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Zengerle writes: "As anti-tax dogma dogma is now threatening to crack during the negotiations over the fiscal cliff, he’s using it to claim the spotlight again."

Grover Norquist is the founder of Americans for Tax Reform. (photo: JIM WATSON/AFP/Getty Images)
Grover Norquist is the founder of Americans for Tax Reform. (photo: JIM WATSON/AFP/Getty Images)

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+31 # fredboy 2012-12-02 08:39
First, it is appalling that anyone has ever listened to this little man. Appalling. Second, it is appalling that greed and selfishness take precedence over national need. We dug the hole together, thus we should pay additional taxes to get out of the hole. Pretty simple, really. But Americans are collectively hellbent on refusing to take responsibility and thus most likely to continue kicking their own collective asses. Economics 00000001: pay your way.
 
 
+25 # Barbara K 2012-12-02 13:16
fredboy: How about this: We throw Grover Norquist over the cliff and save ourselves.
 
 
+15 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2012-12-02 17:21
Quoting fredboy:
First, it is appalling that anyone has ever listened to this little man. Appalling. Second, it is appalling that greed and selfishness take precedence over national need. We dug the hole together, thus we should pay additional taxes to get out of the hole. Pretty simple, really. But Americans are collectively hellbent on refusing to take responsibility and thus most likely to continue kicking their own collective asses. Economics 00000001: pay your way.

Quoting Barbara K:
fredboy: How about this: We throw Grover Norquist over the cliff and save ourselves.

And don't forget Boehner, Cantor, "Turtle" McConnell, and "Crazy" Cornyn (whatever his name is)...send Issa with 'em while we're at it!
 
 
+5 # robniel 2012-12-03 08:00
Quoting TrueAmericanPatriot:
[quote name="fredboy"]And don't forget Boehner, Cantor, "Turtle" McConnell, and "Crazy" Cornyn (whatever his name is)...send Issa with 'em while we're at it!


In his district Cornyn is known as "Big Head Cornyn". He's always on camera behind someone when they send in the clowns.
 
 
+8 # X Dane 2012-12-02 20:30
Barbara.

That's my favorite dream, He is not going quietly, but it looks as if more and more of his "hostages" are defecting.
It will be interesting to see if this little creep, will be able to take revenge in 2014, and oust some of the defectors.
I hope not.
 
 
+5 # Cassandra2012 2012-12-03 15:09
Norquist is a crypto-fascist dictator-wannab e.
Those Tea-publicans who kissed his ring like lackeys put party above country -- if not outright treasonous, still morally bankrupt!
 
 
+14 # rblee 2012-12-02 10:24
Grover is the poster child for anal-retentive toilet training rebellion--a true "poopy head".
 
 
+10 # Old Man 2012-12-02 10:55
This "Dimwit" is looking for the spot light?
 
 
+31 # kelly 2012-12-02 11:03
Ever since a few republican began trickling away from the pledge, I've been watching news channels grabbing chances to speak to Norquist. All this time he's been more than happy to claim the spotlight and be at the helm for the reason for signing. Now, at the first signal of abandonment, he says they signed strictly for their constuents and not him. It was him. And his money. And the powers that hired him. Lobbyists don't just hire a piece of paper, they hire a grover Norquist and when people start to walk away from a pledge like his it's his brand that sinks with the product nothing else.
I watched him squirm and emptily toss out unveiled threats of elections to be lost by Congressmen who dared to break the pledge. And for all the manipulation you discussed, I still saw a scared guy. I saw the bully on the playground who finally had his bluff called. He's toast.
 
 
+10 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-12-02 14:08
Grover by himself is not powerful. The reward money that he has in his pocket is. Grover's position tho is powerful, "If you sign, this is your payback. If you break your pledge or do not sign, this is your "payback."
 
 
+9 # kelly 2012-12-02 15:31
Yes, I know. But after so many years of hearing about his own myth...a good deal of which was perpetrated by the media, he was obviously blind-sided by the fact that he might be vulnerable, not venerable.
It's not quite a "new" day out there but maybe he and his buds will realize that revamping a message to appease demographics isn't going to be enough, they will actually have to make a concerted effort to change the party's mindset.
 
 
+16 # tswhiskers 2012-12-02 11:26
How any politician in 1986 could have been stupid enough to sign a pledge to oppose raising taxes is beyond me. Granted that the GOP constituency, big business and big wealth have always hated taxes, they had to know that the economic good of the country would require higher taxes at some point. But some time Reagan Admin. or before, the interests of the wealthy got the upper hand over common sense. It didn't become very noticeable, except for the "trickle-down" fairy tale, until Gingrich and other Reps. became increasingly hard-line conservative in the '90's. I put the growing conservativism of Reps. down to the laziness of the American public, too immersed in their own lives and increasing greed to pay attention to the growing changes in political rhetoric and ideas of the Reps. Even the impeachment of Bill Clinton didn't ring the alarm bells it should have, either with the media or the public. Now some Reps. want to impeach Obama; instead of the rare unthinkable option it has historically been, it now seems the default institution they think they can use to get rid of any political nuisance. It seems until the Reps. admit in public that their platform of catering to the rich is no longer popular with most Americans that we will have 1 party of mediocre politicians and 1 party of spoiled babies and juveniles.
 
