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Hedges writes: "Hurricane Sandy, if you are poor, is the Katrina of the North. It has exposed the nation's fragile, dilapidated and shoddy infrastructure."

Truthdig columnist Chris Hedges. (photo: Truthdig)
Truthdig columnist Chris Hedges. (photo: Truthdig)

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-17 # moafu@yahoo.com 2012-12-03 08:52
Beautiful Everyday Americans helping out each other. The priest was right - they were having church with their relief effort. Fabulous !

So what happened to Jamie Foxx's "lord and savior B. Hussein Obama" ??
 
 
-9 # edge 2012-12-03 11:06
Quoting moafu@yahoo.com:


So what happened to Jamie Foxx's "lord and savior B. Hussein Obama" ??


I suppose that turnabout is fair play, so the clear answer is that Obama hates white people!

Hey Ray Nagen, Staten Island will once again be a "White Chocolate" island!

Where are all those racist lefties now that the President is black??
 
 
+6 # reiverpacific 2012-12-03 19:18
Quoting edge:
Quoting moafu@yahoo.com:


So what happened to Jamie Foxx's "lord and savior B. Hussein Obama" ??


I suppose that turnabout is fair play, so the clear answer is that Obama hates white people!

Hey Ray Nagen, Staten Island will once again be a "White Chocolate" island!

Where are all those racist lefties now that the President is black??

In your fevered (racism obsessed) imagination!
And what the fuck has that got to do with this article prithee?
BTW, he is multi-cultural, not black. How much more degree of nit-picky skin-tone d'you want?
Sheesh!
 
 
0 # edge 2012-12-04 08:19
Do you mean Bi-Racial?

Culture is not race...Sheesh!

But, go back to Katrina and read what the racists, like Ray Nagen were saying about Bush at the time, it WAS all about race, and yes those folks are bigots, but you don't hear it now, do you!!
 
 
+1 # reiverpacific 2012-12-04 08:47
Quoting edge:
Do you mean Bi-Racial?

Culture is not race...Sheesh!

But, go back to Katrina and read what the racists, like Ray Nagen were saying about Bush at the time, it WAS all about race, and yes those folks are bigots, but you don't hear it now, do you!!

Quoting edge:
Do you mean Bi-Racial?

Culture is not race...Sheesh!

But, go back to Katrina and read what the racists, like Ray Nagen were saying about Bush at the time, it WAS all about race, and yes those folks are bigots, but you don't hear it now, do you!!

Quoting edge:
Do you mean Bi-Racial?

Culture is not race...Sheesh!

But, go back to Katrina and read what the racists, like Ray Nagen were saying about Bush at the time, it WAS all about race, and yes those folks are bigots, but you don't hear it now, do you!!

Sheesh indeed; such nit-picking again and again.
Cultural and racial are pretty well intertwined and speaks of a life with a unique and global perspective.
And Dimwits' record on Katrina howls, not just speaks for itself; see my post below. I find you irrelevant, obtuse and blinkered with no point to make.
I'm done with you as a no-hoper.
By-ee.
 
 
+11 # genierae 2012-12-03 09:11
We the people must take charge of our own lives, help ourselves and those around us. We must be flexible in the way we react to disaster here in this new day of catastrophic climate change. It is my view that the coastal areas should be evacuated, all buildings torn down and allowed to become wild again. The government would have to buy people's property and help them to relocate inland. Then the beaches would be open to recreation but if severe weather threatened people could easily be removed to a safe place. We can no longer afford to keep doing the same things over again. Rebuilding will only be a temporary solution, the next bad hurricane could take it all away again. We have to be realistic, we must move out of areas that are in harm's way. Also people need to be educated as to how to protect themselves, what to keep in store, etc. We must stop depending on someone to rescue us we must rescue ourselves. Organize and prepare, minimize our losses; we can do this.
 
 
+19 # reiverpacific 2012-12-03 09:32
I don't know the New York or N.E. seaboard area very well, only having been there in transit or for meetings in the past but I do know New Orleans and environs quite well.
I particularly remember the utter lack of of interest in Katrina displayed by the clueless Dimwits faux-administra tion, it's pathetically inept and clueless non-response under the direction of an Arabian Horse expert and it's arrogant refusal to consider the offer of physician services from the despised and sanctioned nation of Cuba, which endures several hurricane conditions annually and is deals with them with a prepared and well-trained PUBLIC services and full community involvement, with no hooplah or comedies of errors.
The main news in the owner-media emerging from Sandy seemed to be the unprecedented cooperation of Obama and Christie (fair enough but it was election season), rather than the plight of the poor and the crappy state of the infrastructure and it's no doubt beleaguered, overworked and under funded operators.
Again, it points to one of my consistent rants that huge swathes of people from engineering, design and construction professionals to manual laborers in the private sector AND public employees, could be employed for the foreseeable future in dragging this country's infrastructure into the 21st century.
But there seems to be an infinite pool of funds available for a destructive, invasive and lumbering military and prisons for dissenters,
 
 
-3 # edge 2012-12-04 10:08
Being a sovereign State, Louisiana was in charge of Katrina!!!!!

