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Introduction: "Was there a foreign government behind the 9/11 attacks? A decade later, Americans still haven't been given the whole story, while a key 28-page section of Congress's Joint Inquiry report remains censored. Gathering years of leaks and leads, in an adaptation from their new book, Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan examine the connections between Saudi Arabia and the hijackers (15 of whom were Saudi), the Bush White House's decision to ignore or bury evidence, and the frustration of lead investigators - including 9/11-commission staffers, counterterrorism officials, and senators on both sides of the aisle."

From left: King Abdullah, Prince Naif bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud, Osama bin Laden, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki. (photo: Vanity Fair)
From left: King Abdullah, Prince Naif bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud, Osama bin Laden, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki. (photo: Vanity Fair)

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+36 # hjsteed 2011-07-19 10:53
Almost 10 years to get a more comprehensive report on the 911 investigation and the complete 911 Commission Report is still under wraps.

It's been almost 50 years since President Kennedy was assassinated and the complete Warren Commission Report is still under wraps.

Shouldn't the U.S. government demand more timely accountability on how these events keep our "democracy" in perpetual war?
 
 
+13 # in deo veritas 2011-07-19 12:34
This is what we should DEMAND from our corporate government. Their lies to us for decades make them acxcomplices to the events you mention. If it wasn't for oil, the entire Middle East would have been turned to a sea of glass long ago. Instead of sacrificing so many American lives in trying to futilly create peace there, just let them annilhate each other. Problem solved. There are no good guys or bad guys. They are all the same- the enemy.
 
 
+11 # NanFan 2011-07-20 03:29
Quoting hjsteed:
Shouldn't the U.S. government demand more timely accountability on how these events keep our "democracy" in perpetual war?


First off, GREAT pix, Vanity Fair!

Now, I'd like to point out something about what should be the truth of the U.S. democracy created SO long ago: WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT in reality, not these bone-head, greedy, corrupt corporate monsters who have perpetrated a genocide of our U.S. democracy, and thus, our nation. There is no U.S. democracy, merely capitalism!

So WE ALL have to get a spine and demand accountability and truths the only ways we can: 1) vote OUT the scum, and 2) take to the streets and demand to have our democracy back from the thieves who stole it.

I'm done with pussy-footing around our social network chatterboxes; WE, THE PEOPLE need to act...or...we will be in a darkness so bleak it will make what's going on in America today look simply like a rough ride on a Disney World roller coaster.

The Saudis, Bushes, and our corporate government have been in a matrimonial bed forever!

It's time for a divorce. And it's time for the truth. BIG TIME!

N.
 
 
+10 # NanFan 2011-07-20 03:42
One more thing. You all want answers? Go to Zeitgeist, The Movie at:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Watch it all, but especially the 2007 version, Parts II and III.

As many have said, follow the money...do not miss Part III.

N.
 
 
+6 # feloneouscat 2011-07-19 10:57
My response is "and what would the United States have done if they had?" Invasion of Saudi Arabia? As if that would ever happen.

But backing up a bit, what would be the motive for the Saudi's to do so? Trashing the U.S. economy does not, on the face of it, appear to be Cable - why sabotage a customer?

One would say "increase in oil prices". True, but then that starts putting fuel on the same footing as alternative energy supplies (which would undercut your future earnings).

I see lots of lines, questionable material (even the CIA says torture does not give you valuable information), and hand waving. But I don't see a clear reason why Saudi Arabia would have any reason to attack the United States (given that the Twin Towers were attacked during Clinton's term - a fact that was left out of the article - but basically did little damage).

This has the makings of a great thriller, but I just can't ascertain what the Saudi's would gain.
 
 
+26 # Glen 2011-07-19 11:49
The Saudi's would have provided the excuse for the U.S. to attack their chosen country. Much has been proffered for reasons for the attack and who was involved. No matter. The Bush people got what they needed.
 
 
+16 # Lulie 2011-07-19 13:08
I'd never thought of this. You could be right -- it makes sense. Bush was so cozy with the Saudis, and he desperately wanted to attack Iraq. They could've given him the excuse he needed to sell it to us. And Bushist policies ensure that we keep buying oil from the Saudis and don't develop alternatives. A win for both of them. Hmmm.
 
 
+18 # futhark 2011-07-19 15:12
Not only did Bush/Cheney get what they wanted out of the 9/11 attacks, so did Zionist Israel. And Larry Silverstein, owner of the World Trade Center, got rid of an investment that was losing him money, without having the expense of asbestos removal prior to demolition. AND he collected the insurance on the buildings! Follow the self-interest and the money! U.S. citizens and the world have been played for dupes in this tragedy that has cost tens to hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars, when you count the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Check out torontohearings .org
 
 
+9 # Activista 2011-07-19 19:20
www.tvnewslies.org etc.
The books and article are propaganda ... there are even MORE "facts" that the 911 was orchestrated by NEOCONS - but just ask question - would AIPAC allow the book to be published in the USA? They do not allow even Palestinian film ....
Show me ONE book published by Amazon with Israel and 911 conspiracy theory ...
 
 
+11 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2011-07-19 21:50
Quoting futhark:
Not only did Bush/Cheney get what they wanted out of the 9/11 attacks, so did Zionist Israel. And Larry Silverstein, owner of the World Trade Center, got rid of an investment that was losing him money, without having the expense of asbestos removal prior to demolition. AND he collected the insurance on the buildings! Follow the self-interest and the money! U.S. citizens and the world have been played for dupes in this tragedy that has cost tens to hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars, when you count the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Check out torontohearings.org


Mr. Silverstein collected $7 billion dollars from the insurance companies. His down payment on the WTC Buildings was $20 million dollars, when he initially purchased them. Hmmmm....that's a $680 MILLION PROFIT, IN LESS THAN A YEAR! FOLLOW THE MONEY!!
 
 
+7 # Activista 2011-07-20 22:29
replied before - RSN censors erased it - wonder why? Sponsors did NOT like it?
$7 billion - $20 million IS
$6980 million profit -
NOT $680 MILLION -
you should join Obama administration - in budget negotiation.
 
 
+3 # feloneouscat 2011-07-20 09:09
No, you are looQuoting Glen:
The Saudi's would have provided the excuse for the U.S. to attack their chosen country. Much has been proffered for reasons for the attack and who was involved. No matter. The Bush people got what they needed.


Back up. A country does not provide cover unless it clearly expects something - "quid pro quo". Bush didn't need an excuse. Republicans controlled Congress and he could have gone into Iraq without 9/11.

What does Saudi Arabia receive out of of it? A buddy/buddy relationship with Bush? They had that. Why should they care who the U.S. attacks (as long as it wasn't them).

This is about Saudi Arabia, not about Bush.
 
 
+21 # tb 2011-07-19 11:23
I can't believe it took 10 years to ask this question. We attacked Iran and Afghanistan on flimsy manufactured evidence while allowing the Carlyle Group's friends the Saudis to go about their business with little or no scrutiny. I have no idea if the Saudi government was behind 9/11 but it is interesting how much the Bush family benefitted from the alliance.
 
 
+8 # brenda 2011-07-19 13:30
Quoting tb:
I can't believe it took 10 years to ask this question. We attacked Iran and Afghanistan on flimsy manufactured evidence while allowing the Carlyle Group's friends the Saudis to go about their business with little or no scrutiny. I have no idea if the Saudi government was behind 9/11 but it is interesting how much the Bush family benefitted from the alliance.


That point was made just after 9/11. Why weren't the press looking back into our own country's screw-ups. The reason was simple. To question the USA about what they failed to do, was tainted by the so called threat that it was un-American to even consider asking our leaders or the CIA about what they failed to do to to prevent this terrorist genocide. Also, many people seem to forget that the Pentagon was hit too, and the the last jet which was forced to crash in PA. had either the Capital building or the White House in their sights.

And while I'm at it, did you know that the person who headed up the planned cockpit storming against the terrorists of the plane that crashed, "OK, let's roll", was gay. They [the government] white washed that fact too.
 
 
+5 # moshemoshe 2011-07-19 14:22
The Sauds weren't behind 9/11 and neither was Bush. It was the neocons and Zionists in our defense department with Israel and Mossad help. This was admit on Fox News in late 2001. The evidence linking Israel is 'classified' because Michael Chertoff, and Israeli, classified it.

Bush had no idea, that's why they sent him to read school books. Saudi Arabia is not a nuclear power. They are a puppet dictatorship and were are their #1 customer. They also have a stranglehold on Muslim holy sites.

We could've nuked them out of power, made a 'democracy', took the oil, and made the holy sites more freely accessible for Muslims. Israel would've been all over a Saudi involvment. Israelis hate Arabs.

Makes you wonder why all the 9/11 investigators were Jewish and Israelis coming to the conclusion it was Arab hijackers.

