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Greenwald writes: "So medals would be awarded for sitting safely ensconced in a bunker on US soil and launching bombs with a video joystick at human beings thousands of miles away."

These pilots are not in the cockpit, but an underground bunker thousands of miles away from their target. (photo: USAF)
These pilots are not in the cockpit, but an underground bunker thousands of miles away from their target. (photo: USAF)

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+35 # futhark 2012-07-11 16:19
Is there a medal for cowardice in the face of the "enemy", to recognize the efforts of those who sit on their fat posteriors in air-conditioned comfort and safety and direct the blasting of living human flesh on the other side of the planet? At least the SS guards in the Nazi death camps were on site to witness first hand the horror of what they were doing. The whole drone program totally abstracts the sufferings of its victims, all at no risk to the perpetrators.

The drone program is just about the ultimate in terror: a big, powerful country uses advanced technology to bump off and rub out people without warning and with total physical immunity.

Despite what these pilots may say, they really are just playing video games. The gore and stench of real casualties can never reach them.

I'm ashamed that my country has been the innovator of this new kind of warfare, the antithesis of the citizen/patriot warrior who is willing to risk all for the principles of liberty and justice. I'm sick of paying taxes that support this kind of ethical disease and want it stopped.
 
 
-20 # phantomww 2012-07-12 09:27
For all. IF you have never been in combat then you don't know what you are taling about so kindly keep it shut.

As for all the people who decry the fact that technology removes the person from being close to the horrors of war, the same comment has been made throughout history.

First we fought with our hands and had to kill that way (up close). then we used tools that killed instead of our hands (still close), then we started to throw things like rocks and spears (how cowardly of them). Then someone invented the bow and we could kill from long distance without the enemy knowing you were close (not too fair). Then those using bows complained about those using guns which fired at a longer range. How about the people who rode horses and ran over people (like that took courage). Then of course we can jump to ship warfare and then how about those who use tanks against infranty? How about planes dropping bombs?

So just admit that you don't know what you are talking about. Man has forever been finding ways to kill each other and we will continue.

Again, just like lib women who say men don't have the right to talk about abortion, people who have never been in combat don't have the right to talk about war.
 
 
+8 # Salus Populi 2012-07-12 18:36
1 of 2

The only slight ethical problem here is that it's not war at all. It is simply butchery of people on the other side of the world, who not only are almost all civilians, and not only are citize3ns of countries with which the United States is not officially at war, but are entirely unable to fight back. When both sides had longbows, there was risk to each. Even with tanks against infantry, there is the possibility of getting a grenade through the gun port. And in all cases, the battlefield warrior has chosen to go to the battlefield (if not drafted). But the greatest innovation of 20th century warfare is the deliberate targeting of civilians in order to "break the spirit" of the country being attacked. (This, by the way, is not only a war crime but a crime against humanity, according to the treaties the U.S. has signed and ratified, thus under the constitution the highest law of the land.) In World War I, unanimously considered one of the most brutalizing experiences in history, approximately 25 per cent of the casualties were civilians. Now, according to SIPRI, it is closer to 90 or even 95 per cent. Civilians are not choosing to put themselves at risk, as honorable countries' soldiers are. (continued)
 
 
-5 # phantomww 2012-07-13 09:29
Of course it is war. They plot to kill us and we plot to kill them. They use IEDs and hijack airplanes and we use drones (among many other things). If they are unable to fight back, just who is killing and wounding all of our people? The ones who are targets of drones have chosen to act against us so they are not innocent civilians. Your lack of military history is evident when you state that it was a 20th century innobation to "break the spirit" of the country. that has been the goal since warfare began. Ever hear about Khan wiping out entire cities to make the next one surrender? How about seizes where germ filled dead animals were catapulted into the walled city?
Do you mean WW2 when you put WW1? I will just assume it is a typo, but if not you are wrong.
 
