.
 
 
+3 # kelly 2012-10-18 10:14
Obviously doesn't need to work at the school...
More likely she needs to ATTEND
 
 
+1 # dovelane1 2012-10-18 22:21
When I run into this kind of ignorance, I always ask a person if they can prove it. A fact is something that can be proven; an opinion or an assumption is somthing that either cannot be proven, or has yet to be proven. Just because all their friends or so-workers believe something to be true, does not always make it so.

If you can get a person to understand the difference between a fact ann an opinion/assumpt ion, they might, possibly, allow themselves to look further into the subject. Perhaps they will even begin to ask their friends and co-wrkers to prove it. That would be progress.
 
 
+14 # sapereaudeprime 2012-10-17 18:03
Yeah, the Tea Party will win like the National Socialists won in Germany. The end result will be a nation crippled and defeated by the rest of the world in a total war, a nation ostracized every where decency and Judeo-Christian compassion are still valued, and finally blown to smithereens by the massed forces of civilization. Except, there won't be any Marshall PLan to put this country back together again. There goes America, right back into the dark ages. Three things trickle down: urine, diarrhea and menses. If you want that for a diet, vote for the Tea Party.
 
 
+7 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-10-17 19:03
A question that is not clear to many who listen to the Social Security "demolition derby." Why is it that the Plutocrats want to destroy this program? Could it be because that there is on the unspoken agenda that employers would not have to make employee contributions? I do not have access to the contribution math. Gotta be talking about massive amounts of money.
 
 
+3 # robniel 2012-10-18 09:10
Most who want to destroy social programs simply do not want to pay for any of them and have a "dog eat dog" mentality. Even those in the Donner Party of 1846-7 were more civilized.
 
 
+4 # Shorey13 2012-10-17 19:49
Insecurity (fear) and ignorance are the ideal potting soil for demagogues. Check out "Pity the Billionaire'" by Thomas Frank. Our biggest problem with this Reactionary Revolution (the oxymoron is entirely appropriate ), as Frank explains, is that Dick Armey and the Koch Brothers are telling these frightened, ignorant people that there is a conspiracy between Government, Big Business and the Banks against the "little guy," especially small business owners. The problem we have is that this is the truth, and Obama is one of the chief perpetrators. You have to understand that the Educated "Liberal" Elite and the County Club Republicans are determined to maintain "business as usual" (no matter the consequences to the rest of us), because they are its beneficiaries. Like it or not, the Reactionary Revolution is succeeding because they are being handed red meat by those who used to represent the underclass. I will be 73 next month, and I remember that Democratic Party, but it has been hijacked by those who used to be called "Rockefeller Republicans" (Clinton, Obama, Feinstein, etc) who now call themselves Centrist "Moderate" Democrats. The only way to defeat a revolution is with concerted non-violent resistance,Not demonstrations, which are useless, but refusal to cooperate. No government, no matter how repressive, has ever been able to survive if enough people refuse to support it.You could look it up.
 
 
+2 # dovelane1 2012-10-18 13:49
We don't need to get government out of business as much as we need to get business out of government.

We also don't need to get government out of religion as much as we need to get religion out of government.

So many people respond to the passion and sincerity of the messages being put out my Romney and Ryan. They seem to have forgotten how passionate and sincer Adolph Hitler was with his message.

To me, that speaks of ignorance more than anything else. Passion without rational intelligence leads to fanaticism or zealousness. Intelligence without passion is boring, and doesn't move people. We are out of balance.
 
 
+19 # Phillybuster 2012-10-17 20:57
Frank, fascism is already here in the form of the Patriot Acts, warrantless wiretaps, NSA intercepts of emails and phone calls, the tracking of internet activity, the so-called "War on Drugs", the incarceration of a greater percentage of the citizenry than any other country on earth, undeclared wars, war crimes, the use of torture in interrogation, indefinite detentions, denial of due process, denial of habeas corpus, the militarization of police forces (see Occupy protests), etc.

Don't worry about the Tea Party because we've already done it to ourselves. Everybody turned chickenshit after 9/11 (so much for the home of the brave) and decided that Big Brother's boot forever stomping on their faces was better than taking the miniscule risk of getting blown up by Al Qaeda. It wasn't the Tea Party that killed America, it was cowardice. Folks wanted to make the USA safe for reality TV, football, hot dogs, apple pie, Chevrolet and ED medications.
 