For instance The Red Cross was NOT ALLOWED into New Orleans because the DEMOCRATS that were in charge wanted everyone to leave, not because of Bush or his administration so get your facts straight!

http://web.archive.org/web/20060106043446/http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html

Disaster FAQs

Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?

Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.
The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.
The Red Cross has been meeting the needs of thousands of New Orleans residents in some 90 shelters throughout the state of Louisiana and elsewhere since before landfall. All told, the Red Cross is today operating 149 shelters for almost 93,000 residents.

ETC...
 
 
+2 # reiverpacific 2012-12-04 17:53
Quoting edge:
Being a sovereign State, Louisiana was in charge of Katrina!!!!!
For instance The Red Cross was NOT ALLOWED into New Orleans because the DEMOCRATS that were in charge wanted everyone to leave, not because of Bush or his administration so get your facts straight!
Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?
Acess (sic) to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.
The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. ------blah, blah, blah--------- elsewhere since before landfall. All told, the Red Cross is today operating 149 shelters for almost 93,000 residents. ETC...


O' blinkered one.
There was a Democratic Governor (Kathleen Blanco), not "Democrats in charge".
Your verbatim reference to the complaints about the Red Cross is from a hysterical anti-government rant called "Cafe Hyek"; and thereby invalid.
So N.O. was stuck with a denuded (By Dimwits) FEMA under the supremely-unqua lified "Ken-boy" and the then Blackwater thugs and bullies patrolling the streets just looking for trouble.
Loved that did ya?
It's always fascinating to see where you lot get your data.
Get YOUR facts right!
I'm done with you and your half-baked belligerence.
 
 
0 # edge 2012-12-05 03:51
"Your verbatim reference to the complaints about the Red Cross is from a hysterical anti-government rant called "Cafe Hyek"; and thereby invalid."

YOU ARE LYING!!!

You are so blinded by your bigotry that you either did not follow the link to the Red Cross FAQ, OR and most likely you figure others won't follow it and you are LYING to deceive them...

That is from the Red Cross itself!

Using the WayBack machine here is the actual Red Cross FAQ

http://web.archive.org/web/20060106043446/http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html

Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?
 
 
+8 # fredboy 2012-12-03 09:55
The tragedy is no one gets it. Notice how many thousand plan to rebuild in their former house and store locations--dire ctly in the path of the next storm.

Yes, we feel for all the storm victims. Yet we also hope that one day people will make decisions based on foresight. The Jersey shore was a dilapidated sitting duck, and remains so.

Follow a lesson from the South: When the water's sure to rise, seek higher ground.
 
 
+6 # America 2012-12-03 12:41
I live in new Jersey and you are way out of line to call our shore dilapidated. For this latitude in a cold country we may have had the finest beach facilitlies in the world.

A perfect storm designed for lower tropical areas came and wrecked a lot of it. But I invite you back next summer to see the spirit of us New JErseyians in rebuilding a lot of it.

Yes there is a lot of suffering but adjustsments will be made for the future
 
 
+3 # RLF 2012-12-04 04:59
Go New Jersey!
 
 
+19 # dbass1215 2012-12-03 10:57
Re: "... the nation's fragile, dilapidated and shoddy infrastructure..."

There is a relationship between the building of much of our nation's infrastructure and our income tax code. For many decades, our upper economic class tolerated high marginal tax rates, with top rates of 63% or higher on individual incomes for nearly 50 years pre-Reagan. And we built the infrastructure.

If our economic elites are unwilling to tax themselves adequately, our infrastructure will continue to crumble and we'll end up like Greece. And yes, they will decide - the corporations, the "small business," Wall Street and the lobbyists still have a stranglehold on the money that drives politics, even if they aren't a monolithic block.

If Warren Buffett and like-minded folks prevail, we'll be able to repair, rebuild or upgrade the infrastructure.

If Grover Norquist and like-minded folks prevail, better move to areas less prone to hurricanes, snowstorms, tornadoes, earthquakes and other large scale disasters.
 