If the hijackers with Pakistani and all the people in the DoD investigating it were Hindu Indian, it would be a conflict of interest. Wake up!
 
 
-8 # forparity 2011-07-19 18:15
Oh my.

That put me to sleep.
 
 
+4 # soularddave 2011-07-20 01:24
Quoting moshemoshe:
Saudi Arabia is not a nuclear power.


Saudi Arabia is building 16 nuclear reactors. I think they understand "peak oil". Where will they be getting essential fuel for them?
 
 
+22 # Capn Canard 2011-07-19 11:33
I am not surprised by any of this tripe. The official story is still about 19 men with box cutters, and at least 15 of these men were from Saudi Arabia? So it was obvious that we should attack non-Arabs in Afghanistan. Good call for oilman George W. Bush and his crew.

Now what could the Saudis gain? Saudis? Nothing much. Much of the gain was the Multinational Oil Corporations getting control of the flow of oil from sources like Afghanistan. Once they control the flow, they can control the price by withholding oil. OPEC cartel withholds as much oil as they can. In my opinion this isn't so much about getting the oil so much so as to effectively block out other producers like Chinese and Russians from putting more oil on the market. Russia has all the oil it needs and the oligarchs would just try to leverage that oil against American producers to play with the "big boys", Gulf, Shell, Exxon, BP, Chevron, et al. All in an effort to increase profit margins and that is all it ever is! These boys do not play well together, murder, killing, and war are all just the cost of doing business. We get screwed by the illusion of a "Free Markets". Free Markets are a delusional fantasy.
 
 
+8 # Activista 2011-07-19 14:55
Vanityfair article is AIPAC propaganda.

Does not Arab League supports vote for declaring state of PALESTINE in 1967 borders?
Who blackmailed Greece to stop Activists?

Just remember what "friend" propaganda in the Middle East drove US to destroy the Iraq.
 
 
+22 # shadow7 2011-07-19 11:43
Saudi Arabia does NOTHING without the approval and knowledge of the US. The Saudi family are puppets of the US government, and do not attack the hand that feeds them by extracting and refining the oil they sit on. That said, remember that the Bush administration was run by PNAC and desperately needed a 'new Pearl Harbor' to gain acceptance for wars against Iraq and Afghanistan. Please Google '9/11 FACTS'- not theories, facts, and see that millions of sites come up, - and that http://tvnewslies,org is the first. We spent years researching the FACTS that have been ignored totally by the MSM. Time for a change, now that there is going to be an international inquiry in September of this year. Wake up, America.
 
 
+12 # Activista 2011-07-19 15:01
"Osama bin Laden: "I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the ***s, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." www.tvnewslies.org
just quoting - do NOT agree 100%.. Activista
 
 
+34 # stardegiel 2011-07-19 11:45
Bush used 911 to start the war he wanted in the Middle East and then Cheyney's Haliburton moved permanently into the oil fields of Iraq. How come gas is so high, since America took over the oil fields? Shouldn't it be cheaper? This is not something that isn't being discussed across US dinner tables throughout America. Americans are not as stupid as they are purported to be. America should demand a new independent investigation into 911.
 
 
+17 # brenda 2011-07-19 13:19
Quoting stardegiel:
Bush used 911 to start the war he wanted in the Middle East and then Cheyney's Haliburton moved permanently into the oil fields of Iraq. How come gas is so high, since America took over the oil fields? Shouldn't it be cheaper? This is not something that isn't being discussed across US dinner tables throughout America. Americans are not as stupid as they are purported to be. America should demand a new independent investigation into 911.


I would like to see this happen. GWB was every bit of a schnook that he is. I woldn't be surprised that there was a Cheny/Bush connection in this.
 
 
+36 # stardegiel 2011-07-19 11:46
More and more Americans who used to say it in private are now saying it more openly. Many say George Bush acted very suspiciously. If you recall, at first he did not want any investigation at all into 911. Why? Any president would immediately want to look into this. Bush fought it at first. Also, he seemed to be waiting for news while reading to the children. There was no reaction when he was told. He continued to read and so that says there was something very amiss by his reaction and behavior. First of all, no plane has ever been allowed into Washington airspace, let alone one hits NYC and then an hour later supposedly hits the Pentagon, the source of American military might. In order for that to have happened, orders had to be given to stand down. Also, why is it on 911 reporters were saying they heard explosions and indeed all the buildings went down like a demolition. Even the one that wasn't even near the others and did not get hit by a plane(s), went down. When in the history of a plane hitting a building did a building disintegrate turning to powder. There would have been brick and mortar. Why was the Bin Laden family secreted out of the country when no other planes were allowed to fly? This definitely speaks of the USA govt or those powers to be, playing a role in 911.
 
 
+6 # Capn Canard 2011-07-20 06:25
Yes, it is a mess of lies that have been sold as truth despite the facts. Oh well, the wealthy do not play well together and they can, and often will burn many others with them. Lol, the whole Bin Laden family leaving the country(I believe it was Sept 13th) was a glaring act of arrogance by the powers that be: OIL WEALTH and all the other criminal conspirators, whomever they may be. Yeah, they got what they wanted and we got screwed. Same shit, different day.
 
 
+12 # William Bjornson 2011-07-19 12:10
I don't suppose that all of the major players in the government before, at the time, and after 9/11 were all dual passport israeli zionists (Z-ts) makes any differeence. It takes only a little Google research to discover who was where when. The basic legal priciple "cui bono", Who benefits?, doesn't matter either given that Iran was the admitted Target of All operations in both Iraq and Afghaniston (on both sides of Iran) and the Z-t's only major competition in the area. What a coincidence. And now, as the pressure for a new 9/11 investigation increases, here in RSN, the false flags, ambiguations, distractions, and false accusations start to appear. feloneouscat above called it. Saudi Arabia had NOTHING to gain from 9/11, the Z-ts everything.
 
 
-1 # Capn Canard 2011-07-20 06:45
I like this idea of Zionist involvement it is confirmed by other "distractions" like those who witnessed middle eastern looking people(Apparent ly they were Israelis) celebrating as the towers fell, apparently these men were cheering from their vantage point in NJ as they watched the towers collapse. It is a neat little package especially if you have perpetrators all of the same nation other than the USA. And Israel is the sacred cow of American politics. With that kind of cover, you could get away with murder.
 
 
0 # Cassandra2011 2011-07-26 15:44
Quoting Capn Canard:
I like this idea of Zionist involvement it is confirmed by other "distractions" like those who witnessed middle eastern looking people (Apparently they were Israelis) celebrating as the towers fell, apparently these men were cheering from their vantage point in NJ as they watched the towers collapse. It is a neat little package especially if you have perpetrators all of the same nation other than the USA. And Israel is the sacred cow of American politics. With that kind of cover, you could get away with murder.

"Liking" this idea of Zionist involvement reminds me of the "Elders of Zion" claptrap that justified all kinds of atrocities and murders etc. The "middle easterners" (SHOWN on tv many times during the 9/11 horror) were Palestinian women ululating and their kids dancing around, not some poor orthodox schlep (in 19th c European clothes) in NJ.
The gratuitous bigotry evident on both sides of the political spectrum would be amazing, were it not so repulsive.
 
 
0 # TomSpeigler 2014-03-13 07:22
but this still may have merit. did you know a current Saudi Prince owns about 5% of News Corp and is friends with Ruport Murdoch?

also, the recent instances of the Saudi family have been good friends with Bush, and Bush is good friends with Israel. And BOTH Saudi Arabia and Israeli rulers were against Sadaam Hussein (Saudi Arabia paid for desert storm).

Secondly, both Saudi Arabia rulers and Israel might be looking to take out the (Shia revolution) there seems to be evidence of the Saudis hatching a deal against rival Iran (still need more info).

So, when reports come out that a wife of Prince Bandar (aka Bandar Bush), gave money and help to the hijackers, should we be surprised?

Tough Saudi princes in the past were staunchly anti-Israel and tried to force America to back off, the family has many members, some believers and some who have been thoroughly inbed with Bush and others.
 
 
+11 # brenda 2011-07-19 12:10
One thing I did hear in post 9/11, 2001, was that just before 9/11, there was a big selloff of Airline stocks by Saudi stockholders. This meant that the Saudi's were warned of an impending terrorist attack involving airlines. That selloff was uncovered right after the 9/11 attack by Wall Street sources.
I think the Saudi's were culpable by association to the financial support of Osama's terror network. We do a lot of business in oil with the Saudi's, so American oil interests have clouded the judgment of the Bush government then. Also look at the development of Pakistan's involvement in hiding Osama within their country. What I see here is a growing sewer of back room government dealings and cover-ups with the Saudi and Pakistan nations. But that's world politics, which looks deeply in the crystal ball of the future to possibly stear of wrong moves that could be made in the present by our government. But then our government never did seem to care about or learn from the political flubs it made in Central & South America.
 