 
+3 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-10-17 22:46
"Land of the free and the home of the brave." Interesting words, "free" and "brave" when one thinks about the use of these two words. We speak of four ideas. Land of the free usually refers to the Plutocrats. Do they or do they not own the vast majority of the land and most of the wealth of the country? And, the Plutocrats almost never forget to use this word when referring to their interests such as free enterprise and that includes free(dom) from regulations that curtail profits. Reduction and the relaxation of purposeful regulations can and usually does cause corporations to become predators, pursuit of "Rand" economics which is of course results in Darwinism without compassion. What about the use of the word "brave?" Are we speaking of those who duck the draft like Dick Cheney, others from wealthy families who get, have access to military service deferments? Why would predators like Dick Cheney fight in wars which they think they have a divine right to start? Would fighting in wars rob them of their freedom to become multi-millionai res off of the wars, particularly wars they start? How about the word brave? Who are the brave who defend the country? Most often those who fight in the front lines are not the "Plutocrats." Suppose we were to say, "land of the free and the brave?" Now we have two adjectives which can apply to the same person. Plutocrats-brav e? Am I being cynical as I dissect possible meanings. Might be some truth here beyond being just a little cynical?
 
 
+5 # davidr 2012-10-17 22:22
Reactionaries seem to win because they never go away. They persist in the body politic by making only one demand — a demand that is utterly elastic, detached from any policy agenda, and independent of electoral outcomes. Their singular demand is to keep power.

In their demand, reactionaries will always be unsatisfied. No matter what party holds office, no matter what legislative agenda is enacted, they will not believe their power sufficient. They will think of themselves as deprived, yet we will think of them as winners, because they persist. They never view their position as settled. For reactionaries, electoral victory or defeat is equally a starting point.

All this just means that the progressive project has no end. If reactionaries feel that they’ve won too little power, so progressives should feel that we’ve won too little social justice. We, too, should always see ourselves at a starting point — setbacks and accomplishments merely provisional, the status quo unacceptable. Turns out that continual dissatisfaction is the only form that winning can take.
 
 
+3 # Phillybuster 2012-10-18 08:15
Yes. For a long time, liberals believed that liberalism in the form of the New Deal and as expanded by later Democratic administrations (Medicare, etc.)was a settled position. Liberals fell asleep at the switch believing that no one would dare attempt taking away social insurance programs like Social Security and Medicare. Liberals thought that the big battles were won except for universal health care and that only some mop up operations remained (equal pay for women, marriage equality, etc.)

Unfortunately, the Iron Triangle of Big Money, Big Hair (the religious right) and the Neocons had not given up their fight for an American aristocracy, bedroom police and the military domination of the planet. Fanatics never give up and authoritarians never stop seeking Fearless Leader.

Consequently, liberals need to get back into the fight, stop turning the other cheek and confront these reactionary forces whenever and wherever they appear. No more Mr. Nice Guy, pushover, Caspar Milquetoast, let's hold hands and sing Kumbaya liberals. Speak up and speak out! Confront ignorance and stupidity wherever it's found.
 
 
0 # dovelane1 2012-10-18 22:01
The price of freedom is eternal vivilence.
 
 
+3 # WolfTotem 2012-10-18 02:30
Tea Partiers are like those youngsters from Muslim families who became disconnected from tradition and either ended up badly or came near to doing so, and were then captured by Jihadi preachers promising them "the real Islam" - but selling them latterday Islamism. Tea Partiers believe they're tapping into the original American inspiration, that of the Founding Fathers. They worship the Constitution, especially those bits of it they think they understand, and which seem to correspond to their prejudices; yet they're more like those backwoodsmen from the time of the Articles of Confederation and the Northwest Ordinances who projected their hole-in-corner individual experience onto the needs of a vast new nation and saw no need for any constitution or government other than God and the Bible.

As Shorey 13 says, they're "the ideal potting soil for demagogues" - and, given their outsize fears in search of a pretext, for latterday fascists. Thank you, Phillybuster, for making that clear.
 