 
+1 # Salus Populi 2012-07-16 00:40
Quote:
They plot to kill us and we plot to kill them. They use IEDs and hijack airplanes and we use drones (among many other things). If they are unable to fight back, just who is killing and wounding all of our people?
Just who is "they"? The Saudis seem to have been involved with, financed and given the personnel to hijack the 911 airplanes, assuming for the moment that the government's conspiracy theory is true; no Afghanis, no Pakistanis, no Libyans, no Somalis, and no Iraqis involved. Yet the KSA is treated as our loyal ally, while we use drones midnight murder squads, bombs and strafing to murder people -- 15 civilians for every single militant killed by drones in Pakistan -- in all those countries. Pakistan is supposed to be another loyal ally, but that hasn't saved the upwards of a thousand tribesmen and their family members from being eviscerated by the United States.

As to "just who is killing and wounding all of our people," the people you speak of are *invaders* and *occupiers* of their country, in violation of international law.
 
 
+2 # Salus Populi 2012-07-16 00:44
Quote:
The ones who are targets of drones have chosen to act against us so they are not innocent civilians.


Finally, the statement that the victims of the drones have chosen to fight us is ludicrous. Awlaki's 16 year old son, looking for his father, whom we had murdered without charges, was likewise murdered by our drones, for the crime of having been born into the wrong family. And are the 5-year-olds choosing sides?

You should check out the video produced by the Ron Paul campaign regarding a make-believe scenario of China or some other super power invading the U.S. It is an eye opener.
 
 
-2 # phantomww 2012-07-16 09:29
In reply to both of yours. The "they" is al qaeda regardless of their nationality. Just because most of the hjackers were Saudis does not make SA our enemy. But skip 9-11 since a few extremists beleive it was an inside job, lets look at the first WTC attack. People were killed and last time I checked the WTC was in America, so they attacked us.
So after 9-11 we went after them where they were, afghanistan. Nothing illegal about that at all. Also, it is not just US forces that are there and we are there at the request of the current afghan govt so we are not "invaders" or "occupiers".

Regarding innocents being killed in war. It is truly a sad thing but impossible to stop. If a person chooses to make war on someone else then it is they who are respondsible for the loss of life, especially if they stay around innocents. Or do such things as hide in churchs, mosques, hospitals etc.

You can rant all you want about illegal war but the simple fact is that it is not.
 
 
+9 # Salus Populi 2012-07-12 18:39
2 of 2

Blasting five year old children to bits, scattering their entrails upon the ground, is not honorable combat. Doing so from a comfortable chair in an office cubicle half a world away is the very epitome of cowardice, and the triggermen as well as the Global Godfather who spends his Tuesday afternoons deciding who to kill should be facing execution or life in prison as war criminals, not being considered for medals.
 
 
+9 # reiverpacific 2012-07-12 19:31
"@ phantomww" (and others).
Such a sad case of blinkered perspective and denial of the fact that we are supposed have evolved in all ways, as we tend to call ourselves "Civilized".
And you appear to have glossed over, or forgotten the plain, undeniable fact that -let's say- 95% of the Dinwits/Cheney administration never served a minute in combat or the military! But by Gawd, they did a lot of shouting, bluffing, lying, skullduggery and sending of so many thousands of young people off to death, disability or madness and suicide, not to mention destruction of two counties and their peoples they didn't even begin to comprehend, one of the cradles of "civilization" and the historical artifacts that recorded this. Well now, did THEY know what they were talking about? Was THAT OK with you.
Perhaps YOU should attempt to keep "it" shut and open other orifices that facilitate hearing whilst trying to develop the mechanism which turns what you hear into reasoning abilities. Most of us have these inherent appendages and cortexes, no matter how apparently deeply buried they might appear to be,
 