 
+5 # Creative Blue 2011-07-19 15:55
While it is true that there was a suspicious amount of shorting of AA stock just prior to 9/11, those stocks have actually never been redeemed - an amount estimated to be a little more than $2 million.

Word on the street is that the buyers were - ironically enough - actually from one of the financial companies housed in the WTC. A bad karma result, if you will, of illegal insider trading. Still, it's an interesting anecdote pointing to the possibility that rumors of an impeding attack were actually widely known among the financial community in Wall Street, and may be traceable to Silverstein employees.
 
 
0 # georgeA 2011-07-19 19:05
Please get real--the saudia USi sidekicks had NOTHING 2Do with the Sept 11 2001 attacks.How forgetful UR--8 of the 19 have been reported ALIVE=Yes Alive! Are you saying that saudias control and own all the lying 4Israel Media?
wake-up and please do explain where you got the info of the quick sell-off?
If it's true--then explain the million PUT options on the doomed Airlines--why it is not revealed who did it and if they collected the millions.wakie wakie and stop dreaming--Arabs did it. Shocking that fools give thumbs up :^/
 
 
+20 # Tee 2011-07-19 12:30
Israel and the neocons in the Bush government were in the best position to pull 911 and Israel had the most to gain in the form of American aid to fight terrorism, sympathy for Israel in Israel's supposed fight against, and America attacking Israel's enemy(Iraq, Syria, ect,.) in the region.

This should not be a surprise that Israel would attack America. Israel attacked a US navy vessel, the Coal, when Johnson was president. Israel spies on us. Jonathan Pollard is serving a life sentence for giving thousands of pages of documents while he worked for the US government.

Now I hear Israel is about to attack Iran. This will draw America into another war in the area.

Everyone in the Bush administration acts very suspiciously. The 911 commission hides more that it reveals.
 
 
+2 # Capn Canard 2011-07-20 06:52
Tee, that Naval ship was the USS Liberty. Nice huh? And the Israelis should have been able to EASILY identify it as friendly but my theory is that Israel was looking for support against Egypt in their push for more control of Palestine and Gaza.
Here is the Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
 
 
+17 # Michael Rivero 2011-07-19 12:35
I am surprised that ReaderSupported News would peddle Vanity Fair's crap.

First off, the only people arrested near the WTC on 9-11 were Israelis, three of whom were Mossad agents. These were the so-called "Dancing Israelis".

Second, Carl Cameron's four-part story on the Israeli spy network being arrested at the time of 9-11 included a statement from a US Government official that evidence exists linking the above Israelis with 9-11, but that the US Government has classified it.

Third, why would Saudi Arabia attack the US? They have trillions of dollars invested here, which would be lost in the event of a confrontation, and more to the point, if the Saudis wanted to destroy the US, all they have to do is ask for their investment money back, and they could crash the entire US financial system, and it would be perfectly legal to do so.

Of course, Israel, which takes vast sums of money out of the US, resents the influence that the Saudis enjoy because of the money they put into the US, and would have a strong motive (as well as an established track record of such dirty tricks) to carry out 9-11 to blame on the Saudis for both political and financial gain.
 
 
0 # tonywicher 2011-07-19 19:21
And Isral did all this with the blissful ignorance of the entire US government, defense establishment and clandestine services, including Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the CIA, DIA, NSA, FBI, TSA, NORAD etc. Or have all these agencies been entirely subverted by those sneaky "Israelis" (let's not say Jews)? Is that what you're driving at?
 
 
+1 # Capn Canard 2011-07-20 07:00
All those agencies are mostly passive until they get the orders from above. That is a universal problem of top down control. NSA, CIA, FBI, NORAD, the Joint Chiefs, et al all are directly linked to the top. If the top does nothing then the agencies do nothing. If someone speaks up then they become a target themselves... hence we never hear any of it. This is how power behaves, it always has, if you were ever oppressed then this would be obvious.
 
 
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And they're ALL going to pay.
 
 
+3 # brenda 2011-07-19 13:14
Quoting Ian:
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And they're ALL going to pay.


Oh yeah? Well, google this pal.
 
 
+1 # tonywicher 2011-07-19 17:59
good one, Brenda!
 
 
+2 # billy bob 2011-07-19 13:44
Spammer,

Who's "they" and what are they going to pay?
 
 
+19 # DurangoKid 2011-07-19 12:54
Answer one question: why did Bldg 7. fall down? Until we know the answer to that, all else is conjecture or worse, misdirection. There is too much circumstancial evidence that the "attacks" were planned well in advance. Who had the means, motive, and opportunity? Bldg 7's. implosion could very well answer that question or at least eliminate many possible suspects.

Why not ask a few questions closer to home? Who destroyed a mountain of evidence? Who dragged their feet when an ivestigation was called for? Who instigated a panic over anthrax shortly after the event? Who assembled a crew of insiders to "investigate" the crime? Why did the investigation ignore lines of inquiry based on physical evidence? And last but not least, qui bono?

Again, I ask why did Bldg. 7 implode?
 
 
-9 # for parity 2011-07-19 19:37
It did not implode. It collapsed following the structural collapse of floors below. Structural damage, then fire, then gravity is one heck of a thing.
 
 
+7 # Glen 2011-07-20 06:04
Structural damage done by what, for parity? No building of size has ever collapsed due to fire, especially as perfectly and the world trade center and building 7.
 
 
-3 # for parity 2011-07-20 10:42
It had damage:

"The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom—approxim ately 10 stories—about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner."

. . and fire. It took 7 hours for the building to fall. They were not fighting -- they had "pulled out" for fear that the building would collapse - the fires spread thru the building and burned all day long.

It's rather easy to see in the video's how the building was structurally failing.


Pop mechanics did a good piece: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center#wtc7
 
 
+7 # Capn Canard 2011-07-20 07:11
the collapse fell at free fall speed. There were no floors below resisting the collapse.(BTW, how did the floors below collapse?? PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THE WHOLE Bldg fell at FREE FALL SPEED to do so the floor below have to fall BEFORE THE FLOORS ABOVE) To do that would require taking out those floors and to collapse those floors would require more than mere fire, it would require very sophisticated explosive demolition. This suggests that it had to be planned. The 9-11 Commission doesn't address Bldg 7 at all, so you have no proof of anything whatsoever other than your denial and ignorance. It is easier to sell the big lie than a little white lie. Your idea is very weak, I would expected a far slower, drawn out, sluffing off of the structure instead of COMPLETE COLLAPSE. That is unheard of and unprecedented! i.e. the official story is a fantasy.
 
 
-5 # for parity 2011-07-20 10:46
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/9P/911-tower-collapse.jpg

How did the lower floors get damaged? Difficult to look at the image and not figure that one out.
 
 
-4 # for parity 2011-07-20 18:05
Your insults are just that, insulting, BTW.

According to my watch, it took around 13 seconds for the building to collapse.

And why would I waste more time, trying to explain the obvious to you.

Why did they wait so many hours, after all of the serious structural damage from the collapse of the tower, after the fires had burned out of control for so many hours, to "control demolition" it? .. when most anyone could see, and for those nearby, hear - with their ears - that the building was in danger?
 
 
+2 # reader11722 2011-07-19 12:58
9/11 and Israel, here:
http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000190526
 
 
+3 # ruthee 2011-07-19 13:54
will this hatemongering help? nobody knows what GWB did about very much. His staff was not accoutable either. Obama will not touch it, it seems. If they were in the background, they will do it again. Surely someone in our MONSTER fighting complex; all our intelligence can take care of this matter! I just dont like this hate filled stuff stirring up our people more and more.
 
 
+9 # Tee 2011-07-19 13:58
Larry Silverstein, the owner of building 7 insured the building in case of a terrorist attack. He collected handsomely. Why is he being questioned. Did he pay off certain individuals for his protection?

Silverstein said that he had to "pull" building 7 because it was so damaged. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100
 
 
0 # Creative Blue 2011-07-19 15:59
There's a rumor circulating on Wall Street that the plot, or "a plot", was accelerating to fulfillment, and Silverstein was hedging his bets.

See my reply to #Brenda above.
 
 
+1 # Glen 2011-07-20 06:06
Yes, and "pulling" a building is demolition wording for destroying and dropping a building. If so, why was it "pulled" so quickly, rather than making sure the fire was out and it could be done safely?
 
 
+1 # for parity 2011-07-20 10:49
They pulled out the emergency folks, because they were afraid the building might collapse.

And on the side bar - look at the circumstances - how many firefighters had just been killed - access to the building - water. It is difficult to imagine how difficult it would have been to properly fight the fires in that heavily damaged building, and put more firefighters lives at risk.
 
