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Frank Rich writes: "It is that America - the country where rampaging greed usurped the common good in wartime, the country that crashed just as Bush fled the White House - that we live in today. It has little or no resemblance to the generous and heroic America we glimpsed on 9/11 and the days that followed. Our economy and our politics are broken."

Mid-September 2001. (photo: Peter Funch)
Mid-September 2001. (photo: Peter Funch)

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-11 # Capn Canard 2011-08-30 08:36
Mr Rich, the TERRORISTS WON: no contest. This level of psychotic denial is beyond disturbing, it is insane. I implore you: please seek professional help.
 
 
+16 # Doctoretty 2011-08-30 10:00
What are your qualifications to judge "insanity" and to evaluate the need for professional help? Perhaps you lack the depth of understanding for follow Frank Rich's brilliant analysis.
 
 
+42 # GeeRob 2011-08-30 10:21
Perhaps Mr. Rich didn't come up with the term "The terrorists lost" in an otherwise brilliant article. But I agree, the terrorists won. We have taken our most valuable resource, our young, and sent them to fight wars that are impossible to win. We cannot put a price tag on the lives lost and lives destroyed. But the trillions we've spent and borrowed is coming due and our country is already paying the cost.
I just wish Frank Rich had added our home-grown terrorists to the mix, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and every member of the now defunct Project for a New American Century.
 
 
+7 # wrodwell 2011-08-30 14:32
Dear Capn Canard:
Of course you're right. If anything, Frank Rich's entire article is the best argument yet about how and why the terrorists won. I can't fathom why the writer himself doesn't see that.
 
 
+32 # fredboy 2011-08-30 09:09
A masterful view of our destruction.
 
 
+32 # Isar 2011-08-30 09:53
Yes, the Terrorists won, and until we get our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, they are still winning. Osama Bin Laden was a very rich man, and his goal was to "bring us down" economically. Hasn't he done that? We are still spending Billions of dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have just been hit by a Hurricane that did several Billions of dollars damage, but we will continue to spend that money in a tribal country who will NEVER become a clone of the United States. Have the Terrorists won??? OF COURSE they have won....and are still winning. When Dubya said, "Bring 'em on"...he challenged the Terrorists, and they are still "bringing it on"...We live in a new world now, and those who hate us will continue to attack us, if not with bombs and planes, then with the means to destroying our economy. We need new ideas, new tactics, and new politics to deal with our position in the world. To ignore our present position is to fiddle while Rome burns.
 
 
+1 # shagar 2011-08-31 23:02
[quote name="Isar"]Yes, the Terrorists won.. and those who hate us will continue to attack us, if not with bombs and planes, then with the means to destroying our economy.

IN the context of the article, you would no doubt be referring to all the "gentlemen terrorists", from Hank Paulson, thru Timothy Geithner, and onward through the myriad chiefs and war lords of banks and hedgefunds? There is no attack on the economy from without, there is only America's own attack on its own economy by banks and corporations whose primary goal is to destroy the economy so that it can be rebuilt to better suit their needs. That is the definition of what they did to Greece and Argentina and countless other basketcase IMF "salvage jobs" and that is exactly what they are attempting to do in America. America's position in the world? from top dog to just plain "doggie"... in ten short years. Who won? come now.
 
 
+7 # Activista 2011-08-30 10:17
complex but valid analysis -
"The terrorists lost. But who won?" - who won? US militarism and AIPAC induced US foreign politics. Libya fits in the pattern. And now to liberate Syria and Iran and put whole Palestine behind the barb wire (wall could be completed by now - 3 billion + billions more donations from US "friends")
 
 
+26 # calpoet 2011-08-30 10:32
The whole idea of "winning" and "losing" when people are being killed by either terrorists or armed forces every day is really outmoded. Humanity loses whenever there is a failure of imagination to avert killing as a solution to differences between peoples. Over 6000 Americans have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, close to twice the number killed on 9/11 so if you use a body count to determine winning and losing (as we did in Vietnam then clearly the terrorists won. But when you think of the vast destruction 9/11 provoked throughout the Middle East, there are no winners in this huge pile of corpses.
 
 
+23 # Glen 2011-08-30 10:45
Nobody won. Everybody loses. Winning is for the delusional, unwilling to recognize death and destruction.