 
+5 # Firefox11 2012-12-03 17:25
You have clearly stated the choice that is before us. Having lived outside of the US for ten years, I returned when Reagan was elected. In Europe he was considered incompetent and he certainly proved that by changing what was working in this country: i.e. rich people paying higher rates because someone has to fund the country. The math is simple; the concept is logical; so why is there such a holdup on the execution: people get accustomed to having more, and don't want to give it up.
 
 
+4 # RLF 2012-12-04 05:02
It is not just the rich that need to pay their taxes...it is corporations that need to stop being given buttloads of our tax dollars to 'create jobs'. The retention subsidies have to stop...it makes small business, who create all of the jobs, pay for big business. We also have to stop the fortune 500 from stealing...but Obama doesn't seem to think there is anything wrong with the rich stealing...that 's why he has Holder doing nothing.
 
 
+3 # reiverpacific 2012-12-03 19:20
Quoting dbass1215:
Re: "... the nation's fragile, dilapidated and shoddy infrastructure..."

There is a relationship between the building of much of our nation's infrastructure and our income tax code. For many decades, our upper economic class tolerated high marginal tax rates, with top rates of 63% or higher on individual incomes for nearly 50 years pre-Reagan. And we built the infrastructure.

If our economic elites are unwilling to tax themselves adequately, our infrastructure will continue to crumble and we'll end up like Greece. And yes, they will decide - the corporations, the "small business," Wall Street and the lobbyists still have a stranglehold on the money that drives politics, even if they aren't a monolithic block.

If Warren Buffett and like-minded folks prevail, we'll be able to repair, rebuild or upgrade the infrastructure.

If Grover Norquist and like-minded folks prevail, better move to areas less prone to hurricanes, snowstorms, tornadoes, earthquakes and other large scale disasters.

Point taken and partially what I was trying to point out in my devious way.
 
 
-15 # KittatinyHawk 2012-12-03 11:03
Number One We were warned for ONE WEEK as to Sandy coming..where it would hit to the degree.
Second we were warned of tidal surges, waves, winds.
Third...no one prepared for it...Not an individual...Co asters and river dwellers were counting on Insurance obviously because they made NO Attempts to pack any item esp these Precious memories they now whine about while throwing out Plastic Furniture. Why I am confused since it is washable.

I am not sorry for those out coast and river dwellers, they had tine to make arrangements, pack and leave but no they did not. They ere different than Katrina. Yet for 4 years all we inlanders hear of River dwellers is flooding, no power. If we didnot have to supply electric to those demanding to live on coasts, rivers, in flood plains...we may not have near the residents without power for weeks.
The Out croppers should have to use alternative energy and be self sufficient.

I saw people on an island whose cars were parked under home...they did not make an attempt to move one vehicle No better to get New and poison the neighborhood with anti freeze etc Thanks glad you didn't line near me.

They were told to get out and somehow argued which zone they were in...who cares get out you will be flooded listen to news??

No they did not care about a week of news I get tri
 
 
-11 # KittatinyHawk 2012-12-03 11:19
No instead, they figured FEMA was going to Give them everything...Do esn't happen that way never has.

Businesses also didn't pack up, stop ordering because Journalists will make them Martyrs Sorry...lazines s, greed, stupidity is not going to get you any
award. You are no better than Government you elect....now you are on canoes without paddles. Good
Japan is only Disaster from Tsunami that could not get prepared, Katrina tooo fast Sandy built up for two weeks, last week, every meteorologist warned us...where were these people Probably sitting and waiting for handouts

Inland on islands is not the same as inland in Pa, Maryland. NYC didn't figure on subways or tunnels being flooded give me a break, always flooded with rains, hurricanes. DUH

My heart goes to those who thought TRed Hook, Flatbush would not be affected...I lived in Bay Ridge in 50's Hurricanes did affect us. I remember RI going thru two major Hurricanes of century.
My heart goes to neighborhoods who do to poverty were not able to prepare, I do not know how anyone decides who gets priority, Nr H but Slum Lords aren't going to make things better...never have, what is Bloomberg gonna do to them...he hasn't so far. Welfare can only do as much as they are.
FEMA Be glad we have it but remember Those that have never pay back. I paid two years ahead slumlords, business, lazy rich rip off In time of no employment hard for good guys to make payments
 
 
+3 # RLF 2012-12-04 05:09
Bloomberg only cares about making Manhattan safe for the rich and get all the other inconvenient people the hell out...subway them in to be servants. In coasters defense...the weather service has said we are in for the storm or cent. three or four times in the last fifteen years...and only this one was. No one believes scientists because there is so much junk science around these days.
 