 
+4 # Glen 2011-07-20 12:26
I saw the man's remarks. He said "we had to pull it" referring to the building.

There were numerous comments made immediately after these events that were very telling, and most of these folks were never heard from again. Were you watching the first press type conference that afternoon. There were angry folks telling the truth, just as people do when caught off guard as after many emergencies. That's how cops get admissions of guilt.
 
 
-3 # for parity 2011-07-20 15:13
There were a lot of folks in a state of shock & confusion.

What's telling, is that people shape their lives by listening to a few outtakes, and misrepresentati ons of what was going on.

The "pulled" statement's been explained by those involved.

In fact, one of the video's I was watching last night showing build 7, had the emergency chatter going on, and they kept asking, " did they pull everyone out of the building?"

Such a bunch of bull.

"I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. Chief Nigro"

"We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn’t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn’t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn’t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o’clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then." Chief Hayden

Ref: http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

Glen. Pls do your life a favor, and spend an hour or two here.
 
 
-4 # for parity 2011-07-20 15:19
If you can't bring yourself to actually be curious at all of the very obvious evidence above - then just pay attention to this video. You can turn the sound off and just watch the pictures - the collapse explains itself. Notably, since the building came down in sections - not in a single controlled demolition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8&feature=player_embedded#at=198
 
 
+6 # Glen 2011-07-20 16:32
For parity, I have spent years researching this stuff and will never be convinced it was a random event pulled off by amateurs and I will never believe what has been presented by the U.S. government and those that support the Bush version of the event.

Initially I believed the first reports but a number of observations caught my attention and I decided to investigate. One cannot claim to be against something without knowledge of the evidence.

The event has been researched by hundreds of credible people with no axe to grind. That research is on what I base my views.
 
 
+3 # Glen 2011-07-20 16:33
Also, for parity, I will bet a lot that you have not put nearly the amount of time into investigating this as I have, nor would you investigate opposing views to your own.
 
 
0 # for parity 2011-07-20 18:21
I've spent much more time looking at the skeptic sites, than at the evidence. It simply takes so much longer to try to figure out what they are trying to pull off - and how they can just leave out so much - not debate it - just leave it out.

But thanks for your civil opinion.
 
 
+15 # pierre grimes 2011-07-19 14:04
The issue is simple. The powers that be needed another Pearl Harbor to go to war and there is nothing so profitable for conquest and gold-oil than war.
 
 
+2 # futhark 2011-07-21 16:18
One of the oldest tricks in mass psychology is to strike an unexpected blow at a group of people, then, while they are stunned, offer up a semi-plausible explanation and demonize anyone who takes exception to it.

In his address to the United Nations on 2011 November 21, President George W. Bush warned us. "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty. To inflame ethnic hatred is to advance the cause of terror."

Which was all very true, except that his version of a conspiracy theory was the most outrageous of all and the one that has done more to advance the cause of terror than any other. At the time, there were very few, if any, people speaking out against the extreme presumptions and inconsistencies of the orthodox theory promulgated by Cheney/Bush. In retrospect, his statement appears to have been a premature defensive move against what he must have foreseen as a coming avalanche of critiques of the flaws in his version.
 
 
+9 # moshemoshe 2011-07-19 14:13
Think about this rationally. There is only ONE 'foreign government' on the planet that the USA would classify evidence for - Israel. Fox News reported (and revoked under pressure from AIPAC, the Israeli lobby) the following government agent quote:

"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."

THERE IS EVIDENCE LINKING ISRAEL, NOT SAUDI ARABIA to 9/11!. If it were the Saudis, Israel would be all over this trying to blame Arabs. Because they hate Arabs. Also, why would they attack their #1 customer who keeps the Saud dictatorship in power? We have nukes. They do not. We could nuke the Sauds out of power, partition the nation and instill 'democracy', 'free' Medina and Mecca, and control the oil. Considering none of this happened, it wasn't the Saudis.

It was Israel. Michael Chertoff, Israel-style security buff, Israeli citizen, and all around bad guy classified the info. Then he co-wrote the 4th amendment violating Patriot Act. Then he became head of DHS and today is responsible for the cancer-causing nude scanners.

Several Israelis and Jews investigated 9/11 and blamed Arabs, their natural enemy. A conflict of interest. WAKE UP!!
 
 
+9 # tonywicher 2011-07-19 17:50
Israel and Saudi Arabia were both involved. So were a lot of others. No one country is completely responsible, but the primary responsibility is that of our own government and defense establishment, and these same people are still running things and getting us into war after war. WW III now looms as a strong possibility if Israel attacks Iran in September as now seems a strong possibility.
 
 
+1 # Capn Canard 2011-07-20 07:33
interesting... hmmm, I see it as a possible involvement of all who benefited, either directly or indirectly. The benefit need not be monetary or political. Certainly our government is ultimately responsible. WWIII well, I would not be surprised given the level of pure malevolence of power.
 
 
+17 # James Marcus 2011-07-19 14:22
My Take:
ALL buildings fell from demolition (not airplane impact or jetfuel fire), which takes days/weeks to prepare!
Perpetrators were Muslim 'Patsies', who knew little, and were entirely incapable of such complex logistics (sorry!)
Planners: Mossad and Renegade CIA (whose 'outfit also executed the Kennedy Brothers). Provided logistics, explosives and manpower, demolition experts and 'Patsies' to take the blame.
Designers; BUSH, CHENEY, and 'THE Gang'
 
 
-2 # Pickwicky 2011-07-23 12:00
Marcus--purely delusional. If those idiots Bush, Cheney, and the CIA had been involved in the planning of 9/11, the WTC would have merely wheezed and farted slightly.
 
 
-2 # Activista 2011-07-19 14:37
stop publishing this CONSPIRACY crap:
"Dietrich Snell was quoted as saying in an affidavit that there was now “convincing evidence the government of Iran provided material support to al-Qaeda in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attack.” That evidence, however, has yet to surface."
Al-Qaeda was used from Iraq to terrorize Iran -
do NOT have enough wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - Libya is NOT working - so attack another country in the Middle East (Syria, Iran) on behalf of Israel?
 
 
+3 # Capn Canard 2011-07-20 07:49
Your post shows great support for the powers that be. Nice! The acts of government are not, if ever, sanitized. The actors(leaders) are very fallible and open to influence from their base, their benefactors, their perceived enemies, their perceived allies, as well as their naked emotions and psychological status. Sorry, but to keep it all in a nice little package where conspiracy never happens is the height of arrogance and will blind us to any possibility of finding truth. War is a blatant political act motivated by economics and rationalized by lies, deception, deceit, and faith. Be very careful of what you hold most dearly and question it with an extreme scrutiny.
 
 
+26 # motamanx 2011-07-19 14:49
Want to know what REALLY happened on 9/11? Waterboard Cheney and find out. Don't worry, he approves of torture, so I guess he wouldn't mind.
 
 
+5 # sunflower333 2011-07-19 15:34
OBL and Adel were in the USA 1979 recruited by Zbigniew Brzezinski to destabilize a secular Afghan government before the Soviets arrived to protect their friends. $6bn were contributed each from USA and SA via ISI for American inspired jihad. Only nonbelievers tell lies.
 
 
0 # Kootenay Coyote 2011-07-19 17:02
'in deo veritas' comments:
There are no good guys or bad guys. They are all the same- the enemy.

Look in the mirror when you say that.
 
 
+11 # 126 2011-07-19 17:14
from a wide angle the camera zooms in on the characters:
Prince Bandar, Bush and Cheney are all discussing the middle east situation in the oval office just after Bush takes power, January 2001.
Prince Bandar, “ My good friends and allies, Saddam Husein is selling his oil for Euros, I believe quite a threat to your dollar and he's a militarily threat to us also. By the way, we are running out of oil. Hussein has plenty of it.
Cheney - “we’ve been working on a plan that will get the American public behind us in Taking over Iraq. The oil there needs little refining and he’s only tapped a small part of his reserves.” If he thinks he can threaten the American dollar as the reserve currency he’s seen nothing of our ability to create shock and aw”. Besides all my friends at the Carlyle Group and Hallibuton could use the money.
George says, “Bandy my boy that oil is ours are you in”?
Prince Bandar, “ We can help.”
Dick Cheney - "We’ve already picked the fall guy, he worked for us in Afghanistan during the Regan administration. Bandy, you help support our plan and we’ll do the rest to insure it’s success. This will make Peal Harbor look like a love song, it'll make the American public give up their fist born for the cause.”
From the dark comedy, “Reserve the Currency, Get the Goodies and Full Speed Ahead”
just kidding of course.
 