 
-5 # phantomww 2012-07-13 09:38
"Civilized" is just a word that means we find easier ways to kill each other. Please get over the "they didn't serve" BS. We are a nation where the civilians rule the military. Just curious, what branch of the service did FDR serve in? Or how about Lincoln? Those 2 were presidents when we lost the most killed in war. Also, since we have an ALL VOLUNTEER military, I don't think they marched off a bunce of people who did not know what they were doing. Last time I checked we started to fight (for real) in the middle east in 1991 and have been there since so any who joined after that did so on their own accord.
Attacking Iraq and AF was approved by congress so I am fine with that, it was legal. Finally, how many in the Obama Admin have ever served in combat or the military? Is he not the one who has the "kill" list? In fact, that is the first known case of a president having a "kill" list. Nixon had an "enemies" list but he didn't have them killed.

so again, unless you have been in combat, keep it shut cause you have not earned the right to talk about what happens in combat. BTW, combat is a dirty, evil, hateful thing that should not ever happen, but it does.
 
 
+5 # reiverpacific 2012-07-13 20:24
Quoting phantomww:
"Civilized" is just a word that means we find easier ways to kill each other. Please get over the "they didn't serve" BS. We are a nation where the civilians rule the military. Just curious, what branch of the service did FDR serve in? Or how about Lincoln? Those 2 were presidents when we lost the most killed in war. Also, since we have an ALL VOLUNTEER military, I don't think they marched off a bunce of people who did not know what they were doing. Last time I checked we started to fight (for real) in the middle east in 1991 and have been there since so any who joined after that did so on their own accord.
Attacking Iraq and AF was approved by congress so I am fine with that, it was legal. Finally, how many in the Obama Admin have ever served in combat or the military? Is he not the one who has the "kill" list? In fact, that is the first known case of a president having a "kill" list. Nixon had an "enemies" list but he didn't have them killed.

so again, unless you have been in combat, keep it shut cause you have not earned the right to talk about what happens in combat. BTW, combat is a dirty, evil, hateful thing that should not ever happen, but it does.

I rest my case.
"Get over it" is just another way of say "Accept the status quo lie down and let it roll over you".
Any other tools of acceptance and conformity you'd like to share?
Pretty poor
 
 
-3 # phantomww 2012-07-13 23:53
So your solution is what? require all future presidents to serve in the military before they can be elected? How about members of Congress, after all they have to approve sending troops to war (excluding the War Powers law)? BTW, last time I checked both Bush 1 and Bush 2 served in the military but neither Clinton (Serbia and somalia) or Obama did (cont AF). So how is that working out for you?
You can rest your case because you don't have one.
 
 
+3 # phrixus 2012-07-13 09:42
Everyone in a free, democratic society has the right to speak on any subject they so desire (see First Amendment To US Constitution). Under your plan only electricians have the right to discuss electricity and let's also keep quiet about automobiles unless we offend a mechanic somewhere. You may want to rethink your position.
 
 
-1 # phantomww 2012-07-13 23:54
Excuse me but I am only applying what I keep hearing from many liberal women when abortion is the topic. Just curious, have you ever told them to rethink their position when they say that?
 
 
-17 # Robt Eagle 2012-07-12 10:14
Who the hell do you think is guiding the drones to where they strike? The pilots are far away, yes, but the Special Operations Forces (SOF), guys like Navy SEALs, Air Force Forward Air Controllers (FARCs), CIA operators, and Special Forces (Green Berets) are infiltrating the bad guys to direct the drones firing. In addition the SOF have to follow thr Rules of Engagement (ROE's) to avoid collateral damage, often at their own peril with so many bad guys around. Most articles like this one do not let you know we have personnel on the ground directing the fire directly onto bad guys. Stop listening to liberal rhetoric, get your heads into the sun shine and think about what is really going on in locations that you couldn't imagine our SOF going. By the way, it is well over 100 degress during the height of the day in Afghanistan right now. All so authors can write this crap as in the article we are commenting on.
 