 
+4 # ahaywood 2012-10-18 03:44
Phillybuster you are right on. The Patriot Act, 911 and racism is killing our America. If one thinks about it, nothing in life is safe so why put us in chains because of 9/11 and the Patriot Act? Osama Bin L. has won you know. He is probably turning over in his grave with laughter--hopef ully burning in hell. I do see a bright light here. The racism crowd is a dying breed. Our country is becoming browner than ever. Our children are growing up watching us screw up everything and they don't seem to want to be a part of the mess we are making of our democrary. The true deal here is that the Tea Party Republicans are using their money to grasp for straws as they see this country becoming more and more brown instead of the good old boy 1 percent white richnites. The are running scared and using their money to tgry and change the dynamics of our America. They want to control it all and the rest of us (the 47 percent and up) will be their slaves and puppets. This is the true fact..whether you want to believe it or not. Hey TEA PARTY, enjoy your last days as they will come to an end as we grow more and more multi-cultural. Think about what I have said as it will open your eyes to the real reason why the Republicans are on their last leg. By the way, when have been up this road before as history (check it out) does repeat itself... we will make it folks!
 
 
+3 # wrknight 2012-10-18 06:57
Don't count on it. Keep in mind who really rules in South Africa in spite of being a small minority. We could become like them.

So long as people continue to ignore the real issues, refuse to educate themselves and drink the Kool-Aid, the prospects for a happy ending continue to fade.
 
 
+1 # MidwestTom 2012-10-18 04:24
Latinos in general live in a traditional family structure, and attend church, and are3 not on welfare.. Latinos are more conservative than most current Democrats. Eventually they will start voting with the conservatives.
 
 
+1 # Phillybuster 2012-10-18 08:20
Except conservatives won't accept Latinos unless they start bleaching their skin and stop speaking Spanish.
 
 
+4 # peterjmck1 2012-10-18 05:30
As usual, Frank Rich has written a perspicacious and well researched article placing the "tea-baggers" (courtesy of Bill Maher) in the context of US politics. It is both saddening - and frightening - that Citizens United now gives them such potential to wreak such electoral havoc.
 
 
+12 # wrknight 2012-10-18 06:49
In modern dictionaries, the definition of "fascism" has changed from what it was after WWII. As late as 1976, the American Heritage Dictionary defined

fascism: a philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with an ideology of belligerent nationalism.

Does this ring any bells?
 
 
+4 # wwway 2012-10-18 07:18
Thank you wrknight. Your post showed up after I just scholded. The 1976 AHD version is adaquate enough.
I would add that the role of the Church in a fascist state is to convince citizens that fascism and faith are one. This is the role of right wing Chrisitanity and the Catholic Church in this country.
 
 
+1 # wrknight 2012-10-18 11:21
To add a little history to the definition, the word fascist is derived from the latin word fasces which is an ax blade embedded in a bundle of sticks lashed together to form a weapon. The fasces has been used as a symbol of power from the time of the early Romans. Benito Mussolini adopted the fasces as the symbol of his political party and named his party the Fascist Party.

Mussolini came to power through the combined efforts of business and political leaders. He was elected to parliament in 1921 (in a completely democratic election) and was appointed Prime Mininster in 1922. He subsequently turned the Italian democracy into a dictatorship and allied himself with Adolf Hitler in WWII.

Furthermore, Adolf Hitler was appointed chancellor in January 1933 by President Paul von Hindenburg at the urging of several influential politicians and industrialists. In March 1933, Hitler's Nazi party won a plurality in the elections thus allowing Hitler to lead a coalition government that he subsequently converted into a dictatorship.

Bear in mind the old addage that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Corporations given power over citizens constitutes the most dangerous enemy a democracy will ever face.

Also bear in mind two other famous quotes "There is no enemy greater than the enemy within" and Pogo's famous quote "We have met the enemy and he is us".
 
 
0 # David Starr 2012-10-19 11:27
@wrknight: Yeah, that's a valid description of fascism. Add in cases of religious extremism.
 
 
+3 # wwway 2012-10-18 07:13
Fascism, communism, socialism. I'm getting the impression that posters don't know the definitions. Alas, Americans are so generally dumbed down by choice that they don't know, don't care. Except, of course, to throw the words around as freely as cus words. Sad. Because democracy is a process that ensures the people get the government they deserve. The dumber the masses the least they deserve.
 