 
+7 # tonywicher 2011-07-19 17:41
Prince Turki al Faisal was the head of Saudi intelligence in the late 70's, and he was the guy who recruited Osama bin Laden at the request of the CIA, National Security Adisor Zbigniew Brzezinski and deputy CIA director Robert Gates to head contingent of Saudi fighters sent to fight the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, a contingent that later became known as "Al Qaeda". CIA has been running Al Qaeda ever since. They were set up as the patsies for 9/11, and they are sent in wherever the US needs to create instability, overthrow client regimes, or further terrify Americans into giving up the last remnants of their constiutional rights. Prince Bandar, so close to the Bush family that he was affectionately known as Bandar Bush, met Dubya for cigars on the White House verandah the day after 9/11, presumably to celebrate and make arrangements for the Saudi royals and the bin Ladens to leave the country. The bombs that brought down the World Trade center were likely put in place by Mossad operatives. This was an crime committed by an international crime cartel, not by some particular country.
 
 
+10 # Toole 2011-07-19 18:00
9/11, the biggest con job since Saul of Tarsus came out of his state deep sleep to preach his version of religion.The numbers given by official sources do not add up.

High rises like the WTC do not just collapse within a few hours after being hit by a plane. The biggest clue is that of WTC 7, which was deliberately brought down demolition style, as admitted by Larry Silverstein. But how is such a missive structure brought down on a spot decision? This is another con job as it takes days of preparation to install explosives at strategic locations at all levels of a building to have a clean demolition.

First of all, How could the 'hijackers' with limited flying skill zero in on the WTC 1 and 2? Why did a jetliner make only a relatively small hole on the wall of the Pentagon? What happened to the wings and the tail? Did they fold inside the 'airplane' just before impact?

As far as Saudis are concerned, one news item proclaimed that "the State Department and the CIA are at odds over the latter issuing American visas to young Saudi men, bypassing the American embassy in Riyadh". Why would the CIA do such a thing if it was not for covert operations?
 
 
-1 # forparity 2011-07-19 19:06
High rises like the WTC do not just collapse within a few hours after being hit by a plane.

They don't. Goodness - let me count the other poorly designed super high rises that have been hit at high speed by a huge fully fueled commercial jet?

WTC7 - No it wasn't. The first raged for hours until it collapsed. No he didn't.

There's a better local affiliate news camera that was trained on this side of the building for hours.. but this is pretty good. http://www.archive.org/details/abc200109111323-1404

Check it out at around 22:30 -- you can see smoke billowing out from almost every single floor from end to end. And at 37:00, as the camera zooms in, as is very obvious in the Tower 1 and 2 - the buckling has begun (plenty of weight above for a collapse).

And - http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/WTC%20Part%20IIC%20-%20WTC%207%20Collapse%20Final.pdf Don't skip this - read it. It's obvious what occured.

They trained a good - bit. Easy to steer - difficult to land - except for Skully.

The hole was the size of the fuselage. That darn thing about all of the witness across the street on the freeway who identified the American Airlines Jet, is a bit of a problem for you - not to mention the identities of the passengers found in the wreckage. DNA's an amazing tool.
 
 
0 # Capn Canard 2011-07-20 08:18
Your post only supports a flimsy fantasy that has no solidity whatsoever. You use the collapse of WTC 1, 2, and 7 as evidence to in support the collapse of WTC 1, 2, and 7. There is no supporting evidence of building collapsing in history other than 9-11. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE. You have a FANTASY, it is a wet dream that you have mistaken for love.
 
 
-1 # for parity 2011-07-20 10:53
Are you OK in there?

There are piles and piles of evidence. Whether or not you choose to read them and consider them is your choice.

Or, you can go on and have your wet dreams, like this wild one:

You stated: "There is no supporting evidence of building collapsing in history other than 9-11"

Wow - no buildings in history have ever collapsed. Who'd thunk it?
 
 
+6 # Glen 2011-07-20 12:52
The specs on the trade center are public domain. They were built to withstand a direct hit by a 707. Who in their right mind would build a structure that tall and not consider possible airplane impacts.

I thing what was referred to here is that no structure has collapsed due to fire of any sort. Did you see the metal columns and the clean cuts on them, rather than twisting and falling off to the side? Nobody paying attention believes that THREE buildings could fall so perfectly, straight down. Also, you might want to investigate what was stored in building 7 and the basement of the trade center, not to mention the pentagon and the fellow who was killed at that time. How about CIA documents in 7 and investigation documents on the loss of millions of dollars through the pentagon and the investigator.
 
 
-1 # for parity 2011-07-20 15:43
Well, gee let me think - wow, that took 1.1125 seconds.

Sooo you've got all these secret CIA documents, and these people who are invisible enough to spend months opening up walls, cutting steel beams, and planting explosives and running miles of wires thru thousands of offices, without anyone seeing them or the evidence of that, think that the best way to destroy rooms of documents is to fell a building on top of them?

What? They're just going to lay there forever, and no body is going to find them in the pile of debris?

What? Why didn't they just secretly shred them?

Who in their right mind can't look at the structure of the WTC's and WTC-7 and just watch what is going on? It's frigging obvious why they all fell.

And I think that we all know by now, that your first statement is just beyond weird.
 
 
0 # Glen 2011-07-20 16:44
My first statement was that the specs on the trade center is public, just as so many major buildings and properties. Heck, I could find out what names are on the deed to your property if I found out your name and city. It is naive to think any of this is secret info.

Everything in all three buildings was incinerated or crushed. There was never "a pile of debris" other than crushed cement and dust. And yes, the preparations for demolishing those buildings could easily be carried off. If you would do the research, you will find that numerous people have been interviewed concerning what they heard and saw and experienced prior to the event, including those in the trade center who survived the demolition. Of course, the U.S. government NEVER interviewed any of those folks. Nor did they analyze the debris or chemicals found in same. That debris was hauled off as fast as they could get it out of there.
 
 
+2 # for parity 2011-07-20 18:36
Hmm .. several living human beings walked out of one of the collapsed WTC towers.

They spent months cutting the pieces down to size so that they could analyze materials, and so that they'd be small enough to be loaded onto trucks. . . or, as you put it, "everything in all three buildings was incinerated or crushed." . . "other than dust .. " What?

"Some 185101 tons of structural steel have been hauled away from Ground Zero" - "nothing but dust?" And yes, many use that as a basis for conspiracy - my God, they're destroying the evidence - hey, it was already dust, you say?

Yes, I've posted, on this page some of the quotes from a couple of the fire chiefs, about WTC 7.

And of course, I - like millions others, probably billions, have carefully watched the buildings fall. And looked at the pictures, and videos of the very easy to see and understand structural failures.

Do you realize that you are simply shooting from the hip, making up whatever you want to say, as you go along?
 
 
+3 # Glen 2011-07-21 05:39
Nope, sorry, shooting from the hip is what folks do who read only slanted information and then follow along.

If you want to go back and look at the first photos of the trade center, with Bush standing next to the debris, you will notice beams that have been cut, not snapped, and this was long before any effort to get the stuff out of there. If analysis was actually carried out, then surely it would have been part of a report that thermite was found. Or that stuff in the basement burned for months. Wonder what stuff that was. Surely. Right?

As far as everything being dust, I meant the contents of the buildings, obviously.

Several human beings escaped the buildings, for parity, before the buildings collapsed, or was that not in the reports you read.
 
 
-1 # for parity 2011-07-21 09:34
No, actually I believe that it was two rescue workers and one woman who they were trying to escort out of the building, survived in the lower part of the stairwell, and were rescued without any injuries of note - after the tower collapsed.

Only slanted information - which of course isn't actually slanted.

Speaking of slanted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySHgiUxnLC0&feature=player_embedded

Bonus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1wQ2BJsgx0&feature=related

All of those slanted folks . . .

LOL
 
 
-1 # for parity 2011-07-21 09:43
Bonus feature:

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/PentWitnesses.xls
 
 
+2 # Glen 2011-07-22 13:49
Youtube is not the same as in depth research of materials, interviews, and all the hours and hours of research carried out by folks who care enough, but have to axe to grind with the U.S. government. Most of us just want the truth. Oh and how about the numerous conferences and written reports? ya gotta do better than youtube.
 
 
+5 # tonywicher 2011-07-19 18:43
The CIA had an office in Saudi Arabia that issued visas to all those fake hijackers so they could come over here, register at flight schools and otherwise function as patsies to lay a trail of fake evidence.
 
 
+4 # georgeA 2011-07-19 19:23
Regarding Bush at the Day Care reading about A Goat to kiddies. This was staged, ever heard of any USA president talking time to lecture little kids. Sad part, hardly anyone caught this setup to appear INNOCENT and out of the 911 loop masterminds. I noticed some posters referring to Demo planning of WTC 1/2/7 as taking days or weeks. Sorry to say, but it took years and Jr. Bush only give the go ahead. Hello Bill Goat Clinton :^/
 
 
+5 # geraldom 2011-07-19 19:23
How many times must it be mentioned that Bin Laden & al-Qaeda had absolutely nothing to do with the events of 9/11? Neither did any outside nation such as Saudi Arabia.