 
+33 # Capn Canard 2012-07-11 18:28
Glad to see that at lest Glenn Greenwald sees the irony many of us have been thinking about for a long,long time. What really galls me is that this is the first American commentary on this cowardly tactic I've seen published online or printed anywhere. The whole drone thing is so incredibly ugly... and if anyone gets a medal for it they need to be kicked to the curb along with those who award them medals. It is so shameful and giving a medal to such people devalues the heroics of truly brave soldiers.
 
 
-32 # Gungadin 2012-07-11 21:52
I get a warm, fuzzy feeling knowing that this technology is ours not theirs.
 
 
+17 # Kiwikid 2012-07-11 23:39
For how long? Extrapolate this and the future looks very ugly. For everybody.
 
 
+16 # Glen 2012-07-12 05:21
Are you certain of that, Gungadin? The U.S. is selling and giving drones to any number of people and countries. A small time journalist in the U.S. built his own spy drone, for making photographs he could not, out of a model helicopter. Enlarging that idea is well within the know-how of many desiring to pull it off.

Science fiction at its finest.
 
 
+14 # Capn Canard 2012-07-12 06:27
Gungadin, and when they develop their own technology how will your feelings change when you witness a drone overhead? Or even if our technology is used against We the People, oh shit!-- it is evolving in that direction right now.
 
 
+7 # John Locke 2012-07-12 08:16
Capn Canard: Don't forget Iran already has one of ours and surely has reverse engineered it by now!

You can bet at some point there will be a leveling of the playing field and all nations will be using this technology!

It detaches the joy stick operator from reality and makes it more like a video game, making it easier to kill because no one appears real!
 
 
+5 # Glen 2012-07-12 13:04
I have a close friend whose brother operates drones from that "bunker". Some of those guys have actually had to have counseling or have quit because they could not reconcile what they were doing at their console with going home to their own children, similar to those they killed that day. Apparently, others get off on the project and actually feel, using a cliche, empowered with the ability to get right in and do the job regardless of any innocents who might suffer.
 
 
+7 # Capn Canard 2012-07-12 18:55
and it confirms that war is hell, and killing from a distance is still cowardly.

and hell.

Killing with a sniper rifle is cowardly as well. But the argument could be made that any killing is cowardly. Fear inspires our acts of aggression and violence. We are frightened little children. So I guess that is why we kill.
 
 
+13 # Granny Weatherwax 2012-07-12 09:15
Except our govt or police forces can use it here, now...
Still feeling fuzzy?
 
 
+3 # Glen 2012-07-12 13:07
AND, Granny, our own government pressured the FAA to allow the use of drones over U.S. territory. I'm feeling fuzzy, but that is a slight feeling of fear, really, tingling in the spine.
 
 
+13 # Rich Austin 2012-07-11 22:24
Let us not forget his Democratic Leadership Council machinations. Along with other Clintonite neoliberals, Glass-Steagall was disemboweled, NAFTA and WTO got shoved down our throats, deregulation was embraced, protective tariffs were jettisoned, and now we are seeing the results those “free market” excesses.

Make no mistake about it, after the economic crisis has subsided one constant will remain: The rich will have entered it rich and will emerge rich. Only the working class will have suffered job loss, foreclosure, denial of access to quality health care, insecurity in retirement, and dashed dreams they one held for their children.

Harold Ford and his neoliberal, sociopathic bunkmates are, in good old street parlance, punks!
 
 
+30 # NonnyO 2012-07-11 22:47
Warfare has been reduced to a video game with fatalities in another country on the receiving end where the bombs are dropped..., and now a pompous Pentagon ass is proposing a medal for stick-jockey slaughterers? Gee. How brave.

I'm underwhelmed. No, these stick-jockey slaughterers do NOT deserve a medal for making a game of death and destruction.

This is one of the reasons I'm deeply ashamed and embarrassed to call myself an American. [The other reasons involve the fact that Dumbya and Dickie and their lying criminal cohorts have never been put on trial for their war crimes and ordering torture, as well as lying more times than any of us can count.]
 