No terrorist group made the decisions the U.S. government has engaged in or forced it on the government from without. The U.S. agenda was already set and the scenario for garnering hate for the U.S. already in motion

Kruschev said that there was no need for the USSR to attack the U.S., that they would rot from within. He was right, but too bad the U.S. is taking a lot of decent people and countries down with them.
 
 
+27 # Tee 2011-08-30 11:15
The winners are war profiteers like Chaney's Hallerburton, Israel, and the neocons in the bush administration.

I would also put the American people as big losers. We 3,000 in the attack on 911, we have lost most of our rights, we have to pay for the war profiteering, and our economy is in the mud.
 
 
+28 # DaveM 2011-08-30 11:18
Those who wanted to control the lives of the American people won. What a terror attack started, action by the American government continues. The "Red Menace" may have created the military industrial complex, but the "War On Terror" impacts the lives of every American who wishes to travel, work in certain fields, or just plain mind their own business. There have been laws similar to the "Patriot Act" before (see the "Palmer Raids" and Nixon's COINTELPRO), but these were short-lived and narrow in scope. The "Patriot Act" touches the lives of every American and threatens to give each of us a good shove as we slouch toward a police state. Meanwhile, "the terrorists" seem to have all but vanished from the scene, their work done.
 
 
0 # Glen 2011-08-30 12:07
Correct. As I say: everybody loses.
 
 
+6 # amye 2011-08-30 13:03
Did the terrorists really lose?? I think they won! They being the super rich in this country and world. They being the most powerful in this country and world. Those are the real terrorists and they've won all the money and power in this country and the world! We've lost! We being the middle class Americans and those like us in other countries in the world. We being the poor who are with us in more numbers than ever in our country and the world! We are the ones who have lost! We've lost our families and friends to unending wars, our jobs with decent pay and benefits; we've lost our homes, lost our health insurance and lost our retirement and security in old age! We've lost the education of our children, and our beautiful life sustaining environment! We've lost more than I can account for to the richest, most powerful and horribly greedy in the world! Thats who has lost and won in my book!
 
 
+8 # jayvee 2011-08-30 13:23
Mr Rich, sorry. The terrorists -- whoever they are and whereever they are if al all -- won DECISIVELY. Just one carton of box-cutters has ruined US life evermore. Forever, we can never again enter government buildings, airports, or planes without searches and stripping. Forever, we will live with the excesses of the Patroit Act where all citizens of Middle East ancestry are regarded with suspicion. Never again will the 'good life' be possible for the majority as the pace of wealth transfer to the top 1 or 2% will rapidly increase over time. The US of the last decade, even with all its flaws, is gone forever. With thanks to so-called, mostly made-up and imagined 'terrorists.'
 
 
+10 # angelfish 2011-08-30 13:56
As Pogo so aptly put it so many years ago, "We have met the enemy, and he is US"! Dissatisfied Americans, once again, shot themselves in the foot by electing these Pretend "grass roots" Tea Partiers to Congress. What they ARE, is Hard Right-Wing Nut Job Fascists who signed Pledges to Grover Norquist vowing NOT to raise Taxes on the Mega-Wealthy, John Q. Public, however, is fair game! Their stated goal was and is to see this President Fail. He has helped them in that endeavor. They're Hell bent on destroying what's left of the fabric of America by any and all means possible! The unraveling began with Nixon, intensified under Reagan and just about did us IN with the "shrub" (Thank You, Mollie Ivins!) They abhor ANYONE with intellect or an Education and delight in the ignorance of their candidates, most of whom are Religious zealots akin to Al Queda and the Taliban. Their vitriolic attacks on everyone who disagrees with them borders on Pathological! There are few winners in this sorry scenario, John Q. Public taking the biggest hit, as usual! The Fascists will be clipping coupons into the next Century!
 
 
+10 # wrodwell 2011-08-30 14:15
Congratulations on a very fine article, Mr. Rich. However, I was puzzled by your closing argument. You write: "Thanks to the killing of the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks and the scattering of Al Queda, at least no one can say, 10 years later, that the terrorists have won." Oh, yeah? Frankly Frank, after reading your article describing post 9/11 greed, corruption, corporate de-regulation, lies, deceptions, the looting of the country and the decline of America etc., I would never have guessed that the terrorists "lost". Au contraire. The thrust of your entire depressing, but true article, is probably the best analysis yet confirming that the terrorists have indeed "won" - and in spades. It's the flooding after the storm that has done the real damage.
 