 
-8 # KittatinyHawk 2012-12-03 11:35
Last ...Government never learns from their mistakes what else is new? Instead of bashing, what are you doing to change things Mr H? What have you done since Katrina except use words to bash.

I think you should do a real look at those in this catastrophe that allowed themselves to lose everything that could have prevented their valuables to be destroyed...I believe they left their boats out too. No piy party at all, because their whole family didnot live there. I feel sorry for those families that lived their for fover fifty years to make living to provide food for us not the have to impress family and friends esp who didnot have Insurance..Welf are Mooches.

My heart goes to seniors, poor in city buildings with no water and electric. They had lil to begin with, less now...

Mr H Please show us and Government other Countries' plans of action, show us all how to get more in less time. Show us any Country that is more prepared. Easy to preach from Dry Room or Office. Not so easy to live in elements.

The Government got involved within hours so we were better than last tine. Electric are shameful go after them.

We were not prepared for at min 80 billion dollars of damage. If a catastrophe happens tomorrow of another nature, that will be a new blueprint no disasters are same, so sorry doesn't fit on assembly line....You write like Nittens spoke.
 
 
+10 # Eliza D 2012-12-03 15:10
What are you talking about, Kitt H:"What are you doing to change things, Mr. H?" Mr. Hedges is a spectacular journalist and a much better wordsmith than you are. He is out (or did you fail to notice the first person observations?) in the trenches, braving contaminated water and raw sewage to interview real people and the devastation that the climate change exacerbated by Big Oil has wrought in the lives of innocent people. People who do NOT live in coastal areas prone to flooding. Mr. Hedges is providing readers with invaluable information so that those of us with a brain can plan our future and weigh our options. You claim that you are out making changes, but you seem to have an awful lot of time to post dozens of malevolent,hype rcritical messages on this site. Thank you Mr. Hedges for your courage in suing the government over NDAA and your tireless and thorough reporting.
 
 
-12 # KittatinyHawk 2012-12-03 11:46
FEMA does not come riding white horses nor do they have Magic Wands.

FEMA has full knowledge of what they can give. They meet with you, go over all information, taxes, earnings, insurance, claim. You then fill out application no different than bank.
Paperwork gets done...this was how many people in how many states...do not hsrp on NJ?NY more states are involved.

Within weeks you get noyification and right to appeal. FEMA is not set up to give Insured anything, can apply for loans. This was on news and is on website.

Want to break our hearts...get way to help businesses that had to layoff people during/because of disasters!

Want to help go after slum lords amd Government Agencies who allow them to keep people in bad living conditios..But Stop Bashing unless you have something, a framework to offer.

You go save the slobs who waited for the storm and are now whining I have no time for these slobs, they arelways skimming surfaces and looking out fir themselves. Time they learn what homeless means What doing things for one self is They didn't have insurance
guess you need to talk about loan like rest of us from Katrina. BP etc Then get insurance like the rest of us
 
 
+6 # reiverpacific 2012-12-03 19:21
Quoting KittatinyHawk:
FEMA does not come riding white horses nor do they have Magic Wands.

FEMA has full knowledge of what they can give. They meet with you, go over all information, taxes, earnings, insurance, claim. You then fill out application no different than bank.
Paperwork gets done...this was how many people in how many states...do not hsrp on NJ?NY more states are involved.

Within weeks you get noyification and right to appeal. FEMA is not set up to give Insured anything, can apply for loans. This was on news and is on website.

Want to break our hearts...get way to help businesses that had to layoff people during/because of disasters!

Want to help go after slum lords amd Government Agencies who allow them to keep people in bad living conditios..But Stop Bashing unless you have something, a framework to offer.

You go save the slobs who waited for the storm and are now whining I have no time for these slobs, they arelways skimming surfaces and looking out fir themselves. Time they learn what homeless means What doing things for one self is They didn't have insurance
guess you need to talk about loan like rest of us from Katrina. BP etc Then get insurance like the rest of us

In English and rational syntax please; you are very hard on a person's reading skills.
 
 
+2 # RLF 2012-12-04 05:10
FEMA will make GE whole!
 
 
+3 # mdhome 2012-12-03 22:15
You will have to raise taxes and fund FEMA with more money, so they can hire more people and get to every one faster, the present manpower is doing all they can. Bottom line you get what you pay for, when nobody wants to fund FEMA, and you get poor service when your turn comes. Of course nobody thinks they will be the ones needing the service, until they get hit.
 

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