 
+11 # Smiley 2012-07-11 23:40
These medals are going to come back and bite them in the butt. I can't imagine how anyone can conceive of drone warfare as anything but cowardly.
 
 
+5 # upsetter 2012-07-11 23:43
I hope the author is a Roger Waters fan. The bravery of being out of range, great song.
 
 
+12 # Old Uncle Dave 2012-07-11 23:46
Under principals that used to be honored in the US, they and their superiors up the chain of command all the way to the oval office are war criminals.
 
 
+15 # Erdajean 2012-07-12 01:04
Almost too disgusting for comment. As one with a beloved grandkid in Afghanistan in the heat and dust and I fear the cross-hairs of some Afghan kid's gun, I want to clobber the pot-bellied Pentagon jerk who is calling these repugnant shots.
A HERO, you soulless crap-skull, is somebody who risks life, limb and/or fortune and reputation to make the world a better, safer place for others.
The whole concept of the drone is cowardly and immoral beyond imagination. To hell with whoever came up with such an invention -- and with those in the current administration who put this nightmare in motion -- ESPECIALLY those!
We cannot do this to others and expect protection for ourselves.
 
 
-10 # phantomww 2012-07-12 09:30
I hope your grandkid is safe but do you think that if he were to kill an enemy at 500 yds with a sniper rifle that the enemy didn't even know he was there, then that would be heroic? Or how about the enemy who plants an IED and just blows it up when he is far away. How about your grandkid calling in an airstrike against a group a mile away, is that heroic? Just curious and again I hope your grandkid is safe and I thank him/her for their service.
 
 
-12 # Robt Eagle 2012-07-12 10:55
My son is an officer with a Navy SEAL Team in Afghanistan on the border of Pakistan. Who do you think is directing the drone strikes? It is done by the guys on the ground. No heroism, just the job they are trained to do, and they do it very well. Maybe the civilians (Obama Administration) are the cowards as described by many comments for using drones, but then again, it has been pretty successful...ho wever, getting intel from the bad guys the SEALs could grab up, rather than kill by drone, would work better, but it doesn't sound so politically correct to get intelligence from a bad guy as it does to just eliminate them (Obama's decision).
 
 
+18 # RMDC 2012-07-12 05:01
The medals are designed to cover up the fact that this is outright murder. A very high portion of the people killed and injured are just ordinary people trying to live their lives just as any American does. They are poor and unhappy with their corrupt governments. The US bombs and murders them in a criminal effort to brutalize them into silence and submission.

Why is there no elected official in the US who is taking a stand against drone murder. We all know that drone terrorism is just getting started. In 10 years, if things keep going as they now are, the US will be killing people all over the world, and even inside the US. Mexico will be a huge drone terrorism zone, as the US develops Mexico into a drug empire just like Afghanistan.
 
 
+15 # fredboy 2012-07-12 05:45
Napolean once said "Give me enough ribbon and I will conquer the world." Thus the power of medals.
So America's new fighter jocks will be fat-butted armchair riders. The swagger will be replaced by the waddle.
And America will cheer...
 
 
+9 # cordleycoit 2012-07-12 06:19
Making sense out of drone killers has the Alice In Wonderland world of the politician chicken hawk.Ambush is the tradional way of murdering another. This has all the attraction of ambush except the rape of the victim's wife and children is eliminated. The might be the point of valor. Simple question. How do I as a non combatant identify my self to these whacked out killers thousands of miles away safe and protected in their bunkers? We have become a sociopathic nation.
 
 
-3 # phantomww 2012-07-13 16:15
So do you suggest we fight wars like in the 1700-1800's where the troops all line up in front of each other as blast away? I guess in you world, it would be bad to hid behind a rock when shooting.
 
 
+7 # Kootenay Coyote 2012-07-12 08:21
I recall my British-born parents’ disgust & horror at the account of the Italian pilot who bombed a crowd of Ethiopians, during the Italia Irridenta campaign just before WW II, & reported that the explosion & slaughter resembled ‘the unfolding of a beautiful rose’. My, how times change.... Heroism?
 