 
+2 # Robert B 2012-10-18 07:53
A very depressing article, Frank. Are you saying that there is absolutely no hope for enlightenment or even common sense, and that we should prepare ourselves for the coming fascist country we cannot help but become? I don't think I buy that.

The Republican Party jettisoned Lincoln a long time ago and has become the party of Joe McCarthy and Rupert Murdoch. No matter how passionate and organized the right may be, I don't see broad appeal there. Especially when we're bogged down in more pointless wars, 90% of us are poor and young women are dying in bloody abortions again. I would certainly like to believe that a large majority would put a stop to it.
 
 
0 # farbie 2012-10-18 08:38
Mr. Rich: What dope are you using? How can you say that the "Tea Party" will win in the end? The Tea Party is a creation of corporatists (read: fascists) and a small, very dedicated core of extremists who have made their small fortune, and don't want to share it with anyone else. Obama is the only "grown-up" in this election. While I disagree with his constant pandering to the right, (e.g. his suggestion on Tuesday that he will open up the Keystone pipeline, etc., in the face of global warming), a Romney win is very likely to unleash the full Tea Party House upon unsuspecting Americans. The key to this election and all future elections is we HAVE to get people out to VOTE!!! This is how we will overturn Citizens United, enact true campaign finance reform, and someday get a "Medicare for All" health-care system.
 
 
+1 # David Starr 2012-10-18 11:30
Rich's article on the one hand is a necessary "slap in the face" to further alert the potential for a Right-wing "coup" within the United States. On the other hand, Rich sounds rather defeatist in assuming a "bright" future for the Right. It is not, and will be not, the end of history. But perhaps it could be a scenario of it getting worse, with the Right in power, before it gets better. For example, more and more people may just find themselves with an indefinate lowering of living standards, living in a virtual theocracy, etc. This could not last, especially when the stakes become even higher. Meanwhile, the Right's antiquated, borderline-insa ne thinking and agenda must be confronted for the sake of stopping them now, and later; it is self-evident.
 
 
+1 # Replicounts 2012-10-18 13:34
We need to re-think all of this. The bottom line is that institutions of all sorts are grossly failing to serve people. Instead they serve "persons" (corporations).

Governments murder thousands, even millions of people for no reason whatsoever. Examples: The U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 -- or World War I, a war about nothing, which set the stage for Hitler and World War II. Don't support governments or worship them.

Corporations are worse. They have corrupted governments, and are the driving force for wars. Traditionally they let governments pull the triggers, but are doing it more and more themselves. And they create poverty, so that the the Congress-corrup ting class can feel better about their lives in comparison.

Millions of peoples' lives are not working. Some of them find their outlet in hate, usually targeting victims du jour.

Somehow we must build new, more grassroots institutions that serve human needs and purposes -- including finding friends and partners, finding a livelihood, and controlling the corporate and government machines of death.
 
 
0 # unitedwestand 2012-10-20 02:32
The only way conservatives have won is by cheating. It worked when they maneuvered the Iran hostages being kept until Reagan's inauguration, they made Clinton's tenure a horror, for him and the nation, they managed a coup d'etat in 2000. Now with the help of Citizen's United and suppression of voters and Romney/Ryan lying marathons, we may have a problem.
 
 
0 # futhark 2012-10-20 08:55
Nature wins in the end. Like the bumper sticker says: "Believing In Masculine Bovine Excrement Doesn't Make It True".
 
 
0 # kenecon 2012-10-20 20:42
Rich describes the shape-shifting ability of the Republicans and a large low-information , indoctrinated anti-government segment of the white majority. The thing he doesn't examine at length that contributes to the repeated resurgence of the well-funded, crazy, corporatist right wing is the vacuousness of the GOP's main opposition. The Dem's own tendency, if not to shape shift, is to have no shape at all except to implicitly identify with the dominant corporatist, militarist, Caucasian, exceptionalist world view that is essentially equivalent to that of the GOP. The middle class electorate didn't always hate government, witness the New Deal era popularity of FDR's version of big government. Since then, government, whether under Repub or Dem control, has not done much for them, except perhaps briefly during the Great Society, and that benefited low-participati on poor folks more that the white middle class. And that fragile liberal consensus was shattered by the Viet Nam War and its fallout. The real problem today is that the Dem Party has little to offer average folks will lure them away from the fear-based, prejudiced, anti-government Republican snake oil.
 

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