 
+16 # Barbara K 2012-12-02 12:52
Get rid of this irrelevant piece of trash so our government can function again. It boggles the mind how the Republibaggers bow to this nonsense sewer dweller in the first place. He is nothing, absolutely nothing. Not elected to anything and yet the Rs fear him? Are they that wimpy?
 
 
+6 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2012-12-02 17:22
Quoting Barbara K:
Get rid of this irrelevant piece of trash so our government can function again. It boggles the mind how the Republibaggers bow to this nonsense sewer dweller in the first place. He is nothing, absolutely nothing. Not elected to anything and yet the Rs fear him? Are they that wimpy?

Yes.
 
 
+20 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-12-02 13:54
Recently, Grover was a guest on the Bill Maher show. Bill greeted Grover then shortly thereafter said, "so you're the man who destroyed America." If you watched the show, you would know by the look on Grover's face that what Bill said was a slam dunk.
 
 
+6 # X Dane 2012-12-02 21:03
Eldon J Bloedorn.

I saw that show too and I loved to see that little creep put in his place.... Not enough people have the guts to tell him to his face....But more are getting courage. The dam is breaking, and I hope before long it will totally crumble.
 
 
+3 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-12-04 13:42
X Dane
I like Bill Maher. He describes himself as a "Social" Libertarian. Glad you viewed his program. This is where I like to access most of my news. His program presents Conservative and Liberal ideas. From then on, it is pretty much lying or logic. When the liars come on the panel, there are some "wet chairs" to be cleaned up after the program. Bill's famous comment, "I hear what you say but when I check out what you say after the program, what you say is usually bullshxx."
 
 
+7 # cordleycoit 2012-12-02 15:00
What I want see is spanking the rethugs get when the collapse the markets in blind rage.
 
 
+5 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2012-12-02 17:23
Quoting cordleycoit:
What I want see is spanking the rethugs get when the collapse the markets in blind rage.

PASS ME A HARDWOOD, UNBREAKABLE PADDLE!!
 
 
+2 # sapereaudeprime 2012-12-02 18:26
Far be it from me to encourage murder, but if someone cut Norquist into thin strips and fried him in his own fat, I'd be happy to contribute to the legal defense fund.
 
 
+6 # RMDC 2012-12-03 03:38
It is not really hard at all to herd the media. They pretty much follow the money. Grover was one of the triumvirate which included Jack Abramoff. He's got a pile of money to spread around. Abramoff took the fall and went to prison for his bribery but Grover was never touched.

Most of the mass media in the US is owned by a very few mega-corporatio ns. Reporters who work for them know what they need to do to keep their jobs. They know that the agenda of big business is the agenda of all america. They report on the things that make their bosses happy. The elites in america want low taxes for the rich and high taxes for the poor. That's how the mass media sees it.
 
 
+3 # giraffee2012 2012-12-03 06:19
http://rsnorg.org/opinion2/279-82/14797-focus-the-pirates-behind-the-campaign-to-fix-the-debt

An article worth reading as the discussion in the "media" goes over the cliff.

The comments are also good to read.
 
 
+3 # dovelane1 2012-12-03 14:59
There was also a recent article on RSN about the global corporate mindset, and one about the Trans Pacific Partnership, in which the idea was put forward that the corporations don't need to include America and taxes in their plans as much as they used to.

Forinstance, one article a while back mentioned that Pepsi now sells more product overseas than in the U.S.

Add that to the article about how little the corporations DO pay, along with how large THEIR entitlements are, then add Norquist's tax pledge to the mix.

And don't forget Bush the dumber who borrowed the money to pay for two wars, with all the Repubulicans supporting him, Ryan included. And here we are.

There was a line in the movie "Animal House" that I'm reminded of. It came after those in power in the frat borrowed a pleges car and totaled it. The comment was "You blew it. Youtursted us."

Well, the American public blew it. We trusted our politicians. Silly us.

America used to be exceptional until the Repubs and Norquist got control. It's been downhill ever since.
 
 
+4 # Rich Austin 2012-12-03 21:44
Norquist has never put in an honest day's labor in his entire splot on Earth. Why some poor, misguided working class folks even listen to him is one of life's mysteries. The upper 2% have nothing to teach us about hard work. We, however, need to teach them plenty about ethics, morality, and decency. Alas, they won't listen until we hit them where it hurts...in their wallets!
 
 
+4 # LisaF 2012-12-04 07:02
Grover does herd reporters. I heard Mr Norquist on the Diane Rehm show yesterday and it infuriated me that no one ever mentions his money laundering behavior with convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Plus his schtick of "the Bush middle class tax cuts were a success because everyone wants to keep them" goes unchecked. No Grover, the middle class tax breaks are necessary due to flat wages, benefits and more debt that the middle class has been burdened with since the Reagan revolution that transferred most of the wealth to the top.

The goal should be to increase wages for the working and middle class to increase taxes to the Federal government and reduce the aid that the federal government gives to workers of low paying jobs. The wealthy and corporations must play a significant role in reducing the deficit! And please let the CEO's go all John Galt on us. Bye Bye. We can find many others with vision and products that want to invest in America and Americans.
 
 
+2 # grandone@charter.net 2012-12-05 21:06
Mr. Norquist holds no office of government authority. He has not been elected nor appointed to a position of power. He has a bunch of scared members of congress sign what he calls a pledge not to raise taxes. Grover, you are nobody. Go away!
 

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