Before anyone calls me a nut job, I challenge you to watch 2 films; "911 Ripple Effect," and "911 Press for Truth." Check the high-resolution photographs taken of the Pentagon on that fateful day on the Web. The wall & the roof of the Pentagon didn't collapse for at least 30 mins. The only damage to the bldg for the first 30 mins was a 16ft dia hole at ground level. The photos & the video in the above referenced films show no debris from a 100 ton 757 jetliner in front of the bldg or on the lawn, not even any burn marks.

Our govt has refused to show us any video from the numerous cameras surrounding the Pentagon of a 757 airliner impacting the bldg.

WTC 7 came down as if by controlled demolition & it wasn't even hit by a plane. There is an object, a pod, attached to the bottom right fuselage of the 2nd plane that hit the twin towers, something that shouldn't exist on a commercial jetliner. And the 2nd plane that came in & hit the WTC bldg didn't have the colors of a commercial jetliner. It had a dull gray color to it.

RSN with its limited amount of characters doesn't allow me to list all of the evidence that debunks the official story.
 
 
+1 # for parity 2011-07-20 11:03
Here's a high resolution photograph:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/UW/911-flight77-debris.jpg

Most of the intact pieces broke off as one wing of the plane hit the ground - most of the rest of the aluminum body melted from the high speed impact. Some of the structure and the landing gear continued into the building - pictures everywhere, not of the tiny bits and pieces of our dear friends who got pulverized, but at least their DNA got analyzed and identified.

The fact that conspiracy folks leave out so much information, like the silly hundreds of witnesses driving down the freeway watching the AA commercial jet fly into the building, is simply a testament to conspirators.

It was the landing gear that punched the hole - the gear was still inside the belly of the jet.

And i have no interest in listing all of the evidence, that debunks the official conspiracy quacks.
 
 
+3 # geraldom 2011-07-20 15:32
That small piece that showing in the photograph is not part of a 757 jetliner. That is no evidence at all. Tell me where are the two massive 8ft diameter titanium engines that make up a 757 jetliner. If a 757 jetliner hit the Pentagon, and the only damage to the building for the first 30 minutes before the wall and the roof collapsed, was a 16ft diameter hole at ground level, then where are its engines. They're not inside the building, and titanium engines don't simply disappear into thin, not ever in the history of airplane crashes.

You claim that the vast majority of the this alleged plane, wings, engines, and tail section and the fuselage all melted away into nothing because of the high speed impact. There is absolute no burn marks or indication of melted metal marking the ground in front of the hole that was initially created. It's all green.

There is no way in hell that a whole 100 ton 757 jetliner would have melted away into nothingness, or even into small itty bitty pieces. What hit the Pentagon was no 757 jetliner. It was a missile, perhaps a drone. One of the worst airplane crashes that took place in the history of airplane crashes was the Canary island crash of two 747s, and there were huge chunks of debris everywhere, very large chunks.

9/11 was purely an inside job by the Bush administration and that's the truth.
 
 
-3 # for parity 2011-07-20 16:46
And to think, that Gore had simply argued for sending in ground troops into Iraq, long before - without needing a conspiracy.

And to think how smart Bush must have been to pull this all off and to coordinate it with Bin Laden - amazing.

Without any evidence I lean to believe the folks who watched the damn jet fly over their head into the Pentagon. It was bright blue day.

This should be where the right engine hit the facade.
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/docs/blue6.jpg

Pulling back - you can see the location is right about where the right engine would have been. Jet came in at an angle, right wing was up, left was down - just as witness and evidence on the ground seems to provide for.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/docs/fig_5_12.jpg

Here's a pretty good site - but, you have to read it, too - not just the conspiracy stuff.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html
 
 
+2 # geraldom 2011-07-20 20:47
There's not one photo or video showing a 757 flying into the Pentagon, not one! It's amazing how you can come up with such detail as you're giving for someone who wasn't there & without any actual pictures of the plane itself. It's amazing.

The only damage to the Pentagon for 30 mins before the wall & the roof collapsed was the 16ft dia hole. The 2 8ft dia solid titanium engines are no where to be seen on the front lawn, nowhere, & they wouldn't have disintegrated into thin air as you would like us to believe!

What also amazes me is the alleged crash of one of the hijacked planes in Pennsylvania, the one in which the passengers to overpower these so-called hijackers. Just like the Pentagon, there's no debris on the ground from a 757 jetliner, just a hole in the ground with lots of itty bity pieces. No engines, no fuselage, no wings, & no tail section whatsoever.

In all seriousness, are you one of those people that are being paid by our wonderful govt to join chat rooms & deceive & confuse that participate, as Popular Mechanics must have been paid when they came up with wild & crazy explanations about the impossible but unique serendipitous coincidences & events that took place on Sept 11th, 2001, like for the first in history that, not only one, but three huge steel structured bldgs collapsed as a result of fire.
 
 
-2 # for parity 2011-07-21 11:34
Well, at least there were plenty of witness who identified either an American Airlines commercial jet, or that it was a Boeing 757. One was a pilot, one was an air traffic controller, etc. Some witnesses saw the passengers in the windows in the back of the plane. Some saw a couple of bodies still strapped into their seats, and first responders noted the engine parts outside the building - landing gear was found inside.

No one saw a missile.

And no - they found plenty of pieces - big pieces - and body parts. Who tells you this crap.
 
 
+2 # geraldom 2011-07-21 19:05
Once again, absolutely no photographs or videos of the grounds in front of the Pentagon taken that day show large pieces from a 757 jetliner, none whatsoever. And, as far as far as bodies go, there are none shown in these same photographs or videos, none whatsoever. The only few bodies that are shown in some of these photos are are of the people that were in the building before the building was attacked. You're talking hot air.

As far as witnesses go, there were witnesses who claimed to have seen a missile, not a plane. And eye witnesses in many cases can not be relied upon, and I have no idea who these alleged so-called witnesses were that you claim gave testimony.

The physical and visual evidence of the front lawn of the Pentagon and the initial damage to the building for the first 30 minutes completely contradict the official BS story put out by the Bush administration. If the government wants us to believe that a 757 hit the Pentagon then show us all the videos from all those cameras that were running that day, but they won't. They even absconded with the cameras from private convenience stores that fronted the Pentagon in order to hide the truth.

In all seriousness, how much are you paid by the powers to be in our government to hang out in this chat room to confuse and deceive its readers?
 
 
-2 # Pickwicky 2011-07-22 15:34
Mencher--for parity is right. The nose of the plane melted and pieces of the engine and landing gear were found. My son-in-law is an aeronautical engineer who studied the event extensively for Boeing, and he concurs with all government findings.
 
 
-4 # for parity 2011-07-22 18:23
First responders reported seeing the engine parts, etc., in the minutes following the impact. So many witness saw so much more:

"Members of Congress who toured the site Thursday said rescue officials reported that much of the fuselage of the hijacked airplane remains intact in the ruins."

Ever wonder why Congress didn't call for an investigation into these crazy and dangerous conspiracy theories?

Because they have no doubt.

Ref: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/sept01/2001-09-14-pentagon-usat.htm
 
 
0 # geraldom 2011-07-22 19:53
Quoting Pickwicky:
Mencher--for parity is right. The nose of the plane melted and pieces of the engine and landing gear were found. My son-in-law is an aeronautical engineer who studied the event extensively for Boeing, and he concurs with all government findings.


He's not right and neither are you. So now we seem to have two people paid by our government to get on these chatrooms and hide the truth by obfuscating the facts. There are no photos or videos taken that day showing bodies or body part, not in front of the Pentagon or in that phony crash in Pennsylvania.

You claim that the plane melted into thin air which, like skyscrapers collapsing at free-fall speed vertically right into their footprints as a result of fire, this has never happened in the history of airplane crashes.

I kind of feel sorry for people like you who know the truth, but who continue to try to confuse and deceive people in believing otherwise.

Over two million people are now dead because of 9/11, innocent people, men, women, and children, all because of a false-flag event perpetrated by the Bush administration to justify multiple illegal wars of aggression for world empire, and then there are people like you who try to protect these criminals.

It just amazes me.
 
 
-2 # Pickwicky 2011-07-23 11:43
What's amazing is the longing for solutions that play oneupmanship with the truth. I receive no pay "by our government to get on these chatrooms and hide the truth." Are you paid by someone to confound the truth? Do you approve of conspiracy cottage industries like the one that put out the "Ripple" film. Go talk to physicists, engineers, industrial metallurgists-- and find out something about the world you live in, but don't understand.