 
+7 # Byronator 2011-08-30 20:06
Quite possible Frank Rich was being ironic, eh? Among our many cultural losses in this country is the capacity for subtlety.
 
 
+1 # shagar 2011-08-31 23:08
touche, byronator
 
 
+6 # Kootenay Coyote 2011-08-30 14:31
If they didn’t win, Pentagon & Arms Merchants at least did damn well.
 
 
+2 # God Dont Like Ugly 2011-08-30 16:37
Osama achieved exactly what he asid he wanted to do long before he was assassinated by SEAL Team Six. The terrorists did, indeed, win Mr Rich.
 
 
+3 # bonnie@opposetorture.org 2011-08-30 17:10
we gave up our democracy - that was our "shared sacrifice"
 
 
+3 # reiverpacific 2011-08-30 18:37
Again I quote (source forgotten) "If 9-11 hadn't happened, the Bush Admin' (If you can call it that -my words here) would have had to invent it".
Bush-the-twit's ratings were about as high as a snake's belly and his "Shadow - Chancellor", Cheyney, was deeply unpopular, even with conservatives of the traditional type. And their reaction to the disaster was so totally predictable that even a complete moron could have forseen the resultant backlash against the American people, almost tantamount to martial law and the "You're either for us or against us" mentality.
It was a big "Duh!" -Even from a cave in some Pakistani or Afghani mountain with a communication network worldwide.
And THAT'S the danger of the reactionary right in all it's well-worn and O'-so belligerent manifestations.
I'm sure that, in it's bent and convoluted but still-predictable way, the ol' Heart-attack-waitin'-to-happen's book will illustrate, from his castrated, fear-of-being-Pinochet'ed defiant stance.
 
 
+4 # stonecutter 2011-08-31 10:22
I can't second-guess Frank Rich, but I'd venture a lot of comments here are missing the acute irony in his question about "who won what"?

Sure, we got OBL, Al Qaeda is diminished, and the professional shadows of our limitless War on Terror can claim a technical victory. But Rich's whole article is a repudiation of any superficial claim to victory by "us" against "them".

It's a trenchant and disturbing chronicle of how we allowed the palpable unity of purpose we felt right after 9/11--the uplifting "oneness" that must have gripped most Americans after Pearl Harbor--to slip through our fingers, to decompose, through mass distraction, denial and head-up-your-ass stupidity, into the present moral, political and economic mess we barely discern before us.

We bought Bush's Grand Canard that 2 wars didn't require shared sacrifice; the single most compelling point in the piece. "The magic credit card"...a new slogan for buying needless shit! No draft, no new taxes, no hassles, no limits, aahh, "Pleasantville"! To Hell with reality; everyone's a victim. We bought all of it; We got the rigged government we deserved. No harm, no responsibility, no limits, no regulation, no awareness, no accountability, no job, no house, no savings, no hope, no point.

Top-down cynicism and greed meets bottom-up fecklessness and greed. The GOP's America.
 
 
+2 # janiamac 2011-08-31 11:14
Appreciated your article Frank Rich. But from Europe the question will always be- what happened a decade ago. Why wasn't there more anti Iraq war protest in America? How were so many intelligent people made so blind? Why did the States so arragantly elbow out the UN security council's authority?
 
 
+2 # socrates2 2011-09-01 16:13
Many years ago I read the McCollum (eight action) memo. After that, nothing about these "unexpected" attacks surprises me...
In this day and "age" of asymmetrical warfare, can you spell, p-r-o-v-o-c-a-t-i-o-n?
We're all adults in this room, although our "fearless leaders" believe otherwise.
 
 
+1 # wipster 2011-09-01 17:00
"Thanks to the killing of the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks"... Well, I wouldn't go that far. Even though he no longer has a heart, he is still living (if you can call it that) and just recently wrote a book about his heroic actions on that day and the days following... and he wouldn't change a thing.

I'll tell ya, it's a good thing we all don't live near the Grand Canyon, because we the American public have sure shown ourselves to be Lemmings over the last decade... perhaps the better analogy is the frog in the slowly boiling water... and now we're gona put everyoe back to work by giving the rich even bigger tax breaks... WAKE UP People! Before it's really too late...
 

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