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The United States has paid dearly in blood and money for Bush's voluntary war in Iraq. But it's a mere pittance compared to what the Iraqis have been forced to pay.

Civilian deaths in Haditha, Iraq. (photo: Lucian Read/WorldPictureNetwork)
Civilian deaths in Haditha, Iraq. (photo: Lucian Read/WorldPictureNetwork)

 

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+4 # Allan Taylor 2010-03-15 09:13
You have [put your finger on the single most important issue in this whole sordid affair. The United States will never be able to atone enough for this heinous crime, and it will never live down the shame bred of ignorance and arrogance.
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+5 # Bloomy 2010-03-15 12:51
Allan you said IT. 100,000 yea right! That is how many died on "Shock and AW" night. I would add another zero to get 1,000,000 dead as a country with over 5,000,000 moving else where. Costs OMG what a price for an unjust war in a country that did not warrant it. Then add the US's cost of dead, maimed, mental problems and $100s of billions added to the National Debt. Let us not forget Afghanistan and what we did and did not do there. Starting with letting ObL get away, installing a corrupt and inept government and getting the blow back after years of us arming the Teliban during the USSR war. I hang my head in shame. As this country should.
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-11 # lee nason 2010-03-15 10:39
While no one can condone the deaths of 100,000 or more Iraqi civilians during our invasion, one must note for context that Saddam Hussein was murdering his own people at an alarming rate. In one three year period of the al-Anfal campaign against the Kurds, he slaughtered 182,000 people. He also was responsible for the mass starvation of perhaps 100,000 civilians in the Shiite southern marshlands, the war deaths in his Kuwaiti and Iranian expeditions, as well as numerous and unnumbered smaller massacres against fractious internal opponents.

Our invasion at least had the beneficial outcome of removing this murderous dictator from power. We will never know whether Hussein would have killed more or fewer people than we did during the last half dozen years but at least we know that neither we nor Hussein will be killing Iraqi civilians like this in the coming years.

I never supported the invasion but some good did come of it.

Lee Nason
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+3 # Thea 2010-03-15 12:47
considering that Saddam was 'our guy' when the CIA helped put in the Ba'athist party in '57, with Saddam then a junior officer, who led a coup against his commander later; that Bush 1 supported Saddam in the Iraq/Iran war-giving him nerve gas; and that April Gillespie, US ambassador to Iraq, said 'go ahead' when Saddam wanted to invade Kuwait because they were horizontally drilling into Iraq's oil fields (the two countries 'created' out of tribal groupings by British post-WWI)-and then, of course going to war in Gulf war I-it seems like we have had the most evil influence on Iraq for 50 years-I don't see how any of that can be counted good!~
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+3 # Thea 2010-03-15 13:02
Re: the abortion proviso in the new health care bill: all aid to single mothers has been pretty much cut to the bone, TANF which replaced the old welfare covers only 5 years and women are still expected to work full time jobs as well as care for their children, wages are down, housing is up, child care is very expensive or non-existent; the greatest growth in the homeless population is poor women and children/families; birth control, unlike Viagra is not subsidized by insurance and children are taught 'abstinence only' instead of getting real information and -heavens!-any access to birth control; the USA has the highest teen-pregnancy rates in the developed world.
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+7 # Daniel Fletcher 2010-03-15 11:00
Is Iraq better off now than it was before our criminal invasion? Are we better off for having undertaken this abomination? Is the world a safer place for democracy given our extraordinarily undemocratic behavior?
For all of the dead because of us, who will never be better off and for those living who will never forget what was done to them whether they wanted it or not, one just has to wonder if we are capable of shame.
That we were victimized on 911 no longer impresses the world and never will. We have visited so much worse on so many innocent people that we have squandered our moral credibility, probably forever. If we had intended to permanently destroy any semblance of moral authority could we have done any better than this?
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+2 # Jeanne 2010-03-15 11:40
If Mr. Corn and his fellow journalists had not been, for the last 8 1/2 years, gatekeepers of the politically correct government conspiracy theory of 9/11, the invasion and occupation of Iraq might never have occurred.

After the 9/11 Commission Report was published, Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton said "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft" of history.