FYI--I believe that Bush should face war criminal charges for some of his actions during his administration. I am greatly disgusted by the Iraq invasion--and greatly saddened that so many were killed and mangled by my country, in my name, and on my nickel.
 
 
+1 # geraldom 2011-07-23 17:01
Your response to mine is totally & absolutely meaningless & says absolutely nothing. Between all of the high res photos taken that day in front of the Pentagon & the videos shown in Ripple Effect, there is no evidence of a 757 hitting the Pentagon. If the plane melted into thin air, which has never ever happened in the history of plane crashes, there are no burn marks on the front lawn in front of the Pentagon. There are no bodies on the ground & the wings & the tail section & the two 8ft dia solid titanium engines that are attached to a 100 ton 757 jetliner are nowhere to be found, not in any of the photos, & none of them should have melted or disintegrated into thin air. They should be outside the building in front of the Pentagon, not inside, because, for the first 30 minutes, the only hole in the building was a 16ft diameter hole at ground level. The wall and roof did not collapse for that long.

And the few frames that our wonderful government decided to share with the American public showed nothing of a 757 hitting the building. Unless there were a lot of frames missing between the very first and the very last, and there weren't, then what hit the building was not a 757 jetliner.

Without any physical evidence in the form of photos and/or videos, you have absolutely no evidence to verify the official story.
 
 
+3 # geraldom 2011-07-20 15:59
You show only one picture which shows nothing. I'm giving this chat room the URL to look at all of the high res pictures taken shortly after the attacks on both the Pentagon and the WTC:

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/index.html

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever in any of these pictures that indicate a 757 jetliner was the culprit that impacted the Pentagon. You conveniently left out the other things I pointed out in my original comment, and you conveniently left out the fact that our government refuses to show any pictures or film taken that fateful morning from the numerous cameras that were attached to the roof of the building and the cameras on the ground, and why, very shortly after whatever impacted the Pentagon, within only a few minutes of the attack, did the FBI all of a sudden show up at various convenience stores that surround the Pentagon and abscond with all of their security cameras.

There is absolutely no physical evidence whatsoever, I mean the kind that you can see and study, not the hearsay by our government and people who appear to be on these chat rooms who are specifically here to represent the govt's official view, to confuse and deceive its readers, just like Popular Mechanics did shortly after people began to realize that the evidence didn't match the official govt story.
 
 
-2 # Pickwicky 2011-07-22 15:28
For Parity--I've been reading your replies to conspiracy nuts, and you're right, of course. The video "Ripple Effect" made such an impact on people, I fear the truth may never be accepted. Yet, I hope you keep up the good work.
 
 
+6 # rwinkel 2011-07-19 20:21
Ludicrous. Who was dancing on top of the van across the river filming and giving each other high-fives? Who was pulled over and arrested driving two different vans with explosives or explosive residues. Who was in charge of security at the WTC and allowed the demolition team to plant the explosives? What country do the neocons align themselves with? Whose wars are we fighting in the middle east? Which country attacked the USS liberty with total impunity? Which "ally" has been caught infiltrating, spying on and manipulating this country more than any other?

Israelis, israelis, israelis, israel, israel, israel.

Oops! I must be an anti-semite.
 
 
-3 # tonywicher 2011-07-20 07:49
You probably are anti-Semitic. All this may be true, but Israel is still a client of Anglo-American imperialism, to which it owes its existence and its power, and whatever Israel did was under Anglo-American orders and by their permission. Israel is fighting the wars of the Anglo-Americans in the Middle East, not the other way around.
 
 
+5 # Activista 2011-07-20 14:53
AIPAC is controlling USA - USraeli foreign policy - not other way around.
Without Israel "help" US would not attack Iraq.
Name one instance - in last 40 years when USA did anything Israel did NOT approve of.
 
 
+3 # rwinkel 2011-07-20 21:52
Sigh. Of course, I must be an antisemite to find fault with the holy state of israel. Guess what, israel is not a religion. Neither is zionism. I don't know why I should have to say that I know a number of jewish people, I like them and I think they're as clueless about what's going on in the world as most other americans.

At the top levels of course ALL western governments work together, against their own people. Yet it was israeli agents who seemed to occupy center stage on 9/11, and it seems israel can do no wrong, no matter how many international laws and human rights they violate. They also practice a form of organized child abuse (male genital mutilation) like the USA. That probably explains a lot about both countries. See my web site in my profile.
 
 
0 # Tee 2011-07-19 22:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVKGRB3cygg

More evidence Israel did 911
 
 
0 # Tee 2011-07-19 23:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVKGRB3cygg
 
 
+4 # Capn Canard 2011-07-20 08:30
Back between 2003-07 when all this was evolving the information was leaking out, my own feeling was that Israel was the guilty party simply because they had the most to gain. Whether this is true or not is certainly open to speculation. I say investigate and let the chips fall where they may.
 
 
+4 # Activista 2011-07-20 13:04
It is painful to read the conspiracy theories re 911 above.
And the article/book about Saudis - how convenient when Palestinians seek UN vote (and Arabs support them).
It is reflection on poor educational US system? NO wonder 80% plus Americans were behind Bush to attack Iraq. If NYT say so ...
Two-thirds of those surveyed (66%) say they believe "SADDAM Hussein HELPED the terrorists in the September 11 attacks."
USraeli media do great BRAINWASH on US public than and now.
 
 
+2 # Capn Canard 2011-07-23 07:27
Contradictions. ..
Quoting Activista:
AIPAC is controlling USA - USraeli foreign policy - not other way around.
Without Israel "help" US would not attack Iraq.
Name one instance - in last 40 years when USA did anything Israel did NOT approve of.


Sure, I am with you but then:

[quote name="Activista "]It is painful to read the conspiracy theories re 911 above.

I know it is painful. But the truth can be very painful. It lays bare all that we seek to deny. I am reminded of the book "Incognito" by neuroscientist Dave Eagleman. Our conscious awareness is a very small part of our being. The less aware you are the less open you are to disturbing information. Question the veracity of all information and your own deeply held belief. Denial is a very powerful force that rapidly facilitates our potential demise.
 
 
+3 # wfalco 2011-07-20 19:52
The Saudis have been cozy with the U.S. and its proxy (C.I.A.) since the late 40'S.

The agreement was set. Cheap oil for our protection. If radical Islam was preferred by their leadership to keep the masses in line, then so be it.

Many years later and the coziness is still in effect. Now we can even count on them to manufacture a cataclysmic event (see P.N.A.C.) that will rally the masses in a patriotic frenzy to support any bogeyman that the Bush regime claims is the enemy. Realpolitic at its crazed best.
 
 
+1 # Activista 2011-07-20 22:55
www.justiceblind.com/911official.html
9/11: Official Story of How They Got Here and Why They Did It ...
"bin Laden chose earliest operatives for plan (Saudi nationals and Yemenis) ... Saudis could get into US easier due to “Saudi rules” (where Saudi students are allowed to enter the US with only cursory or no background checks. Some flight schools issue paperwork that allows students to obtain visas at US embassies or consulates)."
 
 
+3 # fredboy 2011-07-21 16:35
As we approach the 10th anniversary of the attack, we need to initiate a full-scale criminal investigation of the attach, its planning, and all the "circumstances" that allowed it--yes allowed it--to happen.

By leaving most of the nation and world in the dark, we have now become an unsettled, distrustful lot, knowing that politicians will do most anything for gain. Thus we need to know if this was the case with the attacks and their planning.
 
 
+1 # Dickinseattle 2011-07-21 20:07
Of course anyone who has cared enough to look into the many questions of 9/11 knows the 9/11 Commission was a Phillip Zelikow (Dir.) cover up. David Ray Griffins recent book has an entire Chapter (10) detailing all of this. There of course were no 19 Arab hijackers. We got all that from the Mossad. There also were no cell phone or Airfone (previously removed) calls that went thru according to all the best evidence including FBI. All aircraft were fly by wire ready. Wake up! Enough with the Dick Cheney lies.
 
 
+1 # AlwaysAskWHY 2011-07-22 02:29
WHAT B.S.!! "He said, she said..." what MOST OF US WANT TO KNOW IS:

WHO SET THE THERMITE CHARGES THAT BLEW 2 SKYSCRAPERS INTO DUST, along with 3,000 human beings, furniture, and computers?! NOT TO MENTION WTC7!

HOW DID A 757 (with a wingspan the length of a football field) TUCK IN ITS WINGS AND POKE ITSELF INTO A 16' WIDE HOLE IN THE PENTAGON, WITHOUT DAMAGING A SINGLE WINDOW ON THE ADJACENT OUTSIDE WALLS, AND WITHOUT LEAVING AN ENGINE OR ONE PIECE OF THE FUSILAGE OR WINGS ON THE GROUND?!