 
-2 # phantomww 2012-07-14 09:52
Were your British born parents have disgust horror over the British RAF mass bombing raids of German cities? I guess all those British crewmen in the RAF bomber command were not heros. I think you might have a hard time convincing most Brits who were alive during WW2.
 
 
+11 # mjc 2012-07-12 09:13
Sometimes I believe I have hit a time warp and have fallen back into the l940s...a time when the last ditch Germans were launching V-2 rockets into England with no real knowledge of where they would come down but would kill whatever they touched. It isn't just the launching of V-2s or drones that sickens me.., it is gross and false praise for the launchers...saf e, miles away from the bombs/drones. Germany's last hope and our heroes. Could it be our's last ditch stand as well?
 
 
-5 # phantomww 2012-07-13 16:16
ah another lib comparing our troops to Nazi's.

Now that is what sickens me!
 
 
+9 # midwestgirl 2012-07-12 09:21
This is no more than indiscrimate murder at the behest of the banksters and 1% via the US military and government used as enforcers. It won't be long before it happens in the US as well against some college kids protesting a future of indentured servitude or seniors who have had the benefits they have paid into their whole life (social security, medicare, 401Ks, IRAs) stolen through fraudulent business practices by those same banksters whom the DOJ refuses to prosecute. After all, we are all just bug splat to them. I wonder how long it will be before some of those bozo "pilots" in the airforce realized they will be asked to kill their friends and grandmothers?
 
 
-10 # wrodwell 2012-07-12 11:31
Perhaps Drone pilots can be equated with snipers who shoot the bad guys from distances as far away as a mile to a mile and a half. Because of new technology in sniper rifles, kill shots can be made at ever greater distances. Generally, snipers at such long distances are not as exposed to danger as are their frontline colleagues using M16's, but does that mean they shouldn't qualify for a medal, especially if their actions lessen the death toll among American troops?
 
 
+7 # Interested Observer 2012-07-12 13:53
One must bear in mind that in recent times, especially since 9/11, that word "hero" has been devalued to something just above "shows up" at the expense of actual heroism. It is a sign of a kind of guilt based on having ugly things done without any risk of personal involvement. When there was a draft there was fierce protest. Now we hand out cheap accolades to those who volunteer to do our dirty work (we are on the verge of the outright employment of mercenaries), and acquiesce to unnecessary and unjustified violence in the field and in the interrogation rooms in consideration for being excused from direct participation. The yellow ribbon as blindfold and gag.
 
 
+6 # Salus Populi 2012-07-12 21:23
That's the bottom line, isn't it? Never mind how many civilians are killed; never mind if they are essentially targeted for happening to be living in an area that the Cowardly Lyin' CiC has decided is now a free fire zone: The important thing is that it lessens the death toll among the invading and occupying Wehrmacht -- sorry, Amehrmacht. As if the hellspawn, sociopathic monsters who rule give a rat's ass what happens to the economic draftees and peons whom they merrily dispatch to the far-distant fronts of empire. Give me a frackin' break.
 
 
-7 # phantomww 2012-07-13 16:19
another lib comparing US troops to Nazi's. Just typical.
 
 
+5 # reiverpacific 2012-07-12 21:45
Quoting wrodwell:
Perhaps Drone pilots can be equated with snipers who shoot the bad guys from distances as far away as a mile to a mile and a half. Because of new technology in sniper rifles, kill shots can be made at ever greater distances. Generally, snipers at such long distances are not as exposed to danger as are their frontline colleagues using M16's, but does that mean they shouldn't qualify for a medal, especially if their actions lessen the death toll among American troops?