Why, then, is any questioning of the official story quickly shut down and the questioner branded a "nutjob", when even the co-chair and the other members of the panel knew the report was seriously flawed? I suppose because what Hamilton said is just another fact that has disappeared down the rabbit hole of "journalism" in America today.
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+2 # Briar 2010-03-15 11:45
Saddam's worst crimes were those he committed under licence from us: his war on Iran (which ironically the US would still back). His other crimes were of course heinous, but his death toll pales into near insignificance when compared with the tally racked up as a consequence of sanctions imposed by the west when he no longer ranked as someone we could do business with. Many of those deaths were children. Madeleine Albright thought them a price worth paying. Then came our illegal invasion and occupation, an invasion and occupation that not only killed a million or more Iraqis and displaced another four million, but one that denied iraqis their right to remove Saddam himself and choose his successor according to their interests and not ours. So, no, we can never know what Saddam would have done (or what would have been done to him) had we not imposed our interests so lethally - but we know it could not have been worse than our criminal intrusion in another state's affairs.
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+2 # lisa daitch 2010-03-15 12:33
to lee nason: so, now we are basically no better than Husssein, right? there's a guy with whom we have always wanted to be compared .... sigh! the other thing that we have to remember is that these people ARE going to remember who killed their loved ones ... talk about "creating terrorists" ...
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+1 # Arnie 2010-03-16 07:51
Don't you think this is what the Government wanted. If we don't have someone to fear how can this corrupt government functions. Once Russia was no longer in the picture who could we used to strike fear into the hearts of people so easily lead. Focus their short memories to the one thing that will always hold their attention. FEAR Fear fear and more fear!! Who has to govern if the people are so focused on fearing their on shadow. Instead we all need to focus NOT on FEAR but how to elect the right politician. One that has compassion, good morels and can put the country and others before himself. Oh and one more thing DO NOT elect anyone that is paranoid. How can you possible do anything if your always looking over your shoulder or thinking the snake is in the wood pile.. I know it is not an easy way to live and for that do we really need them in our government. They would be better served if they could live on a 1000 acre farm somewhere.
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+2 # Deborah Lyons 2010-03-15 12:58
Very true, but why are you low-balling the Iraqi death figures by so much? The JHU study's disputed figure of one million may have been too high, but that was a number of years ago. It's way too late to be talking of tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands is more like it. And your figures for exile are also too low.
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+4 # Suzy T. Kane 2010-03-15 13:35
You are to be commended for even noticing the suffering of the Iraqi people in this illegal war. However, the statistics are even worse than you say. According to Global Policy Forum (and other reliable sources), 1.9 million Iraqis have been internally displaced and 2.2 million have fled the country--that's four million Iraqis right there or 1/7th of Iraq's population. Extrapolating on Johns Hopkins U.'s Bloomberg School of Public Health studies on Iraq mortality, over a million Iraqis have died as a result of this war.
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+1 # Jim R 2010-03-15 18:05
David, did you ever see the infrared satellite images of Baghdad showing entire neighborhoods (primarily Sunni) had been emptied by the time of the "surge"?

Right about the time the Bushies were pushing the meme that the reduced violence was due to the surge these satellite images showed the ethnic cleansing was already largely complete.

Add the fact that the "Sunni Awakening" was already well underway and that Cheney/Bush had earlier rejected any such compromise, one can well see why this can of worms on Iraqi casualties will stay closed (in the U.S.).
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+1 # Pat Williams 2010-03-15 21:47
I believe that the best estimate of Iraqi deaths set in motion by the US invasion and war is over 1.3 million. This in a nation of about 26 million in March 2003. The State of California has a population in the area of 37 million. Ever seen the photos of the destruction of Fallujah in 2004? That holy, ancient city of more than 200,000 souls was turned into a bombed-out ghost town with so many dead, there was no place to put many of over 6,000 bodies. I recall an article about a family the soldiers marveled at having survived. But huge areas smashed flat surely held more remains. Snipers picked off families trying to escape in the river.
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+1 # Arnie 2010-03-16 08:02
We can debate the number of dead until eternity. What we should debate and hopefully come up with some kind of solution as to keeping this from happening again. By the time we figure that out we will have forgotten the dead and find ourselves in some other part of the world pressing our values or lack there of on others.
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+1 # Vin 2010-03-16 21:40
The people who own and run amerika are sick. It's probably way too late to stop this machine...
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+1 # buffalo bill 2010-03-17 09:24
Thanks to David Corn for this piece. Though his civilian casualties are very low. If we were all operating logically, and rationally, i.e. ready to live in an evidence based reality, there would be no more debate on the numbers of Iraqi civilians killed. It has been measured w. sci. rigor several times by experts who work in war zones(1 million plus). However, "truth" today in the US is what anyone says it is. Evidence be damned. Polticians and pundits cherry pick what they want from the trove of evidence and spin that to meet/fit their world view..
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