AND how could they pull out bodies of Pentagon employees, but NO ONE FROM THE PLANES?

Oh! AND how did a jerk who couldn't fly a Cessna make a 180 degree turn in a 757 (going how fast?) and fly it into the Pentagon. (Really????) And why did he make a 180 degree turn anyway? Instead of just flying it directly into the Pentagon??? (HINT: Rumsfeld's office was on that side)

HOW DID AN AIRPLANE (in Pennsylvania) DROP OUT OF THE SKY AND BURY ITSELF IN A SELF-MADE CRATER -- OF DIRT - and COVER ITSELF UP?! (hint: the wreckage of this 'crash' was STREWN AROUND IN A 5 MILE RADIUS) Even Lockerbee's explosion in the sky left a fusilage on the ground in Scotland!
 
 
0 # Capn Canard 2011-07-23 07:10
Asking questions is the only method that ground-lings like us have. Nice post AlwaysAskWhy. Well done.
 
 
+2 # AlwaysAskWHY 2011-07-22 02:43
WHERE WERE THE NORAD RESPONSE TEAMS/JETS? HINT: on a training mission over the Mid-West - training on HOW TO RESPOND TO PLANES FLYING INTO BUILDINGS (you know, what the Bush administration claims it could NEVER HAVE ANTICIPATED). AND this training mission was being overseen by none other than RICHARD CHENEY (never before in the history of NORAD had a civilian EVER been involved in such an activity).

NEVER, NEVER look where they are pointing! Always look where they don't want you to look: This time at the White House AND George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleeza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Pearle, Gen. Richard Meyers, et al!

Another lasting glance at the PNAC'ers who pushed an attack on Iraq would be in order, too.

3,000 human beings slaughtered just to have an excuse to attack Afghanistan (TRANS-AFGHAN PIPELINE), and IRAQ.

NOW 1 MILLION IRAQIS AND AFGHANIS HAVE BEEN SLAUGHTERED... FOR PROFIT.
 
 
0 # for parity 2011-07-22 13:21
For reference -- took 5 seconds of search time..

http://www.911myths.com/html/cheney_in_charge_of_norad.html
 
 
0 # Capn Canard 2011-07-23 07:16
AlwaysAskWhy, absolutely. You are a "conspiracy theorist" and that is a badge of courage, intelligence, awareness and above all Honor. Wear it proudly because the cowardly will deny the truth to protect their fantasy of the American myth by eagerly sacrificing our children and their own.
 
 
0 # taketimetorelax 2011-07-23 19:38
Capn Canard and Always Ask..have you seen dr. Judy Woods' theory?? check out dr.judywood.com !!
 
 
-2 # for parity 2011-07-23 12:07
"NOW 1 MILLION IRAQIS AND AFGHANIS HAVE BEEN SLAUGHTERED"

Really -- Well following the Iraq invasion of Iraq during the Carter term, estimates are that 1 million to 1 1.5 million died.

Large numbers in Afghanistan died during the Imperialist Soviet invasion which also began during the Carter Years.

As tragic as it is, in Iraq and in Afghanistan (I completely support the effort to return Afghanistan back to it's own) - 1 million have not died from US/Allied causes during this 2002 period forward.
 
 
0 # geraldom 2011-07-23 18:58
Quoting for parity:
"NOW 1 MILLION IRAQIS AND AFGHANIS HAVE BEEN SLAUGHTERED"

Really -- Well following the Iraq invasion of Iraq during the Carter term, estimates are that 1 million to 1 1.5 million died.

Large numbers in Afghanistan died during the Imperialist Soviet invasion which also began during the Carter Years.

As tragic as it is, in Iraq and in Afghanistan (I completely support the effort to return Afghanistan back to it's own) - 1 million have not died from US/Allied causes during this 2002 period forward.


It's easy for people like you to get on these chatrooms & rant on & on & make flat out statements that they can't back up. In 2008, John Hopkins Institute, a non-partisan, non-biased, institution did a scientific survey to determine how many people had died in Iraq alone as a result of the illegal invasion & occupation of Iraq by the United States.

In 2008, they estimated the number of dead, & I'm talking about innocent people, men, women, & children, to be about 1400 people, & that doesn't include the number of people that we made homeless. That number, at the time, was more than 4 million people.

So, when you make statements in this chatroom, back them up with evidence that can be verified. Stop insulting people & stop making innuendos towards people you don't agree with.
 
 
0 # for parity 2011-07-24 10:45
Con't - thank you, mod.

Now - understanding that in the news media, "blood leads." We all know that following the surge, that deaths very dramatically fell. Someone did a graph showing that as deaths fell, the number of journalists there fell even faster. But we know that each and every major act (and most were by the radical terrorists bombing each other - not us) - made the news - big time.

Sep't 16, 2006 - CBS runs a spot, " Deadliest attack of Iraq War. - In the single worst act of terrorism since the fall of Saddam Hussein, a car full of explosives blasted police and army recruits outside a hospital, killing at least 115 . "

There were a couple of such attacks, in which I believe closer to 200 people died.

So - - how do we get from that to 491 civilians dying each and every day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year?

Towards the end of the Clinton years, Sec. Albright said that 500,000 children had died in Iraq, as a result of the sanctions;addin g that "it was worth the cost."

Some 2 mil people had already died at Saddam's hand, since he became Pres in the '70's, invaded Iran (w/Carter's nod-that we would not interfere) & his numerous genocides of his own people.

The US may have done it wrong-but the world was too willing to let this madman continue with his reign of terror.
 
 
-2 # Pickwicky 2011-07-22 15:41
I'm fairly disgusted to see so many on this board believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories. What happened to that famous liberal intelligence?

That idiotic look on Bush's face when he was told of the WTC events while he was reading the little Goat book, was just his normal response to anything requiring his attention. Have you all forgotten?
 
 
+1 # Capn Canard 2011-07-23 06:27
I am profoundly disappointed to see so many on this board who fail to accept RESPONSIBILITY to examine the possibility of conspiracy in any act that challenges their deeply held set of myth, their comforting and secure BELIEFS rather than explore the possibility of nefarious actions when there is no real way to eliminate such conspiratorial possibilities. That is distressing to anyone who is willing to explore all possibilities. I've come to learn that our consciousness is only a mere fraction of what our brain/mind performs. We will subconsciously block those items that we find to difficult and upsetting to our world view and psychological stability. This is very common and most of us do this to protect ourselves from that distressing psychological shock. It is a natural reaction to shocking events. Your reaction in failing to accept others views tells us far more about you than you would ever want to reveal. There is change coming, and it may be very painful so open up and be ready to take these blows to your ego. You may now consider yourself exposed to the truth, what you do with it is your own choice. More to follow.
 
 
+2 # Capn Canard 2011-07-23 07:02
Conspiracy. Conspiracy is very common. It is what happens everyday in the business world. A definition of which is "the act of conspiring." and "an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons" and a third meaning "a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose..."
 
 
+2 # Capn Canard 2011-07-23 07:08
In effect by their very nature business meetings are de facto conspiratorial. If there wasn't people conspiring in a meeting, then we would all be invited to their meetings. But those calling the meeting deny access to competitors because they need to keep that information secret and the intentions could very well be "evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious", and at the very least such meeting are not going to be for the benefit of the competitors. Public Relations is there to point any blame in a different direction, to deflect attention away from that man behind the curtain while pointing at the those most reviled by the general population, i.e. those that "common sense" suggests are guilty! Hence in 1930's Germany all blamed was heaped on Jews, or 1870's America all blame thrown on freed African slaves, or after 9-11 all blame directed at Arabs from Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Public Relations is always propaganda. That's all it has ever been. The perpetrators got exactly what they wanted. Read the old PNAC wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century) There is much more but PNAC is no longer in operation and I presume that that money has shifted to other conservative orgs.

We've all been played.
 
 
-2 # Pickwicky 2011-07-23 12:12
Capn--need I tell you that all your research into the lexical definition of 'conspiracy' in no way proves or disproves any conspiracy theory.
 
 
+2 # Capn Canard 2011-07-23 18:55
I don't need to prove anything, acts of conspiracy it is the status quo. Your position is akin to disproving gravity. Good luck with that! And Conspiracy, like gravity, is not something that needs your approval or proof. It is an act that is meant to increase a hold on to power or to accrue more power. It proves nothing other than to firmly suggest that organizations will attempt whatever possible to get power. This isn't a pissing contest, it is just the way things are, when you realize that then perhaps we can talk.
 
 
+1 # maria noemi 2011-08-09 03:40
Greed is the root of all of these.a lot of people wants more than enough,and worst is that these people is the head of the countries.
 

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