I always thought that medals were awarded for conspicuous bravery in the face of an enemy, as in putting one's self in harms way (and mostly for a mate or fellow-combatan t). So how can you equate these joystick jockeys with that?
WW11 pilot's especially come to mind as they had to fly well within' the range of screens of flak, sustaining huge losses, not to mention "Sappers", or ground artillery who, after a relatively brief training, often fought at bayonet-point if they survived the original charge to that location.
I could shit myself just thinking about it !
 
 
+5 # Rita Walpole Ague 2012-07-12 12:11
POLICE STATE AIN'T GREAT !

Time to end the endless wars and the egregious torture.

Although so many of the 99% are wrongfully disenfranchised now, and election fraud abounds in Vote Death by Diebold, it still doesn't hurt to have an election year logo.

Based in large part on our new 'slaughter 'em via droning' m.o., my 'Time for Real McCoy Change' 2012 logo is:

NO 'RAW MONEY' and NO BOMB AH !
 
 
+7 # Interested Observer 2012-07-12 13:25
There is no potential for anything beyond skill in drone warfare. It is pathetic that our military needs to make these practitioners into more than what they are. An award for drone warriors has slightly less heroic quality than employee of the month at a chain store in a dangerous neighborhood. What we have here are performance awards of that kind that can never be compared with awards based on achievement in the face of actual physical risk. It is an insult to all to even put forward the idea.
 
 
+4 # panhead49 2012-07-12 15:34
Robt Eagle - this family is also very aware of what that Trident means - and you should STFU.
 
 
0 # barbaratodish 2012-07-12 18:44
DRONE PILOTS : AN OXYMORON! LOL It's similar to "shooting" a pilot (for a TV show, etc.) but ignoring the co-pilot, flight attendants and the passengers.
 
 
+6 # Howard T. Lewis III 2012-07-13 00:15
The tragedy comes from the fact that not only do these remote control killers not know their prey, they do not even know any justification for this killing in the first place. The invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan is based on lies. there is no justification based on truth or a higher moral ground even if all combat is hand-to-hand. Competent generals are in a quandary. What's next? Bush lied. Millions die. War need be made of sterner stuff for justice to be administered by an invading force. Afghanistan is the 'Graveyard of Empires'.
 
 
+5 # phrixus 2012-07-13 05:56
Complete, utter rubbish. If anything, some of these drone pilots should be prosecuted for war crimes i.e. murdering innocent non-combatants - men, women, children and babies. Bravery my ass. This makes me want to vomit. MSgt, USAF (ret).
 
 
-7 # phantomww 2012-07-13 16:24
So the guys flying B-17s and B-24s in WW2 should also be prosecuted for war crimes when they "murdered" innocent non-combatants? How about the entire A-bomb issue? Do we start with Truman and hang everyone down to the crew chief who prepared the plane?

Does the entire AF history of bombing from the air and straffing also make you want to vomit MSgt?
 
 
0 # reiverpacific 2012-07-13 20:25
Quoting phantomww:
So the guys flying B-17s and B-24s in WW2 should also be prosecuted for war crimes when they "murdered" innocent non-combatants? How about the entire A-bomb issue? Do we start with Truman and hang everyone down to the crew chief who prepared the plane?

Does the entire AF history of bombing from the air and straffing also make you want to vomit MSgt?

Another upside-down mega-crap on reason!
 
 
+1 # Salus Populi 2012-07-16 00:54
Unfortunately, Truman and the other dead presidents already cheated the hangman, but every living U.S. president and his top advisers have violated international law on a routine basis, and should certainly spend the rest of their lives in prison. Of course, it will never happen, because despite the summation of Chief Justice Robert Jackson at Nuremberg, the U.S., as a hyperpower and rogue state, would never allow its personnel to be hauled before an international war crimes tribunal. This is known as American Exceptionalism, and in the most graphic terms, as President Bush the Elected put it, "What we say goes." And the rest of humanity can go hang, or starve.
 
 
+6 # Don Thomann 2012-07-13 08:25
War criminals awarding medals to war criminals!
 

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